Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him from his office at Millerstown, Pennsylvania is John McTernan. John was a Federal Agent for 26 years with the eternal security division of IRS. He also is cofounder of International Cops for Christ. And he has authored a book that you must read. The title “God’s Final Warning to America” which John has documented sins that have occurred like Gay Pride Day or a big pro-abortion type rallies or anti-Semitic or anti-Israel stances by the US. And the exact day judgment hits. Out of curiosity John have other people seen I mean this is too much it’s not 2 times it’s over and over and over again. Have other people been aware of this before they saw your book?

John: Sid I can say that people are really not aware of it. What they’ve told me is that as I have spoken throughout the nation is that we knew that we were under judgment we’ve seen these earthquakes and we knew that we were under judgment we just didn’t put it together like you have. So I’ve seem to be a catalyst for a lot of people in that it ties together what they knew was occurring but they just didn’t have.

Sid: How about people that have never even thought about this what affect does it have when they see the sin and the judgment occurring the same day in America?

John: Yeah I’ve had people tell me that there it’s done that they were like paralyzed when they realized that God was so real. You know it wasn’t like something way off in the future that it was happening right under their noses the authority of God’s word became so real to them that they were paralyzed when they saw it.

Sid: Okay I’m going to have a lot of people upset if I don’t pose the question we ended with on yesterday’s broadcast. And that is President Clinton was as we know humiliated internationally on a specific day when the affair of Lewinski became public on that specific day?

John: Well Sid on that day he had met with Prime Minister Netanyahu who then was the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, over again I use the expression carving up the covenant land. And he was using the power of the United States to pressure Netanyahu into this peace process. So he had just finished with Netanyahu and it was about it was either a half hour or an hour in between that he was going to meet with Yasser Arafat for the same purpose. During that down time of approximately half hour or an hour while Arafat was waiting to meet with him that’s when the President was told about the breaking of the Lewinski scandal. Exactly as he was going to meet with Arafat that scandal broke.

Sid: Do you have any…

John: Not an hour later or an hour before I mean exactly as Arafat was waiting for him that scandal broke.

Sid: Is there any doubt that that’s a direct correlation that that’s a judgment from God?

John: Well this is the way I look at it Sid he was humiliating Israel and then at the same time he was humiliated.

Sid: Now you list I mean even when people like Arafat come to the United States and try to solicit United States to be anti-Israel what happens to our stock market?

John: Sid while you were talking I had my book in front of me and I was counting the number of times Arafat has come here and we have had judgments fall on us it’s 9. Actually I have one that’s in addition to the book if we have a chance I’ll speak of it so I have 10 incidences when Arafat has come that disaster has hit us.

Sid: Alright give us specific examples.

John: Okay Sid we had March 2, 1997 and Arafat comes to meet with Former President Clinton in Washington. And on that same day and I’m going to try and…there’s been so many disasters it may be hard for you to remember but if you think back to 1997 there was a city in Arkansas which ironically is the President’s home state Arkadelphia it was literally taken…

Sid: That was President Clinton’s home state, go ahead.

John: Yeah former President Clinton it was literally taken off the map well up to that time it was considered the worst tornado storm in the United States history. Tornados when they cross Arkansas it cost billions of dollars worth of damage and they went into settled over…the storm settled over Ohio resulting in triennial rain that caused the worst flooding in 100 years in Ohio. That all started that very time the very day Arafat came to meet with President Clinton over the covenant land of Israel, just incredible storms hit. In fact the flooding ended up taking the city of Thelma, Kentucky right off the map. So with Arafat here we had 2 small cities in the United States literally taken off the map with the storms. And then Arafat went to the United Nations. Sid do you remember back in 1997 when the whole world was upset because Israel was building housing homes in east Jerusalem?

Sid: Of course.

John: It was called Har homa?

Sid: Yes I do.

John: Right well he went Arafat that’s why he met with President Clinton then. Can you imagine over there in Israel building homes the whole world was literally upset. He was met with President Clinton and then he went to the United Nations the very day he went to the United Nations the stock market had reached up until that point it had zenith. From that day on while he was here, because he stayed for about a week or 2 more and then President Clinton was condemning Netanyahu for not going along with the peace and building these homes. The stock market free falled for 100’s and 100’s and 100’s of points until Netanyahu came in August and met with President Clinton. And then President Clinton dropped the attack on Israel over, and you don’t hear about any more about Har Homa? The whole attack ended, Arafat went home the stock market went back up like the very day. So the very day Arafat came to the United States and spoke to the United Nations and was demanding and commanding Israel the United Nations was condemning Israel and that period of time Israel was condemned 4 times by the General Counsel and by the Security Council, but the stock market was literally going out of control and freefall. And then it all ended the stock market started an upward progression again. We’re not talking about a week before and a week afterward we’re talking about starting on the very day. So that’s really what I know was the correlation with Arafat that’s the first time I noticed the judgment falling over Israel. And then we go to January 21, 1998 and that’s when…that’s the question you just asked me before about Lewinski Arafat was here and the scandal broke out. September 27, 1998 Arafat is meeting with the President in Washington the hurricane I’m going to pronounce it right it’s Georges not George it’s Alabama and it stalls. I’ve documented the hurricane almost hit the very time Arafat landed in the United States he met with the former Secretary of State Albright. He stayed 3 days to meet with the president and the former president and the former Secretary of State. He then spoke at the United Nations and he left. For those exact 3 days the hurricane stalled at the Gulf of Mexico it sat half in the Gulf and half hitting Alabama and Mississippi and then when he left the hurricane dissipated and that was the end of it. So for the exact 3 days that he was here the Gulf Coast was being racked by Hurricane Georges I think did 2 billion I think it did several billion dollars worth of damage the exact time that Yasser Arafat was here.

Sid: In your book you document every time we go against Israel, every time we have a homosexual events, every time we have pro-murder of pro-abortion events there is judgment that hits on the precise day. And you call it warning judgments and is there a chance that God will change His mind.

John: Sid I can’t speak for God but I think we’ve crossed a threshold now where when you start marrying homosexuals and you call it civil rights because God’s plan even before the fall Sid there was a man and a woman and a family that was God’s plan from the beginning. When you start tampering with that and marrying homosexuals and attack people that stand against that we reach the realm Sid that is right that I call reprobate. When you can take a baby out of the mother accept for a little bit of the skull and crack the skull open and suck the brains out and kill the baby and that’s a constitutional right we’ve crossed a threshold Sid that I don’t know if we can come back from. When you disregard God’s word and his covenant with His people Israel and you say you we’re going to force you to give a third of Jerusalem away where the Temple Mount is and the land of Judea and Samara is we’ve crossed a threshold Sid and I think in these 3 areas we’ve crossed the threshold where our prayer now has to be to have mercy and judgment.

Sid: Well I interviewed Anita Johnson who’s received the same type of prophetic warnings from God and she is saying the same thing the only prayer at this point is to stall judgment for the sake of revival. However there are so few believers have the information that you’ve assembled in this book. But you’ve said to me that God supernaturally put this documentation into your hands. You know Mishpochah if it was the same week then we call these things coincidence but one sin after another that is publically documented the exact day that the sin occurs you can see a judgment hit America. On tomorrows broadcast I would like you talk just a bit about the abortion issue and the direct correlation of judgments that have occurred to the United States of America.

SID: What is the millennium and is there a job assignment or we just have regular jobs like we always do.

PERRY: Let’s explain this. When we come back from Heaven, in Revelation 19, with Christ, we will come back and rule with him for 1000 years. Now people have this real misconception of what the millennium is. They think we just kind of float around, we kind of chill out, we go the mountain, the city, we lay around and drink a soda and hey man, everything is cool. What happens is Jesus said it this way, “Because you’ve been faithful over little things I’ll make you ruler over many.” Basically kings, priests and rulers is our position. That’s pretty remarkable to think about.

