SID: So God spoke to you there and said you weren’t called to be hid behind bars, you were called to be a prophet.

HAKEEM: What happened was once I made the decision and I said, yes Lord, I will answer the call, I will obey, I was there for about 12 hours. Once I made that decision then maybe like ten minutes later they released me.

SID: Okay. You’re out of prison, but there was a visible difference in you from before that happened. Describe that.

HAKEEM: Yes. Once I was released from jail I would say maybe a week later I will be coming out of a restaurant or I will come out of a store and people, a stranger, will come up to me and say, “There’s something on you. Who are you? I see something different about you and what is that?” Now I didn’t even know what was on me. But because they saw something different they began to inquire. And so they asked me, “Do you minister? Do you preach?” And I, so they said, “Well I want you to come preach, I want you to come to my church and preach. I want to hear what God has to say through you.”

SID: Okay. So you know that God has called you to prophesy. They could see something on him. He didn’t have a sign. They saw something. That something was God. So he goes to the church to do what God has equipped him to do to prophesy. But God did more. There’s a blind man there. What happened?

HAKEEM: Well yes. So I know I had a call to the prophetic and then I’m looking, and the door opens up of the church while I’m ready to minister, and I see people coming in with wheelchairs and crutches, and so forth. And so as I begin to preach I saw this guy who was blind and I began to minister to him, and I began to say, “How is your sight?” He said he couldn’t see. And so I began to pray for him and nothing happened. And so I was discouraged, but I continued to just pray. And then one thing that I did, I said, let me just shift it. Let me just speak the Word. Let me prophesy over him. And I began to prophesy over him and I said, “God is going to open your eyes in seven days.” Seven days later I received a phone call from his pastor that said, “The man that you prophesied over can see.” God opened his eyes supernaturally.

SID: You know what I’m really fascinated by this gifting, all of his spiritual senses are open. He sees words over people’s head. Tell me about one person with cancer.

HAKEEM: Yes. I was in a meeting and I was just ready to wrap up and the Spirit of God gave me a revelation. As I was looking into the crowd I began to see words and one of the words was “cancer”. And so I called out. It was a word of knowledge. I called out, I said, “There is someone in here that has cancer. God wants to heal.” This woman came forward. And so as I began to look at her, I began to just prophesy. I was not going to lay hands on her. I wanted to declare the Word of God. Sid, this is what God gave me. He said if I reveal it, I can heal it. If God reveals it, he can heal it. I am not the miracle worker. I’m just a conduit. And so he revealed this hovering, this word “cancer” and I saw it, the Spirit, call it out. And she came forth, and I saw the condition. But I wanted to speak the word that God will heal you. And I spoke the word and she fell out under the power of God. When she got back up, of course, I couldn’t see that she was healed, but I believed it, because I believed the word that was spoken. I believed what I was declaring over her and I began to command her body to be made whole. Two months later I got a report that she is cancer-free.

SID: Hakeem, there was a man that was a friend of mine who is now in Heaven that was a prophet seer like you, that prayed over you and sharpened your gifts. Tell me a bit about that.

HAKEEM: Yes. Bob Jones was like a papa, father, prophet in my life, and he was a seer prophet. And I went to his home several years ago and what happened was while I was there sitting, conversating with him, he asked me, “Do you want to meet my friend?” And I said, looking around like, who’s your friend? We have people here. And he was referring to Papa. He was referring to the Lord. And I said, sure. And he said, “Then I want to activate you and I want to cause you to be raptured up.” He used the word “rapture”. In my mind, theology, I will think rapture or so forth, I’m thinking right now it’s the end?

SID: That’s it. Bye-bye.

HAKEEM: And so while I’m sitting there, he said, “No, you can be called up, raptured. You can be called up right now.” We are seated in heavenly places right now with Christ. And so he wanted to activate that. And so I said, sure. And he said, “I am going to activate you.” And so he told me to close my eyes. I closed my eyes and he said, “Take a deep breath.” I took a deep breath and he said, “What do you feel? What do you see?” And I began to tell him what I feel. I said, “I feel these wings.” He said, “These are the angels.” And while I was feeling these supernatural expressions, feelings, I bumped into a vision. God opened my eyes and I began to see in the heavenly realm. God began to show me this tree. This tree had life flowing. It was green, but it was moving. Then I saw these riverbeds. They were like streams, a river. And then I literally saw these eyes, but these eyes that I looked were like eyes of fire. And while I was there I was kind of a little afraid because I’m like, what is it I’m experiencing? I’m in Bob Jones’ living room, but I’m in heavenly places right now. And so while I’m seeing these eyes I’m feeling the peace and the love, this liquid love that I felt surround me. And then I heard this sound, this like a trumpet, and I came out of the vision. And from that day my prophetic senses were open. Bob Jones was used, instrumental, to activate the seer realm in my life.

SID: I’m going to ask Hakeem to, freely you receive, freely you give, to freely pray in the Messiah’s name that these gifts will be activated in you, when we come back. Be right back.

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SID: Tell me some of the faith killers that stop us from being naturally supernatural.

LAURA: You know, what happens when you pray for someone to be healed and they’re not, and then months later, you get a call at 2:00 in the afternoon saying, someone has had a horrible wreck, will you come do to the hospital with me and pray. And there’s something inside of you that says, it didn’t work last time, why is it going to work this time. But what you have to do is you have to step back and look at what Scripture says about the act of praying over someone, laying hands on someone, and you have to quit preaching your experience and preach the Word. If you do not do that, you will begin to change your theology. Your doctrine will start shifting everywhere. So that’s what I really try to do first is tether people back to the Word. And why are my prayers not answered? Where are my prophesies, you know, the fulfillment to my prophesies? All of these things, they’re going to get up every day and they’re going to read a devotional that deals with what I call these 30 universal faith toxins. But we start there with the Word and with their spirit and then turn our attention to their emotions. And there are prayers that they pray to deal with the residues of that faith toxin. Think about this.

SID: Let’s take all the traumas that we’ve had.

LAURA: Exactly.

SID: The rejection we’ve had, failures that we’ve had.

LAURA: Grief, anger.

SID: They all take a toll on us.

LAURA: They do.

SID: How do we deal with it?

LAURA: Well you have to really, you have to confront those Goliaths. You have to admit, I was wounded walking through that. When my church split in two or when my church died, it hurt me. It wounded me. How am I going to deal with that grief? I have a lot of people to forgive, you see. So yes, we pray these healing prayers in there that deal with the emotional residues of each faith toxin and then turn our attention to the correlating body detox. So I’m telling you, by the end of the 30 days, the devil has no place left in you that he can throw a hook and keep you back from your future. So you can’t just stuff and stuff, and stuff things that happen. You have to confront them and remove them from your life.

SID: I want you to lead us in one prayer to get rid of some of these toxins.

LAURA: I would love to. All right. Heavenly Father, I thank you right now that you have created us body, mind and spirit. First of all, we just repent for not acknowledging that. On any level, any place where you have not been whole, where you have ignored your body, just tell the Lord right now, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Any place where you have ignored your emotions and not allowed yourself to be real, just tell him, I’m sorry, no more. And any place in your spirit where you have not made him Lord, where you have maybe not even awakened to the Holy Spirit to fill you up, just tell him, Lord, I’m sorry. And now, right now receive a fresh impartation in all three. And I just declare over you that no weapon that has formed against you will prosper. Not a single one. You are going to come out of this fire not even smelling like smoke. And now I pray that it would be a testimony to God that he would be famous because of the testimony in your life. You have struggled and you have been through hardship. But guess what, you’re still standing. You’re still alive. So put praise in your mouth. Thank God for what he’s doing because he can make a message out of your mess, a testimony out of your test and a triumph out of every trial you’ve been through. Just tell him, I receive a new anointing right now, Lord. I receive healing for my body, I receive healing for my mind and I receive healing for my spirit. Make me whole. Amen. Now it’s done.

SID: God wants you to have a new beginning. There is the natural and there is the supernatural, and you are a three part being, just as God is a three-part being. If you don’t, you know, a wise man once said, the definition of insanity, keep doing things the same way and expect different results.

LAURA: That’s right.

