Sid: Sid Roth here with something more Israel Pachtar and I have to tell you Israel has chutzpah he comes to Israel with a wife, small child and $10 and doesn’t even speak Hebrew.  But he survived and I guess that’s the trademark of us Jewish people we survive we get a lot of help it’s called God because God promised we would go to 4 corners of the earth and still survive as a people and one day return to the land of Israel.  So he gets to Israel; was there any special spiritual feeling you felt when you and your wife and your son small son got off the plane?

Israel: I had terrible headache.

Sid: Oi vey that’s not what I was looking for (Laughing.)

Israel: I had a fever yes we had a tough first experience.

Sid: (Laughing) well the first time I went to Israel I got down and I kissed the ground so that’s what I was looking for. But okay you’re being real.  So you get a job you join a congregation you survive because you began to evangelize to a congregation in Tel Aviv 9 years later you’re driving in a little town which I’ve been to Ashdod and you hit a cloud of glory.  What is that explain.

Israel: Oh it was the most powerful experience in my life spiritual experience I had been driving the car.

Sid: Were you alone?

Israel: Yes just myself and a little feels like a heat of a cloud and time had stopped because I’d been driving and so I guess the experience itself in the physical world was a few seconds but the time had stopped.  And I really have an open vision and the whole experience with God I’m not going to tell you all of the details.

Sid: But tell me a little I’m really curious

Israel: Okay.

Sid: Tell me more details.

Israel: Okay so first of all I was cut off the Holy Spirit powerful way I had never experienced such a thing and saw an open vision and I saw a huge congregation 1000’s of people this was Israelis it was obvious Israelis worshipping Yeshua in Ashdod.  It was a big facility international flags, youth the whole kind of little >>>> people coming from the nations to join us for some conferences maybe or a revival or whatever it is. And I literally saw 1000’s of Israelis born people.  And I heard the voice I believe it was physical voice but at least it was so real and He again spoke to me like first time He said “Go leave everything behind go to your home go to Israel.”

Sid: Yes.

Israel: Now God spoke to me saying “Leave everything behind in Tel Aviv and move to Ashdod and start a Messiah Hebrew Congregation.”

Sid: Now He said this to you was the voice just a thought or did you actually hear a voice.

Israel: I hear a voice; it’s hard to say to me it was inner voice or from outside if anybody that would sit next to me would hear this voice but it was just clear and loud voice.  So I then stopped to drive…

Sid: Have you ever been to Ashdod before?

Israel: Ah a few times I had a family actually I had lead family to the Lord in the city and I came to visit it them.

Sid: I see.

Israel: They called me to come to Ashdod and I said “Ah I’m not leaving Tel Aviv no my congregation is there my Ministry Alive House so everything is there yeah.

Sid: So God said that how did your wife and children take it?

Israel: Very special I came home very excited I mean God spoke to me because I cried to the Lord and I just cried and I repented.  And you know I received a couple of times before Ashator this kind but prophetic words from 2 different people and they said to me “You’ve been faithful to serve under somebody now I’m giving you your own ministry.” And I just rejected I wasn’t ready I felt like I felt comfortable to be a second man and an evangelist and I was comfortable with all of the friends that I led to the Lord I didn’t want it.  I said to them “I don’t believe it’s God and they just left it.” Now when God spoke to me my first reaction was I repented, and I just understood that God already was knocking preparing me and I totally rejected so I needed dramatic experiences.

Sid: Are you telling me that when calls us Jewish people stiff necked it really means that (Laughing.)

Israel: Prophets coming from different countries never knew me speaking details of my life and then telling me about “Soon you’re going to go.”  “No, this can’t be God I’m not going” stiff neck yes.  But the first thing I did I repent, I cried and then I repent and I just recognize what God is doing and how I was stiff.  Came home to my wife excited “God just spoke to me God Himself; all supernatural experience!”  I thought that she would be excited so I opened the door and said “Vickie I have great news God spoke to me we’re leaving Tel Aviv and we’re going to Ashdod!”  You know what was her reaction?  Tears, she just cried quietly cried.

Sid: Tears of joy or tears of sadness.

Israel: No tears of sadness.

Sid: (Laughing) Okay.

Israel: And she said “I don’t want to leave Tel Aviv.” Then I kind of came down and said “You know what let’s pray about that.” And so she toke a few days of prayer and she came back to me and said “I know it’s God we’re going.”

Sid: But if you or she had know what you were going to walk into would you have…do you think that you would have gone if you had known that what was going to happen happened?”

Israel: Probably not, ah no.

Sid: He’s there for a short while she’s starting a work and one day a 1000 orthodox Jews very religious you know I’ve seen the ones with the black hats and the pais the you know the scriptures say “Don’t shave the corners of your beard and the tailfin.”  And they can be very intimidating explain in your words what happened.

Israel: Yeah one day we just woke up to reality the police warned us and police city police.  Israel I just want to admit it Israel is a free country, it’s a democratic country and you can believe whatever you like and you can preach whatever you like it’s free. Many times people think that to preach the gospel is forbidden to share their thought is forbidden.

Sid: Yeah I hear their thoughts and rumors.

Israel: No the law there is not such a law like that but there is a position and a heavy one sometimes so what happened to have such a big demonstration you need to work with the police. So they have their head agreement permission to come an protest and so we we’d seen 1000 orthodox led by the main Ashkenazi Rabbi so in my city so I’m an Ashkenazi Jew so it’s kind of my people

Sid: Well I have to tell you this I’m Ashkenazi too so that’s why we’re friends; no that’s why were teaching no I love everyone but I am Ashkenazi.  There’s two groups one is Ashkenazi and the Sephardic. Or Ashkenazi are kind of European and Sephardic are the Spanish Jews. And there’s a big rivalry but if you had any idea how intimidating for a 1000 of these people and they started chanting, what were they chanting?

Israel: Oh they say all kinds of things and it was on the radio, TV, newspapers, everywhere. They had been accusing us that we are like a Hitler we are destroying Jewish people we are converting them to different religion which is not truth because we’re preaching the God of Israel to our people and the Messiah of Israel. They have been accusing us of all kinds of things and promising they are giving promises to their crowd and they said “We’re going to force them out of our city, all of the Messianic Believers and every Christian they’re going to force them out from our city.  Which is not really legal to say but it is what it is.

Sid: Hm.

Israel: It was a beginning a tough beginning because since then…

Sid: Well on TV though and they would curse you actually on television and would they show your picture on TV?

Israel: You know I didn’t watch the programs I saw programs were there and I just didn’t want to watch.

Sid: I understand.

Israel: But I did read articles what they said in the articles and they put Nazi cross next to my name explaining that we are very evil and bad and we need to be cast out from the city and from the country.  And even Chief Robin said of the city said “I cannot speak for all country it’s a big country but I can promise you we’re going to get rid of them in our city we’re going to deal with it very intimidating.

Sid: Now I was told it was like flyers they put up with your picture.

Israel: Yes it was just the beginning and then every time you would come to my congregation local believers, Messianic Believers, foreign guests every time you would come to my congregation and you have small crowd a dozen of people sometimes who are cursing you in your face, spiting sometimes on you sometimes on the floor. Cursing you to your face speaking to my kids and walking with my kids and cursing me and telling them “Do you know who is your father?” And my son just went to the army it was tough for him he was a soldier in the Israeli Army but of course we know the Bible and so we stick with the Bible and what they show us it said honor but it takes your emotions you know and they also spread fear lots of fear because not only that every believer come to the congregation have to come with kids and kids are more scared little kids are scared they see big people standing and cursing some of them very tall purposely chosen very tall guys and I’m not tall I’m not like you any way it’s a beginning.  Then they would follow our people when our people would drive home they would follow them with their cars and find them when they leave and after that they would pay visits to their family, to their relatives, to their neighbors. And most of our people I mean all of our people they live in apartment houses it’s a city it’s not private houses but we have lots of neighbors.  I’m living in the 6^th floor out of 10 so I have dozens of neighbors so they visit neighbors and they spoke with every neighbor kind of trying to put strong pressure on our people not to come to the congregation.  And I mean God did lots of miracles together with that but it was tough.

Sid: How…wait wait wait I don’t get it a wife, 2 small children.

Israel: Three back then.

Sid: Three then, 3 children why didn’t you just pack up and go back to Tel Aviv?  I’m serious why didn’t you?

Israel: Actually you speaking like the Orthodox because they came to me one evening when I was walking out…

Sid: Please don’t say I speak like the Orthodox but go ahead.

Israel: I just said don’t say that.

Sid: I know, I know.