SID: Now every presidential election, recently, God has spoken and advanced you who would be president.

PERRY: Since the ‘90s, I do studies from the Hebraic perspective on numbers, and you know this, and I have so much fun with this. I did something very different I’ve never done before. I went to President 43, 44 and 45 and I said this in President 44, I said, 44 is division. Now I’m telling this. I don’t know who he is or she is, whoever. I said but the 44 is double division. And I said you’re going to see the country split right down middle. Now I’m saying all this, you know, I’m saying to myself, God, trust me, after me telling people it was God’s will for Bush to be president, when he won I got a relief because they would have stoned me for being a false prophet. I got on TV and told it. Okay now, let me go back to this real quick while it’s on my mine. So I started looking at number 45. You all ready for this? This is crazy. If you take the 40 and the 5 in the Hebrew alphabet it’s Ma, not mom, but Ma. Do you know what the word Ma means? What.

SID: What.

PERRY: It means “what”. Here’s what’s going to happen. Everybody mark this down. Whoever gets in people are going to say, “What?!” That’s what they’re going to say. Remember. What?! How did this happen? What? What is going on? What?! Watch it. And so I will say this. I will say this and I’m not going to name them because I get a boldness when I sense the anointing, but I also have learned to restrain. Four years ago I saw a man and God spoke to me and said, “I am going to raise this man up to be a leader.” Now I will not name because this stuff goes everywhere and then people copy it and they paste, and people, if they don’t like the person they’re calling my office and cussing my office staff out. I’m serious. People are crazy. It is possible he will be a vice presidential candidate, and if he is there is no doubt in my mind that person will win if that person is selected. Very strong Christian. That’s all I’m going to say. There’s other things I could say. But I believe this is the person who’s supposed to come on the ticket. Now I’m not going to name who it is. Now I may tell you privately so if this happens.

SID: You already have.

PERRY: Yes, okay. Did I really? Oh boy. See, I learned to keep my mouth shut.

SID: Perry, Jesus went away to enable us to have access into the Kingdom and there’s something called the Lamb’s Book of Life. What is that?

PERRY: Lamb’s Book of Life is what I call the registry to give you access to eternity in the New Jerusalem. To get in that book of life you have to be born again, you have to have a redemptive covenant with Jesus Christ.

SID: If you sincerely say the prayer I’m going to lead you in right now and you mean it to the best of your ability, you will not have to look back and you will not have to wonder. I want to see that your name is inscribed in the Lamb’s Book of Life for sure.

PERRY: Yes, yes, yes.

SID: So repeat this after me, even if you’ve been a believer 30 years, 50 years. Let’s reestablish who you are. Repeat after me. Dear God.

Audience: Dear God.

SID: I’m a sinner.

Audience: I’m a sinner.

SID: Against you.

Audience: Against you.

SID: And you alone have I sinned.

Audience: And you alone have I sinned.

SID: And I’m so sorry.

Audience: And I’m so sorry.

SID: I believe.

Audience: I believe.

SID: That Jesus came to Earth.

Audience: That Jesus came to Earth.

SID: He lives sinless.

Audience: He lives sinless.

SID: He died.

Audience: He died.

SID: He was buried.

Audience: He was buried.

SID: He rose from the dead.

Audience: He rose from the dead.

SID: And because he did that.

Audience: And because he did that.

SID: He paid the price for every bad thing I’ve ever done.

Audience: He paid the price for every bad thing I’ve ever done.

SID: And his precious blood.

Audience: And his precious blood.

SID: Washed away my sins.

Audience: Washed away my sins.

SID: God, I’ve repented.

Audience: God, I’ve repented.

SID: And I thank you. You’re a good God.

Audience: And I thank you. You’re a good God.

SID: And I am clean.

Audience: And I am clean.

SID: Because of the blood of Jesus.

Audience: Because of the blood of Jesus.

SID: Thank you, Jesus.

Audience: Thank you, Jesus.

SID: And now that I’m clean.

Audience: And now that I’m clean.

SID: I boldly proclaim.

Audience: I boldly proclaim.

SID: Jesus is my Lord.

Audience: Jesus is my Lord.

SID: Lord Jesus.

Audience: Lord Jesus.

SID: Come inside of me.

Audience: Come inside of me.

SID: O I love you, Lord.

Audience: O I love you, Lord.

SID: I thank you that my name.

Audience: I thank you that name.

SID: Is inscribed in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Audience: Is inscribed in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

SID: Amen.

Audience: Amen.

SID: Thank you Jesus!

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. We’ve been had. We’ve been robbed. It’s been stolen from us. If you only knew the power of the blood of Jesus, if you only knew how much power you have. Well let me tell you something, the greatest revival to ever hit America and parts of the world, Azusa Street Revival, they knew the power behind the blood of Jesus and you’re about ready to know it. You want to? Well Billye, I met you many years ago. I went to a Kenneth Hagin meeting and I just happened to sit next to you. How many years ago was that?

BILLYE: It had to be 30 or 35, Sid, I was thinking about it.

SID: Yes, I think so. Now here’s the story on Billye. She was an editor for a decade for Dr. Kenneth Hagin, Sr. and she was working on a book. I think it was called the “Woman Question”. She read the book and found out, huh, a woman can be in ministry.

BILLYE: I knew I was called to preach from three years old and I had been brought up in a denomination that said women could not preach. And so then when I went to work for Brother Hagin, actually, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit through his ministry, and then came to work for him. My first book that I did was “The Woman Question”. And one day I was sitting in this room and I was typing it, and a presence came into the room. I don’t know if it was an angel or if it was Jesus, but it was a presence of the Lord, because I bent over my typewriter and I cried, and I said, “Oh Lord, do you mean I can answer the call on my life and not get in trouble of the judgment seed of God.” That’s always been what I was afraid of. And then this voice says to me, this presence, really, “Yes and one day you will leave here. But now this is your Bible school. You don’t know anything.” And I had been born again 20 years. I was 28 years old, but I didn’t know enough. I needed to go to that Bible school and sit under Brother Hagin. And then when it came ten years later, the Lord talked to both Brother Hagin and to me about my going out into full time ministry, and Brother Hagin ordained me.

SID: Now you were told of the increase of the supernatural against believers that was coming on Planet Earth and the importance of the blood of Jesus. Tell me about that.

BILLYE: Well actually, I began to have visions. I was teaching a Sunday school class at the time and I had visions of the Fall. I had visions of how man was crowned with glory and how he fell from the glory. And when I had that vision and saw that, I was so overcome. But the Lord revived me with the scripture ticker-tape going into me. “The captain of your salvation is bringing many sons to glory.” Then I saw there was going to be a glorious church without a spot or a wrinkle, and I knew about this great move of God that was coming right at the end, and I was looking for it. I expected it any day, and I saw something else. I saw things happening in the Body of Christ, of course Satan trying to stop that move of glory. I saw brothers who had preached the same message splitting. I saw inexplicable deaths. So I’m going to God, God, what’s happening? I’m seeing this, I’m seeing that. I’m looking for the Glory, I’m seeing this, I’m seeing that. And he said, “You preach on End Time things, do you not?” When God talks to you and asks you questions you’re kind of in a corner. You almost want to say, what do you think? I mean, go like that. He said, “What did I tell you would be happening in the end?” And I knew where to look, Revelation, Chapter 12. “And the devil has come down to you with great wrath because he sees his time is coming.” That’s fixed time. There’s a time when he’s going to be out of here, when Adam’s lease is up. And then the Lord said to me, “Back up a verse.” I backed up a verse. “And they overcame him with the blood of the lamb and with the word of their testimony and loved not their life to the death.” Then came this insatiable need in me to find out about the blood, the blood of the lamb and I started reading. I read in Brother Hagin’s book where he said everything we have is on the basis of the blood, the blood of the covenant, the shed blood of Jesus.