SID: Well we Jewish people have a word for it. It’s meshuga. That means crazy. Make sure Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. Tell him you’re sorry for your sins. Believe that his blood wiped away your sins and paid everything for your sins. Then ask him to live inside of you and believe his grace, his enabling power will allow you to overcome every problem in your life in Jesus’ name. Do it right now.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

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SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. My guest is the son of one of the greatest healing evangelists in history. He’s the son of Oral Roberts. His name is Richard Roberts. But this is what you don’t know. Five months ago he was activated to a new level of healing. I am expecting the greatest outpouring of miracles we have ever had. We’re ready for a Holy Spirit explosion.

We now return to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Now I read the statistic that you gave me. The U.S. Center for Disease Control says there are 140 toxic chemicals that cause 70 percent of chronic diseases. By the way, being a minister, why in the world did you go out and get that certificate as a nutritionist? Why?

LAURA: Because I saw that we were not whole. The army of God was not whole. We were treating one-third or two-thirds of ourselves and the enemy had a way in. He had a way in to wiggle through and cause chaos in our lives. We are not even Christian if we don’t have faith because it took faith to become a Christian. So that’s why the enemy comes after our faith. So statistics like that or also even Harvard University, Harvard Medical Center, they came out with a study that said, it was called “The Gut Brain Connection”, and that connection showed that there is such a link in between your brain and what happens in your digestive track. Think about what happens when you have stage fright. You’re nervous up here and your tummy gets upset or you have a gut reaction. They found that they were so connected they should be considered one body system. So what that tells me is that what you eat affects what you think. And the Bible is very clear about what you think affects your faith. So I’m proposing that what you eat can indirectly affect your faith.

SID: I’ve actually never heard that before. But what she’s saying is food can affect your faith and it’s actually been scientifically proven. How about fasting? What happens when we fast? How does that help us?

LAURA: That is proof that food affects your spirit. When you fast, you are removing the thing that, or many things, that is causing you to grow in your flesh instead of in your spirit. How did sin enter the world in the Garden of Eden? Eve baked that apple pie or whatever it was.

SID: That’s not what happened.

LAURA: I know. Whatever it was, it was through her appetite. And Esau sold his birthright for a pot of stew. Satan even tempted Jesus and said, “Turn these stones into bread.” So appetite is so usable by God. If you will have appetites up for him and if you will satisfy your natural appetite with the things that he shows you, that is supernatural.

SID: Now tell me a few things you might have done to get the toxins out of your body.

LAURA: Well the program that I put people on, the 30-day program, remember I told you about those five categories that the prayer requests fell into, I break people’s 30 days down into five, those five categories of their lives, every prayer that they pray. And each one has six days. We spend six days on your relationships, six days on your finances. There’s a devotional for each day. You want to go in and say, Lord, what happened to my marriage? What happened? Why can’t I get ahead? Why can’t I get healed? Why can’t I get promoted? Whatever. And then each of those six days, we detox three body systems, spending two days on each. And I found—

SID: Take one.

LAURA: Okay. This is a perfect example. When we’re studying relationships, we are spending six days digging deeply into every relationship around you, above you, beneath you, and it just so happens that the color vegetable that is very good for the body system we’re detoxing that week, which is the heart, your cardiovascular system, your circulatory system, that particular week we’re going to eat a lot of reds. Isn’t that easy to remember? Reds in the heart. So it contains a little something called lycopene. And everybody is trying to put it in a pill form now. Take your lycopene pill. I think just reach for some strawberries or some red grapes, or some red peppers. Easier, cheaper, much better for the body.

SID: I was asking you, actually yesterday, it just seemed to me that just a few days isn’t going to be long enough to detox a liver, a heart.

LAURA: Right. But here’s the issue. God has already given us filters in our bodies. Our lungs filter, our kidneys, our liver, even our skin, it has a million little mouths on it. All right. So we already have filters. But we spend two days on each of those filters cleaning them out so that they can do their job because God has already designed our body to do the job for us. But many people, if I can say, get their filter gets dirty, and eventually what happens is, because their bodies are worn down, it does affect their faith. There is no questioning, no getting around it. If you feel ill in your body you are going to have a more difficult time approaching your Christian walk with fervor, with confidence, with faith. So it is so connected. We cannot segregate them. And I get very, can you tell I’m very passionate about this message.

SID: Now there’s a fringe benefit, by the way, because people that she’s taught this course for, they lose a lot of weight. Give me an example of one person.

LAURA: Well I’m just going to tell you. I have one person who’s very close to me and he said, okay, well I’ll do it. So he goes on this faith detox and he’s losing weight immediately, like five pounds, 10 pounds. He loses, in the course of the 30 days, he loses 22 pounds and he is so transformed by it, body, mind and spirit that he says, “I think I’m just going to continue eating this way.” So he does and now a week out, he’s now up to 25 pounds that he’s lost. It’s not water loss and it is not protein loss. You eat four to five times a day, eat or drink something four to five times a day. You’re not going to go hungry and nothing tastes like grass. You have my word. But it’s just amazing to me to hear that story along with other stories from men and women. And these are not just people who have tons of weight to lose. But I am hearing from people all over the United States, all over the world, 17 pounds in 17 days, four pounds in the first five days. And they’ll say the first four days was a real kicker, but now I have more energy and more focus, and my body is fueled with the right things.

SID: You know, when we come back I want to find some simple supernatural ways to detox our faith. Be right back.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What is the condition of your faith? Your faith today is based on your experiences from the past. Too many people have not seen the results they’re looking for and as a result have lowered their expectations. Too many people, because of not seeing the results they expected, have actually changed their theology. It’s time for a faith detox. It’s time, because Jesus is getting ready to return, it’s absolutely time for a 30-day adventure in the supernatural of God to be normal, normal as defined by the Bible. You know, there are invisible toxins that are affecting people’s faith. For instance, Laura, I remember when I was a brand new believer I went to a Kenneth Hagin meeting and he taught about how to stand on the Word of God. I got home and a loved one developed cancer.

LAURA: Right.

SID: And I had not developed my understanding of the Word of God, and as a result, I was devastated.

LAURA: Right.

SID: We really have an enemy that is trying to undermine the Word of God. Now here you are a pastor’s wife. You’ve got six children.

LAURA: I do.

SID: And you’ve seen all sorts of miracles. But then it happens to you.

LAURA: Right.

SID: Height of your life. What happened?

LAURA: Yes. Well the enemy has always tried to use health issues with me. But four years ago my king size life really caught up with me. You can’t forget the [       ] children. You know, the big family, and yes, my husband and I pastored this church. There’s my writing. I’m involved in so many things and that’s fine. Many people love what they do. But I was giving myself only four to five hours sleep a night. And I went to the doctor for something totally unrelated and a test came back showing that I was on the brink of adrenal failure. Basically it is stage 4 is when all of your organs shut down. They’re no longer being fueled by your adrenalin and your cortisol. Well I was in stage 3, so I was told make changes or die. So I went on total bed rest and then I was told 18 to 24 months it would take to turn around, really wake up all of my organs. And thanks to using food as medicine, and I still believe I received a miracle, because in six months I was the picture of health.

SID: And you know what’s so amazing? You can see she’s a very vital type of person. But you say you have more vitality now than you had when you were in high school.

LAURA: Yes, I really do. And I believe in the supernatural power of God, the regeneration of our youth. But we have to give God something to work with. I believe in miracles, but I’m telling you, Sid, at the church where we pastor in Nashville, Eastgate, I have always noticed that when people come to the altar for prayer they want a miracle, but they don’t want to steward it afterwards. And that really began to sadden my heart, and so I noticed that the people who came to the altar, their prayers all fell into one of five categories. It was either for their health, their finances, their relationships, the social issues going on in the world around them or their own personal identity. And so I began to work with people in those five areas getting their faith bolstered in those areas, but doing it with a three-pronged approach: body, mind and spirit.

SID: It’s, you know, most Christians they recognize they have to do something about their emotions, their hurts.

LAURA: Yes, some do, yes.

SID: They might realize it, but most don’t do it.

LAURA: Right.

SID: But most Christians, the last thing they think about is their body.

LAURA: It’s so sad. It’s taking so many people out. We are putting ammunition in the enemy’s gun and he would love nothing more than to take out the army of God. So yes, we’ve done a great job in the last few decades educating Christians on spiritual warfare and emotional warfare, the battlefield of the mind. But we must, we must as a church rise up and get healthy and give God less crisis intervention, you know, prayers to pray, just so that we can live our everyday lives in a strong place. Live long, live strong.