Israel: And they really said to me they said to me Israel is now is your time to pack, pack and go start packing…

Sid: So why didn’t you?

Israel: I mean I just know God called me and probably because of that I needed that supernatural experience at the beginning I knew that He called me.

Sid: But your wife how could she put up as a mother how could she do that? I mean I’m going to try to give you a hard time I just want to comprehend this.

Israel: It’s the grace of God I mean all I can say it was amazing grace and comfort of the Holy Spirit which is telling you you never can be ready for such a thing you cannot even after if I would know ahead of time how can you be ready for such a thing?

Sid: Right it’s like a martyr, a martyr can’t prepare ahead of time the grace comes on them to be a martyr at the moment.

Israel: Right exactly.  Now I want to add another thing you know they took my pictures down from the internet they found the pretty nice pictures and my wife’s pictures and they most posters all over the city small ones and big ones saying black and red. Black and red saying careful Israel and Victoria Pachtar they are dangerous missionaries who are stealing your souls and who are doing such and such and they put their my home address.

Sid: Oh no.

Israel:  My home address, my apartment I live in like the whole city knew where I live it was scary it was kind of cold to heat you know and it was really scary. You went out from your house and every day repeatedly shields of the cars filled with my picture and my wife pictures bus stops and all over walls. And we tried to make jokes of it you know walking in the city and you see people looking at you recognizing you we just been saying “Oh I’m like a movie star” (Laughing.)

Sid: Now I think that’s great but I can tell you I could have handled it but I don’t know how my wife and daughter could have handled something like that.

Israel: It was tough my kids were very mad and upset and…

Sid: Mad at the Orthodox or mad at you keeping them there.

Israel: No the Orthodox but they know that and they’re strong believers they know we’re doing right.  And they know that actually even when they were making their decisions follow the Lord and now they are soldier both of them are skits they are soldiers in the army. And all we know we love our country, we’re living for our country, we would never leave our country, we would never betray our country. They know that we are patriot and they know that we are more patriot that most of these Israelis and sure most of the religious community in our city. And this is what also giving part time because they know that we are living and ready to die for our country at the same time all of this hatred and all of this evil talks.

Sid: When we come back I got something more for you…Do you know someone came to my first outreach in Israel and they got…can you quickly tell me this woman she was praying for her son what happened at the last outreach not the last one the one before.

Israel: Yeah she came there and she was worried about her son because he was lying in the bed for a month and doctors and we have pretty advanced medicine in Israel but doctors couldn’t help they didn’t know what to do. So when you was talking about the word of knowledge that a back God touching your back and you got healed. She just said like in the New Testament she said “I’m okay I claim the healing for my son.”  And she’s not a believer I mean she’s not totally not. And she said “I claim it for my son, for my son Lord touch my son, God touch my son, let this prayer go to my son.” And she has been repeating again, again, again my son, my son, my son.  When she get home her son was okay making coffee in the kitchen and she told him the story you know what happened?  And she said “No way God is real.”

Sid: Can you imagine she’s agreeing, she’s agreeing her son who isn’t even there is going to be healed; he gets healed at the precise moment she’s agreeing.  Plus she says a prayer like everyone else to receive, she brought 100 unsaved Jewish people to our meeting in Jerusalem.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Gary Kah. I explained on yesterday’s broadcast that Gary has made it a life study of the One World Government One World Religion.  It started many years ago in the1980’s when he was the Europe and Middle East Trade Specialist for the government of Indiana and visited over 20 countries. And he saw what almost shocked him this One World Order evolving in fact Gary in your book “On Route to Global Occupation” you had a scenario to what has just happened in America would you read that?

Gary: Yes I wrote regarding the future of the United States in building the New World Order where it helping to bring it about. And I quote now:

“Having gained some idea of America’s role in building the New World Order.  The only remaining question I had was what will happen to the United States once it has fulfilled its mission?   There is some disagreement among researchers on this question.  Some believe that once we’ve entered the One New Order Europe will be made the headquarters of the world government others believe that the seat of power for the world government will be in the United States specifically in New York City. As we currently stand New York could be the logical choice to be the capital given the logical fact that it is the most powerful and influential city in the world and the United Nations the Counsel of Formulations and the Trilateral Commission are all headquartered there.  However the secret hierarchy of Europe is still ultimately in charge might have different plans.  If they intend to locate the world capitol in Europe they will find a way to do so such a decision would probably involve however either the economic devastation or physical destruction of New York City.  This could be accomplished in several ways economically collapse of the stock market or severe depression or physically as an act of terrorism as a nuclear accident or physically through a limited nuclear war.  Whatever method would be selected the European hierarchy would be capable of carrying it out if God allowed it. 

And then I continue to quote from there but that’s the gist of it.

Sid: Now when you wrote that how long ago was that?

Gary: I wrote that in 1987.

Sid: Did you feel that you were being prophetic when you wrote that?

Gary: Well I wrote my book it’s over a period of 6 years and put so much prayer and research into it that I hung on every word that was written I wanted to make sure it was from the Lord and I wasn’t just writing what Gary Kah wanted to say.  And my purpose wasn’t to make prophetic statements but just to lay out the possibilities that I saw then and based upon my research and what the Bible says. And so I wrote down what I believe the Lord gave me and the book went to print then in 199l. And as you can imagine since things happened in New York City our phone has been ringing off the hook regarding all of this.

Sid: Now you mentioned on yesterday’s broadcast that you see a whole lot more than just some radical Moslems involved in terrorism. You see a lot of other elements involved for instance in the report that I read you talk about Masons how are they involved?

Gary: Well in a big way actually Free Masonry is the most powerful secret society in the world today in sheer numbers and influence it has been for a long time. And historically it has a lot of roots in Islam and a friend of mine who was a Christian leader in Lebanon, an Arab Christian leader, told me years ago that President Assad of Syria was a top Mason. He thought that Saddam Hussein was although he could not verify it he’s pretty sure about it. More recently I learned that Mikhail Gorbachev became a Mason while in England that’s according to Dr. Stan Monty who has the evidence for that he just shared that with me a few weeks ago.  Most of your top globalists pushing the One World Government agenda are rooted in High Free Masonry.  Now as in Islam you’ve got many masons that are naively involved who have no clue about what their orders all about in higher levels and I want to say that because I even have friends who are Masons and I dialog with them and until I actually show them what they believe out of their own historical books they don’t know. And fortunately I’ve been able to get some of those books and quote from them and…

Sid: And speaking to quotes I have a quote by the name of Albert Pike from your report he was the head of the Scottish rite Freemasonry. And in August 1871 very interesting do you have that quote in front of you would you read that?

Gary: Yes according to Pike:

There would be a conflict between 2 future super powers which would be sparked by first igniting a crisis of Islam and Judism. And he goes on to state and I quote “He said we shall unleash the nihilist and the atheist and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which will in all of its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism the origin of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then every where the people forced to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries will exterminate those destroyers of civilization. And the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose theistic spirits will be from that moment on without direction and leadership anxious for an ideal but without knowledge where to send the adoration will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation that will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism both conquered and exterminated at the same time.

Sid: How in the world did you get this document in your possession?

Gary: Well I’ll tell you this when I was  working for the government shortly after I left my job I began coming on to Masonic books and it’s a long story but the door opened and then I began to read and research these and get more and more. And now I have my own library, I have copies of morals and dogma by Albert Pike which is the center piece book of Free Masonry.

Sid: Who is the god of Mason’s according to what is what you have read in writing?

Gary: Well page 48 of the “Lost Keys of Freemasonry” by Manly P. Hall.” And I quote their own books otherwise most Masons will say “No this not true.” Manly P. Hall talks about the seeding energies of Lucifer that comes upon a Mason when he gets to a certain level in an order.  He does not reveal what level that is but he says to go above and beyond that level you have to prove your abilities to properly apply this power or energy.

Sid: Now do the lower level people even have any knowledge whatsoever of this?

Gary:  I think most of them don’t as I mentioned however they do have access to some of these books. In fact “The Lost Keys of Freemasonry.” As well as “Worlds and Dogma” which talks about Lucifer on page 321. You can get those at any Scottish Rite reading room.  I mean any Masonic library anywhere in the country would have those books. And I might throw in one other book that is most revealing and it’s called “The Secret Teaching of the Ages by Manly P. Hall.  You can actually get that book now in some New Age book stores it has become popular so popular that apparently the masons have allowed that to flow into the mainstream of the New Age movement which 50 years ago you would had to belong to a secret society at a higher level to get any of this information but today you can now go into New Age book stores and get this kind of information.