SID: There was a term, “plead the blood.”

BILLYE: “Plead the blood.” That’s right.

SID: What does that mean?

BILLYE: Well I didn’t know for a while until I read it in here in Brother Hagin’s book and studied, and he said, “The old timers knew secrets about the blood that we don’t know.” And he said, “They would plead the blood.” He said, “That is scriptural.” And he said, “The way I say it is, in the name of Jesus I plead the blood of Jesus.” Well I had to know what the old timers knew. And so I’m finding out about the blood of Jesus. I’m reading about the blood of Jesus and those old timers, around that revival you talked, about, Azusa, they heard this phrase: “Make much of the blood and the blood will make much of you.” So they made much of the blood. The songs we have, songs came with that move of God and songs come with moves of God. And the songs that came with that were, “There’s power in the blood. What will wash away your sins? Nothing but the blood.” And another one, [singing] “Under the blood, the precious blood, under the saving, his cleansing blood. My savior keeps me this very day under the precious blood.”

SID: Would you say out loud how you plead the blood of Jesus. Give me an example. What do you say?

BILLYE: Well I’m going to have to move over into that realm of authority, too, right now, because the blood has to do with authority, the authority of the believer.

SID: I want you to plead the blood in combat against it.

BILLYE: All right. I’ll do it right now. Here’s what I do.

SID: All right.

BILLYE: First, I pray the prayer in Ephesians, which tells me I’m seated up there. And then I say, O Father, I’m so thankful. I’m so thankful to you for this seat you have given me here. And you told me to rule and reign over darkness, and you told me in Colossians that you translated out of the authority of darkness. So now, Father, for your glory, I’m going to turn to the darkness. I do this every morning, first thing. And I say, kingdom of darkness you listen up, it is written that I’ve been translated out of your authority. It is written that I’m seated at the right hand of the Father, the seat of power of all creation. It is written that I’m to rule and reign over you, and here’s how I’m ruling and reigning over you right now. I plead the blood of Jesus between you and me. I plead the blood of Jesus over my spirit, soul and body. I plead the blood of Jesus over my four children. I name them. Their mates, I name them. I plead the blood of Jesus over my ten grandchildren, their mates. I plead the blood of Jesus over my three great-grandchildren, two unborn. Don’t you touch them today. They’re off limits to you. I’m ruling and reigning over you. I’m ruling and reigning over all the good works that God has ordained that I should walk in, Prayer Mountain in the Ozarks and the church in Collinsville, and everything, I name it. You’re not striking Branson, Missouri, where I live. You’re not having any terrorist activity come to pass today here. You’re not doing it in Oklahoma and Collinsville. You’re not doing it, and I name all the places he’s not doing it. You’re not touching my partners. You’re not touching our monies. And I rule and reign over him each day in the morning. And then when I go to bed at night I cry out for the blood of Jesus to be upon me.

SID: You know what? I want to find out how a lifetime of praying this type of prayer has affected her, her children and her grandchildren. Would you like to find that out when we come back?

SID: Sid Roth here with John and Lisa Bevere. And pornography, it’s insidious. When you started, it wasn’t that pervasive. Right now, how pervasive is it?

JOHN: Right now you have 40 million Americans that are visiting porn sites a year. One in every ten websites is a porn site, one in every ten was the biggest of any except until social media just took over. You have 50 percent of Christian males are addicted to pornography. Seventy percent of Christian males visit, this is [from] CNN.

SID: Fifty percent.

JOHN: Addicted.

SID: Wow.

JOHN: And then you have 70 percent that visit pornography, according to, this is a CNN report.

SID: Is this just men?

JOHN: It’s also women. One in five women are addicted to pornography. So you’ve got an epidemic here that’s kept in the closet amongst Christians. I was in that situation. My first four years of marriage with Lisa were like terrible because of the guilt that I was carrying because of pornography. And I remember opening up to a man of God, he sharply rebuked me. But I remember it wasn’t until a year later, about nine months later I went on a four-day fast and I realized that what I was doing was breaking the heart of the one I loved, Jesus, and then breaking the heart of the other one I loved, Lisa. And when I realized that I was hurting God’s heart that was godly sorrow that led me to the deliverance that 2 Corinthians, chapter 7 tells us about. Before, I was scared what was going to happen to me. Am I going to be judged? Am I going to lose my ministry? Am I going to, you know, what are the ramifications of losing my marriage. That’s worldly sorrow. That’s when the focus is on us. But when I realized I was hurting God’s heart, that was what led me to get the freedom. And I can say now today, I was free on May the 6th, 1985, completely free. But what had to happen was God had to renew my mind.

SID: Lisa, you got so angry with John one day, you took your engagement ring off.

LISA: I did. I did. I said, we are married, but we are not engaged. I don’t know what I was thinking. I thought that would just make a statement.

JOHN: It did.

LISA: Well I was really upset with him and I brought it to God because I really felt like God was on my side. I thought he was upset with John, too. So I was like, God, you see what he does. You see how he talks to me. God, you see this. And all he would say to me was, “Lisa, tell me that I’m enough for you.” And I said, “If I tell you that you’re enough for me does that mean John’s not going to change? If that’s what it means I’m not going to put my ring back on. I’m not going to do this.” And he said, “No, I really need to hear from you that I am enough for you.” So I remember, I said, “All right God, you’re enough for me.” And then it went from, “you’re enough for me” to “you are more than enough for me.” And when God became more than enough for me then I had more than enough for John. And so then it was, you know, God began to open up John’s heart and he began to move in both of our lives. But we’re both stubborn. And so it takes pressing into the presence of God for a lot of times for us to hear things.

SID: But John, you reached a point that you hit Lisa.

JOHN: First three years of our marriage, I’m so ashamed to say this, but I realize I’ve got to open up because I really want to see this completely eradicated from any marriage. I remember the shame that I carried and Lisa did a wonderful thing. She locked me out of the house. And she said, “You’re not coming in.” I said, “Open up.” She said, “You’re not coming in.” She said, “Go figure this out.” So I went to some friends’ house and I spent the, you know, the weekend fasting. And I remember I came back a real changed man and you know, the thing is, is God has given men a stronger vessel. I mean, when Peter says, “Honor your wife as the weaker vessel,” the only thing that means is that she can’t bench press much as you. That’s all it means. So here, God makes us the guardian of a woman with a frailer frame and not a strong frame, and also is sensitive and tender, and sensitive and tenderness is a strength. Our job is to guard and protect them. What I was doing and what justified me striking back is she would provoke me so much by attacking me so much I felt justified. Well when I realized that, I said, I will never, ever do this again. But that is not a place at all in a marriage. A man, no matter how much he feels like he’s being talked, attacked, dishonored by his wife, he should not dishonor her back by touching her or speaking to her in a dishonoring way.

SID: When things were at their worst, God spoke to you and this might have shocked you, but when things were at their worst, God told you to back him?