SID: But when you teach, you teach you have to do this three-prong approach. What, coming into, this is the last of the last days.

LAURA: I believe you’re right, Sid.

SID: We’re going to see the greatest miracles of all that is ever seen. But I believe that Christians, because they read in the Word you’re going to be healed, and that’s true.

LAURA: It is true.

SID: They don’t take care of their body as much as, say, non-believers.

LAURA: Well and First Thessalonians 5:23 says that, “You will be kept blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus, body, mind and spirit.” So we can receive some blame for some of the things that we do. I’ve had people come and ask for prayer for digestive issues, and when I asked them what they eat, they say, trash. And I just think, oh Father, there’s a difference in healing and Divine health, and I want both. That’s what I want. I want both. So through that whole experience, I went through, I actually wound up going back to school to become a nutritionist.

SID: How did you get better, actually?

LAURA: Well honestly, I am a farmer’s daughter, so I’ve always had an appreciation for vegetables, but this was so much more. This involved reinventing myself at night really being willing to lay down and waste time in sleep, eight to nine hours sleep every night. And really, I’ve always been a Sabbath keeper, but that became very, very important in terms of totally unplugging once a week. I mean, we turn our phones off. We just pull in as a family. And then also, using specific foods, I call them organ-friendly foods, the vegetables, different colors, are really good for specific organs. And if you learn what those are, you can eat them every day and know that you’re nourishing that particular organ.

SID: I found that fascinating because I’m not that knowledgeable in this area. But you found that just in a couple of days you can detox each organ using the medicine of food. I love that.

LAURA: But that’s really the miracle is that how God has created our bodies to begin with, he has created them that they want to be well. If we will give them the right fuel, they will turn around. Now I keep saying, you know, prevention as in you won’t get sick to begin with. But it also is, I’m living proof there is healing. God gave us things on the third day of creation and all of the seed-bearing plants and our vitamins, and our minerals. I was on some supplements at the time. But nothing had a childproof cap. It was all made for a vegetable or a fruit or what have you, and I am just such a proponent now. I have everyone in my family doing this. If I can turn my Titanic-sized family around, you know, then anybody can do it.

SID: Okay. When we come back, how would you like to find the secrets, the supernatural secrets she found to detox your spirit, your soul and your body so you can be normal. I’ll be right back.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for Jesus, and if this week doesn’t do it for you nothing will because I have on the telephone Ed Hindson who is the assistant chancellor at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. He’s teamed up with Lee Fredrickson a high-tech futurist, and written a book called “Future Wave – End Times Prophecy and The Technology Explosion.” Some of the concepts I have to tell that are brought out in this book I’ve never even speculated on. For instance, I’ve never even heard the word before but it’s called the “Nanotechnology Wave.” What is that?

Ed:  Nanotechnology is the ability now in technology with the microscopes to go right down to the atomic level. They are not only able to deal with the human genes, and we’ll talk about that in a minute, and get down to the level of the tiniest cells of the human body, but they are now talking about getting down to the atomic level. We know how to split an atom and now figuring out that there are ways you can operate on an atom so to speak. You can begin to change the atomic structure of things. Nanotechnology has ultimately as its goal, the ability for example, to change the atomic structure of the paint on your wall. So that…

Sid:  So what advantage is it to change atomic structure of the paint on your wall?

Ed:  Today I want the room blue, tomorrow I want it green, the next day I want it purple. You…

Sid:  You’re going to put all those painters out of business (laughing)?

Ed:  Yeah! You’ll paint it once and you can make it any color you want it.

Sid:  Wow!

Ed:  You can change the environment so that a person can say “I want a Hawaiian atmosphere in my room when I wake up tomorrow morning,” or “I want an Artic atmosphere.”  “It’s a hot July day I want it to appear to be snowy and cold.” The scary part of all that is the difference between that which is real and that which is only artificially real. Artificial reality is going to become a reality, virtual reality becomes reality. The medium becomes the message pretty soon. We’re more intrigued by what we can create around us artificially than we are in dealing with real life itself. I think that has all kinds of prophetic implications for the future. The so called image of the beast, and getting people to worship this thing and respond to it, is it a statue or is it actually some kind of 3 dimensional hologramic image that is projected out of your television set, and they’re talking about this in the future. Way beyond DVD-TV they’re going to have 3-D where you’ll see the movie taking place all around you. You’re actually in it you’re a part of it so to speak. The next thing you know I’ve got the ability to interact with the characters. Pretty soon the ability to interact with this projected image that says “Bow down and worship me or else.”

Sid:  This sounds like the most hideous form of mind control.

Ed:  It’s beyond what most of us can imagine, but the technology is pushing us into that kind of ability. While all these things start off fairly harmless in the beginning it’s entertaining, it’s fun, it’s exciting whatever. Pretty soon it becomes the reality of our lives. So for example with virtual technology right now you can put on the little headset and actually think that you’re driving a race car, or you can be put in a scene where you are skiing down a mountain but you’re not skiing at all. You can have the same thrill the same excitement of being a world class snow skier without ever setting foot outside your house. You could have the thrill and fear of being chased by a wild animal, etcetera. Once that kind of thing gets more developed than it is now to the point that we’re living in unrealistic virtual reality environments all the time. As an entertainment option…

Sid:  I mean we use television as an escape but imagine what would happen with what you’re describing.

Ed:  The ultimate escape and it’s the ultimate escape from responsibility as well.

Sid:  Hmm. Well this nanotechnology can also be used within human health.

Ed:  Exactly if you can begin to change atomic structure as well as molecular structure in people, you can begin to fix things that are genetically wrong in the human body.

Sid:  Give me an example.

Ed:  Well they recently were able to completely map the human genome. So now they can begin to determine… these are the genes that tend to create problems like Alzheimer’s disease. If we can fix these, if we can operate on these, if we can manipulate these and change these chemically and physically so that these genes do not create this particular tendency we can eliminate this disease and that disease etcetera. If we can even get lower than that and begin to change the atomic structure of those genes we could actually get rid of things like skin cancer, we could eliminate eye sight problems and things of that nature. The ability of science in the next 10 – 20 years is going to be so incredible in the area of health technology that we’re going to see an incredible extension of the human life span. The ability to eliminate diseases is going to give the human body a chance to live longer. The question is will it live better?

Sid:  Hmm. Well… I mean I’m thinking in terms of these crazy mad men that Hitler hired to do experiments on humans. Can you picture with the technology we have that if someone comes from a godless society such as a communist society where they’re literally today killing people to get their organs to sell them to make a profit. Can you picture them combing humans and animals and plants, we could have a world of monsters.

Ed:  The challenges for example in cloning are incredible.  While they’ve cloned a sheep or two they also have had to eliminate hundreds and hundreds of them that turned out be all messed up. Two headed and 3 legged, and this that and the other.

Sid:  Hmm.

Ed:  So what happens now with a mindset in our society toward accepting abortion for example you experiment on unborn fetuses and just decide that this necessary for the quality of the life of the human beings that are already alive on the planet. If we’ve got to in vitro, fertilize, babies in a dish in order to get skin from them or parts from them, and DNA from them, and genes from them, and get part of their inner structure as a human being in order to help develop scientifically the options to improve the lives of other human beings, then fine they’re expendable. We’ve already decided as a society they’re already expendable unfortunately. So that mindset then leads to the next, and the next, and the next, and the next thing you know you have as you said bizarre experimentation going on in which somebody decides “Boy if you could just get chlorophyll out of plant into the human body on a permanent basis your teeth would never rot.” You would never have to go to the dentist and this can’t happen and that can’t happen, and you could have this benefit and that benefit. But all of these things lead to a point where the scientific community and medical community have an even greater and greater control of human life.

Sid: Out of curiosity as you worked on the book “Future Wave” especially with the latest technology that’s available today. What was going on inside of you as you were laying out these scenarios in your book?

