SID: So Dr. Brian Simmons has this vision of a TV screen and he sees a dead baby coming back to life. He’s in India, 10,000 people. What happens?

BRIAN: I took 20 people from our church. We went to preach the Gospel, to do works of charity and blessing in orphanages. And the one night, we had a large crowd. And as I was speaking from Luke 5, Jesus’ power to heal, that there is no sickness, no disease that Jesus Christ could not heal, over on the left side of my vision I saw a television screen open up, and I knew that whatever I was to see I was to tell the vision. I saw it on a television. And what I saw was a mother carrying, weeping, carrying a dead baby. And I just, before I could think about it, I had just spoken out. I said, “There’s a woman that’s coming to the meeting tonight. You have come carrying a dead child. God wants to raise your baby from the dead. If you will come forward right now, God is going to raise your child from the dead.” And my team behind me, 20 of our people from our church, great mighty faith-filled people, they screamed out. I heard them behind me saying, “No Pastor Brian, oh no!”

SID: What’s the probability of someone bringing a dead baby to a meeting? Okay. Go ahead.

BRIAN: And I’m sure they were, what if it doesn’t come back to life? What’s going to happen to our whole thing. And so you heard the scream back in the crowd, and a mother made her way. This precious woman had walked all day through the heat from one village far away, by foot. She came, just as I spoke that vision, she had just come to the outer fringe of the meeting and heard that come out of the loud speaker. She screamed and said, “This is for me!” And so she brought the child down to me, and I had never took Raising the Dead 101 course in Bible college.

SID: I’m sure.

BRIAN: Matter of fact, I don’t think they even believed in that in the Bible college I was at. But I didn’t know what to do. But I said, “Give me the baby.” And I knew I couldn’t like lay on it seven times or like the prophet did. I asked the Lord, “What do you want me to do?” He said, “Take the child.” I took the child. I laid that baby on a table much like this and as soon as my hand hit the table and the baby’s head was in my hand, it was like a lightning bolt came and that child didn’t get up, it jumped up. It just jumped right into the arms of his mother. The mother then made arrangements for transportation for her back to her village. She came late at night into the village bringing the baby that was alive. You see, he had drowned in a drainage ditch that morning and the mother brought him all the way to our crusade, to our meetings there. And now they see this child alive coming back into the village. A church was birthed because of that resurrection. And the pastor, guess who the pastors of the church are now?

SID: The parents obviously.

BRIAN: The mother who saw that resurrection and her dear husband, they are pastoring a church of well over a thousand people south of Madurai, India because of that miracle.

SID: Okay. 2009, Brian Simmons gets a new assignment. What happened?

BRIAN: Jesus Christ came into my room. He breathed on me and he commissioned me.

SID: When he breathed on you, I have to ask you this, what did it feel like?

BRIAN: It felt like a kiss from Heaven. It felt like Heaven’s wind. The rock, the breath, the wind of God came upon me. And he spoke to me and said, “I’m commissioning you to translate the Bible into the translation project that I’m giving you to do.” And he promised that he would help me, and he promised me that he would give me secrets of the Hebrew language.

SID: Do you believe that when he blew on you it was an impartation for revelation?

BRIAN: I do. I believe the spirit of revelation was given. And I have to say, when he breathed on me in no way would I want to compare that to the writers of the New Testament, the original writers, you know, Moses and the Torah, and Ezekiel. He breathed on me so that I would do the project, and I felt downloads coming, instantly. I received downloads. It was like, I got a chip put inside of me. I got a connection inside of me to hear him better, to understand the scriptures better and hopefully to translate.

SID: Are you finding that when people read the translation you’re working on that it almost does a mind bypass and goes directly into the heart?

BRIAN: I think that’s a brilliant way to say it. The poetic language of Hebrew and Aramaic released something inside of us. It’s Divine. It is full of revelation. There’s flavor. It’s not, it’s like thinking with your heart. It’s like heart level to heart level, spirit to spirit, deep calling out toeep.

SID: Passion is the operative word. This translation will give you that passion back. When welcome back, I’m going to talk, as a matter of fact, Brian told me that he had a word. I believe it’s going to release some miracles. Also, I got to find out about that library. Are you interested? I know you are. Are you?

SID: Sid Roth here with Pastor Benny Hinn. Benny, I can just picture myself there because I was at a meeting, many meetings with her. And I, but I can picture you. I really can. What did she say that really affected you next?

PASTOR BENNY: Well what happened in the service, which I’m told by her staff had never happened prior or after, Miss Kuhlman began to weep, like audibly weep, sobbing. And she, her head went down like this on the pulpit and she began to cry. The whole audience just was stunned by that. And then she lifted her head up, and I will never forget the look on her face. Her face was reddish, her eyes are glazed and she pointed with such power to the audience and began to plead, and I mean plead, like beg, “Please do not grieve the Holy Spirit.” Well I never heard such a request from anyone, especially saying it with that kind of emotion. But it was so, it came from her depth. And then as she went on to talk, she said, “Don’t you know He’s all I have. Please do not grieve Him, do not wound Him.” And I was like, you know, I’m 20, actually 20-something years old listening this amazing woman talk about the Holy Spirit that I never thought I’d hear anyone say such things. But then when she said, and began, very alive, she said, “He’s more real to me than you.” And when she said that, everything in me exploded and I said, “Dear Jesus, I want to know you like that.”

SID: There’s something that I read about you, and compared to what you’re saying, it almost seems like nothing, but it just affected me so much. I read you were in England and you were praying, and the Holy Spirit was there. And the Holy Spirit spoke to you when they called you for dinner.

PASTOR BENNY: Yeah.

SID: Tell me about that.

PASTOR BENNY: Well that year, the Watsons had taken a tour to Europe and I was a part a group called [Hebrew], the Glory. [unintelligible] travelled a lot to the U.K. and Holland. People who were a part of where I am, you know, had us as guests. So that family was a part of the Youth With A Mission. And a very elegant lady that I still remember kept calling my name, “Benny, come on, you know, it’s lunchtime.” And I was just with the Lord. And as I’m walking out, and this, the first time that I had ever had that happen, I mean, I felt a very gentle hand with five fingers, may I add, I felt a hand touch my arm right here and held me back, and very sweetly it said, “Five more minutes please, please just five more minutes.” And everything in me froze.

SID: Can you imagine the Spirit of God, you’re being called to dinner and the Spirit of God saying, “I want to be with you five more, please, five more.” That reminds almost of Kathryn Kuhlman saying, “Please don’t grieve the Holy Spirit. He’s all that I have.” Let me ask you something. Give me two keys as to how we can know the Lord.

PASTOR BENNY: Well, we all know Him, we just don’t recognize Him. He is the Spirit of Jesus. And that’s really what I’ve learned over the last 40 years. The Holy Spirit, even though a separate person, when people ask me, who is the Holy Spirit, here is my answer. He is Jesus unlimited.

SID: Give me an answer to this question. Tell me the two keys that we can know the Holy Spirit better.

PASTOR BENNY: Talk to Him. It’s really one key. Just talk to Him. I think the greatest sin against him is when we ignore him. We just have to talk to him. And you know, my mother-in-law, my sweet darling mother-in-law, many years ago said, “Well who do I talk to, the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit?” I said, “Pauline, there is no competition in glory.” The Holy Spirit is God Almighty.

SID: You know, most people think of the Holy Spirit as a power.

PASTOR BENNY: No, no, no, no, no. That actually insults him. He is God Almighty equal to the Father and the Son in glory and majesty. He is as real as Jesus, as real as the Father. He is a person with intellect, His own mind. He makes His own decisions with emotions, has His own feelings.

SID: Can you, Kathryn said, “Please don’t grieve Him.”

PASTOR BENNY: Yeah.

SID: You see people grieving the Spirit of God?

PASTOR BENNY: All the time, because they ignore Him. I think that’s the greatest wound we cause Him is when we ignore Him. But think about the Holy Spirit having His own will. Listen, had the Holy Spirit changed His mind on not raising Jesus from the dead, the Lord would still be in the grave today. That’s how powerful He is.

SID: I’ll tell you, your teaching, the revelation that Pastor Benny has on the Holy Spirit, but I, you know what, when we come back, I believe the atmosphere is pregnant for miracles.

PASTOR BENNY: Amen.