JOHN: This was amazing. I was just, I had had it. I thought there is no hope left for our marriage. I went to God and just said, “God, I’ve had it. I’ve just had it. I just can’t go another day.” And the Lord, I remember I was out and it was quiet for quite a while. Then all of a sudden, I heard the Holy Spirit say, “I want you to thank me for one thing about Lisa, just one thing.” I said, “Well she’s a good mom.” And then all of a sudden I said, “She’s a good cook.” And then I said, “And she really dresses well.” And I said, “She’s made a beautiful house.” And all of a sudden things started pouring out of me how much I was thankful for, for this woman, you know. And I thought, you jerk, you idiot, oh my gosh. And I remember going back to the house and I thought, she’s not going to listen to what I’m going to say. But I just said, “Lisa, I’ve been so stupid. You’re a phenomenal mother, a phenomenal cook, you have kept such a beautiful home. You care so tenderly for people and for me. I’m so sorry.” And what I was amazed at is she softened, too. And that was the real, I would say, turning point for our marriage is when that happened. And so I realized that in situations you’re always going, you know, the enemy wants to destroy your marriage. He just wants to destroy it. So you’re going to get into situations where you think, I mean, come on, Jesus sweat drops of blood in the garden. So did he quit? No. Okay, you’re going to get, and I’m just going to tell you, you’re going to get to places in your marriage possibly that you’re going to go, I can’t handle it anymore. And that’s, you’re like right at the brink of a breakthrough many times, if you’ll just listen to the counsel of God’s Word.

SID: I’m telling you, there is hope. There is nothing hopeless in God. Nothing. All things are possible.

JOHN: That’s right, Sid.

SID: We’re going to be right back.

SID: Sid Roth here with Cherie Calbom. And Cherie, I’ve never heard of this. I mean, I’ve heard of inflammation, of course. But I’ve never heard it being the root of most diseases. What is inflammation, for starters?

CHERIE: Inflammation, if we see it on the surface like a cut or a sprained ankle, we see redness, swelling, irritation. It’s obvious. But inside at the cellular level, we can’t see that a little cell is distressed. They call it the silent killer. It’s a big frontier of study right now, inflammation being at the root of every condition that there is, and we must get it down. And what is it? It’s a distressed cell and it’s an over-reaction of the immune system. And so this is going on right down at the cellular level, and every disease out there, if you’re listening right now and you say, oh, I’ve got something wrong with me, you’ve got inflammation and we want to show you how to get that down.

SID: Okay. Well when you have inflammation, aren’t there medical things, pills and things you can take to get rid of it? Isn’t that the simple way? And I know you’re not going to like that, but I have to ask you.

CHERIE: You had to ask, didn’t you?

SID: Yes.

CHERIE: Yeah. Well you know, a lot of those pills add to your inflammation, add to the toxicity in the body. What we need is the anti-inflammation diet. We need food that bring inflammation down in our body. We need to not eat the foods that are pro-inflammation.

SID: Let’s talk about that a little bit. What would cause, what are we eating that’s causing inflammation and is it increasing in society?

CHERIE: It is increasing and studies show that. And what I’m about to tell is based on scientific studies, one thing right after another. The number one cause of inflammation today, and this is based on studies, scientific studies at universities, is junk food. All the packaged, boxed stuff that we eat has things in it: additives, wrong types of sugar, dyes, preservatives, pesticides, on and on it goes. The body was never designed for this kind of stuff pouring into our bodies. And so many people are getting the convenience foods, packaged things, things that are making, things they think are easy, making life simple for them, it’s making us sick. Number two are all the sugars and they’re bad sugars: high fructose corn syrup, fructose and in everything, all the artificial sweeteners, and too much sugar and sugar in all different forms not created by God, and way too much sugar. We were never designed for that. Scripture says, “A little honey, not a whole lot.” That’s what we eat all day long.

SID: I thought it said, eat as much as you want. I got a lot on this (unintelligible).

CHERIE: So that’s based on scientific study, too, way too much sugar, and sugar is an inflammation-causing product. We cannot be eating this sugar. And people eat it all day long, a sugary cereal for breakfast, sweeten their tea or their coffee. They may have a little dessert for lunch, a little energy bar packed with sugar, a dessert after dinner. We’ve got sugar, sugar, sugar all day long, and packaged foods.

SID: Wait a second. They package things right now with artificial sugar. It doesn’t give you any calories. It’s wonderful, zero calories.

CHERIE: Zero calories and I say scary, scary stuff. And you know why? Now studies are showing it’s supposed to be the diet sweetener, right? It makes people overweight, 500 times more addictive and making people want to eat more sweets and it deranges our metabolism, and it causes people to gain much more weight, and to want to eat more food, and to want to eat more sweets. And then they’ve done studies showing statistically, when artificial sweeteners came on the market, a couple years later, brain tumors spiked way up. If you see a bar graph, you’ll see a big spike and you’ll see all sorts of migraine headaches and other problems, and central nervous system problems. These are not things God designed.

SID: Are you telling me if you get your inflammation under control, you’ll get your heart under control?

CHERIE: You will. And studies have proven that. In fact, right at the top of the list of what is contributing to heart disease is high inflammation. And there I found a quote by a cardiologist, and he said, “If you did not have inflammation in your body irritating your arteries, cholesterol would flow freely on through.”

SID: No, no, no. We have cholesterol medicine now. No problem, Cherie. That’s what doctors push, cholesterol medicine.

CHERIE: No problem. Pop a pill, right?

SID: Yeah.

CHERIE: It’s supposed to answer everything. You know, there’s a study out of the U.K., the WIN Institute did a study and found as many people died of heart disease with low cholesterol as with high, and they said we find no correlation with cholesterol. God created cholesterol. It’s there to plug up a wound. If we cut ourselves, we want cholesterol, goes in and plugs it up. If we have an irritated artery, that cholesterol is going to go in and cover up that wound in your artery or irritation. It’s done what God called it to do. What do we have to do? Get that irritation down, get that inflammation down.

SID: So we’re going after the symptoms rather than the causes. That’s what I’m hearing you say.

CHERIE: We are. And God is always wise and he’s saying, go to the root of the problem. “Come out from among them, my people,” he says, “and be separate because I’ve given you the food, the diet, the plan.” He designed this body. It was like you got a Ford and you said, I don’t want to put in the right fuel that Ford, said put that in that car, I want to put in what I think is great. Uh-uh. God says, here’s the fuel for your body, this is what’s going to give you health, vitality, wholeness, vibrant health, so you can go do that work in the Kingdom. You can help all those people get on the train you’re talking about. You need, we need lots of workers. We are all needed in this great time of harvest.

SID: You know, you told me that you got so many responses from the last time you were on our show. Tell me about someone from, the woman from India. It’s a neat story.

CHERIE: I’m so excited about her. She went to her doctor and had a large cyst on her ovary. It measured, if my memory is correct, at 4 by 3 centimeters. She had no insurance, no money to get that taken care of, and really no hope. And saw our last show, and said, okay, I’m going to get this package, and I’m going to give it a try. And she got a juicer, and she started juicing, and she changed her diet. And eight months later, went back to her doctor, and he said the cyst is gone. Thanks be to God. It was a miraculous healing.

SID: You know, when we come back, you’re going to find out that it’s the most wonderful, nutritious food that you can eat. It’s not just juicing. It’s a whole diet. Are you interested in seeing what it’s like? We’ll be right back

SID: You know, one of the things I notice about Dr. Virkler is he smiles a lot. He laughs a lot. Were you always this way?

MARK: No. I was very, very stuck in the mud and very sober, and very control-oriented. And when I began to journal and use vision, and I saw Jesus, he was laughing hilariously all the time. And I said, “Lord, you know, I’m so uptight here.” He said, “Mark, relax. I got everything under control. It’s okay.” And he taught me to laugh.

SID: Now actually, I’ve heard from a medical viewpoint, laughing releases chemicals inside the body that heal you.