Ed:  I think a combination on the one hand of tremendous curiosity. “How in the world can they do this and can this really happen?” Then a sobering sense of realization “Yes they already are doing it.” The technology already exists, it’s already happening.  Then the reminder prophetically from the Bible that in a world that is economically, globally, militarily, governmentally controlled ultimately by one man the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the lawless one, the son of perdition. How could one person do this? He could do it through technology. It becomes more and more obvious how the future will eventually play out.  That’s why we use the term in the book “Future Wave.” The wave is like what the Japanese people call a tsunami that rolls up from the ocean floor; sweeps everything in its path. If you could ride the wave it would be a great experience, the problem is that eventually the wave hits the shore eventually it crashes. It sweeps everything in its path. The idea is we experiencing a technological tsunami. It is a wave of technology building so quickly, so fast, so exponentially that you cannot stop it. You have to decide to ride the wave and use it for good, but you also have to realize that that wave of technology is going change about the world in which we live. By the end of the 21^st century if we were still here and the Lord had not come. The world at that point will look so vastly different from the world of the beginning of the 21^st century you’re almost going to think you’re on another planet.

Sid:  I have to believe the wildest science fiction writers in history never came close to what we see revealed in your book “Future Wave.”

Ed:  There have been glimpses at times here there but the technology has developed so quickly that even the science fiction writers can’t keep up with it. We’re going to see movies portraying this. There’s a movie being advertised right now on television where robots are fighting for control of the world. They decide with artificial intelligence that is able to interface with human intelligence that “Hey really we can do a better job than they are. They’re so full of self-deceit and hatred that they’re going to kill each other off anyhow so we should just take over. If necessary we should just eliminate them.” It sounds beyond our imagination but that could become a potential problem in future in the whole area of robotics. When you begin to develop computerized robotic individuals that will soon be able to look like, talk like, act like, function like human beings but they aren’t human beings they’re machines.

Sid:  Will they actually be able to think?

Ed:  Everybody writing in this area, studying this area says “Yes.” That at first it will be a very stilted kind of a thing like you’re talking to a computer with a voice. Eventually the personalization will get greater and greater. Remember Star Wars you had the little chubby robot that beeped and bleeped and what all. Then you had the guy that was made out of gold and he could talk and function and look and act more like a human being. Eventually they are saying they’ll be able to develop things that are like a gigantic doll that talks to you that could actually ride with you in the car. Be your companion, sit at a dinner table eat a meal whatever. In time the humanization of this will get greater and greater until these machines will be able to sense how we are thinking.

Sid:  Oh! We’re out of time.

Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is Ed Hindson. I’m talking to him about his brand new book “Future Wave.” He’s the assistant chancellor at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia and the dean of their new school of prophecy, the Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy. What you do in this book Ed is you’re really a futurist because you team up with a high-tech guy by the name of Lee Fredrickson and your knowledge of prophecy, put the two together and have some sanctified speculation as to what will happen in the future. Would you paint me a picture of what we can expect right here in the United States in the next few years?

Ed:  One of things we did in the book was we interweave what we call “Future Stories,” little novelettes that are scenarios of what the future might be like based on the technology that’s already being developed today, and our knowledge of Bible prophecy and how the two might interface. If we’re looking at the world 5 – 10 – 15 – 20 years from now you’re talking about a world in which there are mini computers small enough to fit on something the size of your watch that you can carry on your wrist. We’re talking about implanting computer chips in the brain, in the body to that control and influence the way we think. The whole function of the human body we’re talking about the development of artificial intelligence, not just in a computer or a computer game, but in robotics so that eventually robots that are being used today like a robotic arm used in surgery by a doctor will develop into an independent robot that can come in in place of a doctor and perform surgery. Not just come in and vacuum your house, although they can do that, but could actually take the place of a companion. Somebody that can talk to you, can interact with you. There are science fiction movies out today about all this kind of thing that ar even popular this summer that the robot can suddenly think for itself.  We’ll have cars that can drive themselves. I have a friend who works for Ford Motor Company he’s been with them over 30 years. In those 30 years he’s spent his entire career working on cars that’ll drive themselves.

Sid:  But what happens at the traffic light? What happens a car jumps a traffic light?

Ed:  Electronically you pull the car out of your garage, you drive down the street and connect to a highway that is an electronic highway, an electronic computerized device in the car locks you in so to speak.  Just like you see these guys in an airplane jet fighter, they lock in and shoot the rocket at the other plane. You lock into the electronic highway and the car drives itself so that the traffic is all controlled from that point on.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity how will we fuel these cars?

Ed:  Most of these cars I think will be fueled by alternative energy sources, either by electric or hydrogen fuels. You’ll see less dependence in the future on gas and oil, and more and more dependent on how electronically this whole grid will work in order to move traffic through cities. Of course it will be done to unlock the traffic patterns and all the rest of that. One of the issues he’s raised to me is it’ll change what people do in a car. You could sleep on the way to work, you could read a book, you could eat a meal, you don’t have to drive the car, the car will drive itself until you get to the end of the electronic highway you disconnect and then pull down a couple of blocks or so into the building where you work. If you’re in a big city you might be electronically be connected all the way to the garage. We’ve got glimpses of this right now. People can get an electronic device put on their windshield if they live in a city like Los Angeles and they’re paying a toll to go on a certain highway, a machine electronically reads that device as you go by you get a bill at the end of the month for how many times you used a toll road. You didn’t have to stop and pay and get out the change. This was all done electronically. Well eventually that kind of thing will change the whole pattern of how we do traffic. The development of instantaneous language translation, you can talk to somebody in another country and hear them in your own language. We have a commercial running this summer on television in which that occurs somebody in Eastern Europe calls a home in America where a guy has an office in his house. His daughter answers the phone, she’s a teenager, they speak in their language, let’s say it’s Russian or Ukrainian, she hears them in English. She tells her dad what the problem is that they’re calling about he doesn’t even go to the phone he tells the girl how to answer. “Oh yeah we sent that package yesterday it’ll be there by latter today. Tell him don’t worry about it I already took care of it.” She speaks in English they hear her in Russian, they’re satisfied the package is on the way. Everybody smiles. The technology makes all of that happen.

Sid:  Now it seems to me we could eliminate crime because if you can control where everyone is and what they’re doing, no one is going to get away with anything.

Ed:  You have an instantaneous report on people. Yeah you can speak, and if somehow if you try to go too fast the thing will electronically record that you broke the speed limit and send you a ticket. There could be a much greater ability to control crime in the future, the problem is you’re controlling every aspect of life. Pretty soon you can’t function without “Big Brother,” so to speak, watching your every move. If they get a computer chip that can be implanted in the brain where you can download information by your thoughts you can access the whole internet mentally. With a verbal command you couldn’t get away with anything. Now the good news is your husband couldn’t be sneaking around looking at pornography without you being able to read his mind so to speak. But at the same time…

Sid:  Wait, wait how would that play out I’m not sure I understand that.

Ed:  Okay how that works is, that you can mentally and verbally download the information. The technology is going to make that…

Sid:  So I won’t have to lug my heavy computer, my 3 pound computer around with me?

Ed:  No you don’t even have to carry around your laptop anymore.

Sid:  Whoa! (Laughing)

Ed:  You can do all of this with the chip. It’s just amazing what they’re developing the ability to be able to do.

Sid:  But you know what I’m thinking is, some people are thinking right now “Oh I won’t be able to get away with anything.” It’ll probably be the best thing that ever happened to you because there’s a day of reckoning with what you think you got away with anyway and God’s got this judgment coming up. Anyway you’re much better being caught before the judgment than after.

Ed:  Actually help in that regard, make you behave because you’re gonna face all of this anyhow. He’s going to judge every other word and thought, and every deed and every action. God’s got a system that’s better computer than we’ll ever develop to play all this back and show you your life anyhow.

Sid:  Well we have… we that know the Lord know the Bible. We have some insight information. How could the anti-Christ system, and you don’t have to be a mental giant to figure this out, tap into this new technology and accomplish the end-time scenarios we read about in the Bible?

Ed:  The challenge with technology is its stuff, its God-given ability to use human intelligence to develop these things. The technology is a moral it can be used for the good to communicate the gospel, or make us behave as we said. It can also be used for evil to communicate the things of Satan. So the challenge is going to be this, I think the anti-Christ controls the world economically, he controls the communication systems, he controls the financial system and the world surrenders its military control to him. You do not have a picture of him in Revelation having to conquer the world initially. Now he ends up in a war trying to control it eventually, but comes on the scene promising to bring peace and prosperity. What greater way than to provide newer and newer elements of technology that enable us to have what we think is a going to be a simpler better life and ends up becoming a complicated mess eventually because once the technology is in place to control your thought processes, your physical processes even your transportation systems you can’t go anywhere, do anything, think anything that somebody else is not going to be to access that information and know exactly where you are, what you’re doing, and what you’re thinking.