Sid: Okay Gary let’s talk a little bit about Gorbachev and how dead is the Russian Bear?

Gary: Well unfortunately Russia is alive and well from a military standpoint in fact they’re very powerful.  Yes the salaries to some of the military are low but unlike what you see in the media where they lead us to believe that Russia’s military is history. They have been building up while we have been scaling back.

Sid: Would you read the portion of the speech that you have in the report of Gorbachev to the Polit Bureau on 1987.

Gary: Yeah Gorbachev made this statement to the Polit Bureau in 1987 and I’ve got 3 or 5 others in my book “New World Religion” and this is just one of them.  But he said: Gentlemen comrades do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnosts and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years.  These are primarily for outward consumption there will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union other than for cosmetic purposes.  Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

Sid: Now tell me of the tie in between One World Order and Gorbachev and the Pope.

Gary: Well if you’re going to have a One World Government you need to have a coming together the world’s religions a type of religious unification or interfaith otherwise it’s not going to work.  And it just so happens that Gorbachev and the Pope had a very close relationship for many years. And again in this 10 page report that I put together I’ve got a…it’s about a half page quote of Gorbachev talking about this special relationship that he had had with Pope John Paul the II. And they have been working very closely on building this New World Order if that’s what you want to call it. And I realized from my Catholic friends this might be hard for them to accept but I do have the documentation for it and it’s important that we’re aware of these developments and the developments going on in certain Protestant circles by leaders increasingly supporting the interfaith agenda. But let me just mention this very quickly on November 4^th and 5 of last year unbeknownst to the public the Pope posted an unprecedented global planning session. The Vatican web page referred to this event as a meeting of “The World’s Parliament” their words not mine.   There were prominent European officials there, thousands of national parliaments, Gorbachev.  This meeting eclipsed even last year’s UN Millennium Summit of the most important political leaders.  And this got no media coverage whatsoever none.  So…

Sid: What was the purpose of this meeting?

Gary: The purpose of the meeting was to take the developments from the UN Millennium Summit that took place a year ago September at the UN one step further. This meeting at the Vatican brought together the political, the economic and the spiritual all in one place which the UN Millennium Summit was more political in nature. This meeting brought all of the pieces together again with Gorbachev being very close to the Pope on all of these developments. And also regarding the Mideast developments Pope John Paul the II for the last 18 months or so has met with Yasser Arafat, he’s met with numerous Arab leaders, he has been central stage really in Mideast diplomacy even Madeleine Albright during the Clinton Administration was traveling to the Vatican talking with Vatican officials regarding the developments. And early this year the Pope went so far as to visit an Islamic Mosque in Syria. So people need to be aware that the Church of Rome has a huge influence in the development…

Sid: So the Church of Rome goes, the Pope goes to Islamic Mosque. They celebrate in the White House under the Clinton Administration Ramadan. Clerics from the Muslim faith open our Senate and Congress, there really is a mixture.

Gary: There is and it’s quite amazing to see this but it appears as if superficial Christianity, elements of Islam, of Judism, of Hinduism, of Buddhism are all coming together.

Sid: We’re out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Rick Neill. I’m speaking to him at his home right outside of Akron, Ohio. We’re talking about his brand new book “Ultimate Glory.” I’m so excited about this because this is the first book that I’ve seen that explains the last days; the understanding of where the rapture occurs, where the very ingredients occur not based on Greco-Roman understanding but based on Hebraic understanding. It changes the whole thing, I mean it makes it so clear so simple. You see in the Torah in the book of Leviticus the 23^rd chapter God speaks about His Biblical feasts. In the Hebrew the word feasts means: appointments, God appointments. So God is saying “If you will obverse these 7 festivals number 1, “I will meet with you,” but here’s going to happen and the feasts are divided into the spring feasts and the fall feasts. But these feasts are called “Holy Convocations.” In the Hebrew the word convocation means: rehearsal. So the spring feasts were holy rehearsals in which God gave revelation knowledge by His meeting with His people as to the first coming of Jesus. So you don’t have to be a mental giant to know what the fall feasts are, they are holy convocations, or rehearsals where God will meet with you so that you will have understanding in the whole scenario of His return. Now in order to understand this you not only need the scriptures, and the Hebraic roots which were denuded from the faith unfortunately and so few Christians understand these God appointments. In order to really understand this you need revelation by the Spirit of God. Rick about 4 years ago you were at a meeting in Ohio and it was an awesome presence of God, but something really happened to you in the middle of the worship. What happened?

Rick: Well Sid the intimacy in that particular meeting was fantastic. As I was entering in with the Lord in the middle of the… or right at the height of the intimacy with the Lord there appeared in my hands as I had my eyes closed worshiping, there appeared in my hands a sword, a glowing golden sword in a sheath. It was so intense and it was breathtaking for me. The man who was leading the worship was just taken up by the Lord he was just gone in the Spirit. He began to say “The Lord is here He’s walking the aisles. Reach out and touch the Lord for whatever you need. He’s here for you right now.” I was filled with love of the Lord at that point and so content I just smiled inside myself and said “Lord You’re all I need.” At that point I was just trying to say in my heart “Lord this is the best thing You’ve ever let me experience with You.” But what came out when I tried to say that was that “This isn’t good enough.” I couldn’t believe what had come out of my mouth. Then I was shaken, I said “Lord please what I wanted to say was ‘Put this sword in my hand.’” But again what came out of my mouth was “Please put this sword in my mouth.” When that sentence came out I was so overwhelmed by the Spirit that I was gone for the rest of that meeting. What came out of that was, I was at the point in the development of this revelation that we’re talking about that it was just about I thought at that point ready to go. The Lord was using this experience to say to me “To hold on to this till He gave me the okay to run with this because this is an impactful revelation and the timing is so important.” That is what He was telling me with that experience.

Sid: Well the book is out now so did He give you permission, obviously He did?

Rick: Yes He did. A year ago January He gave me permission and He had shown me who to contact as far as publishing the book. It all started and it was an unlikely sequence of events in another meeting. My wife had just been healed of cancer and we were rejoicing in that and right in the midst of all of that is when the Lord spoke and gave me the freedom to go ahead and release this information.

Sid: Now for our Mishpocha right now that perhaps are not familiar to appreciate the majesty of what God has done Mishpocha. You have to see what he did with the spring feasts and then we’ll go into the fall feasts which is what’s going to happen in the future. So show us how these spring feasts were actually shadows of the first coming of the Messiah. I have to imagine when we looked at these Biblical feasts, Jewish people thousands of years ago before Jesus came and died and rose from the dead, we still didn’t quite understand it but we had clues into His first coming. Looking backwards it’s really obvious. So tell me about these feasts, these spring feasts.

Rick: Okay at the beginning is Passover. Passover is made up of 3 specific feasts in themselves. It’s Passover, then Unleavened Bread, and then Firsts Fruits. The way that that works is Passover was when the Lamb of God was slain in Egypt when God was taking the Jews out of the captivity in Egypt and taking them out on that night that the spotless lamb was slain. The blood from that lamb was put over the doorposts to save from the death angel, that was the night of Passover. Then that is representative of the birth of the church. Now on this to show the shadows the Lord used before this even happened the Lord said that “That lamb which represented Jesus was to be spotless,” just as Jesus was sinless, and the Lord would be killed on the 14^th of the month just as Jesus was. The lamb was to be male, the lamb was to be killed at twilight, there are many other shadows like that Jesus fulfilled, that Jesus the man came as the lamb sacrifice of God to fulfill this shadow. On Passover when the blood of the lamb was put across the doorposts when the judgment of God came to pass through Egypt to kill the firstborn it passed over all of God’s people, that’s where the name Passover comes from. The judgment of God passed over and that blood of the lamb is why it passed over. That’s why the blood of the lamb today is so important to those who have made Jesus their Lord because the death angel passes by us and the Lord we are His through the blood we are protected that way. Now the second day of these feasts days of these feasts days was the feast of unleavened bread. That Unleavened Bread, the leaven represented sin and this is a picture of repentance, it’s a sign the Lord told the people to get all leaven out of their homes for 7 days. This is a picture of the importance that God puts on repentance from sin. The 3^rd feast day is the feasts day of First Fruits. Now these 3 together in the timing that will eventually evolved that Jesus came and was crucified on Passover, He was buried on Unleavened Bread, and He was raised from the dead on First Fruits. There are many scriptures in the Old and New Testament relating back pointing to Jesus being the Passover lamb. Not only was raised on First Fruits but we’re told He is the First Fruits. That is our first section of the feasts, and this is the picture taken together at these feasts is the picture of the Lords first coming.