MARK: It’s absolutely healing, and we as Christians, we need to laugh. A merry heart does good like medicine. It heals our body. So he wants us to be healthy, so he draws us into laughter.

SID: Okay. Tell me again what Jesus said to you and then the four supernatural keys that came from Heaven on how to hear God’s voice. And by the way, is this something for everyone or just special people like you, you’re a minister.

MARK: This is for everybody. All right. I’ve taught it from five year olds up to 92-year-olds. They’ve all heard the voice of God. If they will use these four keys we guarantee them. They will hear the voice of God. And it’s worked for 35 years, all over world on all the continents I’ve taught it on.

SID: Tell me what God told you and what are the four keys.

MARK: All right. So the Lord said, “I’m going to teach you to hear my voice.” So he took me to Habakkuk 2:1 and 2. Now Habakkuk is a prophet, he could hear the voice of God.

SID: That’s what makes him a prophet.

MARK: That’s what makes him a prophet. And so he says, “I’m going to my guard post,” which means, go have a quiet place to get alone with God. And I think all of us knew that was important. All right. So I quiet myself down. And then Habakkuk said, that was key number one, “Just quiet yourself down” with some soft soaking music. Great way to do it, I mean, King David, he used soft music in the background 24/7, just beautiful worship music. It’s a great way to quiet yourself down. And then Habakkuk said, “I’m going to keep watch to see what the Lord is going to speak.” And I said, what? You should be saying, I’m going to listen to hear what the Lord is going to speak. I mean, because what are you trying to see? I mean, when I’m trying to hear God’s voice, I’m not trying to see anything, I’m trying to hear it. And the Lord said, “Mark, vision is a very important part of prayer and you should take the eyes of your heart, and you should pray over them like Paul prayed. I prayed that the eyes of your heart would be enlightened. And you should fix them on Jesus, and you should see Jesus present with you.”

SID: Wait a second. This sounds like visualization, which is a new age concept.

MARK: Right, exactly and it might also be a biblical concept. You just never know.

SID: Give me a scripture.

MARK: Well how about Acts 2:25, David. David says, “I behold the Lord always in my presence. He’s at my right hand and I will not be shaken.” And in Psalm 16:8, where he’s quoting that from, he says, “I have set the Lord at my right hand.” So that means, he took and decided to picture the Lord right there.

SID: And just because the new age copies biblical things doesn’t mean we should throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.

MARK: Well the fact they copied that means it was worth enough to copy. You don’t copy one-dollar bills. You only copy twenties and fifties. So I don’t throw anything out to be copied. I find what’s the bill value, let’s do it. We say, “A picture is worth a thousand words.” So maybe if I see Jesus here next to me, it might have a thousand times more power to impact my life than just thinking he’s next to me. And so I’m going to turn my theology into pictures.

SID: I have to ask you, what does Jesus look like when you visualize him?

MARK: Well for me, he has long flowing white robes. He’s got sandals on his feet, very gentle, loving countenance, eyes that twinkle, big smile on his face. That’s what I normally see. All right. And when I first started seeing vision, I only saw him from the shoulders on down.

SID: I was going to ask you that because many people have never had a vision of Jesus. In fact, most believers never have. So you kind of started without even seeing his face.

MARK: That’s right. You know, and then after a week or two, I did begin to see his eyes twinkling and a big smile on his lips and other people have told me the same thing. They start with his shoulders on down, and as you move into intimacy and you use the eyes of your heart purposefully, more appears. And the more intensely you look, the more you see, too. And you know, we define this as godly imagination. We say, godly imagination is picturing those things that God says are so. So I’m not afraid of godly imagination. I have a definition for it. If God says Jesus is with me, I can picture that and then I can do more than that. I can say, Holy Spirit, take over this scene. Bring it alive so it’s more than a godly imagination. Let me step into a flowing vision. And as I release it, I step into a flowing vision and I step from a godly imagination into a vision, and I do it all the time. And everyone who is listening can do that every single day of their life, and they can see vision all the time.

SID: Now Mark talks about something that is so intriguing to me, because I’ve heard a lot of other people talk about this, and that is, he can go into the Throne Room of God for godly wisdom. How would you like some godly wisdom on some of the things going on in your life right now? Tell me about this going into the Throne Room.

MARK: Well a prophet said to me, “Well why don’t you ask the Lord where he wants to meet you.” And I said, okay. And I said, “Lord, where do you want to meet me?” He said, “I’d like to meet you in Heaven.” I said, “Why?” He said, “Because I live there.” And I said, “Well of course, you want to show me around your home, right?” And so it’s a matter of selecting a different picture. So instead of me deciding to picture of Jesus at the Sea of Galilee, I decided to picture him in Heaven there with him, because I am in Heaven. So are you. We are seated with Christ in heavenly places.

SID: That’s right. The scripture says that we’re in two places at one time.

MARK: Exactly.

SID: We’re here and according to Ephesians, we’re there.

MARK: So, exactly. And so I can either think that I’m seated with him or I can see myself seated with him. If it’s okay to think it, it’s okay to see it.

SID: Tell me about, and because I really relate to his, seeing all the things that are coming on this earth right now. Just hearing the news every day, you can get to be a very negative person, and this is what happened to Mark. What did you do about that?

MARK: I was looking at Washington, D.C. in my mind’s eye and I was saying, I don’t like what I see. I’m very, I see a lot of evils and improper behavior.

SID: You don’t have to tell us. We all see the same thing.

MARK: And I was full of anger at what I saw, and I was full of fear. And I thought, well those aren’t gifts of the Holy Spirit, those aren’t fears of the Holy Spirit. There’s something wrong. And so I said, “Lord, what’s wrong?” He said, “Well you’re looking at Washington, D.C. and you don’t see me there.” I said, “You’re right. I just see politicians.” He said, “Well you’re not seeing truth, because the truth is I’m everywhere.” I said, “Oh you did mention that somewhere in the Bible, did you.” And so obviously, I’m looking at a picture that contains a lie, which is Jesus isn’t there. So let’s throw it out and get a picture that contains the truth. And I said, “Jesus, where are you in Washington?” And this is my morning devotions, and I looked for a vision, and a picture floats into my mind of Jesus enthroned on a throne, above Washington, D.C., his flowing robes flowing down over Congress and the White House, his Glory streaming down over Congress and the White House. And he said in my heart, he said, “Mark, I rule in Washington, D.C.”

SID: I like that picture. When we come back, we’ll get the rest of these supernatural keys.

Sid:  What about you are you lukewarm? Well you keep listening to this show this week and I believe the anointing that the manifest presence of the living God is just going to pour out of this radio and just grab you and touch you and revitalize you, revive you; cause you to stop being so backslidden and come to your senses because we’re living in the most exciting the greatest time in the history of planet earth. Where the world is trying to figure out what’s going to happen next? What’s going on with this terrorism? What’s happening to the world? What’s going to happen to our economy? God’s got it all under control and we’re coming into the greatest move of God’s Spirit in the history of mankind.

The exact timing as to where we are right now can be found in the Prophet Joel. In the Prophet Joel we read about a time in history that looks very much like today. Starting in the third chapter “For behold in those days and at that time when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem I will also gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there on account of My people, My heritage Israel whom they have scattered among the nations. They have also divided up My land.” There’s a time in history God says where Jews will return to a land called Israel and the nations will be very jealous. These same nations that were used by the devil to scatter the Jews will be very jealous when the Jews return to Israel. God says “I am very upset with what you have done to My people My Jewish people.” God says “I’m very upset because you have divided up My land.” So when you see the world trying to muscle Israel into dividing up the land that God gave to the Jewish people and some of you perhaps are not aware of that.