SID: Don’t go away.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone at his home in Fort Worth, Texas is Dr. James Maloney Professor at “Christ for the Nations.” He works in gifts of prophesy, word of knowledge and miracles. And on yesterday’s broadcast I mean I have here in my notes a number of miracles that have occurred but one in particular caught my eye. A woman by the name of Mary in California and you had a word of knowledge for Mary you didn’t know what was wrong with her and what did you say?

James: Well Sid I just pointed at her in the service and I said “You’re scheduled for open heart surgery is that correct?” And she said “Yea.” And I said “Well I believe the Lord’s touching your heart right now.” And so yeah she began to weep and cry and I just went on ministering to other people and it’s kind of humorous because about 15 minutes later she screamed. And so she runs down to the front and she’s jumping up and down and she arrests me and she says “Brother Maloney I’ve got to tell you that God has really healed my heart.” And I said “Well what do you mean you know.” And she said you don’t understand I just had my third pacemaker put in my chest cavity I can’t find it and in fact I…

Sid: That’s a little scary there Jim.

James: Yeah I can’t find it and I can’t even find the scar. And so it’s really great because Mary is a wonderful…

Sid: Well she couldn’t find it but did the doctors find then find the pacemaker?

James: Yeah every six months she goes back to her doctor.

Sid: And did the doctors found the pacemaker?

James: No uh-uh.

Sid: Where did it go? Well it just… God just dissolved it.

James: Yeah.

Sid: Well when you pray for people many people feel I guess I’ll describe it as electricity what’s going on inside of you when they feel that?

James: Well Sid you know my heart’s desire is you know the Lord uses us to His glory and honor that’s in prophecy or the revelation gifts of the Spirit of healing. My heart’s desire is that I just want people to experience the Lord to have encounters with Him. You know when I was saved initially at 14 I had a permanosis encounter. So when I minister in the nations, you know there’s a lot of needs and there’s a lot of miracles that need to transpire. To me there’s been times I’ve given words of knowledge to people that were very supernatural prophetic words that really touched people’s lives and yet seen even miracles so I just want people to have encounters with the Lord. And so whenever I’m ministering a particularly in the healing realm as the Holy Spirit rules and directs there’s just this seemingly tangible presence a warmth almost like a tingling of electricity a lot of people have testified. So when we pray for them it’s an encounter. God’s wanting these people to know that you know He’s the same yesterday, today and forever He loves them He’s aware of their needs…

Sid: Is cancer literally burned out of people’s bodies when you pray?

James: I have experienced that over the years where…

Sid: Tell me about one.

James: Well I’ve had people that have had tumors cancer tumors that they just felt the electricity just burn that tumor out it would just banish. I remember one particular lady this was also a young lady in California, my wife was there she was sitting right next to her she could validate this that she had a rumor on her side. And I just spoke a word I mean I just looked at her I didn’t know what was wrong with her and the Lord gave me a word of knowledge and said “The tumor that’s on your side is literally being burned out of your body.” And my wife was right next to her Sid and you heard this sizzling sound, I know that it sounds real dramatic and I don’t embellish experiences but to mean that tumor just disappears it was huge she was scheduled for surgery. My wife her mouth dropped open she looked at that thing vanish. And yeah I’ve seen that to God’s glory and honor.

Sid: Now you have seen people have actually their ribs grow back.

James: Yes we had a gentleman who was from Kentucky who was in one of our meetings in Jacksonville, Florida there was a couple of ribs they were broken. There was a big vacancy there if I could say that. A big hole so to speak and they just… I mean they just grew back I mean as if he’d never had the injury. And these were just some you know…

Sid: How about toes recreated?

James: I remember in Indiana that there was a young teenager that had partial toes and it was a deformity I believe. Actually this happened in Indiana as well in New Hampshire. This is several years ago and it took about 45 minutes but they just filled out you know (Chuckling.)

Sid: Did you watch that?

James: Yeah yeah I had her take her shoes off and take her socks off and stick her feet up on a chair and so everybody could just watch it.

Sid: Did you know this was going to happen or was you just as surprised as everyone else?

James: Now if someone came up and said you know that “My daughter had this deformity and it was creating a problem of course for her to walk and this and that.” And so it was just a gift of faith that was there and the power of the Lord was present to heal and the Lord touched them.

Sid: How about the baby that did not have any pupils?

James: I was out in Denver, Colorado this was a few years ago we had a young baby that her eyes were closed she was laying on the lap of a sister this was the niece of this lady her parents had not brought her but the sister. So she said “I was going out the door because I was late to catch my plane and so she said “Would you just please pray for the little baby” she didn’t tell me what was wrong. So I just put my hand and said “Lord touch whatever is the need.” Well what we did not know Sid was her pupils had not ever been created and so overnight her pupils were created. So the next morning the parent and the baby was asleep so they just put the baby in the crib. And so the next morning the baby’s crying you know hungry and you know the mom comes in and she screams at her husband in the bathroom shaving. She screams and her husband runs in and says “What’s wrong what’s wrong?” And they look down and the little baby had the most beautiful sparkling blue eyes you’d ever seen in your life.

Sid: Hm.

James: And later on in one of my meetings in Denver the sister came and testified and validated it and gave her name and you know that this miracle really did happen. So it was exciting.

Sid: You know one of the most humbling humiliating things in our society today, saddest is Alzheimer’s, have you ever prayed for someone with Alzheimer’s?

James: A yes I’ve prayed for many probably 100’s Sid.

Sid: I mean have you ever prayed for any that have gotten better?

James: Yes there was one particular lady in Hammock, California in one of my meetings the kids brought her she was totally incoherent she didn’t know where she was. I suspect that she was in advanced stage of it. We prayed and this was before I knew anything about medical knowledge that there could be things you know that are calcified in the brain you know and so it was like a word of knowledge I said “Whatever is restricting coherency in her brain and the tissues of her brain.” I asked for a creative miracle. Well I just left it at that Sid and about I don’t know it maybe about a year later a year and a half later I went back to that area and in this particular church the greeter, you know the greeter you know the lady that’s greeting and a gentleman greeting the people that were coming in. She said “You don’t know me.” And I said “No” (Laughing). And she said “Well I’m the lady that had Alzheimer’s.” And I looked at her Sid and I’m telling you what she looked I’m not exaggerating she looked 30 years younger, God rejuvenated her body brought forth a youthfulness. And she said “I was healed of Alzheimer’s” and so she’s just a tremendous member of this congregation now.

Sid: Now your son James when he was 9 years old started moving in similar gifts that you had tell me about the person that was in a wheelchair for 14 years?

James: Well my son Andrew James traveled with us of course we traveled for many many years with the family. And so he was just about 9 years of age and this was in Palm Springs, California I remember now he told me he said “You know dad he said “You know Dad he said “There is this man in a wheelchair right next to me and he was crippled and he had not walked out of that wheelchair for many many years.” And he had somewhat of a self-pity concept and I’m not being critical here, but it was just that he was really wanting attention and woe is me and I feel bad and everybody pray for me sort of disturbing the service. And so he said “My son.” And I just stepped down there and I said “You need to stop doing that the Lord wants to heal you.” And I sort of grabbed him my son said and he fell out of the wheelchair on the carpet and he’s laying there and he’s crying out to God and all of a sudden the Lord touched him and you heard the snap, crackle and pop. And so my son sort of reached down and prayed for him as well you see as well.

Sid: Did your son really pull him out of the wheelchair?

James: No I did.

Sid: You pulled him out of the wheel…

James: And my son…

Sid: Well wait a second when you pulled him out did you try to push him up to stand or…

James: No no I just sort of grabbed him I guess I was really being lead of the Lord I mean…

Sid: (Laughing) You better.

James: I wouldn’t have done that in the natural you know but my son really kind of felt bad for him he was just nice and he kind of reached down there and prayed for him; the guys laying on the carpet you know but the Lord touch him. And you heard the snap, crackle and pop and he stood up and he started walking. Well that just changed my son’s life.

Sid: It sure changed the person’s life while he had been in the wheelchair. But speaking about changing life’s when I heard you speak about a month ago in Jacksonville, Florida I was very intrigued with your prophetic ministry but I was especially intrigued with the teaching ministry of your wife Joy. And the pastor there said that they have had more requests and the greatest results from the people that listen to her 3 audio cassette series on healing. And I listened to it and I have to tell you and I told you this before and I’m going to tell you again it is the clearest teaching… my faith grew as a result of that. What can you tell me about that series because this pastor was saying that this was the most unusual series that they have ever had on healing?

