Sid: Now when I interviewed my guest on television I made a proclamation, that there will be more miracles from this man’s being a guest on my television than we have ever done in history. Well it’s still too new to know, however, I’m going to make that same proclamation now. We are going to have more miracles as a result of this interview on radio, than any guest I have ever had. His name is Charles Ndifon, he’s from Nigeria. I had the privilege of meeting him when we did the television show, but I guess the thing that intrigued me so much about Charles was I got ahold of an out of print book by a Danish journalist, he wasn’t a believer, and he recorded what happened when a secular television station went into one of Charles Ndifon’s meetings and tried to expose it as phony. Now I’m speaking to Charles at his office in Johnston, Rhode Island. Charles tell me about that incident where the television station came in to film miracles taking place, and they actually had a plant.
Charles: Yes, what happened was they were making a series of television programs, and it had to do with the supernatural. They’ve been to the psychics and all the people just to see whether their powers were real. So what happened was when they came at the end of the fourth program they were about to quit because they were about to say that nothing happened supernaturally. So they heard about this African that had come and there were miracles happening. They heard it from the National Television Program, and they’re reporting the program. So they decided to test it and see whether this thing was real. I wasn’t aware of the situation I was just told there some television people that want to interview you. Well they had come in there and they begin to ask “How does it happen? We’ve heard a lot of people make claims, but we really haven’t seen anything like what they say.” So they were saying “How do you prepare for a meeting?” I said “Well I just sit down and read my Bible, listen to some worship music and relax,” and they were very surprised. So they asked me “How does it work?” I said “It’s like the wind that blows you don’t see the wind, but you see the effects of the wind. Same thing with the Spirit of God when He comes into a place, the people’s lives are totally changed; you can see some that are worked in, and the next moment something miraculous has happened.” So at the end of the interview they said “By the way, we brought somebody here who is blind I hope that you can do something about it.” I just thought “Well just let him come to the meeting just like everyone else.” I didn’t know they had the man position with a microphone on him, and they said “Can we put a microphone on you just to make sure we know what is going on?” I guess they were trying to basically find out whether I was going to say something, or somebody was going to tell me something, I don’t know what they were up to. For me I was doing my normal thing. They had been to the meetings except me. What happened was they had begun to interview the sick that were there asking them if it was their first time. The people would reply “Yeah this is my first time I’ve never been to the meeting before.” They said “What are you expecting?” They said “We don’t know we’ve just heard about it and we came.” They had the camera on this man that was blind and all the camera was on me when I walked into the meeting in usual style I just walked and said “Hi Hi,” and walked right to the front.
Sid: In other words this is a secular television crew that had seen a lot of New Age psychics that were really phonies and they figured well I’m gonna get this Christian. So had you all setup, so again what happened next?
Charles: I immediately said “Somebody is being of this to my right,” and described exactly what it was. It was a man that was crippled and he came up, he’s from Greenland and he came up there. I said “Somebody else is being healed of…” I mentioned exactly what the condition was and I pointed to the lady and she came up to the front. They were very surprised. All of a sudden there were about 10 people that had come to the front. I said “Well Jesus is alive let me show how real He is.” What I did was I just turned around and the first gentlemen I said “Come on let me have your crutches.” Instantly the man was healed he began to scream “Yes, yes, yes” and he began to move his feet, and he realized his feet were totally healed, and he began to walk and the people would clap their hands. I have no idea where the man was that was blind because there were several people that were blind in the meetings. There was this particular man had a patch in his eyes, and I was told there was a man who had his optic nerve cut-off by an accident and he’s been depressed. So I got a moment to teach them the realities of Jesus. After I was done teaching I made a call for those that want to experience Christ’s life, that wanted to receive Jesus. Immediately the people came up to the front, and this gentleman came up to me and said “My vision I had optic nerve cut-off. I said “Oh just come believe the same way everyone else believes, believe the good news you’ve heard, and God will do what he says he will do.”
Sid: This was the plant who was miked.