Let me read a couple of scriptures because there are so many. Turn to Genesis chapter 13 right now let’s establish what God just said there in Joel. Genesis chapter 13 verse 14 “And the Lord said to Abram after Lot had separated from him ‘Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are now. Northward, southward, eastward, and westward for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.’” Forever is a pretty long time.

Take a look at the next chapter the 15^th chapter and this is the great covenant chapter in which God says to Abraham “‘Look at the stars your descendants will be as many as them,’ and Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.” Then He says in the 7^th verse “I give you this land,” 8^th verse and he said “Lord God how shall I know that I will inherit it?” Then God says “I want you to bring some animals slice them down the middle and we’re going to establish a covenant in reference to the land.” This is an unusual covenant because rather than the 2 parties walking between the 2 animals that have been sliced in half. God doesn’t call for this He literally puts Abraham to sleep and it says in the 17^th verse “There appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between these pieces.” Who was that smoking oven? Who was that burning torch? The same pillar of fire that was moving over the children of Israel, it’s the same fire at Mount Sinai, it’s the fire of the living God. In the 18^th verse this is what the covenant was established on “On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram saying ‘To your descendants I have given this land.’” Then it lists the exact geographical areas.

Now I can go on and on but I think perhaps the best scripture that explains the covenant on the land is found in the 105^th Psalm. It’s kind of like a summary if you turn Psalm 105. Let me read this to you 7^th verse “He is the Lord our God His judgments are in all the earth. He remembers His covenant forever.” The word which He commanded for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham and His oath to Isaac, and confirmed it to Jacob for a statute. To Israel for an everlasting covenant saying “To you I will give the land of Canaan as the allotment of your inheritance.”  So how long has He had this covenant? He says “A thousand generations.” If you don’t like that the verse before says “His covenant is forever.” There is no way you can change that.

Now going back to Joel you can see that God says… makes a little more sense when I read it now after having read those scriptures to you. God says “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat (that’s Joel 3:2) and I will enter into judgment with them there (why?) on account of My people, My heritage Israel whom they have scattered among the nations they have also divided up My land.”

You know in the New Testament we find that same prophetic word from Jesus. Yeshua says in Matthew chapter 25 verse 40 “That the nations will be divided up just as a shepherd separates goat from sheep.” It’s very easy to tell the difference between a goat and a sheep, that’s how nations will be judged in the last days.

By the way, a goat nation is one that has a mind of its own like a goat, and a sheep nation follows the shepherd. There will be one single dividing issue, just as Joel says it’s on account of My heritage Israel and dividing up the land, that will be the area of judgment. Matthew says one area of judgment will be involved whether a nation is a goat nation, cursed by God, or a sheep nation blessed by God.

It says in Matthew 25:40 “As you have done unto the least of these my brethren you’ve done unto Me.” The word brethren if you look that up in the Greek it says “From the womb.” So Yeshua is saying “As you have done unto the least of these My brothers from the womb, the physical Jew, you’ve done unto Me.” So how does that all fit in? Well look at Genesis 12:3 God says “I will bless those who bless the Jewish people, and I will curse those who curse them.”

I believe that when you see the United States muscling Israel dividing up the land that God has given unconditionally forever to His ancient chosen people you’re going to see the blessings of God lift from this country. But at the same time that you see the nations trying to muscle Israel into dividing up the land you’re going to see the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in history.

It says “At that time when the land is divided there is a going to be an outpouring of God’s Spirit.” He calls it the former rain and the latter rain. Here it is in the 2^nd chapter of Joel the 23rd verse “Be glad then you children of Zion rejoice in the Lord Your God for He has given you a former rain faithfully and He will cause the rain to come down for you, the former rain AND the latter rain in the first month.” Rain is a type of the Holy Spirit and when the former rain and latter rain for the first time in history come down together in the first month this is what will happen. The 24^th verse, “The threshing floor shall be full of wheat and the vats shall overflow with new wine and with oil, and I will restore to you the years that the swarming locusts has eaten.”

Then it says in the 28^th verse of that same chapter where it’s going to start. “It shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh.” Oh God pour out Your Spirit we’re so thirsty, we’re so thirsty for that double rain the former rain and the latter rain! Then it says “Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. Your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.” Who is the you? Who is your sons and daughters? Who is your old men? Who is your young men? Who’s He talking to in the prophet Joel? The physical Jew.

So let’s put this together now, when you see the world gang up on Israel, when you see the world trying to divide up the land of Israel there will be an outpouring, a double rain if you will, the former rain and the latter rain coming down at once. There will be young Jews and old Jews supernaturally coming to the Lord.

Then in that same Prophet Joel listen to this in the 3^rd chapter “Multitudes, multitudes, multitudes, I say there are multitudes in the Valley of Decision for the day of the Lord is near in the Valley of Decision.” We’re going to see…

You know sometimes you pray “God nothing seems to be going on in my life right now.” This is the time to prepare do you remember the parable of the 10 virgins, 5 wise and 5 foolish? This is time for you to be wise you need some extra oil for what’s coming on this earth and when you have that extra oil you’ll be just the 91^st Psalm. “With long life I will satisfy you and show you My salvation. No disease is going to come near you.” What a wonderful Psalm but you need the word and you need the oil. You need the 2 rivers coming together, the 2 rains coming together, the word and the anointing coming together, and the Jew and the Gentile coming together for the last lap. God always reserves His champion for the last lap of a relay race.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Jonathan Maracle.  I’m speaking to him at the Tyendinaga Territory. Jonathan on yesterday’s broadcast I just basically touched upon this I want to understand it better. Our country, the United States of America, performed, and the only word that I have and the same word for Hitler’s Holocaust, atrocities on your people. And as I understand generational curses these curses continue until someone stronger can break these curses. Just for those that aren’t aware would you just in a minute or two tell me some of the low-lights of what happened to your people.

Jonathan: Well we can start right at the very beginning at 1492 when Christopher Columbus came and met the Arawak people. And when they came and they greeted him at the shores they were so kind and so loving to him they brought him gifts. And anything he asked for or showed he wanted he got for him, they shared anything they had. And his statement written in his journal said “These people are so kind and so caring and he said “Give me 50 good men and I’ll subjugate the whole bunch of them.” And then he went on he noticed that 2 of the people had an earring, one person had an earring and another person had a necklace of a little bit of gold in it. And so he immediately thought that they had hidden treasure. So he told them he said “You have to go and every 3 months you have to come back with X amount of gold and if your don’t have this amount of gold I’m going to cut your hands off.” And so he began to cut the hands off of these beautiful people who were willing to give anything to him. So the whole nation of Arawak people gave up their lives almost 55,000 people in fear they were dropping dead because they were so afraid of what was taking place, 100’s and 100’s of them had their hands cut off. And it went on, as it has gone on, through the trail of tears where our people our elders would drop dead by the way side and elders are the most precious of our people that their honored and we honor the experience of their lives but their lives were taken from them and the children. And you know we’ve had massacres were they’ve gone in and killed on mass all of our women and children and men were away on hunting parties or something. That’s what happened with Geronimo’s family, and that’s why Geronimo became such a staunch adversary of the United States because he came home to home and his children and his wife were all murdered in their home.  This is the kind of thing that was perpetrated and what our history books in America they use the word forced they say that the First Nations people were forced westward. But they don’t every explain what they mean by forced. Well forced meant with a heart to annihilate, with a heart to destroy and what happened to our people. The statistics that I was able to come up with when the white man first came to North America they were at least 10 million at the very least 10 million First Nation’s people in North America. And by the year 1899 there was little over 200,000 First Nation’s people left in all of America.

Sid: What is your understanding  about these curses? What affect do they have on our nation? And how can they be reversed?