Sid: And of course just going in sequence the next feast is Shavuot, or Pentecost, and most of us know what that was a shadow for.

Rick: That was the shadow of the empowerment of the church. At Passover Jesus came with the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Then at Pentecost, 50 days after First Fruits, Jesus came to baptize with the Holy Spirit to empower the church. So these 2 together represent the birth of the church, then the empowerment of the church to the will of the Lord.

Sid: I’m curious did you first start getting clues into what’s going to happen in the future with these fall feasts when you took a look at what a Jewish wedding is like and how that changes the thinking for the last days?

Rick: That’s exactly how it started. The Lord began to show me different things over a period of a couple of years. Different articles I would read, different things I would read in scripture, now all of a sudden the Lord just… there was one major verse in Deuteronomy 22 that stood out to me. What this shows is such a difference in the wedding that we in the West see today, and for what the Bible calls wedding. The main difference in the 2 weddings is that in a Biblical wedding when the Bridegroom would come to take away His bride and take her back for the wedding, there was a time an inspection of purity. There was a time when the bridegroom would come in the middle of the night and he would whisk away his bride, take her back to the bridal chamber that he had prepared for her that his father had given him the okay to go get his bride and come with his best man and take back his bride. Then before the wedding supper celebration would start the marriage would be consummated. If there was no signs of virginity, the bleeding on the sheet, then the wedding would be called off that bride would be stoned because she would be accused of having given her virginity and her purity to another. So that’s the exact opposite as Western weddings where we come and we have the celebration then they go away on their honeymoon. This is reversed…

Sid: And you know what, because of this reversal every Jewish person reading the scriptures knew exactly what God was talking about because He was quoting customs and tying it in with future events. However, if we don’t know that the customs are actually reversed in Biblical days as they are today no wonder we got so confused. You know we’re out of time.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Speaking about naturally supernatural, my guest was taught by God how to move into supernatural time travel, also how to raise the dead. Anyone interested in finding out? Get ready. Brent Luck has been, has come a long way. He was an opera singer. I’ll tell you how far he’s come. What did you tell me you saw in the studio just as you sat down?

BRENT: Well basically, as you look at the words that are all over, in Joshua 23, it says, that “Our words have memory.” And so I was standing over there behind the curtain. I could feel the tangible Shekinah presence, the Glory of God because of all the words that had been spoken by every single person that stood here, that stood there, that sang here, that’s moved in signs and wonders here. And the Seraphim, they’re at the top, and the Seraphim angels, they’re the ones that drip with the Glory and the presence. It’s literally coming from the altar incense out of Heaven. And that’s what we’re feeling today. You’re feeling that drippy Glory cabal, Shekinah feeling in this place, and we just have to respond to it by blessing the Lord God, lifting our hands and magnifying him because of who he is and what he’s doing right now. Hallelujah!

SID: I worship you, O God. I praise him. Come on everyone.

BRENT: Thank Jesus! We bless you! We glorify you.

SID: Do this at home

BRENT: Thank you Jesus. Hallelujah.

SID: Oh, my goodness. I’m going to take you back in time. Just briefly, 1987, you’re not a believer on Messiah. You overdose on drugs. You’re ready to take your life. What happens?

BRENT: Well I just, my body went crazy after I did coke, ecstasy and crystal, and all that stuff. My body just began to go in what the doctors call crystal shock, and I basically lost control and I felt the spirit was trying to get me to jump over the balcony in Huntington Beach. And God just simply rescued me. He used a paramedic to rescue me. He used a little girl to cast the spirit of death out of me.

SID: This little girl, how did she happen to be there to cast the spirit of death out of you?

BRENT: Well it’s interesting. She was actually the apartment manager of Beach Boulevard at Huntington Beach, and she knew we were smoking dope and dealing drugs. But the Lord told her to leave me alone, that he was getting ready to do something. And so she obeyed. And that afternoon, 12:22 in the afternoon, May 22, 1987, she heard me scream and she immediately ran up. And I was in the corner literally just gripped in fear, this, I could feel my body, this thing was wanting me to jump. And she came in, and I’ll never forget it. She goes, “Brent, I command the spirit of death to come out of you right now in the name of Jesus.” And when she did I fell to the ground and began to weep.

SID: And he, and I’ll tell you, he has not been the same since. So he’s married, he has a daughter and he feels the Spirit of God tells him to compile prayers and scriptures to start proclaiming out loud. He does this for a year and a half, and then after he’s done this, he goes to kiss his four-year-old daughter. He’s going away. He’s going to kiss her on the cheek and what happened?\

BRENT: Sid, now I walked over there to her and I recognized that her eyes were closed and that she was purple and blue, and I realized, I looked at my mom. It was like, my mom was just kind of sitting there watching TV. And all of a sudden, I said, “Samantha.” I remember shaking her and said, “Samantha!” And she wasn’t responding. And so I freaked. I picked her up, I go, “Samantha! Samantha! Samantha!” And she’s not responding. She’s limp. And I go, No! No! No! No! And Melissa runs and she’s speaking out, decreeing and declaring. She’s on the phone with the paramedics. And I just grabbed her, and I said, “I speak resurrection life into you!” And all of a sudden she went [breathes] and she looked into my eyes, and she just started to weep because she was scared. Within about a few seconds, maybe a few minutes, the paramedics were there and they took her to the hospital.

SID: And in the hospital she had an interesting experience.

BRENT: Yeah, she did. They, you know how when you get to the hospital they think, you know, they got to see how bad things are. So they thought she might have meningitis. It turns out she had the worst E. coli bug that had ever, they had ever seen in a child. The numbers were really high. And so it was trying, some friends of mine said the devil was trying to take your daughter. And so when she got in the hospital they said that they had to give her a shot and it might let her have an out-of- body experience. And I said, “Wait a minute, if she’s going to have an out-of-body experience, she’s going to Heaven.” So my wife and I, and her friend, and Melissa and dad stood around the bed in the emergency room and we just said, Father, we commend her to you right now that if she’s going to have an out-of-body experience right now she’s going to go to Heaven and be with you.” And they gave her the shot, and after 36 hours, Melissa and I, being at the bedside, they put her in ICU, giving her medicine. And Melissa and I were just decreeing. Melissa was literally in the bed with Samantha. And one, just 36, 34 hours, all of a sudden she started drawing with her finger. She goes, “They’re here. They’re here.” And I knew she was drawing like a rainbow. And then all of a sudden she woke up and it was like you could tell she had been like, and she goes, “Where’s my jewelry box? Where’s my jewelry box?” And I’m like, what, what, what? Melissa runs to the bed and she goes, “I was with Jesus. We were in the park. Where’s my jewelry box?” And we’re like, oh my gosh, literally you could feel the presence of God, even though she was shaking and scared, you could feel the presence of God come on our daughter.

SID: She had been to Heaven.

BRENT: Yes. When we came home it happened to be Melissa’s birthday, so we celebrated in a great way. The next morning we gathered our family like we had been doing for almost maybe a little over a year and a half, turning the praise of worship on. Worship never stops in our home. It goes 24 hours a day. And I was in there praying, and I was weeping, I was crying, and God just arrested me. He goes, “I want to tell you something.” He goes, “I had you start focusing those decrees and declarations, and praying with your family a year and a half for a different reason than you thought. You thought maybe it was for ministry or you can get to know me.” He said, “But I had a specific reason.” And he said, “And that was for the day that you found your daughter and she had no life in her, that you, through the year and a half of preparing your tongue, that you would be able to speak life into your daughter and not cave in under fear, where you could literally use what you had done a year and a half to cause your daughter to come back to life. That is why I did that.”

SID: I love that, resurrection life. That’s-life-from-the-dead power. And when we come back, this power of decree keeps expanding into every area of his life. We’ll be right back.

 

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with John Bevere. And the Holy Spirit spoke to you about a recalibration message. What does that mean?

JOHN: Well if you’ve got an instrument and you’re measuring something and that measurement is not calibrated correctly, the measurement that you think you’re getting is not what you’re getting. The Bible, I was just reading this morning, the Bible says in Hebrews, Chapter 2, “Let us pay very close attention to the words we’ve heard lest we drift away.” Now when I was a boy I use to fish because I grew up on a lake. If I didn’t anchor I’d be fishing away and 30 minutes later I’d look up and I didn’t recognize the shoreline. What happened? I drifted. Drifting doesn’t happen consciously. It happens unconsciously. If we don’t pay close attention to what the New Testament tells us then what can happen is we can drift and now we can start assuming what is good, what is really not good in God’s eyes to be good in our eyes, and now we start embracing truths that we thing God is on the side of or God has, you know, instituted, that really he hasn’t.