James: It was just very supernatural you know my wife Sid is from a family you know of great teachers. Her brother David Alsobrook also travels around the nation has a tremendous healing ministry, tremendous teaching ministry and so with that background my wife has a very neat simple but yet concise way of teaching she’s previous I mean.

Sid: It’s beyond just a teaching if there is anointing for faith to grow; I mean my faith grew. As a matter of fact I was very disappointed that I didn’t listen to that series and then have you pray for you. As a matter of fact you’re going to pray a prayer of faith for miracles at the end of these three teaching cassettes I believe we’re going to get reports all over the country for miracles.

James: I think that one of the main reasons why its proficient set of teaching tapes is because my wife has an incredible testimony herself.

Sid: Oops we’re out of time.

Sid: This week is Purim week. In traditional synagogues throughout the world the book of Esther, or the megillah, the scroll of Esther is read word for word. I believe Esther is the end time book to the church not Revelation, the book of Esther is the end time book. Why do I say this? Take a look at the parallels between Esther and a Christian.

First of all let’s take a look at Esther, she was an orphan. Well do you know a non-people that became the people of God? That became Kings and Queens in the kingdom? You see. Also, Esther was beautiful. I want you to know something, you look at yourself in the mirror and you see a couple of pimples. God looks at you and He is madly, I say madly in love with you. You know why? When He sees you He sees His Son Yeshua, He sees Jesus. You know, get rid of that stinking thinking. God, the creator of the universe, loves you as much as Jesus because when He sees you He sees Jesus. Get that straight. How can you worry about anything going on in your life at this precise moment when you see the magnitude of God’s love for you, and if God’s for you who can be against you?

Let me tell you something else about Esther, she had favor. I tell you you have as much favor as Jesus. You’re part of His body, you’re His bride, you have supernatural favor. You are blessed coming in and blessed going out, blessed in the country, blessed in the city, blessed in everything you touch. Everything you touch is going to prosper.

You know what else? You could have been a heroin addict, you could have been a prostitute, you could have been a pornography addict, you could have been an alcoholic, you could have been the lowest of the low, but if you’ve repented of your sins God not only has forgiven you, He’s remitted your sins. That means He’s obliterated your sins, that means because of the blood of Jesus in His mind, in heaven’s mind, in your kingdom’s mind the kingdom of heaven and your king’s mind you are a virgin. You have no past, you have a wonderful present, and the best future of anyone on this earth could have. You’re going to spend eternity with God, you’re chosen.

You know what else Esther had? She had humility. You know what else Esther had? Esther hid her Jewish roots. No one knew she was Jewish. You know Esther? Church, listen to this now, if the blood of the greatest Jew who ever lived flows through your veins you got Jewish roots that go deep. But Esther church, you’ve done the same job as Esther in the Bible did. I mean you have so assimilated but guess what, I believe it was strategic it wasn’t totally demonic, it was strategic. What do I mean by that? Well take Esther for example. Esther wasn’t her Hebrew name, her Hebrew name was Hadassah what a beautiful name. Hadassah means myrtle, that was a type of evergreen tree. It speaks of life and green, and living, l’chaim – life, have another drink. Oh if you don’t understand that get the tape. They changed her name because she lived in Babylon, and the reason that they changed her name is when Jews went to different parts of the world they took on the culture that they had. But you know what? Had she not changed her name she might not been queen of the land because a Jew couldn’t be the queen of the land. She was called Esther and Esther comes from the fertility goddess Ishtar.

You see Hadassah’s family came to Babylon because of sin. They could have left Babylon 50 years earlier and avoided the potential death of every Jew living if they had left early, but they didn’t because they liked the good life in Babylon rather than the 3^rd world nation of Israel. As a result they were going to have suffer the consequences.

Church I want you to know that a lot of the culture you’ve picked up, it’s about ready… you’re about ready to show the world the real Jesus. Talk about Romans 11:11. You know what that says?

Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.

Now how are you going to provoke a Jew to jealousy? By observing the festivals of the nations, as opposed to observing the festivals of the kingdom. Now true Purim is not in the list of the required festivals in Leviticus 23. But… God says in the book of Esther this festival should be observed from generation to generation. So how are you going to provoke a Jew to jealousy by observing the Biblical festivals of your kingdom, or by observing the festivals of the world’s kingdom? Is it sin to do this? No as a matter of fact, I think God maneuvered Esther in this position. I think God maneuvered the church into this positon because I believe God’s secret weapon is the church. The only friend the Jewish people are going to have in the days we are living in right now are going to be true Christians. These true Christians are going to provoke Jews to jealousy. You know how you’re going to provoke Jews to jealousy?

1. You’re going to walk in the miraculous power of God, the dunamis power of God like no generation has ever done. The closes is the first generation, but it’s going to be greater because Jesus said “You’ll do the same work I’ve done, and you’re even going to do greater.”
2. You’re going to walk in Isaiah chapter 49 verse 22 and 23. Now this is remember I said Esther had humility she did everything Mordechai said. Well Esther, the church, has humility. Esther does everything that God the Father says, that the word says. This is talking about the last days Isaiah chapter 49 verse 22:

 Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will lift My hand in an oath to the nations, and set up My standard for the peoples; They shall bring your sons in their arms

That’s the Jewish people.

And your daughters…

The Jewish daughters,

Shall be carried on their shoulders; Kings shall be your foster fathers.

You know who the kings are? Christians. Do you know who the children are? Jewish people.

Kings shall be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers.

Do you know who the queens are? Those in the kingdom of God, Christians. But here’s the hard part for anyone whose kingdom is this world and not heaven.

The kings and queens shall bow down to you.

That’s the Jewish people.

With their faces to the earth, and lick up the dust of your feet.

Huh! Sounds like something Jesus did. Remember at the last Passover Seder, what’s known as the Last Supper, He washed the feet of His disciples, but this is the result of walking in that supernatural love. Then the Jewish people will know that “I am the Lord.”

Romans 11:11:

Salvation I believe has come to the Gentile [Christian] to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.

I believe Esther this is you finest hour, I believe Esther, church… well rather than what I believe let’s tell you what God says. God says in His word when shortly all of the Jewish people were about to be exterminated, murdered, every adult male, female, every grandmother, every grandfather, every little boy, every little girl, and you know something in Hitler’s Germany that’s what they tried to do. That’s what they tried to do in the book of Esther. That’s what they are going to be trying to do shortly, and as a matter of fact, anti-Semitism is at a higher rater right now in Europe and Germany than it was just before Hitler came into power.

But this is what Mordechai said to Esther. Remember Esther owed a debt of gratitude just as Romans says that the church owes a debt of gratitude to the Jewish people. Because of them they were the fathers because they preserved the scriptures. It says in Esther 4:13 when Esther wasn’t sure whether she wanted to face a life threatening situation. This is what Mordechai said:

Do not think in your heart that you will escape in the king’s palace any more than all the other Jews.

In other words, don’t think you can hide the fact that the blood of the greatest Jew who ever lived is flowing through your veins Esther.

For if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father’s house will perish. Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?

Esther I ask you, who knows if you had not come to the kingdom for such a time as this? This is your challenge Esther, this is your challenge church. Salvation has come to the Gentile Christian to provoke the Jew to jealousy. It doesn’t stop there though. When that Jew is provoked to jealousy, oh it gets so good… Do you know what happens when that Jew is provoked to jealousy? You will put the Jew with the word. Do you know what happens when you equip the Jew with the sword, that’s what it says in Esther? You equip the Jew with the sword, which is a type of the word of God, it says revival broke out throughout the land. It’s the law of sowing and reaping, it’s the law of salvation. Paul understood it he said in Romans 1:16:

I go to the Jew first.

Jesus understood it. He said:

I only go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, not as an end in itself but as a seed to reach the whole world.

God understood it when He went to Abraham the first Jew to plant a seed because He so loved the whole world.

Are you beginning to get it? I hope the lightbulbs are going on. Esther we need you, you’re special you’re important and this is Purim.

SID: John Bevere, what is the fear of the Lord?