Jonathan: Well Numbers chapter 14 it tells me that the sins of the fathers comes down onto the children.  And I believe that the sin is perpetual it keeps going through the generations until it is stopped as you said earlier. And I believe that blood in the land from the sins that have happened it cries out for something to change. And only 3 weeks ago when I was in Delaware in Lewis, Delaware. I was here with Dutch people who were the first settlers from Europe into that area of the country and I had Nanticoke who are the original inhabitants of that region. God…these are both people that are Christian that have given their hearts to the Lord and some of the Nanticoke weren’t, but these people came together with a heart to see things broken to see this changed. And we went to the massacre sight and we took an arrow and we had to leaders of the white church and the white leaders there and we had the leaders of the Nanticoke people grab the arrow of both ends and break it together signifying the breaking of the curse that has come down between them over the generations. And then we had the Dutch people stand in the middle and then we had the Nanticoke leader who was a Christian and other Nanticoke people and then we stood and we prayed and released the Dutch people from the issues of the past that had taken place in that spot.  And then, and then the Dutch and all of the other people prayed over the Nanticoke. Then embrace one another and then we took communion together over that spot and we claimed that that day the generational curse that the enemy had proclaimed was broken And we have seen in different place where this has taken place many massacre places where this has gone to and we’re seeing freedom, we’re seeing lives, we’re seeing people who were once adversaries as Christians turning and saying “My God what have I been doing?” You know the Bible tells us that a body needs to have all of its parts functioning and the body has been broken, it’s been separated and the First Nations People are a part of that and the ones of us who are Christians have always felt like we’ve been on the outside but now God is making away for us to be engrafted back in to that olive…to the trunk and we believe that this is part of our destiny to be a people who will be the generational curse beyond my people. We have cursed the curse shame and the loss of respect for our own lives and our own selves. And so we have been a people who have walked in this and it has been a most…everywhere you go alcohol, the highest rates of suicide in the entire earth are among the First Nations People.

Sid: And yet with the reparations that your people received and the gambling casinos and things like that on the outside looking in it looks like they’re prosperous financially, but that’s not what happening to them.

Jonathan: No, no it’s not that’s a false prosperity. In our hearts and the hearts of my people there has been a loss of identity we’ve been circumcised from who God created us to be. Because when God was up in heaven he wasn’t looking down at my people and going “Oops I made a mistake when I created He created the First Nations people.” He loves us just like He loves us just like He loves anybody else. And out people don’t know that, an so we believe that Jesus is the White Man’s God that’s what most First Nations traditional people think that Jesus is the White Man’s God. And so what God does is He gives me the anointing and the ability to go in to these places and to say “Jesus is not the White Man’s God Jesus was a tribal Man, Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was a man who understood what persecution was, He walked under the persecution of the Roman Empire.”  I said “There’s no man on earth more positioned to be the Savior of our people than Jesus Christ.” And the traditional people will turn and they’ll begin to listen because they’ve been very bitter.

Sid: But you know I see such parallels of what you’re talking about and Jewish people and between what your talking about and Afro-Americans.

Jonathan: Yeah.

Sid: I mean I see these parallels.  What are you thinking Jonathan when you play your flute and the song from your CD “Song of the Creator?” What’s going on inside you when you’re playing this?

Jonathan: It’s a prophetic scene that’s going on, it’s a prophetic thing that says “I want to see restoration to my people, I want to see alcoholism and suicide and drug abuse and physical abuse and mental abuse be taken away from my people and replaced with the love and the uncompromised love of Jesus Christ because my people are hurting and their dying.  Excerpt from “Rise Up Mighty Warrior”

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Bob Griffin I’m speaking to him in Charlotte, North Carolina where he’s ministering in a church.  Bob moves in the gifts of prophecy, he is a prophet. And on yesterdays broadcast I would have to say Bob it thrilled me when the Spirit of God spoke through you that God is turning the hearts of His Gentile Christians to Israel and the Jew.  What is this going to mean in your opinion?

Bob: Well if you’re asking what is God getting ready to do I think that He’s getting ready in fact I know He is He’s getting ready to pour out His Spirit on all flesh.  You know it was prophesied in Joel that during that time when there was destruction that was dry ground, there was no harvest the barns were broken down, the store houses were broken the seed was shriveling under the clouds everything was withered the animals were groaning.  During that time Joel asked the question he said “The day of the Lord is at hand and it should come as destruction from the Almighty.” And then he said something interesting.  He said “Is not the food cut off from before our eyes?” And so he’s looking at the natural picture of the landscape but we know that it’s a spiritual portrait so we’re saying during the time of drought, during the time of destruction, during the time when the Lord is coming and there’s terror all around he’s saying “Is not the food cut off from our eyes?”  He’s literally saying where are the dreams and the visions I’m not seeing anything every things dry and in shambles and he’s calling for people to repent; he’s calling for them to cry out to God; He’s calling for them to lament and gird themselves and he’s crying out for the Lord because the fires devouring everything because there’s terror and destruction all around. And at the very moment that he’s seeing all of that he’s saying we need some water and that’s when he begins to prophase that the outpouring of the Spirit of the Lord is to come. And so we’re in that time right now we can’t deny that we look at kingdoms against kingdom, we see that the earthquakes, famine, pestilence.  We see everything that’s happening out there right now and we’re saying “Where is God? Where is the supernatural God, where is the God of Gideon?   Where is everything?”  I believe that this is a call in the Spirit to be refreshed by refreshing God.  And as we begin to worship Him I believe He’s getting ready to pour out on us and that’s when He says “Your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions I’ll pour out My Spirit on my men servants, my maid servants, your children will prophesy.” When? “When you see all of this destruction around and all of this terror that’s when I want you to come close to Me and I’ll give you food for your eyes.” So I believe that God is saying this is the time of the outpouring He’s just designed for us to have a hunger for Him.  And maybe the time of destruction we lean towards God even more.

Sid: You said that the Lord showed you something would occur in June.

Bob: Yes

Sid: Do you have any insight as to what or how bad it will be?

Bob: Well I know that the Lord is telling me that there’s going to be a great shaking in the Middle East. So I can’t deny that that something that he’s already shown me.  I know that He’s told me that it’s going to have to do with Saddam Hussein and that we should look up during that period of time.  And so when He tells me now here we are saying “Embrace Me for the storm.” I believe that there are things that are getting ready to happen that we need to know about and the only way to know about that is to have Him foretell and the only way for that to happen is for intimacy.  You know that word intimacy is: In-To-Me-See. when you get close enough to Me then you’ll begin to see. And I believe that the outpouring of the Spirit comes out of that relationship as we water Him He waters us. So if we want to know the future and what’s about to happen we need to be in a position to be watered by the Spirit of the Lord to know what’s getting ready to happen out there. While we may not know all of the details I believe that the Lord will reserve those for specific times and specific people.  But I believe that we’re getting ready to know in this world that He really is in charge.

Sid: On your 4 audio cassette series titled “Dreams and Visions,” the anointing that God has put on you causes people that previously did not have dreams and visions to start having them as they sit under your ministry. But what does someone do when they have a dream from God and it’s in a code type of language what is the first thing that they should do?