Sid:  So it’s really a two-edged sword. Then there’s the other extreme and that is every time there’s something new in technology Christians have been lagging back because they say “It’s the devil,” like with television.  As a result look who controls television today.

Ed:  We fight the changes that are going to come anyhow and then inevitably are going to come. Instead of realizing “I have a wonderful opportunity here to use all of this to the glory of God.” I think we don’t need to be afraid of this stuff, we need to be discerning about it, we need to be wise in our use of it, but I think we need to say “God is giving us the opportunity to use these things to His glory and to His honor. What a wonderful opportunity to communicate the gospel faster, more effectively than ever before.”  We don’t want to hang onto our flannel graph board if we’ve got an overhead projector, and I don’t want to hang onto the overhead projector if I’ve got a PowerPoint computer presentation, and I don’t want to hang onto that if I have the ability eventually of one day to mentally transmit my thoughts to the computer, to the PowerPoint to the presentation on the screen and I don’t even have to sit there and type. It’s incredible what’s going to happen. The challenge is the whole that has been there from the very beginning the depravity of the human heart. The heart is deceitful, and wicked, and self-centered, and will use the best of technology to try to accomplish the worst of things. The change doesn’t need to come in the technology as much as it needs to come in the hearts of people.

Sid:  You know another thought is coming to mind, the Bible talks about meditating on God’s word so the word literally becomes part of us, becomes our flesh. But what if this same information is used to transmit anti-Biblical thoughts into the body, lustful thoughts anything they literally could. You know “As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.” If it starts coming in by being transmitted inside of us, unless someone’s a strong Christian they’re not going to survive.

Ed:  You have two scenarios of the future that were developed in the early 20^th century. Oral Welles 1984 where Big Brother watched and controlled everything, then you had Huxley’s Brave New World in which he said people are going to be driven pleasure, by self-gratification, and by the very thing you’re talking about the ability to control and manipulate the mind and the emotions gives you the ability to control life itself. That’s going to be the greatest challenge of all for believers. The Bible tells us you control yourself by filling your mind with the word of God. Satan is certainly smart enough to realize that if “I can keep the word of God out of people’s minds I can fill their mind with everything but that which God wants them to do.”

Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is the assistant chancellor at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, Ed Hindson. Now Ed has written a brand new book called “Future Wave.” He teamed up with a futurist by the name of… a real high-tech person by the name of Lee Frederickson and went next few years, up to 20 years in the future, and brought current technology and current understanding and tied it together in reference to the last days as prophesied in the Bible and it’s fascinating reading. You know I couldn’t help but think Adolf Hitler his… I mean he had a perverted mind and he wanted to make what he called the “Super Race” by breeding the super humans together. He didn’t even have a clue Ed in reference to what’s going on with computers, and microchips… I mean I never even thought about this, but you put one of these chips as you point out in your book into someone’s brain and you have a super human. Elaborate on that.

Ed:  Hitler of course was limited by the medical technology of his own day and age, and they were using all kinds of bizarre surgical methods to try to accomplish because the technology had not yet been developed thank God at that point and time.

Sid:  Just go a little bit further than that, can you picture with what we know about cloning today if a mad man like Hitler had known those things?

Ed:  Yeah he would have done everything he could to eliminate everybody he disagreed with; cloned probably himself and people like himself so that he could have created a race of people that would have brought in what he would have called a “Perfect World” by his definition.  It would have been a nightmare. The question is, is it going to become a nightmare in the future in our generation when we have the ability to do those kind of things and start making decisions about who’s medically acceptable or unacceptable, or socially acceptable or unacceptable, or even religiously acceptable or unacceptable? What kind of people do we want the world to have as the future generation if we have the ability to determine what that generation is going to be like?

Sid:  Well tell me based on your research what can we expect from these biochip implants?  What will they accomplish?

Ed:  Well there’s going to be several things, first of all they’re going to be able to dispense medication in the body. They can control your blood sugar, they can control your heart rate and things that we’re using like a pacemaker to do right now can all be done eventually by these chips. They’re going to have tremendous health benefits for people. People are going to probably live much longer in a much more healthy productive life because of that. The ones that they’re talking about implanting in the brain are going to be able to control the whole flow of the chemicals and the neurotransmitters in the brain so that you can avoid things like dementia, Alzheimer’s etcetera. People will be able to think more clearly longer, but the problem is going to become when you combine all of that with now the mapping of the human genome, and the ability to genetically determine what is causing various malfunctions in the body and correct those at the genetic level. You’re going to end up eventually with what some people are calling “Designer Children.” People are going to say “Look I want a kid with blonde hair, blue eyes; I want him to have an IQ in such and such a range.  I want him be able to score 1800 on an SAT test and be qualified to go to Harvard if necessary. Give me the brightest child possible.” Then they’re also going to say “Give me an athlete that can make it into pro baseball, or football or whatever.” Nobody’s going to walk in say “Give me a short chubby child that is an average mentality really nice person.”

Sid:  Huh.

Ed:  We’re going to end up trying to predetermine what our kids look like, what the next generation is going to look like. All of a sudden you’re going to see the ability of somebody from the outside to control all of that, and that becomes a scary question in light of Bible prophecy.

Sid:  How big will this chip be?

Ed:  Oh it’s as small as a pill that you could swallow.

Sid:  Could you literally swallow this?

Ed:  You could literally swallow the pill. That is what they are saying, which is actually a chip which would then stay in your system and attach itself to the stomach lining and begin to function on an almost microscopic level inside the human body. We already have technology where they can put a TV camera inside of you and look around, and go inside your veins and arteries and other parts of the body and look for problems in order to correct them. If we had something in each person permanently that could do that, you could go to the hospital they could plug you in so to speak to the TV screen and look all through your body see what’s going on inside of you. That has tremendous benefits for people health wise. Also means that you’re submitting yourself to control from the outside, somebody else is predetermining what’s best for you.

Sid:  Now let’s go back to what I said earlier, would it be possible to put one of these memory chips inside of a human and he would have all the resources of a Library of Congress at your disposal?

Ed:  Exactly! The technology people are calling it the “Global Brain.” That eventually not only will computers be faster than ever and be able to give you more information more quickly, but it can also be translated in a wireless manner and it could actually come right into the chip inside your mind; so that the chip could make available to you. Yeah, the whole research of information that is available on the internet automatically. The ability and the potential to do this kind of thing is going to change the way we think, it’s going to change the way we live, and it’s going to determine even in some cases how long we live.

Sid:  You know the wildest science fiction writers never came up with scenarios like what we have actually already developed.

Ed:  Nope. The building up of knowledge exponentially is what causes this…

Sid:  Isn’t this by the way something connected with what Daniel prophesied for the last days?

Ed:  Exactly! That knowledge would increase, that the ability of travel and speed would accelerate etcetera and we’re already seeing that. The 20^th century brought us a gigantic leap beyond previous history. When we think in the last 100 – 130 years you had the invention of things like a lightbulb, an automobile, an airplane, the television, the computer, the radio. Every time knowledge jumps to a new level it enables you to jump to the next level even more effectively even quicker so that what it took mankind centuries to figure out now happens in a matter of years. So that the latest technology is almost outdated almost before it’s on the market.

Sid:  It’s almost like, and I don’t know if you’ve sensed this same thing, but I’ve been feeling this very strongly lately. It’s almost as if time is being compressed, everything is speeding up.

Ed:  We’re at a point in the development of human history where the technology is going so fast we cannot keep up with it intellectually, we certainly cannot keep up with it emotionally and morally.  So that the technology is being developed before people can even raise the ethical question of “Should we even be doing this?”

Sid:  People throughout history, it’s easy looking back, finds some more difficult in the future, have been so negative and pessimistic. For instance, in chapter 2 of your book the chapter is called “The Future is Now” you have famous people like an executive at Western Union in 1876 said “The telephone has too many short comings to be seriously considered as a means of communication.” Then Professor Marshall Falcon 1912, he said “Airplanes have no military value.” Who is Professor Falcon?

Ed:  He actually ended up becoming the field marshal of the allied forces in World War 2.