Charles: I did know who he was. Then I noticed when he was talking with me the television people were very interested you know, all of a sudden the television cameras came very close to see what I was going to do. (Laughing) I told them I was not really going to do much God has done it. Then while they were interviewing others that were being healed they would take them outside, those that were crippled and make them run up and down. Well I had no idea that they were doing this. It was later on when the television program was shown I realized they took the people that were crippled and make them run up and down just to prove these miracles were authentic. I was surprised when found that it was good. What happened was this gentleman that was blind INSTANTLY he got up, the television crew was outside testing people. When they heard his voice screaming “I can see! I can see!” the guy grabbed my shoulders and he said “I can really see.” He was trying to convince me he had been healed.
Charles: I say to him “I believe you.” He was very surprised. He said “I can really see! I can see!” He didn’t know what happened it happened so quickly INSTANTLY that he was giggling, and this was the man who was depressed. Totally healed, the television people descended on him and they asked him “Are you really sure?” He said “Yes!” and they checked his eyes, and they checked him, and they checked him and was just perfectly healed. He said “I don’t know what happened it, it happened just like that.”
Sid: You know Mishpochah I have documentation… I mean I can see the picture of the man who had the optic nerve severed; he could see, and it was all setup on television. Now Charles is it true in Denmark there were a hundred thousand verified miracles in your ministry?
Charles: Yes. This is what the secular media said, the secular media said “In 3 years between 2000 and 2003 they had an accounting of at least a hundred thousand people that had been healed just in Denmark alone.”
Sid: I want to take you back to 1987 because you had an encounter with Jesus that was life changing. Tell me about that.
Charles: Yeah what happened was, I was so hungry for His presence, I was so hungry for Jesus. I read the scripture that said “If you love Me My Father and I will come and manifest ourselves to you.” I said “Jesus I love you, I really want to see this become a reality in my life. I had heard about people that had encountered Jesus because I had a hunger and a desire for it. I said “Jesus if you did for them you did it for me.” I was on campus fasting and you know, getting on the word. Then what happened was they were sending us forth on a Saturday afternoon just a normal day, but they were sending us forth to go and preach the gospel around the nations. A gentleman just walked up to me laid hands on me, he had just preached a simple message he was laying hands on all the graduates laid hands on me. When he touched my head and went to the next person immediately. Jesus appeared to me my eyes were not closed, this was about 3:00 in the afternoon. I was looking at Him, it was amazing the moment I saw Him everything else paled in that room. It seemed like I wasn’t standing with anybody else, it was just the afternoon. So it wasn’t like I was dreaming, I’m a very practical person, I like to make sure things are authentic. So what I did was I said “Okay.” When I saw Jesus there the first thought that came to my mind was “I’m so sorry,” I thought I had died or something. Something had happened to me I could not contain His presence. I was “I’m so sorry whatever sin I’ve committed forgive me” as I was going up I noticed His gaze was so full of love. He never condemned me He just looked at me. My body could not contain His presence, I couldn’t contain His presence. So what happened was He looked at me and He said to me “Preach the gospel. As I was with those in the past so I will be with you. If the people would believe what you tell them nothing will be impossible, no sickness will be able to stand against your command.” Then He said “Preach the gospel” again, “Don’t get into argument just preach the gospel.” Then He did something, when He was talking I heard what He said but I wouldn’t say I was frightened, His presence was overwhelming. He wasn’t condemning me, but I felt so unworthy of being in His presence. Then He did something just walked right into my body and I fell like a dead man. I was there for hours; I guess people must have tried to move me; they couldn’t move me. When I got up several hours later I was drenched in my tears I’d been weeping and sobbing and I’d just encountered Jesus, He was so real to me. When I got up I knew the person I proclaimed was not dead He was really alive. Shortly after that I went to the university hospital where 10 cases were left to die, and instantly they were being healed one right after the other.
Sid: Terminal cases left to die…
Sid: How many were healed
Charles: There were about 20 of them there, all 20 of them were healed. The whole ward was discharged.
Sid: Now since that encounter you had with Jesus where He literally walked into you, and He made a promise He’d be with you as He was with those you read about in the Bible. Have there been any diseases or situations such as you read in the New Testament that have been able to stand against the anointing if they believe?
Charles: It’s been amazing what we’ve seen happen. Some of the things I see the miracles occur, the first that comes to mind “I know I’m in His presence. I know no man can do those things.”
Sid: Charles I’m sorry were out of time.