SID: I have to tell you, when I heard you talking about a major area of recalibration, and this may surprise you, the difference between savior and Lord. Explain that.

JOHN: Well in the church of America, we have basically desired to get people to pray a sinner’s prayer, which is basically to receive Jesus. We almost appeal to people, would you just give Jesus a chance. Will you give your life to the savior Jesus, will you pray this prayer with me. Yet the word “savior” appears 36 times in the Bible. The word “Lord” appears over 7800 times in the Bible. Where do you think God puts the emphasis? The Bible never says that, thou shall confess the savior Jesus. The Bible says that, “Thou shall confess the Lord Jesus.” Jesus made the statement, “Why do you call me Lord, yet you don’t do what I say.” So Lord means supreme and authority. So when we confess him as Lord, we say, I am putting myself under your supreme authority. You know, I was in a room filled with leaders, 250 pastors, and I said to them, “How many of you can see the rich, unruly strutting up to Jesus, he’s got his Armani robe on, his Rolex sundial watch. He’s got this little attitude. So what do I do to get saved?” And they all raised their hands. And I said, “Can we look at what the Scripture says. Mark, chapter 10, it says, ‘They came running to Jesus and kneeling down.'” I literally ran across the platform. It was a very large platform and I slid to my knees, and I grabbed the guy that was helping me, and I said, “What do I do to get saved?” I said, “Would you say this guy had a desire to get saved?” And they all said yes. And I said, “But desire is not enough.” I said, “Because Jesus looked into this man’s life and he saw something that was more important to him than God and that was his money. With other people it would be their girlfriend, their boyfriend. It could be sports, it could be this.” I said, “But this guy, Jesus was more concerned about him finishing well than starting well.” And I said, “So Jesus looked at him and he said, ‘Hey, there’s one thing that’s going to be down the road, you’re going to say, hey, you’re my Lord, but this is going to call you. In other words, money is going to call you in a different direction. My lordship is going to steer you one way, your money is going to steer you another way, and I need you to make the decision now. Which one is it going to be?'” And so Jesus says, “Sell what you have because right now the only way to break this thing off of your life is just let it go.” And the guy when he hears I say, walks away sad and sorrowful. And Jesus didn’t run after him and say, “Wait a minute. Proverbs 19:17 says, ‘He who gives to the poor lends to the Lord and that which he’s given the Lord repays.'” That’s a promise. And I’m sure if Jesus would have run to him and said that, that might have convinced him. But Sid, Jesus never used the blessings, the perks, the benefits of the Gospel to entice people to follow him. He just, “Follow me, not because of what I can do for you, but because of who I am.”

SID: I have to ask you this. Because a survey was done and the question was, what does grace mean? But the results of the survey are very important for people to understand. Explain that.

JOHN: It was a heartbreaking survey. Over 5000 Christians were polled in the United States. These are Bible believing Christians. The survey asked, give three or more one-word definitions of descriptions of the grace of God. The overwhelming response was salvation. The second one was a free gift and the third one was forgiveness of sins. I think the fourth one was love of God. Now I’m so glad Americans understand that, that we’re saved by grace, only by grace.

SID: Those are all good things.

JOHN: Yeah. True things. Saved by grace, only by grace. You keep it, you can’t earn it, you can’t merit it and it forgives our sins. However, this is the tragedy of the survey. Only 2 percent, the actual figure was 1.9 percent of those that were surveyed said that grace was God’s empowerment. Yet that is exactly how God represents his grace because God said to the Apostle Paul in Second Corinthians 12:9, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power works best in your weakness or human inability.” If you look at Peter, Peter says, “Grace be multiplied to you as his Divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness.” Grace is God’s empowerment that gives the ability to do what I otherwise couldn’t do in my own ability. I couldn’t live a godly life before I was a Christian. I used to read the Bible and come under tremendous conviction because I was a good sinner. And yet I didn’t have the power to change. But when the grace of God came into my life, not only was I forgiven, not only was I saved, but the grace, that same grace empowered me to be transformed, to not be a man who looks at pornography and lusts after other women, but to be a man who could sit there and be free from it and look at a woman for the fact that she was her daddy’s little girl, not the fact that she was a piece of meat. And so grace changed what I couldn’t change.

SID: When we come back, I want to find out what true biblical holiness is. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have a friend that has a passion to investigate the lost tribes of Israel. And recently he went to Africa, he went to Zimbabwe, and they did a DNA study on this particular tribe in Africa and they find the highest percentage of the priestly families is in this tribe in Africa, of anywhere in the world. Now this is what it says to me. The Bible says the Temple will be rebuilt. But guess what is missing? The authentic priests. Guess what we’ve just found? The priests of Israel. You know, I have known Rabbi Jonathan Bernis for, you were just out of your teens when we met. But my most exciting memory of you, and it may surprise a lot of you when you hear this, is we were fairly new believers and he was, he had a Messianic Jewish congregation in Rochester, New York, and I used to go up there for days of prayer and fasting, and we used to pray in supernatural languages, tongues, I mean, for hours and hours. And Jonathan, I am —

JONATHAN: They were great days. I remeber them.

SID: They were. I am 100 percent convinced that here God has used you with your own television ministry and he’s doing so many things right now with It’s Supernatural. We birthed that when we were praying together, and we didn’t even know.

JONATHAN: We didn’t.

SID: But better than us not knowing, the devil didn’t know.

JONATHAN: Sid, I think God started to birth that whole Russian ministry that we were able to witness together. One of my favorite moments together was when we saw 4000 Russian, mostly Jewish Russian speakers in the Taborsky Concert Hall in Russia during the altar call, running forward with tears streaming down from many of their eyes and praying to receive Jesus as the Messiah, over 13,000 that came in that outreach we did for them.

SID: We never, ever, I mean, one or two would come to the Lord in my congregation or Jonathan’s in a year, you know. But thousands running with tears in their eyes, we had never seen anything like that and we knew—

JONATHAN: We birthed it though prayer five years earlier.

SID: And you started something that I had only seen one other time. It was called travail. What is travail?

JONATHAN: Travail is actually birthing pains. The Bible in Romans 8 talks about the creation groaning, all creation groaning for that which is yet to be revealed. And I really believe that there is a special anointing, Sid, that comes on people, literally birth pains that, and it comes right from here, right from the gut and just beginning to, starts with tongues and then the unction grows, the urgency grows, and it just, I found myself falling flat on my face before God. And I really felt the Lord show me that we are a ministry, we have an abundant blessing of finances, but a prayer deficit, because God is bringing me in through doors that are absolutely incredible, like Zimbabwe. And I had this picture of a water tower. And what God was showing me is that prayer, intercession actually is like a water tower where you store up water. And then I saw this thing that you pulled on and then the water would come pouring down from the water tower. Intercession is something like a water tower where we intercede and we’re building, we’re storing up prayer like a water tower and then it’s released at the time that it needs to be released in God’s specific time.

SID: Now here is the amazing, and God is showing you something about the soon return of Messiah. What is he showing you?

JONATHAN: Absolutely. The time, we are at one minute to 12, Sid. We are in the last of the last days and the spotlight is going back to Israel, back to the Jewish people, and the church needs to realize that they have, that people watching, all of you have a very specific mandate from the Lord to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy, but also to be a co-worker with him in the greatest harvest the world has ever seen. We’re entering into it now.

SID: And I have an inkling and I’m going to tell you about, and Jonathan is going to tell you about what is being birthed. And when we come back you’re going to find out about an ancient Jewish supernatural way of having a most amazing power of God. When the Messiah said, “You will do the same works I have done and even greater,” some of you are ready for the same. I’m ready for the greater. How about you?

 

Sid: Dead people coming back to life? Orphaned children, gang leaders being caught up into the heavenlies having experiences with the Lord. Coming back and then preaching gospel. Miracles: people with cancer being healed, every miracle imaginable, revival in one of the most down and out places on the face of this earth. Thousands… one couple is ministering to thousands of orphans. In the last few years has started over 3000 churches moving in extraordinary power. I have them on the telephone Heidi and Rolland Baker. Their ministry is predominantly in Mozambique, Africa. I must ask you this question Rolland. You have a wife that has been so touched by God’s Spirit that as she said she’s literally totally dead to self, lives just for God, but what is it like… I mean she gets pinned to the floor for days at a time, you’d have to carry her away because she’s under the presence of God. You know Mishpochah if there wasn’t fruit we’d say “So what!” but there is fruit. Look at all of these thousands of orphans and churches that are starting all over Africa. What’s it like being married to a woman that is, actually is it fair Rolland to say she’s almost more in heaven than in earth many times?