Sid:  Oh my, did he eat his words (laughing).

Ed:  He said they didn’t even use airplanes and the first couple of times they sent those biplanes in the war they through bricks at each other trying to knock the other guys plane out of the sky. Shot at each other with rifles.

Sid:  Hmm.

Ed:  It took a while before somebody got the idea why not just take a bomb and drop it from the airplane on a target down below. Then all of a sudden the nature of warfare changed dramatically. We can’t even imagine what it would be like to fight an all-out major world war today with weapons of mass destruction that could literally annihilate millions of people in seconds.

Sid:  The chairman founder of IBM Thomas Watson quote 1943, “I think there is a world market for maybe 5 computers.” How could he even think that?

Ed:  (Laughing) He didn’t think that anybody outside of the United States would even be interested in this sort of thing. They were so expensive and so big, so clumsy, so complicated that why would people bother and didn’t realize… see once you show a man in a primitive society a flashlight he’s not going to go around carrying a torch any longer he’s going to want the flashlight. Once you show somebody how to communicate by a radio they’re not going to yell at each other over long distance or send telegraph. Once you show them a television set and a satellite transmission and point of sale terminal in their store, they’re gonna go for the technology because the technology makes their life more convenient, more effective. Everything is done quicker, and faster, and better, but the irony is at the same time we become the victim of success of our own technology. Everybody today has a calculator pretty soon you’ll have a whole generation of people that can’t add or subtract without the calculator because we’re dependent on the technology. So even if the technology is good it has a tendency to make us so dependent on it we can’t function without it. I like to tell people “You can just conquer America by shutting off the electricity.”

Sid:  There are books being written that the next war will be not even a nuclear war it’ll be a technology war. Just jam our computers and you’ll bring us to our knees.

Ed:  Exactly! So that if you do that a society is built on and depends on and functions with it, if you can stop all of that you have them totally confused. We have people in our office that are totally confused every time their computer shuts down they act like “I don’t know what to do?”

Sid:  (Laughing) Bill Gates you quote this in 1981 who, who hasn’t heard of Bill Gates of course. Here’s his quote “640 thousand bytes of memory ought to be enough for anybody.” Where are we at today?

Ed:  Oh we’re hundreds and hundreds of thousands, millions of bytes beyond that now. It’s just unbelievable people want more and more ability for memory, more and more speed, they want it to go faster. Eventually it’s going to go so quickly that you’ll be able to communicate with anybody worldwide instantaneously on a computerized device that’s no bigger than a watch.

Sid:  Sort of the like the Dick Tracy watch, a reality?

Ed:  You’ll have people running around in the future talking to their watch. We have people now that have said “Yeah I was in the airport the other day and we got in a van to go to get the rental car, and the guy was sitting there just talking into thin air. Suddenly I realized he’s got a little device in his ear hooked to a phone in his pocket…”

Sid:  Ed we’re out of time.

Sid: What happens when you’re married, you have an LPN background, you’re a nurse and then you can take some advanced studies, you become a psychiatric nurse, then you’re called on the mission field? Then in June 1995 my guest, Shirley Smith, I’m speaking to her at her home in North Little Rock, Arkansas came back from the mission field. She had a bladder infection, was about time for a yearly checkup and she went to the doctor and had no idea what the doctor’s report was going to be. What was it Shirley?

Shirley: Well like you say I returned home and went for a checkup and the doctor checked me. He found a very tiny little rectal mass like the size of a split pea, half of the size of a split pea a little tiny green pea. Only a skillful hand could have taken that. So I knew that was God already beginning to orchestrate and intervene on my behalf. Then after he found this small rectal mass he said “I really believe this is endometriosis.” So he requested exploratory surgery just to look around to see really what it was. So 3 days later I went into the hospital and he found 3^rd stage ovarian cancer.

Sid: Now for those that are that familiar, what does 3^rd stage ovarian cancer mean?

Shirley: Okay it is an advanced stage of cancer. 4^th stage means that it is totally metastasized all over your entire body. So mine was… in fact I think technically speaking it really was between 3^rd and 4^th, but we say 3^rd. This meant that it metastasized to or spread to my intestines and other structures of my body.

Sid: What was the prognosis on such a horrible statement of what was going on?

Shirley: Oh his prognosis was that I had 6 months to live, chemotherapy possibly, I had a 35% chance to live 12 months and that was the prognosis.

Sid: That is a… you know it’s one thing to preach healing, it’s another thing to get a sentence like that out of the blue from a doctor the last thing you expected. What went on inside of Shirley Smith at that moment?

Shirley: Well you know he said he took out all he could and sewed me up and left the rest. What was going on inside of me at that time is I’m thinking medically as a nurse, I’m thinking “You know he’s left a lot in there” and I’m trying to deal with the sentence of death spoken over me, which happened at my birth when I was born but I hadn’t had a sentence like that since. I was astounded when I heard these words I panicked.

Sid: You almost died when you were born?

Shirley: I was born too rapidly. The doctor who delivered me gave my mother too much medication and I was born without hardly any oxygen. I was very black, there was no oxygen in my body when he removed me from my mother’s body he threw me across the room in the air and said this “SOB is dead!” He cursed me with death and said “Leave her alone and let her die.” So the curse of death has been over me…

Sid: Not only that it’s been over a number of members of your family …

Shirley: Right.

Sid: …that have actually died from cancer.

Shirley: Right and there’s been 17 people die on my mother’s side with malignancy. I was thinking you know my mind began to think on those things, but I was thinking “Wait, wait I’m trying to deal.” I’m going into denial in and out. I’m going into reality and it was very difficult at that. I’m thinking “Now didn’t he say he only wanted to do exploratory and didn’t he say that he thinks it’s only going to be endometriosis?” I though “This cannot be true he has made a mistake.” So here I am in denial again. Then I thought “I have felt good except for the fatigue I’ve had recently” but I connected that fatigue with the missionary trip because we worked long hard hours for 30 straight days in that intense heat of the jungles. Doing medical clinics and evangelizing at night, so I really didn’t think I was sick. After the surgery you know I was in bed with all these tubes coming out of my body I was moving in and out of conscientiousness. When I began to still again was when I wakened I heard conversations around my bed and they were saying “She has cancer, she has 6 months to live 12 months possibly with chemo” and I’m thinking “Am I have a nightmare? Is this really real? Am I dreaming? What is going on?” I began to think… see I was going in and out so my thoughts were repetitious many times and I was thinking about the 17 people who had died with cancer and I knew that it was a generational curse. I had prayed many times about this. My mom had been touched by this breast cancer, of course she’s been fine ever since, but I became overwhelmed as I recall the history of the family. Then I would remember I have the silent killer, I have the 3^rd stage of this. I was just trying to deal with all of this, then I began to reason and deal with God like many people do in those situations, and so you know I just begin to just give him my pedigree and I said my ministry profile I said “Lord I’ve just done so much for the kingdom of God. I’ve been very fruitful, I’ve been very faithful in ministry the past 30 years and I’ve been a good girl, but you know what I’m just really ready to check out because if I die I’m yours and if I live I’m yours. But I am willing Lord to do whatever pleases You.” That was my bottom line statement to the Lord “Whatever pleases You I’m willing to do it.” I also began to remember and say to Him “I know that my destiny isn’t finished because I have many callings on my life.” I also remembered prophetic words that had been spoken over my life and had not been fulfilled. I knew that I had to fight and I remembered in the midst of all of this that 1^st Timothy 1:18 when Paul spoke to Timothy he said “Son Timothy according to the prophecies that went forth over you by them, war a good war fight.”

Sid: You know it’s kind of interesting just last night I heard an evangelist say “We are to fight sickness just the way we fight sin.” We are to really be aggressive in this… isn’t this in effect what was going on in you Shirley?

Shirley: Absolutely, absolutely, but you know I thank God because I’m a fighter by nature and I’ve done spiritual warfare for a number of years. I teach spiritual warfare, and I just had a lot of experience in that you spiritually speaking. Even in the natural being raised in violence I was a fighter for survival.

Sid: What do you mean raised in violence?

Shirley: Well I was raised in a non-Christian home and my father under the control of very violent spirit with manifesting rages and violence and abuse that we lived in for 19 years, my sister and I along with my mom. I just knew you know you had to fight for survival so I learned to fight at a very young age. I learned to fight I guess at birth because he told me then you know I would not live I’d die.