JOHN: The fear of the Lord, first of all, is not to be scared of God. Okay. How can we have a relationship, intimacy with somebody we’re scared of? Okay. If you remember when Moses brought Israel out of Egypt, he made a statement to them. He said, when God came down on the mountain they all ran away, and he made this statement, Exodus 20:20. If you want a 20/20 vision this is it. He said, “Do not fear,” he said, “because God is coming to touch you to see if there’s fear in you.” Now wait a minute. “Do not fear because God is coming to see if this fear is in you.” It sounds like a contradiction. It’s not. He’s differentiating between being scared of God and fear of the Lord. The person who’s scared of God has something to hide. What does Adam do as soon as he disobeys God? He runs from the presence of God. A person who fears God has nothing to hide. He’s scared to be away from God. So if you want the initial definition of the fear of the Lord, it’s to be terrified, not scared, terrified to be away from God. So when we fear God, we venerate him. Now venerate is huge. What does that mean? It means we honor, respect, we reverence Him more than anything or anyone else. So it means that we take on His heart and we love what He loves, and we hate what He hates.

SID: Would you say that’s a definition of holiness because it says in the Bible, “Without holiness you will not see God.” What’s your definition?

JOHN: Yeah, but wait a minute. How is holiness developed? According to the New Testament, “Perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord,” Second Corinthians 7:1. Okay. So the fear of the Lord is the prerequisite to holiness. Moses said, “God has come to see if this fear so that you do not sin.” Fear of the Lord is to hate evil. Now let me tell you the way most Christians look at this in America. Many Christians will say, I dislike evil. No, the fear of the Lord is not to dislike evil. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil. So we love what He loves, we hate what He hates. Now I’ve heard religious people say this: “I hate those sinners, you know. They live like this, they do that. I hate them. I fear God.” No, you don’t fear God because you hate what He loves. God is in love with that person that’s bound to sin. He died for that person. How dare you say, “I hate that person, I fear God.” You don’t fear God because you hate what He loves. So when you embrace the fear of the Lord, you get a greater measure of the Holy Spirit because, Sid, I’m going to really bare myself here. Back in the late ’80s, early ’90s, I was praying two hours every day. Okay. I’d get up at five, pray until seven and then go to work. One day I said, “Why isn’t there a stronger anointing? Why isn’t there a stronger presence of the Holy Spirit in my life?” I pray two hours every day. I’m reading your word. I’m studying. Why isn’t there a stronger? And you know what the Lord said to me? He said, “Because you tolerate sin, not only in your life, but in the lives of others.” And I was like, what? And He said, “Read Hebrews 1.” So I go to Hebrews 1, where Jesus is raised from the dead. God the Father inaugurates him as Lord of the church, and makes the statement to Jesus. He said, “Because you’ve loved righteousness,” the Lord said, “stop.” He said, “Every Christian loves righteousness,” but He said, “that’s not all I said.” The Father looks at the Son and He says, “Because you’ve loved righteousness and hated sin, therefore, God, even thy God has anointed you above your companions.” He said, “Learn to hate sin the way I hate sin and you’ll see the anointing of God in your life in greatness.” So what I’ve noticed is I would go into my prayer closet and I wouldn’t even pray, I wouldn’t even sing. I would just meditate on the awesomeness of our Father. And bam, there’s this presence. So this started going on every day. And one day I just say, “Hold it!” I said, “It used to be so hard for me to get into Your presence in the prayer closet. Now it’s getting so easy.” And the Holy Spirit said, “How did Jesus teach his disciples to pray?” So I said, “The Lord’s Prayer. Our Father which are in Heaven hallowed be thy name.” There it is. Jesus, you taught your disciples, you can’t come into the presence of God without the reverential fear of the Lord. See, if you look at the Book of Hebrews, it says that, “Jesus was heard because of his godly fear.” It’s one thing to pray, it’s another thing to be heard. Okay. So there’s a lot of prayer that goes on. But I want to be heard. It’s the fear of the Lord. So to get back to what I said to you earlier. That morning in the hotel room in Malaysia when God spoke to me, He said, “Lucifer lead worship. He didn’t fear me. He didn’t endure forever.” He said, “A third of the angels surrounded my throne. They didn’t fear me. They didn’t endure forever. Adam and Eve walked in my presence, glorious presence. They didn’t fear me. They didn’t endure in the Garden forever.” So the Lord spoke to me and He said, “Every created being that surrounds my throne throughout eternity will be tested in the fear of the Lord.”

SID: You know, a lot of people miss the word for the Holy Spirit is “holy”, and that’s why God says, “Be ye holy, for I God am holy.” I’m reminded of Katherine Kuhlman. I told you about her earlier. Katherine used to say, “Please don’t grieve the Holy Spirit. He’s all I’ve got.” And I never totally understood that until I read the Book of Acts, the first chapter, the 8^th verse, “You shall receive power.” And the word for power is “dynamite power”, like the same power that rose Messiah Jesus from the grave. You shall receive that dynamite power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And why do you have this power? To be witnesses. That’s the whole purpose of this program. I want you to see miracles so you will be a witness.

Sid: As I said yesterday when you hear my guest Pat Holliday from Jacksonville, Florida you will find out what’s on the other side of a backslidden state and you will get out of that state so fast. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out Pat got involved with what was called occult back then it’s called New Age today, and she was depressed. She had run for the State Legislature and lost. Got into something called automatic handwriting, Jean Dixon, you know books like that. Read everything she could on the subject and then one night she was writing with her automatic writing where she writes, and you know a spirit is directing what she’s doing. This spirit literally said that he’s going to possess her and did this spirit say that he was going to harm your children?

Pat: He said that he was going to put them in a trance for me not to fear that they would be okay but they were going to possess me.

Sid: And you cried out to God because you didn’t want to be possessed, but you didn’t really know Jesus although you were raised Catholic you knew about Jesus but you didn’t know Him. All you knew was that He was someone hanging on a cross and you didn’t know how He was relevant in this life. You didn’t know that you could personally know Him, you began reading Christian books. You got born again, you went to get baptized in the Holy Spirit after reading a book but you found you could not because you were demonized.

Pat: That’s right.

Sid: What did you do about that?

Pat: Well here’s what happens, you know the church, many pastors say “Christians cannot be possessed.” I can tell you Sid I knew that I was a Christian, I had had a supernatural experience with Jesus and I knew that I was born again. But I had this retching it felt like razor blades up in my head cutting at my brain.

Sid: Well you know when some people say Christian’s can’t have a demon. I say can a Christian be sick?

Pat: Yeah, exactly.

Sid: And much sickness is caused by demons so if a Christian can be sick and have a spirit of infirmity, why can’t a Christian have a spirit by a different name. But any way you knew that there was something going on within you.

Pat: Hmm hm.

Sid: But that must be a scary feeling to know that there’s something evil in you to know that you love the Lord. At that time very few people were equipped to help you.

Pat: Well you know when I would go to the church and when I would go into the prayer meetings Christian’s would lay their hands on me for healing. But I needed the demons driven out of me.

Sid: Well you know as I read the Bible there were times when Jesus prayed for the sick and there was times when Jesus cast out demons. And we know about praying for the sick but we don’t know about casting out demons and I’ll tell you something else most people that call themselves Christian’s are afraid of demons and guess whose causing the fear, the demon. They got them coming and going and yes they have power, but “Greater is He that’s in me than he that’s within the world. And I can do exceedingly abundantly beyond anything that I’ve ever asked or I’ve even thought according to the power.” I would imagine that the demons when the Christian’s recognizes the authority, and blood of Jesus and the power in the Name of Jesus. But anyway you didn’t know any of that stuff.

Pat: I didn’t know, I went to Parson Carson’s Church up on the beach.

Sid: I know him in Jacksonville, Florida.

Pat: Yes and there was a young preacher there and I came in the back door the church was absolutely packed out and this preacher said “The Holy Ghost told me to take authority over the demons.” And he started binding the demons. Well I stood like a statue Sid I could not move a muscle and my hands got clammy and something was really on me that was so scared but it didn’t come out. But after the meeting Parson came up and he said “I’ve got a book that I want you to read.” And it was “Deliver Us From Evil” by Don Basham.

Sid: I read that book.