Rolland: Well it’s true she says she’s… the hardest thing in her life is to remain here on earth with us. I have to say “Heidi you know we have a family here we’d like you to be around.”

Sid: Isn’t that exactly what Paul said “I’d rather be in heaven but for your sake I’ll stay here?”

Rolland: That’s right. We understand that, we’re so split because we’d rather be there with Him which is so much better, but on the other hand this is our only chance to bear fruit through our faith, and through our good fight of faith and the race that we have to win to beat the devil while we have a chance while the day is still here and we can still work. We’re not going to be able to do this kind of work and glorify God like and express our love and trust in Him later, this is our only chance.

Sid: Very briefly I want to know a little bit more about you. You were involved in revival in England then… you were the first one that went to the Toronto Airport Church and were touched by God. Briefly tell about both of those experiences.

Rolland: Well we’ve begun to work with the poor more and more. When we first started off in Asia we began as a dance drama team we were both creative types. She was a dancer I was a photographer and writer and we put together productions. But we began to go to more and more poor areas like remote sugar plantations in the Philippines, the islands of Indonesia and so forth. It got harder and harder to preach to starving hungry people and then just say goodbye. To a little one coming to our meetings on Sunday morning coughing, tuberculosis, and spitting up blood, children wondering the streets carrying their little baby brothers and not knowing where to go and what to do sobbing their eyes out in the rain. We realized the gospel isn’t the gospel unless it’s a practical benefit of starting now because that’s what love is. So we began to slow down more and more and began to work actually with street sleepers in the back alleys of Hong Kong, but Hong Kong was still a rich city per capita. Literally hotels around the corner wherever you go, there’s babies in the streets and rich people everywhere. We knew there were much poorer places that would be a test of the gospel. I wanted to imitate my grandfather who imitated Jesus by being a good shepherd because he was going out looking for lost sheep in very remote areas. So we researched poor countries even in Hong Kong we began hearing about the war in Mozambique and how the rebels were blowing up the Red Cross trucks and how many thousands of children were losing limbs to land mines innocent children. In the meantime we went to England for our PhD’s but we still wanted to work with the poor. So even while we were studying we started a church for street sleepers. Down in the financial district of the stratum under the bridge and along the Tam we find out gallies and put down with the poor and spend enough time to become their friends and learn how to minister to the poor. They began to touched by the Holy Spirit pretty soon we had a church that we called “Believer’s Center.” Like we named our church in Hong Kong. We had a beautiful family where homeless people would walk for hours through the night to come to it, it became our family. Christmas, and holidays, and weddings and all, all our homeless people would come together and we began to taste what the kingdom of God was all about. Pretty soon students and lawyers and other people began to join the mix it was a cross-section of the body of Christ it was beautiful and we loved it. But when we were done with our PhD’s we, at least in England, we wanted to get to Mozambique and we tried to get there for a long time the doors were closed because it was at war. The communist were in power, it was dangerous we thought about going to neighboring countries like Tanzania to get close. Then finally in ’95 there was a cease fire that calmed down enough for a visit and I came again in ’95 and after I was there only 2 days a man approached me and said “Would you like an orphanage?”

Sid: Hmm.

Rolland: That was my dream to continue as Heidi said earlier to see a continuation of my grandfather’s revival among orphaned children. We just felt like doing exactly what Matthew 25 said just simply starting at the lowest simplest level and just passing out a cup of cold water and finding the next orphaned child that was on the street and going from there. Well we got offered this orphanage as soon as I arrived and the reason we were offered it is that no one else could pay for it, nobody else wanted to fund it, foreign governments didn’t want to handle it, big churches in South Africa didn’t want to deal with it, it was completely vandalized and stripped. Children were living like animals, and nobody had any funds for it, the government didn’t have a penny for it, the directors were extremely corrupt and wicked. We put in a proposal we said “You let us use the land we’ll take care of the orphans, well educate them we’ll teach them spirituality. We just want to help your country.” They didn’t have any idea what we meant by all that but it was a start. We didn’t have any money for that either but we just loved to see the gospel tested. We just loved loved to see the glory of God among the hurting, the poor, and the lonely because that’s where His glory shines. I was just thrilled to have this impossible opportunity and Heidi felt exactly the same way and we just went to Mozambique and within a matter of months these children at this place were filled with the spirit and saved and up all night praying for their daily food, and food was coming miraculously…

Sid: Did you… you have seen food multiplied tell me about that.

Rolland: Well the first time was when the communist… there was a faction in the city government that really had resented us because they were used to embezzling money and getting money out of foreign sources. We were taking charge of the food supply and they really resented how we had interfered in their operation. So they fought it for a long time, they evicted us from that property and they finally succeeded and we were given 48 hours to get out. By that time we had over 300 children and had put hundreds of thousands of dollars into the orphanage and they evicted us and through us right out on the street and we had absolutely no where to go and the children didn’t want to stay because they would rather stay with us under a tree, out on the field, on the beach and be able to worship God than stay there where they were beaten and refused any kind of help. So they left with us, they just literally marched down the highway on their barefoot and walked all the way to town where we had a small flat and an office and no facility whatsoever for that kind of crowd. All of sudden we were inundated with children and they were all over, all over our driveway, all over our… in our house up and down the hallways. We were hosing off children in the bathtub, urine flowing everywhere it was… we just didn’t know where to stack all the kids. They had no food… it was just absurd. We had some friends at the U.S. Embassy that took pity on us they were still concerned for Heidi, me, and our 2 children and how we were maintaining under those circumstances so they brought over a small bowl of chili just to be nice, chili rice just for us you know. They just wanted to help us get through this and they came over with this small bowl just for the 4 of us and Heidi looked at that said “Wow! We have a very big family” (laughing).

Sid: (Laughing)

Rolland: “This is not going to be enough for us all.” The lady she was just mortified and she said “Oh no don’t try to stretch it. Don’t do this.” Heidi said “Well we’re just going to pray” and she prayed and there was enough for all the children who were with us, which at the time we were somewhere almost a 100 children, and that was the first time.

Sid: That must be an overpowering thing to see enough food for 1 or 2 people multiply for hundreds.

Rolland: Well it was but it’s amazing how the Holy Spirit so overshadows things that it keeps your flesh from freaking out and just being dazzled. Somehow you’re in another world, you’re in another place, you’re in another dimension and the Holy Spirit just keeps your flesh from exploding over the whole thing. It’s almost like there’s a holy hush until later the full significance of what you saw and what happened sinks in and you’re able to deal with it.

Sid: Very briefly, what happened when you went to Toronto the first time?

Rolland: I had been deeply involved theologically with the whole issue where the spirit very much concerned me how this business of staying close to the Lord and by means being in His word and understanding well had to do with receiving ecstatic experiences where you’re just transported into other dimensions with all kinds of emotions and without much understanding. How do we bring these 2 worlds together and how do they relate? So I came in with a lot of intellectual questions and I was under a lot of pressure from the university to finish my PhD and I was under a lot of stress and that was my agenda. I tried to push all of that aside just to partake of the Holy Spirit and all that was going on. I wasn’t really prepared for the avalanche of love that hit me it was like a Niagara Falls outpouring of God’s love for me personally. It was what I had dreamed of all my life that I would feel the love of God like that. The result for me was that I was just burning up with repentance, I was just in an intense state of repentance day after day after day…

Sid: Rolland I’m sorry we’re out of time. On tomorrow’s broadcast we’ll have Heidi back and she’s going to pray for miracles and a transfer of anointing.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone at her home in St. Louis, Missouri is Joan Gieson. For those that are tuning in for the first time this week you’ve probably seen Joan on television because she’s the woman that says “Pastor Benny this person has been healed of this thing.” And she also worked very closely with Kathryn Kuhlman and has a miracle ministry in her own right but it started out as almost a tragedy after she gave birth to her first child… for the first time in her life she became blind. And then symptoms started even getting worse she would lose her hearing and she would have the inability to walk. And so you were being tested what happened next?