Sid: By the way even the doctor said you could have a few more months if you would have the chemotherapy, did you try it?

Shirley: Actually I did it was not my desire, it was really not my choice, personal choice, but I began to be pressured to take this. My family especially my mom was very hysterical over this and very emotional bidding me to take this to extend my life, maybe there was hope, maybe I could make it. Both doctors you know told me the same thing they began to coerce me you know “Take the chemo, take the chemo.” My husband thank God said “Shirley I’ll stand with you on your decision whatever say I’m not going to pressure you whatever you decide to do I’ll stand with you.” Being a nurse myself I knew what chemo does to the body so I flatly refused to take the chemo. Well that didn’t satisfy family, or oncologists, or friends so they continued to pressure me and pressure me. So one day the doctor said to me, the oncologist, said to me “Well listen Shirley I have a natural substance made from a Yew tree and it’s very successful with ovarian. I can give you this substance.” So under pressure with everybody I agreed for only chemo treatment. This was… I want to make this point to the audience, I had one chemo treatment only. I had a double dose and I was extremely highly allergic to this substance. They put me back in under IV again and tried to flush me for 4 days and 4 nights to get this out of my system. This substance is pure poison it was to my system. It felt like hot liquid fire flowing through every part… I could feel it when it went through every joint, every muscle, to all my major organs in my system, when it went into my brains, when it went into my ears my ears were in extreme pain. My body would jerk and convulse on the bed from the pain of this thing. I mean I had… my mouth bled, my gums bled, inside of my stomach was very raw when I urinated, my bowel movement was like liquid fire. It was the most horrible thing I’ve ever experienced in my life. My immune system was knocked out, my hair fell out, I laid at deaths door for 9 days. That was my one and only chemo treatment.

Sid: Okay medically speaking there’s nothing that can be done. You’re told you have 6 months to live what did you do about it?

Shirley: Well after I came out of the chemo I… the battle started for my life. It started in the arena of my mind that’s where the battle is, that’s where the battle is. I had to sign a declaration to my family and I said “Listen I have tried it your way and it don’t work for me, it my work for others it don’t work for me. I almost died from it now leave me alone. It’s my body, it’s my decision and I’m going to make my own decision. Now it’s just between me and Jesus from now on.” At that moment I just made a quality choice it’s me and the Lord. I have to say it’s an awesome feeling when you just abandon yourself to God and the face of death.

Sid: Ah Shirley our time is up we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone at his home in Millerstown, Pennsylvania is John McTernan. John is cofounder of International Cops for Christ. He’s spent 26 years as a Federal Agent with Internal Security Division of the IRS he’s written a book called “God’s Final Warning to America.”  In which and I’ve never seen this so documented before so many events where there is sins such as homosexuality or abortion or anti-Israel sentiment directly the same day judgment falls. Well the judgment can be a hurricane, the judgment can be a stock market crash, speaking a stock market crashes John on March 10^th the year 2000 the NASDAQ hit it’s all time high but something amazing happened explain that.

John: Sid you’re absolutely right on March 10, 2000 the NASDAQ reached 5,048 which was its all time high. On that very day the Premier of Israel Barak came out and said “Israel plans to offer the Palestinians the State in Gaza Strip and the West Bank and that also Jerusalem was going to be opened to discussion.” But up to that point Jerusalem had not been on the table this peace plan.

Sid: Now let’s be candid the muscle behind that decision would have to be the United States of America.

John: Absolutely, absolutely Sid the former President Clinton is the… I think the word muscle is that the word you used?

Sid: Yes.

John: Absolutely he is there pressuring Israel to give up at least a third of Israel where the Temple Mount is I mean the Israelis would never do that on their own.

Sid: Okay so it hits it’s all time high on March 10^th and Barak makes this statement after being muscled by then by President Clinton and what happened?

John: And since that time the stock market has at least 50% we’ve gone into a freefall trillions of dollars have been lost Sid. You know each 1000 points is like it’s about a trillion dollars.

Sid: Okay so that’s the NASDAQ most people are more familiar with the DOW the DOW reached it’s all time high on March 14, 2000 what happened ?

John: January 14.

Sid: January 14.

John: Yeah and I’m looking at it right now the newspaper articles in front of me the DOW reach 11,722 and on that same day the Supreme Court Justices ruled to vote on the partial birth abortion method. And so you can see in the news papers in fact I’ll read it from the New York Times the headlines are “Justices to rule on law that bans abortion method” and also on that same day they picked up Gay Scout Leader with the Boy Scouts on that some day with the Supreme Court was going to rule on both. And we know that they voted 5 to 4 in favor or the Boy Scouts. But what’s so interesting about that Sid is that sentiment that’s come out in certain states attacking the Boy Scouts for their stand against Homosexuality. But the Supreme Court then did come out and voted to overturn the ban on partial birth abortion and that decision began on January 14, 2000 and that was the all time high at the stock market since that time it’s lost over 1000 points maybe even more.

Sid: Well you document in your book certain decisions that Former President Bush, Former President Clinton made which have been ungodly positions such as with Israel and the consequence that has occurred. What about our current President Bush what is your sense for the Lord there in reference to how he’ll be with Israel?

John: He’s made some….one good statement was that he would move the Capital or he’d move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem because as you know virtually none of the countries in the world recognize Jerusalem as the Capitol even though that is Israel’s Capitol.  Sid but I’ve watched people very close to him that were with his father when he was president when he was president especially James Baker who were as hard about Israel as you could get and I started to get ominous feelings with the current President and time will have to will see what time brings.

Sid: Alright talk about an area for focused prayer investing it’s got to be I mean this country can go one way or the other.

John: Yes Sid.

Sid: And I believe that our current president has been put into office by God for blessing but it could go either way so prayer is so vital.

John: Sid prayer is vital and an input by God’s people we can’t sit on the sidelines any more Sid we can’t…our nation is at stake the church is at stake. I mean God literally could move to end us as a nation as a world power definitely but as a nation. And I don’t think that American people, and I’m talking about the church, really grasp this Sid. Yeah we’re American’s and we always been blessed by God and we don’t realize that we’ve become the enemy of God.

Sid: Let’s talk a little bit about abortion and the judgment that occurred when we did something that was pro-abortion.

John: Sid we could go back to October of a…excuse me September of 1989.  Do you remember Hurricane Hugo?

Sid: Yes.

John: I was explaining this to a friend of mine before I wrote the book this is probably be about 1991 – 1992 and he asked me what about Hurricane Hugo? And I said “I didn’t make a connection I said “I didn’t see a connection.” Well the next day he came back to me and he said “I had a dream last night… Because this is what he said Sid, “I had a dream last night and there is a connection God showed me there is a connection.” And he said “Where do you do your research?” And I said “Well sometimes I go down to the library.” He said “Take me there I want to do this research.” So I met him at lunchtime the guy took off from work he came there I showed him how to do the research and low and behold what he found was on the very day that Hurricane Hugo hit the United States and this is the front page of the Washington Post 2 articles touching each other the Supreme Court the then former President George Bush his administration refused to put a brief in before the Supreme Court for the purpose of overturning Roe versus Wade. And you can see right on the front page of the Washington Post the top article is Hurricane Hugo baring down on the United States it’s coming on Friday it says and at that time we didn’t know where it was going to hit. And the article right below it says “The Bush Administration has till Friday to put in a brief to overturn Roe versus Wade” the Bush administration did not put it in and Hurricane Hugo hit on that very day. It was one of the most powerful hurricanes to hit the United States. And it hit front page of the Washington Post both articles touching each other one of the hurricane coming and one about the decision to put in the brief to overturn Roe versus Wade which was not done.

Sid: And you point out in your book that every hurricane that has hit the United States since 1989 has been directly tied to either abortion or homosexuality. Give me one more specific example.

John: Well Sid and I have to add to that its abortion, homosexuality and Arafat coming.

Sid: And anti-Semitism or anti-Israel okay.

John: Right.

Sid: Give me one specific example.

John: Hurricane Opal if you remember that that smashed into Florida.  The hurricane started very unusual it started in Mexico and very few hurricanes start there but this one started in the Gulf of Mexico. It was I’m going to use the word meandering westward very slowly parallel to the United States but towards Mexico like over the Yucatan Peninsula can your picture that in your mind Sid?