Pat: And when I read that book I knew that was what was wrong with me. And in the occult what you read you practice right. You do it. So I read that book and it said “In the Name of Jesus we could cast out devils.” So I took my Bible into the bathroom and started doing binding and loosening like he said. I got some deliverance, I really did. And it was after that that I was able to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You see our churches in our nation are filled with people that have come out of the occult, the New Age, come out witchcraft, come out of homosexuality…

Sid: And they’re never taught about deliverance and renouncing these things and getting set free. I mean you know what the early church used to do that was really kind of fascinating. The first Jewish believers in Jesus they had baptism, except they didn’t call it baptism they called it Mikveh. And their faith was such that when this brand new believer in Jesus went under the waters of Mikveh, or baptism, when they would come up they would believe that all of those demons would stay under the water. That’s the easy way I think.

Pat: Well some of them do, I have ministered deliverance to some people and they got some freedom but not entire freedom and when you baptize them and they come up they get a lot more freedom so. I personally believe that baptism has a lot to do with the deliverance of the demons.

Sid: Okay, you got deliverance but how in the world did you go from there to the deliverance ministry? No one even knew that much about it back then there are only a handful of people that knew deliverance back in the early 70’s.

Pat: Well I went to Israel you know about that but I don’t know if you want to talk on this.

Sid: Are you kidding, let me tell you something Pat did something that was one of the most phenomenal things. She went to Israel when a friend of mine and I do say a friend of mine Katherine Kuhlman had a miracle service there but it was a miracle that you even got there but tell me about that service.

Pat: Well I was about 6 months old in the Spirit and I had seen her in Jacksonville twice and they asked us to give up our seats. So I gave up my seat and I came out into the lobby and people were just crowded out into the lobby.

Sid: By the way, those that are not familiar with Katherine Kuhlman she had one of the most outstanding miracle ministries I’d ever been under back then and even now. I mean it was a phenomenal ministry but go ahead.

Pat:   And so she was up on the screen and my bus driver…

Sid:   This was in Jerusalem?

Pat:   This was in Jerusalem.

Sid: Okay.

Pat:   And my guide brought the bus driver to me and he could speak very good English. He said “Peter wants to find Jesus.” He said “What can we do?” He said “We know these miracles are real because we know all of these people that are getting miracles.” And he said “He wants to know Jesus.” So there was a Messianic room downstairs.

Sid: Now, he was Jewish right?

Pat: Ah, huh and…

Sid: The bus driver was Jewish?

Pat:   Right.

Sid: Okay.

Pat: Both of them were.

Sid: Okay.

Pat:   So I took him by the hand and on the way down I thought that I was just going to pray for him in my tongues and I started praying. But he started answering me and I started answering him and there’s definitely a conversation going on. And then all of a sudden I just turned to him and I laid my hands on him and I felt the infusion of the Holy Ghost come through my hands for the first time. And you know Sid even if you don’t know what somebody saying you know when they get the baptism because they just go nuts in front of the Lord. They just… the glory of God comes down on them. And so then he came back up to me and he said “Come, come.” And I followed him, he took me up and down the bus rows took me to a certain bus and there was a bus driver there and he says “Tell, tell.” So I start to tell and my prayer language comes forth and there all of a sudden I stepped on… he was answering me too.

Sid: He was answering my prayer language?

Pat: Yeah.

Sid: He understood it?

Pat:   Yeah.

Sid: Okay, go ahead.

Pat:   And I put my hand on his head and all of a sudden the Holy Ghost came on him and he just began to worship and praise the Lord. And these situations happened probably around 25 Jews. I remember Sid I was in my room and 5 Jewish men came to the hotel and called my room and said “We want Pat Holliday to come down to the lobby.” I didn’t know a soul in Jerusalem and so I came down to the lobby and there’s 5 Jews asking me to pray for them and they all received the baptism.

Sid: Now you asked the Lord what you were saying in Hebrew to them and He answered them. Now you don’t speak Hebrew?

Pat: Nothing.

Sid: You were speaking in unknown tongues. Okay, what were you saying to them?

Pat: I asked the Lord that night “What am I saying” He said “You are saying the Lord thy God loves you and hates the devil. If you want to be washed in the blood of the lamb ask the woman to touch you on the head she has Jesus in her hands. And that’s what I was saying to them.

Sid: And they were talking back to you in Hebrew and you didn’t understand a word of what they were saying. How many Jews do you think that you led to the Lord and experienced the power of God?

Pat: I think about 25.

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SID: Is it possible to change the atmosphere, not just in your home, not just in your community, but an entire country? Let’s take the country of Thailand, the country of Cambodia. First of all, why did you even go there?

PATRICIA: Well Sid, the Lord spoke to me in a prayer time once and He said, “I want you to go to Bangkok, Thailand, because I’m going to teach you some things about sex tourism.” I thought, sex tourism, what is that? We worked in the inner city for years and of course worked with prostitutes. They were making money for their drugs through prostitution. But I never thought of it being a tourist thing. So we went over to Thailand and got a ticket. Went there and, Sid, the first night that I arrived, my heart my vexed because I saw older men that had come from western countries who were buying young Thai girls for the weekend. And I looked at the strain on the Thai girls’ faces, and they were trying to smile, but you could feel their pain. I was in a restaurant one night and I thought—

SID: You know, we’re sheltered here in a country like America. The most we see is a little bit of this on a TV screen. But these are real people that are being abused, children being abused. It’s real. And if we don’t do something about it, who’s going to? Go ahead.

PATRICIA: That’s exactly right. And so the restaurant was full of such scenarios, men with girls that they bought. And I got angry inside, and I forgot that my life message was God loves you with an everlasting love, for the moment. All I wanted to do was give that man some of my full ministry, a real good dose of it. And my heart broke for the girl. But then the Lord spoke to me. He said, “You know, he’s just as much of a victim. He’s a victim, too.

SID: Sure.

PATRICIA: And He started to reveal words of knowledge to my heart as to what had happened in his life. And He says, “What are you going to do about it?” And I thought, well I’m overwhelmed. I went to bed that night. I was still overwhelmed. The next day we go to Pattaya. It was the worst. It’s a sex tourism city. You can walk the streets and there’s bars with sex menus there that people from all over the world, sex tourists go and buy young girls for sex. I sat in one of those bars the second day I was there and sat and listened to a girl’s sad story of how she had grown up in a community with, she was happy, and then got sold into the bar by her parents. I was just broken hearted. There were tears welling up in her eyes. And I went back to my room. I said, “God, I’m just overwhelmed. I don’t know what to do. This problem is too big.” And He said, “You can do something about it, and you get to do something about it.” So He gave us an idea, one idea. And it was February 14, Valentine’s Day. So we worked with a local church in the area. We went into one of the brothel bars and asked the brothel owner, “Hey, can we do some singing for you? It’s Valentine’s Day. Love songs.” We just failed to tell him it was Jesus love songs.

SID: In a bar.

PATRICIA: So we gave them free entertainment for the night. We went in there and we sat with the bar girls, and we bought them a Coca-Cola or something, just because we had to pay something in order to be there. And we started sharing with them about Jesus. Well then I asked the brothel owner, I said, “Oh, I’m getting some words about people’s future from God. Can I get up on the mike here and give those words?” And she said, “Are you a fortune teller?” And I said, “No, not quite like that.” But I said, “I do know God and He knows everyone’s future and I’ve got words.” She said, “Okay, go for it.” So I started giving these words and I said, “If anyone of you want words for your future come up here and I’ll give them to you.” There was a lineup of people waiting to get their destiny words. And that night, we got people saved. We had an altar call in the bar, in the brothel, and people came to the Lord.

SID: Listen now. That is normal. That’s what Jesus would have done. That is normal according to the Bible.

PATRICIA: And that is changing the atmosphere.

SID: Okay. As you changed the atmosphere in Thailand and in Cambodia, we do the same work. Tell me some of the things God is showing you to do.

PATRICIA: Oh, it’s just been amazing. There’s multiple levels. But one of the things that He revealed when we were in Cambodia, there’s a little city called Poipet and it’s right on the border where a lot of children get smuggled across with traffickers, sometimes put in the bottom of carts. And the Lord revealed to me as I was doing a prayer walk there one day, He said, “One of the issues that is fueling the sex trade is systemic poverty. People can’t afford to feed their children. What are you going to do?”

SID: So that’s why they sell them.