Joan: Well Sid it was a tragic thing and we went through this for 4½ years. I was in the hospital in many different hospitals in the city. And one ophthalmologist I had gone from this Dr. Bailey to another one and he said “You do have a brain tumor and you will die.” I’ll never forget that as long as I live I sat in that office and I was by myself and Frank had dropped me off and he was going to pick me up again after he had to go back to work. And when that doctor said that it’s the most devastating feeling. I came home and I called my sister and I gave my children to my sister. I gave my clothes to my mother and I thought what do you do with a perfectly good husband I couldn’t find anybody to give Frank to nor did I want to. And I remember saying “God You’ve got to get me out of this, God You’ve got to get me out of this.” And this entire time I know about Jesus Sid I know Jesus as a little baby I know him in a manger I mean every year, every place you look you see the nativity scene. And I saw Him on the cross, I wore one around my neck, the cross was on the lawn of every church you know or inside. But I did not know Jesus I did not. I could recite scripture but it was only with my head. Not a whole lot of scripture but some, it was only with my head. And one day my son was 5 years old a little more than 5 because he started school later and he was almost 6 and it was his first day and the school bus was going to pick him up and I said to Michael, “Michael get me dressed help me to get dressed.” And he said “What are you going to do mom? And I said “I want to take you to school. Honey that school bus is going to come and I want you to help mommy out to the school bus I’ll be with you.” He said “I’m going to call dad.” And I said “Don’t call grandma don’t call anybody just get me into that school bus.” That little boy brought my clothes to me and that little boy made a cold mashed potato sandwich and put ketchup on it and that was our breakfast. And he helped me down the steps.

Sid: Because your blind.

Joan: Yes. And he helped me into the bus and I went to the school and he helped me into the school and of course it was the Lutheran School and I knew all of the teachers there. So they brought a chair out and set it out across from the room Michael was in. I as in the hall and although I could not see image I mean I just couldn’t see all of a sudden I heard Sid in the distance a ladies voice with all of these children and they’re (making sound of people chattering) and just chattering along. I knew that they had to becoming up the steps and now they’re passing in front of me and Sid I saw a glow, a glow. It was like if someone had turned a spotlight on I couldn’t see what was inside that glow but I saw the shadow of this woman passing by me and it was a glowing like an aura around her.

Sid: Did you see this on other people previously?

Joan: I hadn’t seen it in my life before and in the position I was in I didn’t say anything I mean no I just sat there and I said “Oh God whatever that woman has I want to have the same thing.” And that morning before I left… every night I had Frank read the Bible to me Bible to me when he got home. And we came to story about Nicodeums being born again and I said “Frank” and I cried and he said “Frank tell me how you be born again just like Nicodemus said.” And he said “Joan I don’t know how.” Well you can’t give anyone any more than what you have yourself and he didn’t know what it was all about and he said “I don’t know.” Now the next day I’m saying “God whatever that lady has I want it.” So in a few minutes Sid the teacher came out of the room that Michael had gone into and said to me “Joan you’re going to have to take Michael home he’s sick.” She said “His tummy is sick.” And I said “Judy you’ll have to bring him out and put him next to me because I don’t have a car and I don’t drive we’ll have to wait for the bus to come back at noon to get us.” At the very same second this lady that I saw walking from me was at my left side and she said “Honey I heard what Judy said and I’ve got a car and the kids are in the classroom and I’ll be glad to take you home.” Well God had set that whole thing up because she helped me into the car I told her my address and how to get there. And within 20 minutes that took us from the school to my house Jesus Christ became my Lord and my Savior. She was telling me about a woman that she knew that was in all kinds of difficulty and she said “You know all she needed was Jesus, she just needed to know Jesus.” And I said “Oh I know that tell me how you did that.” And not saying to her that I need Jesus but so hungry for what she was saying “I told her it was so simple all she had to do was ask Jesus Christ into her life and ask Him to cleanse her with His precious blood and receive Him as Lord and Savior.” While she’s telling me I’m repeating those things that she’s saying and now I get home and all of a sudden my whole street looked like it had this glow on it. And I could see partially but not like you would normally see I could see partially. I said to her “Please come in the house.” She said “Oh no no I’ve got to get back to the school.” Michael walked me in I called my husband, I called my mom and I called the pastor of my church. I said to each one of them “I’ve been saved!” And my mom said “What are you talking about don’t let your Aunt Helen hear you say that!” Well my Aunt Helen was the oldest member of our family in the Lutheran church. “Don’t ever say that again” she said “The only time we hear that is from those fanatical people.” I said “What fanatical people mom?” She said “Like that Billy Graham when he comes on the television.” And I said “Oh that was so funny to me.” And I called the pastor and he said “You lay down I’m calling Frank I’ll be right there.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Joan: I’ve already called Frank and he’s on his way home and now they all get to the house at the same time and I’m saying “I’m saved, I’m saved and I know that I’m saved.” And they’re saying “You’ve been saved since the day we baptized you as an infant. You know the Lutheran’s are sprinkled as infants.” I said “No Sir this is a different experience, this is different.” They just couldn’t believe it but now they put me like in a fish bowl and they watched every move I made. And I knew that I wasn’t healed but I was saved and I was going to get to heaven so being healed of course I want it, but now I knew heaven was my eternal home and so being healed was secondary. So I talked to this lady that lead me to Jesus I said “If Jesus can save me surely He can heal me.” She said “I heard this lady and she said I’ve been to several healing meetings but I don’t know about them.” Well about 3 days later 4 days later I’m sitting there at the kitchen counter waiting for Michael to come home from school and I heard this woman say “Hello there, have you’ve been waiting for me.”

Sid: I remember that introduction well (Laughing).

Joan: (Laughing).

Sid: And by the way Mishpochah for those that are not familiar with Kathryn Kuhlman she just had probably the most sensational miracle ministry of our generation. I’m waiting for ministries like that to evolve and erupt all over the world but so far I haven’t seen one like hers previously. But when she started talking about miracles what was going on inside of you?

Joan: Well I turned her off the first day…

Sid: Why?

Joan: Because she was a woman no woman ever held any office in the Lutheran church.

Sid: (Laughing)

Joan: Weren’t even allowed to vote. Are you kidding all we were allowed to do was take care of babies and clean the cloths on the altar and clean the bathrooms and the kitchen and make fried chicken for the preacher on Sunday. And so no, no, no we didn’t have… although I knew that this was not where I should be and second day the same thing happened the third day I didn’t hear that woman. I heard a woman say “I was so sick the doctor’s said I was going to die and all I did was reach up my hand to heaven and say Jesus heal me” and she said “I felt His power go through my body” and she said “today I am alive and today I am perfectly made whole by God’s Holy Spirit.” And I said “What?” And I ran we had an intercom throughout the house and the speaker was in the wall and I felt my way around to that speaker and it said “It’s coming to you this program from the Kathryn Kuhlman Foundation in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.” Well the first thing I did was run to the phone and I said “Frank Jesus is in Pittsburgh healing.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Joan: Get home you’ve got to get me there. I called the preacher and I said Pastor Zigler come quick there’s a lady in Pittsburgh and Jesus is there with her and I’ve got to get there.” Well I preached to my mom and Frank showed up again and they’re saying “Oh, you can’t believe anything you hear on the radio or on the television Joan.”

Sid: Oh we’re out of time Joan but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Talking about supernatural, my next guest, when he speaks people that are, you know, cutters, they cut themselves and they have scars, the scars disappear. Sickness disappears. That’s normal, normal as defined by the Bible, that is. But he just had a word from God about the future of America and you are going to be shocked on what he’s going to tell you. I’ll be right back. You know, I was talking to Pat Schatzline before we came on the air and he told me a story about a 16-year-old girl that was a cutter. I don’t know if you know what cutters are, but they feel so bad about themselves.

PAT: Right.

SID: They cut themselves and they have these horrible scars. So she was in the audience when you were speaking. What happened?

PAT: Well I’ll never forget it. It was last year we were speaking, Sid, we were at this massive event in Indianapolis and there were several thousand. And all of a sudden the Spirit of the Lord said to me, “Go back to the very back of the outside, the big auditorium, the RCA dome there in Indianapolis.” And all of a sudden I’m standing back there with my team that travels with me and we had just seen an outpouring of God, thousands running to the altar. And all of a sudden I get back there and I’m just standing back there and this beautiful 16-year-old blond-headed girl comes running up to me, and she’s giggling and dancing. And all of a sudden she looks at me and she says, “I have to talk to you. I have to talk to you.” And I said, okay. And she goes, “I was raped by my dad. I was raped by my stepdad.” And I always say scars on Earth are testimonies in Heaven and God is taking this generation has been through and using it as their moment to overcome. It is their testimony of power. She said, “I was raped by my dad. I was raped my stepdad and I was raped by my boyfriend.” And she said, “But while you were preaching today,” she said, “the Lord said to me, ‘pull back your sleeves.’” And she’s a cutter. And you know, the Bible talks about in Second Corinthians, Chapter 6, Verse 18, “Don’t be unequally yoked.” But then it talks about what does the Messiah have in communion with Belial, and Belial means chief demon, but his name means lawlessness or worthlessness. And there’s a worthless spirit on this generation. They’ve been through so much. And she pulls her sleeves back and all of her scars, she’s weeping, she shows me pictures of her former arms, all her scars are gone. And this has been happening to us for four years, hundreds coming to us in the middle of the service. Here in Charlotte, back in January, two young ladies came running up, all the scars disappeared. And the Lord told me, I asked God, I said, “God, I don’t understand why this is happening in our services.” And the Lord spoke to me and he said, “Because when my love enters in I not only heal the inside when I break that orphan spirit, but I also heal the outside.”