Sid:  Only as you say it.

John: Alright the hurricane is not in the United States it’s going parallel with the southern part of the United States toward Mexico in the Gulf of Mexico.

Sid: Okay.

John: Alright there’s a Supreme Court decision against pro-lifers it has to do about deface law which is inaccurate which is short for preventing pro-lifers picking in and that in front of abortion centers. The Supreme Court refused to hear it and at that point it was a great victory for the pro-abortion force.

Sid: Yes I remember.

John: At that very time Sid the hurricane virtually made a 90 degree turn on that day the Supreme Court made that decision it made a 90 degree turn its winds became extremely strong it accelerated in speed and headed right for Pensacola, Florida. And it turned the hurricane actually did almost I won’t say a U-turn but it did a 90 degree turn when the Supreme Court made that decision. It’s like it was like it was a whistle it’s like God whistled and said “Come here we have to have judgment on America.

Sid: I mean you can’t get any more specific than that….

Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him from his office at Millerstown, Pennsylvania is John McTernan. John was a Federal Agent for 26 years with the eternal security division of IRS. He also is cofounder of International Cops for Christ. And he has authored a book that you must read. The title “God’s Final Warning to America” which John has documented sins that have occurred like Gay Pride Day or a big pro-abortion type rallies or anti-Semitic or anti-Israel stances by the US. And the exact day judgment hits. Out of curiosity John have other people seen I mean this is too much it’s not 2 times it’s over and over and over again. Have other people been aware of this before they saw your book?

John: Sid I can say that people are really not aware of it. What they’ve told me is that as I have spoken throughout the nation is that we knew that we were under judgment we’ve seen these earthquakes and we knew that we were under judgment we just didn’t put it together like you have. So I’ve seem to be a catalyst for a lot of people in that it ties together what they knew was occurring but they just didn’t have.

Sid: How about people that have never even thought about this what affect does it have when they see the sin and the judgment occurring the same day in America?

John: Yeah I’ve had people tell me that there it’s done that they were like paralyzed when they realized that God was so real. You know it wasn’t like something way off in the future that it was happening right under their noses the authority of God’s word became so real to them that they were paralyzed when they saw it.

Sid: Okay I’m going to have a lot of people upset if I don’t pose the question we ended with on yesterday’s broadcast. And that is President Clinton was as we know humiliated internationally on a specific day when the affair of Lewinski became public on that specific day?

John: Well Sid on that day he had met with Prime Minister Netanyahu who then was the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, over again I use the expression carving up the covenant land. And he was using the power of the United States to pressure Netanyahu into this peace process. So he had just finished with Netanyahu and it was about it was either a half hour or an hour in between that he was going to meet with Yasser Arafat for the same purpose. During that down time of approximately half hour or an hour while Arafat was waiting to meet with him that’s when the President was told about the breaking of the Lewinski scandal. Exactly as he was going to meet with Arafat that scandal broke.

Sid: Do you have any…

John: Not an hour later or an hour before I mean exactly as Arafat was waiting for him that scandal broke.

Sid: Is there any doubt that that’s a direct correlation that that’s a judgment from God?

John: Well this is the way I look at it Sid he was humiliating Israel and then at the same time he was humiliated.

Sid: Now you list I mean even when people like Arafat come to the United States and try to solicit United States to be anti-Israel what happens to our stock market?

John: Sid while you were talking I had my book in front of me and I was counting the number of times Arafat has come here and we have had judgments fall on us it’s 9. Actually I have one that’s in addition to the book if we have a chance I’ll speak of it so I have 10 incidences when Arafat has come that disaster has hit us.

Sid: Alright give us specific examples.

John: Okay Sid we had March 2, 1997 and Arafat comes to meet with Former President Clinton in Washington. And on that same day and I’m going to try and…there’s been so many disasters it may be hard for you to remember but if you think back to 1997 there was a city in Arkansas which ironically is the President’s home state Arkadelphia it was literally taken…

Sid: That was President Clinton’s home state, go ahead.

John: Yeah former President Clinton it was literally taken off the map well up to that time it was considered the worst tornado storm in the United States history. Tornados when they cross Arkansas it cost billions of dollars worth of damage and they went into settled over…the storm settled over Ohio resulting in triennial rain that caused the worst flooding in 100 years in Ohio. That all started that very time the very day Arafat came to meet with President Clinton over the covenant land of Israel, just incredible storms hit. In fact the flooding ended up taking the city of Thelma, Kentucky right off the map. So with Arafat here we had 2 small cities in the United States literally taken off the map with the storms. And then Arafat went to the United Nations. Sid do you remember back in 1997 when the whole world was upset because Israel was building housing homes in east Jerusalem?

Sid: Of course.

John: It was called Har homa?

Sid: Yes I do.

John: Right well he went Arafat that’s why he met with President Clinton then. Can you imagine over there in Israel building homes the whole world was literally upset. He was met with President Clinton and then he went to the United Nations the very day he went to the United Nations the stock market had reached up until that point it had zenith. From that day on while he was here, because he stayed for about a week or 2 more and then President Clinton was condemning Netanyahu for not going along with the peace and building these homes. The stock market free falled for 100’s and 100’s and 100’s of points until Netanyahu came in August and met with President Clinton. And then President Clinton dropped the attack on Israel over, and you don’t hear about any more about Har Homa? The whole attack ended, Arafat went home the stock market went back up like the very day. So the very day Arafat came to the United States and spoke to the United Nations and was demanding and commanding Israel the United Nations was condemning Israel and that period of time Israel was condemned 4 times by the General Counsel and by the Security Council, but the stock market was literally going out of control and freefall. And then it all ended the stock market started an upward progression again. We’re not talking about a week before and a week afterward we’re talking about starting on the very day. So that’s really what I know was the correlation with Arafat that’s the first time I noticed the judgment falling over Israel. And then we go to January 21, 1998 and that’s when…that’s the question you just asked me before about Lewinski Arafat was here and the scandal broke out. September 27, 1998 Arafat is meeting with the President in Washington the hurricane I’m going to pronounce it right it’s Georges not George it’s Alabama and it stalls. I’ve documented the hurricane almost hit the very time Arafat landed in the United States he met with the former Secretary of State Albright. He stayed 3 days to meet with the president and the former president and the former Secretary of State. He then spoke at the United Nations and he left. For those exact 3 days the hurricane stalled at the Gulf of Mexico it sat half in the Gulf and half hitting Alabama and Mississippi and then when he left the hurricane dissipated and that was the end of it. So for the exact 3 days that he was here the Gulf Coast was being racked by Hurricane Georges I think did 2 billion I think it did several billion dollars worth of damage the exact time that Yasser Arafat was here.

Sid: In your book you document every time we go against Israel, every time we have a homosexual events, every time we have pro-murder of pro-abortion events there is judgment that hits on the precise day. And you call it warning judgments and is there a chance that God will change His mind.

John: Sid I can’t speak for God but I think we’ve crossed a threshold now where when you start marrying homosexuals and you call it civil rights because God’s plan even before the fall Sid there was a man and a woman and a family that was God’s plan from the beginning. When you start tampering with that and marrying homosexuals and attack people that stand against that we reach the realm Sid that is right that I call reprobate. When you can take a baby out of the mother accept for a little bit of the skull and crack the skull open and suck the brains out and kill the baby and that’s a constitutional right we’ve crossed a threshold Sid that I don’t know if we can come back from. When you disregard God’s word and his covenant with His people Israel and you say you we’re going to force you to give a third of Jerusalem away where the Temple Mount is and the land of Judea and Samara is we’ve crossed a threshold Sid and I think in these 3 areas we’ve crossed the threshold where our prayer now has to be to have mercy and judgment.

Sid: Well I interviewed Anita Johnson who’s received the same type of prophetic warnings from God and she is saying the same thing the only prayer at this point is to stall judgment for the sake of revival. However there are so few believers have the information that you’ve assembled in this book. But you’ve said to me that God supernaturally put this documentation into your hands. You know Mishpochah if it was the same week then we call these things coincidence but one sin after another that is publically documented the exact day that the sin occurs you can see a judgment hit America. On tomorrows broadcast I would like you talk just a bit about the abortion issue and the direct correlation of judgments that have occurred to the United States of America.