PATRICIA: They sell the children so that, you know, and a lot of them don’t know they’re going into the sex trade. They’re lied to by the traffickers. So they think they’re going to give their children a better future by getting them educated, put them in a rich family over in Thailand, or something. But that’s not what happens to them. They get sold into brothels or sent by containers over to western nations to be sold in sex auctions. It’s a horrible thing. So God says, “What are you going to do about the poverty issue?” So I went into prayer and He gave me one idea. The first idea was to buy a bag of laundry soap. And I approached a Thai woman who had made [?] for a living. And I said, “I’d like to start you in a business. Would you like that?” She said, “I would really like that.” And I said, “Well, here’s a bag of soap. Let’s open up a business called “Purity Laundry Service” and I said, “I’m going to make up some order forms on my computer so people can order your laundry. We’ve got people in outreach coming, they need their laundry done. And you can pray over all the laundry and clean it.” We led her to the Lord and taught her how to pray. And I said, “It’s going to be really holy laundry, Purity Laundry Service.” And I said, “Eventually we’re going to lead for your business to get into the local hotels. You can wash the sheets. Who knows what’s happening on those sheets. But you’re going to wash them and declare the purity of God over them.” In no time at all, that little business took off and she was hiring three workers, and then up to five workers who were making a living for their families instead of having to sell children.

SID: But let me ask you this question, though. You’re a nurse. You’re not a businesswoman. How are you starting businesses all over these countries, rescuing these people, getting them saved, getting them discipled and putting them in business to be lights to their community? How can you do this?

PATRICIA: All things in Christ are easy. They’re very, very easy. And you know, God spoke to me one day and Jesus said that he was about his Father’s business. It says that in the scripture. He didn’t say, I’m about my Father’s ministry. And I took of that. And I thought, okay, if there’s a business anointing available, I want it. God, teach me how to move in this business anointing.

SID: I want you right now, because of time, to do what you normally do in these countries or in your home, or in your community, I want to decree right now over the people watching.

PATRICIA: All right. I decree over you that all things are possible in Christ. I decree over you that there’s going to be a shift in your life into an accelerated creativity where you can bring light into your darkness. There is nothing impossible for you. You will triumph in all things because that is what the Word promises you. The Lord says in His Word that you are going to partner with Him to transform the world for His glory. You are going to bring salvation to those who do not know Him. You are going to see shifts in your health, in your finances, in your strength, in every dimension of your life, because that is what is you’re called to. And I see actually right now in the spirit, I see someone who is watching this, there is going to be a shift in your home. You’re going to create peace in your household because you have a teenage son who has been raising hell in your home. And you’ve been distressed. You were crying. Even before you put this program on, you were crying. But the Lord says He’s going to teach you how to take the authority and shift the atmosphere in your home so that there’s no more conflict, there’s no more contention or strife, or rebellion, but there’s peace because you have the power resident within you, in Christ Jesus within you to change the atmosphere in your home.

SID: And I say to you, anything Patricia can do, you can do better.

PATRICIA: Amen

SID: Go for it.

Sid: Well my guest David Herzog he is I don’t know what’s stronger than red hot, he maybe white-hot (Laughing) for the Messiah. But David you just got back from Finland and you said the glory of God was at a higher level than you’ve ever seen it in that nation before. Tell me what’s going on.

David: Yeah, its the national move of God on the verse of an awakening that’s happening everybody knows about it in the church. Lutheran, Baptist, Catholics… I mean secular we get the whole country live to the whole country but the glory was so thick. Not just the miracles and the signs and the salivations; that was all awesome but there was such a level of glory. It changed my life; I’ve been doing this for over 20 years and I’ve been wrecked for God in a good way since this trip. And the love of God on a level we’ve never experienced before.

Sid: Now when you say the love of God what do you mean?

David: Supernatural love was so strong for God and one for the other. It was like oozing out of everybody on the team. We were on this bus traveling every day 6 hours a day hitting different cities, tearing down, going to the next city. And it was like the book of Acts, literally it felt like we would be willing to die for one another and for the Lord. It was such an intimacy with the Lord that it spilled over into relationships. I think that was one of the huge keys, besides of course that they love Israel. A lot of government officials love Israel, the church love Israel. So it was like all of the elements were there unity, love miracles, Israel, sacrifice. No one was doing it for their own self; it was like the book of Acts no one thought anything was their own they just did it for the Lord.

Sid: Well David this is the first interview we’ve done in awhile and I can sense on the radio the level of glory is stronger than the last time. I guess you just got the overflow from just getting back from Finland. Now the reason that I’m interviewing you is we’ve put together a package called “The Power and the Glory Package.” The reason we did this is I want everyone to walk in the glory of God. Kind of bottom line David; what’s the advantage of people walking in the glory of God as opposed to the way that they are right now?

David: Well a lot of people run off just their gifting or their anointing and they get burned out jut doing their gift and their anointing. Their pulling it from, I call it “Their battery within,” you know they charge up their own little spirit man. But the glory you’re actually accessing it from heavens realm, you’re not just depleting your own reserves. So it’s like basically like Peter. He’s walking down the street and his shadows healing the sick; he’s not necessarily one and one pushing to get each person delivered or healed. But you live in such a realm of heaven’s glory that God’s hand starts to get stretched out on people without you lifting a finger. It’s just a whole another dimension.

Sid: Alright if someone was to mention to you “Oh come on now David you have a special gift everyone can’t just move in that special gift” what would you say?

David: No they can, everybody can have that. The glory is for everybody that’s believer once you’re a believer you have access to it. Just a lot of time “My people perish for lack of knowledge,” they don’t understand how to live in it. That’s why we’re talking about it and writing books and traveling. And once they live in it it’s almost like they’re born again again; it’s like a whole new dimension of God that they never knew that their whole Christian life gets exciting again. Or maybe it got dull in routine; it’s like every morning they can’t wait to wake up and just be with God and see what He’s going to do.

Sid: Now, in the glory some very unusual things have happened. It’s seems as though that once the glory invades a meeting or you walking in a mall, whatever you say it happens instantly. Give me an example.

David: Okay, yeah look like in our meetings for instance and just when the glory’s very high I’ll begin to give words of knowledge and usually the moment I speak the word instantly. Like we had blind eyes open, deaf ears; just someone is getting healed of this bomb, bomb, bomb and it starts to happen. Or in the store; I’m in the grocery store here in Sedona and I’m buying something at the health food store and the lady goes “Oh, my backs hurting.” And I go “Really, hey let me pray for you.” She didn’t ask who I was or anything, I didn’t lay hands on her I just spoke to the back and I said “In Jesus Name back be healed.” And you could hear the bones start to crackle and everybody freaked out and the baggers that were bagging the groceries ran and the other aisles ran to see what was going on. And she said “How did you do that that’s amazing.” And I said “I didn’t Jesus did it and he’s the highest power source.” And she said “Well, in this town everyone worships something but we don’t see stuff that easy, that fast; and you did it nonchalantly like casually like it was no big deal.” So the higher the glory the easier things like this begin to happen.

Sid: I happen to believe that this is God’s moment for a spectacular outpouring of His Spirit, but people that are not equipped to walk in the glory are going to be like. They’ll be on AM and God’s on FM and we want to switch everyone to the God channel. So David why when you understand the glory are you concerned about proper nutrition? We entitled the package “The Power and the Glory.” The glory we understand; the power is your new book called “Jump Start Your Way to Healthy Living.” The miracle of super-foods; new weight loss discoveries, anti-aging techniques. I mean I’ve never seen one book so jamb packed. Now I’m all in favor of alternative health I take vitamins and I believe in this, but why you you’re walking in such glory why would you be doing this type of thing?

David: I noticed over the years I’ve been doing this over 20 years. As you get older which we all are your bodies start to get a little sluggish and I noticed that when I’m tired and I don’t feel in shape physically it does affect me spiritually. Because I can’t pray as long, I can’t travel to certain places I want to go; I want to go to the jungles and I can’t. And I want to be able to do all things and there is… and a lot of the Bible does talk about your health. And so all I noticed was when I start changing my health not only do I feel better physically but something in my spirit begin to open up. I can’t explain it other than that. As I line up my spirit with my spirit on the same level more things began to open. Kind of like Daniel when he went on that vegetable fast for 21 days he was walking in a level of God but when he did that it propelled him into another dimension of God’s Glory and visitation.