SID: I’m feeling tears. There are people that are watching us right now that are cutters or worse.

PAT: Yeah.

SID: And I believe that you have to talk to them for one moment right now.

PAT: The Spirit of the Lord is all over you and he’s next to you right now wherever you’re at. And you feel his presence, and he is wrapping his arms around you, and he’s restoring you right now, and he’s breaking off that lying spirit of self-hatred, and he’s going to fix you. You are God’s unqualified remnant that he is raising up. Your testimony will be used by God. So wherever you’re at, if you’re watching us right now, if you’re in another country, if you’re on an island, if you’re in a hamlet or a village, the Spirit of the Lord is going to come on you right now. You feel that and his presence is going to begin to break that worthlessness off you because his spirit is roaring over you that you are God’s child and we speak healing over you in Jesus’ name.

SID: When I became a believer it was in the early ‘70s, Pat, the charismatic movement. Everyone was speaking in tongues. I have to tell you, as an unsaved Jewish man…

PAT: Yes.

SID: I went into a prayer meeting one day and they were speaking in tongues and everyone says, don’t do it front of a non-believer. Don’t you, I have to tell you, Pat, it was so exciting. You mean to me, tell me you’re speaking a language you’ve never been taught? Can I do that? That was the coolest thing I ever heard. Why has tongues been demoted to the back room or demoted out of the church when it’s Paul himself said, “I speak in tongues more than any man.” And Paul was southern. He says, “I wish y’all did.”

PAT: He’s from Alabama.

SID: He wasn’t Baptist. He was southern.

PAT: He was southern. If he was like me, he was a redneck. I think a lot of what I do as a redneck. He rode a tornado. Anyway, and so, I mean, God uses the nobodies. The Bibles says in Romans 8 that he makes intercession. The problem with us in this generation is we’re afraid of, which is actually the love language of God, we’re afraid of it. But the devil is not seeker sensitive. And this generation needs to be endued with power. So we don’t make it weird.

SID: What is going to happen to this generation if we hold back on the supernatural of God?

PAT: This generation wants the enduement with power. We can stand up in the middle of an altar, in the middle of a service, they coming running to get saved, and I’ll say here’s the next level, you ready? Because he makes intercession, Romans 8, through our prayer life. You ready to get a language between you and God? I’ve never seen anyone in our services, tens of thousands, raise their hand like they don’t want it. All we’re telling them is simple. You must let God encounter you. It’s real. What we thought was weird growing up, this generation thinks it’s cool. So don’t you dare, leaders, I’m telling you, don’t you stop this generation from having an encounter with the supernatural love language of God, a prayer language. Let them get filled with the Holy Ghost. Watch what happens.

SID: Pat, what happens when you share this revelation that God gave you and then the teaching connected to these young people that hear about the unqualified?

PAT: Immediately a holy boldness rises up in them and they understand that what they’ve been through is an indication of who they’re called to. That’s how you defeat the enemy. You take the stuff you’ve been through and it becomes your testimony. And when we start sharing this they start weeping. I had pastors calling me that are hearing this message, weeping even though I preached all over the world, traveled two million miles, I always valued that failure spirit. So we’re in with services and I share that and we, people, suddenly they start going, he can use me, a nobody? Eighty years old, 18 years old. I’m seeing it. We’re having senior adults come running up, you mean, I’m not supposed to just die?

SID: When we come back I’m going to let him release that prophetic word and I’m going to tell you, you are not Plan B. You are an original. You’re not an echo.

PAT: Come on.

SID: You’re a voice. You have significance.

PAT: Yes.

SID: Be right back.

SID: You know James, you’ve had so many encounters in Heaven. But there’s three in particular in which God commissioned James for imparting the activation of your spiritual senses. Tell me about some of those visitations.

JAMES: Well in September of 2009, I had a visit in Heaven with the Lord and he said, “I want you to begin to impart some of these things to other people.” And he showed me how he wanted me to do that, and it was really a command from the Lord. I was not too eager to do that, but the Lord pressed on me that this is important in this season. People really need to get their senses activated. There are things that are getting ready to happen and they need to be alert and aware, and ready to deal with these things. And so the Lord said you must do this. And I, all that time in the military I knew how to stand at attention, say yes sir, I will do it. And I began to do that. And then I had another visit like that in 2011 before I got ready to go to a ministry trip overseas. And the Lord said, “I want to give you an anointing to release an impartation for renewing the mind.” And he was specifically talking about how can you help people break free from the things that bind them up and prevent them from using their spiritual senses. And he said the primary things that we needed to break free from were unforgiveness, bitterness and strife. And he specifically said that when you pray for people I’m literally going to just burn these things out and set them free so that they can begin to operate in the spiritual gifts and the spiritual senses at a higher level than they’ve ever operated before.

SID: You know James, I have found a spiritual truth that I want your opinion on this, that is blowing my mind, so to speak, and here is the spiritual truth. When I talk about true things that are negative and all you have to do is watch the news and you can talk about true things that are negative, the presence, the Glory of God lifts off of me.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: And when I lift up the Messiah, when I talk about good and pure, and lovely, and things of a good report, just like it says to do in Philippians, the Glory increases. Now my mother didn’t raise a dummy. I like the Glory increasing. This is what I’m experiencing.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: Do you understand what I’m saying?

JAMES: Oh absolutely. One of the things that the Lord did say to me, I was so serious about some of these in the beginning. And the Lord spoke to me one day, and he said, “You know, you need to lighten up.” I think we need to lighten up. And some of these things that we’re holding onto are causing us to be under the spirit of heaviness. And God wants us to lighten up and let our emotions get free from this bondage so that he can begin to impart the things that we need in this season. He can begin to speak to us so we can we hear, he can begin to manifest things so we can see and God wants us to be set free from these limitations.

SID: Well you know something, James, just as you said lighten up, I don’t know what this has to do anything, except God started operating words of knowledge I know with you and I know with me right now, and I know he’s doing it with you.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: But people with arthritis in your fingers, bend them and you’ll see all the pain is gone and people with problems in their spine, you are healed in Yeshua’s name.

JAMES: Amen.

SID: In Jesus’ name you are healed. What’s God showing you?

JAMES: Well God was showing me that glaucoma is being healed. So if someone who is burdened with that, right now just receive that from the Lord and let the Lord release you from that. Be healed of glaucoma. And the Lord is saying that there are people who have literally a stiff neck, and pain in the neck and the shoulders, and the Lord has released a healing and anointing right now to break people free, and in the name of Jesus, just receive that healing. Also I heard from the Lord that there are people that their legs and their knees are kind of weak and maybe trembling right now. And the Lord wants to strengthen you for your walk in the Kingdom, so he’s releasing healing. If you have that right now, a weakness in your legs or in your knees, just receive from the Lord your healing. In the name of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach, we release these healings to you now.

SID: And a deaf spirit, I bind in Yeshua’s name.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: Is gone.

JAMES: Amen.

SID: Now you were recently in Israel and the Mount of Transfiguration. That’s another thing that provokes me to jealousy. I would have loved to have been there. Well I’ve been there many times, but I mean when the Glory was on you. His clothes even turned whiter than the color white. But what happened to you just recently at the Mount of Transfiguration, what happened?

JAMES: Well at the Mount of Transfiguration, we were just led to a certain spot with a big rock, and we sat down there, and just Heaven opened, and things began, the Glory came down. People began to experience healing—spirit, soul and body, not just bodily healing, but also in the spirit and the soul. And then suddenly, a door opened in Heaven. And I was looking at this open door, and it felt as if the spirit just lifted me up, and I went through that door, and went into Heaven where I met the Lord. And there with the Lord, he came over to me and he put his hands on my head, and he said, “I’m releasing an impartation to you right now to set people free from the limitations that prevent them from operating in the spiritual senses, in the spiritual gifts. And I want you to go back and begin to release this to other people.”

SID: How about when we come back I’m going to put a demand on the gift that James has and he’s going to pray for you. We’ll be right back.