Sid: Well I’ll tell you what I love about your new book you cover everything in that in one book. And there’s so many things I want to ask you questions about, but something very few people have ever heard of and that is you talk about body cleanses. What is that?

David: Well a lot of times over the years if you live in America you eat foods that are really toxic, and hormones in the meats, and pharmaceuticals, and a lot of that stuff stays in your body for like years and years and years. And so a lot of times people can start eating healthy or raw diets or organic but it’s kind of like the pipes are blocking the pipes; you got to clear the pipes first. So I know people that try to lose weight but they’ve got like years of fecal matter in their intestines and their colon so they need to cleanse first to get all the junk out. And then the body starts flowing normally, you eat fruit or you eat vegetables or whatever you eat.

Sid: But there are people listening to us right now and they say “I don’t want to do that!” What would you say to them?

David: Well, it’s your choice; but some people won’t live as long because of that. Most sickness I’ve heard it said before, it happens in the colon.   A lot of stuff happen in the colon; a lot of minister I know even in the glory supernatural die really young because they are not healthy. And I asked the Lord about this and I said “How can that be?” And the Lord said they obeyed my spiritual laws so I move in their meetings, but My physical laws of rest, food and health which are in the word. It’s like the law of gravity you jump off the building you fall.

Sid: Well, in my opinion I used to lay hands on people I would get a word of knowledge and I would say everyone with a back problem come up. And I would lay hands on people and almost everyone would get healed. But every once and a while I would lay hands on someone that was grossly overweight and I can tell you what I thought I didn’t say it; but what I thought is “God’s going to heal you but I believe tomorrow you’ll still have a problem unless you lose the weight.”

David: Exactly, you can get miracle but now God wants us to maintain our health and not every year half to come back for the same problem. So it’s one thing to get a miracle; it’s another thing to keep your miracle and that’s kind of what the books about.

Sid: Now you talk about super-foods that give power and energy. Tell me there’s one that you talk about that intrigues me, the avocado.

David: The avocado is a really; it’s like my friend. (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

David: The avocado is wonderful because it gives you a satisfied feeling. A lot of people they’re hungry and they say “Oh, I need more meat, I need more protein.” A lot of times you’re just craving the healthy fats. You eat an avocado and a lot of times you don’t have that same craving for a lot of meat. And it’s an amazing food; it clears your skin, it helps with your cholesterol levels. It does so many things that’s in the book that explains. And a lot of people that are on raw diets or vegetarian diets they realize that avocados are one of their friends. It helps them to maintain a healthy diet.

Sid: You know I was talking to a friend of mine that’s a medical doctor and he said that God gave us an amazing body. If we would just change the way we eat we would have energy, we would not have stress, we would not be overweight, we would not… I mean he says that “If you change your life style enough you won’t have cancer, you won’t have heart trouble.” I mean your whole body starts operating the way God wanted it to.

David: Oh it’s amazing, I mean like in the book I have a 21 day diet, when they start doing it. The start doing the juicing, they start doing the raw foods and different kinds of foods depending on where they’re at. Even like within the first 24 hours people start feeling amazing physically. Their skin clears up, they do it for 3 days and start dropping the weight. Then something happens in their spirit man; when they start losing weight, losing the toxins somehow spiritually there’s something that opens up and they get more excited about God. They want to start praying; kind of like when you go to a nature place; let’s say you’re from New York, and then you’re in Colorado in the mountains you feel more spiritual when you’re in God’s creation that God created. When you eat natural healthy raw foods something also happens, you feel different than just eating toxic…

Sid: Whoa, whoa, whoa our time is slipping away and I’m so interested in what David speaking about.

Sid: Now my guest really needs no introduction if you’ve heard of Promise Keepers you’ve heard of the person that started it Coach Bill McCartney. This is an organization that had as many as 1.4 million Christians from every denomination; from every background. I mean and that is a supernatural feat to get all of these men together to worship the Lord. But to get to Promise Keepers God had to work with him in other arenas. As a matter of fact God is working with you; you may not realize this but God has something great He has a destiny of greatness. Why do I say this? Because I believe that we’re in the generation that will welcome the return of the Messiah. And to whom much is given much is required. But everything that you’ve done thus far is a stepping stone to the next thing. So I want to find out a bit about Coach Bill McCartney of how he got to the point where God could use him for Promise Keepers and the new thing that he’s doing right now. Coach, tell me a bit about how you came to the Lord.

Coach: I really had a unique beginning Sid. I was evangelized by the conservative community but discipled by the prophetic community. The guys that discipled me were zealous for the things of God. So early on I was exposed to wholehearted believers who gathered and worshiped God without inhibition. It really served to catapult me so to speak into a fiery pursuit of the things of God.

Sid: Well, when you got into coaching you started putting God first and He started actually giving you game plans.

Coach: He did you know I laugh because a lot of people think God doesn’t care who wins football games but that is not what God’s word says. God’s word in Proverbs 3, 5 and 6 says “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.” It doesn’t say in every way but football, it says in every way. So I took Him at His word and committed everything that I did in football. When I was the assistant coach at Michigan I was the defensive coordinator and it was my responsibility to develop the defensive strategy from week to week. I found God helping me to that and had extraordinary results.

Sid: Tell, me one occasion that you can think of.

Coach: Well, we were going to play a Purdue and Purdue had at that time the all-time total offense leader in the history of college football. His name was Mark Herman. And Purdue was coming to Anarbor; six weeks leading up to us they had averaged 45 points a game. So you know this is a tremendous challenge and so as I heal this before the Lord He gave me a game plan that really at that time was unique to even the professional ranks.

Sid: Did you realize it was coming supernaturally or did it just kind of evolve and “Oh, this must be God?”

Coach: Oh no, I jumped up and down I said “I got it; I’ve got it.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Coach: I mean I ran around the room and I knew that God had spoken to me.

Sid: And needless to say you won.

Coach: And we not only won but we shut them out; we beat them 26 to nothing.

Sid: Wow.

Coach: It shocked the college football world; this was 1980.

Sid: That must have been have put your name on the map as an Assistant Coach.

Coach: Well, what happened was the big Ten Conference, this was a matter of record; they named me the Big Ten Player of the week. Now that’s absurd because it never happened before when any coach was named Player of the Week, but it was just evidence that God was building my faith. He was speaking into me; He was teaching me that I could trust His voice.

Sid: Just for those that are not knowledgeable of football can you explain a little bit about what God said for a layman as far as this special plan that you just shut down this high scoring team.

Coach:   Yes sir. What happened was what we would do is go out and practice and we filmed everything that we did on the practice field and then as coaches we would have dinner; the players would go on an study and what not and back to their dorms or fraternities. And the coaches would come back into the meeting room; so we were watching what we were doing during the week as we prepared for Purdue. It was obvious that we couldn’t stop out own scout team in practice. It was made up of inferior players that weren’t as good as the other guys on our team. So I’m praying the whole time; I’m saying “Lord You got to help me.”

Sid: Now does your team know that you’re praying?

Coach: No, and the other guys in the room the other assistant coaches don’t know either I’m praying below my breath. I’m saying “Lord help me; I got to have help me I don’t know what to do.” And right in the midst of that the idea that He gave me was that if we defended them with 6 defensive backs in the game at one time we could match up with them. Well that… currently today it’s pretty customary for teams to do that on occasion, but back then nobody was doing that.

Sid: So you really caught them by surprise.

Coach: Well, they couldn’t adjust to it.

Sid: (Laughing)

Coach: Well, we had them off balance the whole game. They couldn’t hardly make a first down after the 1^st quarter. So it was just one of those things that really shocked and surprised the college football world and it built my faith.

Sid: And you got a few awards for that particular activity.

Coach: Well, that particular game I was named the Big Ten Player of the Week but it did lead to my being hired. It was instrumental to my being hired as the Head Football Coach at Colorado shortly thereafter.

Sid: Now you had a prophetic word about that, “You will be His Rock in Boulder.”

Coach: What happened was when I got hired at Colorado and elderly lady from the east I’ve never met her; never heard from her before or since. She wrote me a letter within one week of me being hired and she said “Coach McCartney, Almighty God told me to tell you that you will be His Rock in Boulder.” And not only that I got a letter; I had 4 guys from the state of Texas make an appointment to see me. I’m still only 1 week on the job and they said “Coach God sent us here to tell you that He’s going to use you greatly in the days ahead.” Well, what do you do with those things except you carry them in your head and you hold them before the Lord and you trust that He’s going to glorify Himself.

Sid: Tell me about that time that you were really involved in intense practice and all of sudden the worst time of the world your Pastor comes trolling down the football field to see you. You see him coming you know that you’re so preoccupied, what happened?

Coach: This is a great story. It was 1989 the best record that we had had in Colorado in my 8 years there was 8 and 4. We were looking forward in having a great team and we were practicing in August during two day sessions. These two day sessions are very intense; everything that we do has been discussed and rehearsed in advance meaning we don’t do anything indiscriminately. Every play that we practice we have discussed it and researched it. So it was in the midst of that kind of a laboratory experience that I look over and the pastor of my church is running out on to the practice field. And I’m thinking to myself “Pastor don’t come out here.” I’m kind of giving him body language and you know and it would be tantamount to him preaching on Sunday and me tapping him on the shoulder and interrupting him. I mean you wouldn’t do that.

Sid: Hm.

Coach: But he’s undeterred, he gets there he says “Coach, coach you’re not going to believe this.” He said “I had a dream last night, and in the dream God showed me that your team is going to have a golden season and you personally will be the national coach of the year.” Well, we haven’t even played the game yet and he’s got me winning the National Coach of the Year. So obviously you know when he…

Sid: There’s a Hebrew word he’s a little “Mashuga” he’s a little crazy. Did you think or did you believe that was from God?

Coach: He had my full attention and matter of fact I was no longer offended that he was out there.

Sid: (Laughing)

Coach: And I was ready for anything that he was going to tell me. Well, he wrote it all down and two weeks later we opened on National Television the first game of the season it was a home game. And we played the University of Texas; we win the game and the next day in the Denver post right across the front page it says in bold letters, “Colorado Buffaloes Debut Golden Season.” I mean the very thing he said.

Sid: And the end of the year what happened?

Coach: One game and having people call it a Golden Season. Furthermore you don’t win one game and make the Front Page; you make the Sports Page.

Sid: Hm

Coach: But anyway it happened just like he said; we won all 11 games; I was voted the National Coach of the Year and we had a Golden Season.

Sid: I love it when it’s true prophetic words from God. Coach we’re out of time right now.

SID: All right. I just found some outrageous miracles from Alice. But the purpose of a miracle is to grab someone’s undivided attention to hear the good news that God loves them and God sent His son to die for them. So these two people that you talked about in the previous segment, did they receive the Lord?

ALISS: Yeah, they both gave their lives to Jesus.

SID: Now you did a little survey in 2009, when you opened one of your shops, and how many miracles occurred in that time?

ALISS: Well it worked out one every single day for almost a year.

SID: Can you imagine if every business in your country, in your city had a shop like that? There would be, do you realize that every shopkeeper that did this would be declared a saint by the Catholic Church? You do know that. But Alice, now you thought it was outrageous before. You know what? Eye has not seen nor ear heard all that God has in store for us, for you. Tell me about the Glory cloud showing up. I mean, this isn’t in some church service. This is in the streets. Tell me about it.

ALISS: What happened was I was going to work in the café that day and the Holy Spirit told me that a drug dealer was going to get saved, was going to give his life to Jesus in the café. So I’m sitting in the café that day, I’m chatting to a lady and in walks this young guy that I know is a drug dealer. And I thought, it’s going to be him. So he gets his food, but then he goes outside and sits on the grass with his friends outside the café. And I didn’t want to go and talk to him outside with his friends there. So I said, “Father, would you send one of your angels to go and to get him to come back into the café.” And as soon as I said it, we watched him stand up and come back into the café. So we went just to the door of the café and we just started prophesying to him, telling how much God loved him. He had some issues, some health issues. He had them a long time. We prayed and he was instantly healed. So we called his three friends over and we started prophesying and praying over them, too. And then suddenly, one of them says, “What is that? Is that something to do with God?” And I look up, and right in front of our café, you know, in the middle of this big housing estate with the crime and the drugs, and everything, it’s the biggest, hugest cloud. And it was so thick I couldn’t see through it. I don’t know how high it was.

SID: Were you the only one that saw it?

ALISS: No. These guys said, “What is that? Is that to do with God?” And it was about a hundred feet from, you know, wide.

SID: These drug dealers are saying, what is that? That’s the type of signs we need. Do you agree? What is that?

ALISS: And I so wish I had taken a photo. But I just, I said, “I think that is the Glory cloud. It’s the presence of God.” And the first thought in my head, I just said it out, I said, “Who wants to get saved? Who wants to give their life to Jesus?” And they all said, “Yeah, we want to get saved!” So I said, “Well, I don’t know how to explain what it means.” I said, “Do you know your life is going to change. Your life will no longer be your own.” And I said, “Who wants to get saved now?” “Yeah, yeah, we really want that. We want a new life.” So they came right into the center of the café, people all around eating their food, you know, my mother-in-law sitting there, watching it all. They get on their knees, all of them, and me and this other woman, we hold hands in a circle right in the middle of the café, and they confess their sins. They give their lives to Jesus. The Holy Spirit comes. They get down on the floor. I say, “Father, by the presence of God.” Isn’t that amazing?

SID: Listen Alice, everything you tell me makes me sound like I’m reading the Bible. But that is normal. I want you to be normal, normal as defined by the Bible. What about the woman that had MS and could not walk for 24 years?

ALISS: She was in a tri-wheelchair. Her neighbor brought her into the café. She believed in God, but didn’t believe that He wanted to heal her. So I gave her a couple of scriptures. We were busy. Were just finishing up. I prayed for her and I said, “In two days’ time you’re going to be healed.” Two days later, I get a phone call to say that she stood up out of her wheelchair. I mean, she had no feeling, no movement from the waist down. She stands up out of her wheelchair and she sits back in it. A few days later, they bring her back into the café and we move her wheelchair out of the way. And she was scared. She had not used her legs for 24 years. And we held on to her. And she gets up out of the wheelchair and she begins to move her legs. I mean, her muscles have come back. The miracle is just happening. People are sitting there watching this. They start cheering, [unintelligible] sitting there. They’re applauding her. She walks. She lets go of us and she walks all the way across and back again, and comes and sits in a normal chair. She said, “I never knew that God wanted to heal me, but now I do.” She was so blessed. We were crying.

SID: But you know, have you read about in the Bible, Phillip, and he found himself in another city. He got actually transported. Now I can see Phillip being transported, but a non-believer? Tell me.

ALISS: There’s this lady who knew nothing about Jesus. She comes into our café. She got a son in prison and another in trouble with police. “Please pray for me,” she says. “My family are about to go on vacation. It’s a two-hour drive, but I’ve been there before, if you can just pray a blessing on me and my family.” So we prayed a blessing. She gets into her car. She’s heading for Hafan Holiday Park Pwllheli in Wales, on the coast. Five hours later, she realizes she’s in the middle of Wales. All she could see are mountains and sheep, no sign of any people at all. It must be hours away from Hafan Holiday Park, Pwllheli. She said, “God, please help me to get to Hafan Holiday, Pwllheli. She said, “If you can get me there, I will give my life to you and I will be a good person for the rest of my life.” Well she’s driving along, and suddenly, it’s getting dark. Her headlights switch off. Her GPS switches off. Her phone switches off. All of a sudden at the same time, she screams. She slams her foot on the break. She looks out of the window and there is Hafan Holiday Park, Pwllheli.

SID: How long did this whole thing take?

ALISS: I don’t know. It’s just instant. Instantly, she got there.

SID: So who worries about not having enough gasoline? I mean, that is normal.

ALISS: I’ve got to say, you know, she comes back into our café after this two-week vacation. She comes back. She was kind of a bit reticent to tell us what had happened. She felt really stupid. I said, “You know, it’s just like Phillip in Samaria. She said, “I want to give my life to God like I promised Him. What do I need to do?” So there and then, she confessed and she gave her life to Jesus, and her two sons gave their lives to Jesus, too.

SID: Now Alice told me that she saw angels in our studio digging wells. And there’s going to be an explosion of healing. We’ll be right back