Bob: Well I would just say get the tapes because some of it’s covered in there because the Lord does have types and shadows and mysteries.  You know it’s interesting when Jesus was talking when Yeshua’s talking in Mark chapter 4 He began talking to His disciples He said “I don’t speak except in a parable” but He said “To my disciples I reveal those things.” And so we begin to see that in Mark 4 where you press in to understand the parable He begins to give you even a greater dimension the 30, 60,100 fold.  The disciples came in to understand the parable and all of a sudden Jesus is telling them mysteries and He’s telling them revelation.  And so parables, mysteries and revelations and so if the Lord gives us a dream and we press into Him then He begins to tell us even more than what we saw before. But most people come to a point where they have a dream and they go “I don’t understand this and I don’t have time for this and so they don’t spend that time in intimacy and they end up throwing it away. It could be the very important direction for their life that they’ve been crying out for.  I believe that it develops an intimacy and I believe that the anointing will help to teach them. The word says in 1^st John 2:27 that there is anointing that inside of us that will teach us what we need to know.   And that we don’t have any need of any one to teach us but the anointing will teach us as we abide in him.  And so there’s an anointing inside but there’s an outpouring externally and when those 2 are combined together it just causes us to run to Him in relationship. When we run to Him in relationship we see things that we couldn’t see and we understand things and will perceive things.  I walk into rooms and I just know things and people that have been associated with our ministry when that anointing comes on them I’ve had people listen to tapes in cars and all of a sudden a Spirit of prophecy is hitting them because they’re listening to it under the anointing.

Sid: Alright give me an example.

Bob: Alright well we’ve got some tape series out and one person in fact we’ve had testimony after testimony, but one was driving down the road and the Spirit of prophecy hit them they literally stopped and began to prophecy to themselves and prophecy to circumstances and all of the answers that they were looking for were pouring right out of them.  He said “He who comes to me and believes that I Am he who comes to me out of their belly will flow rivers of living water.  He who believes in Me as the scriptures said.” So it’s inside of us we’re looking for the anointing to release what is already inside of us. And when you come under the anointing there’s a rod of iron that is given to those that overcome.  He said in Psalm 2 and Revelation “I will give to you a rod of iron for breaking open clay vessels.” The anointing is that rod of iron that rod of truth that breaks open the clay vessel which is our flesh so that the treasure that is inside of us can come out.  And many times we have God locked up inside of us we don’t know how to let Him out but when you get under the anointing all of a sudden things start coming out of you that you knew were there and present but you just didn’t know how to get it out.

Sid: Give me an example of how God operates with you in this gift.

Bob: Well I walk into a room and I’ll just begin to know things about people and I’ll begin to speak it out and it doesn’t matter if they’re a Christian in church or whatever I just know things. And you know the church has taught us that prophecy is for believers but I want to submit to the body that that we all have a measure of faith that’s been given to us.  I prophesy to people in airports and restaurants and taxicabs and just about anywhere. I walked into a specific room one day didn’t know this girl at all and I began to speak to her and as I began to speak to her all of a sudden I said “Do you have an aunt whose in the hospital?” And she said “Yes, as a matter of fact I do.”  And I said “Has she been involved in a fire?” And she “Yes she has.”  She was just amazed she wasn’t a believer in any way that anybody knew at all and she said “This is really strange are you a psychic?” I said “Well, I’m not a psychic but I believe that I’m being shown something.” I went to bed that night at about 10 minutes after 4 in the morning I woke up and began to intercede for a woman in the hospital who I knew was dying.” That lasted probably 25 minutes or so and when it was all over I knew that she would live and I knew that she would know the Lord.  That was on a Thursday I didn’t see that young girl at work until the following Monday.  On the following Monday I had already spoken to her and I said “Look I had an experience last night that I believe your Aunt died in the hospital and I believe that she died and I believe that she’s going to know the Lord.”  And she said “Man that is really strange, Friday we’re off Saturday I don’t see her Monday she comes running up to me she tells me I got to tell you something she said “At 10 minutes after 4:00 she said my Aunt died in the hospital it took them nearly 30 minutes to revive her she said who are you?” I said I’m the guy that was sent into her life to pray.  I believe that God wants us to reveal the supernatural on this earth and it’s not just limited to the prophets but it’s limited to those are outside of the prophetic realm.  God wants us to come to a place where we see and hear and perceive and understand. And to whosoever receives a prophet in the name of a prophet receives a profits reward.  And so anybody that comes underneath this anointing sees what the prophet sees so the anointing is there to open us up. Sid the anointing teaches us inside it says in 1^st John 2:27 that anointing is inside of us and it teaches us and as he’s saying that to let that he literally saying to let that unfold.  I walked up to a young girl one day and didn’t know why I was getting to say what I was going to say she was just somebody out in the parking lot where I worked.  And I heard the Lord say “God to her.”  But I said “Lord I don’t know what to say.”  And I heard one thing “Grandmother.” As I began walking towards her God says “Bring her home.” So I walked up to this young girl and when I got within a few feet of her the Spirit of prophecy hit me because the anointing teaches us. And I said to her “The Lord says that He is desiring for you to come back home your grandmother’s been praying for you.”  She said “Are you a prophet?”  I said “Well, I don’t know what I am but I’m praying for you.” And she said “Well if you were a prophet you would know that there’s at least 3 things that are holding me back from coming to God.” And I didn’t know what to say at that point and I suddenly turned to her and said “What if I told you what they were?” She said “Well I would die right here on the spot.” And I said “Well I’m going to pray and God’s going to reveal it.” So I went away and I began to pray.  As I began to pray I said “Lord I need some help here.”  I prayed for a young man that I worked with at work laid hands on him he gets filled with the Holy Spirit and that night he has a dream.  He dreams that this young girl is getting in a car, this young girl that I’m ministering to, she’s getting into a black limonene with her roommate and it looks like they’re with a pimp. They’re driving down the road and he sees them turn and kiss one another.  He come comes to me that next day and he says “Bob I had a dream after you prayed for me and this was the dream and I don’t have any idea what it means.” And I said “Well I do.” So he said “What does it mean?” And I said I’m going to keep on praying and I went to the Lord and I said “Lord I’m having experience here that this young girl Shanda is in a relationship a lesbian relationship with her roommate and there’s prostitution involved.  Suddenly the Lord shows me that she’s almost in an adulterous affair.  So Tuesday and Wednesday go by Friday morning I wake up and the Holy Spirit said “I want you to go to work early today.” And I said “Lord I don’t really want to go to work at all let alone go in early but I went to work early and when I got there this young girl comes running across the parking lot an hour before work she and I meet in this parking lot she didn’t know I was coming and I didn’t know that she was going to be there and she came up to me and she said “Could I get in the car?” And I said “Yes.” And she said “What are the 3 things that are holding me back?”  And I said “Well Shanda let’s pray.”  And I said “First of all you’re in a lesbian relationship with your roommate and your roommate is a prostitute and you’re in a adulterous affair and the Lord gave me the man’s first name and last name because I saw him in a vision and I knew who the man was.”  And her mouth fell open and she said “How did you know that?” And I said “Because I prayed to the Father.”

Sid: Bottom line what happened to her?”

Bob:  The bottom line is that she came back to the Lord.

Sid: My guest spoke in Pakistan his audience 99% Muslim over 100,000 received the Lord.  Unbelievable the times were living in but in scripture it says “The Jew requires a sign.” But Peter I have an idea that Muslim’s require a sign also. My guest Peter Gammons Pastor of Cathedral of Faith in Orlando, Florida.  I would imagine that Muslims require signs also.

Peter: I think that this is a very important message for the Church of Jesus Christ in America and across the world.  Because we have a form of Christianity Paul says “When I came to you I came not with word only but in demonstration of the Spirit and Power that your faith should not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” Most preachers would have to say we came not in demonstration and power but in word only. And even meant to the Christian TV and radio I see they talk about miracles but we don’t see it.

Sid: Well let me ask you a question because it’s really just you and I and just a few of our Mishpochah eaves dropping. Let’s take one of the greatest evangelists the world has ever known Billy Graham.

Peter: Hm.

Sid: And he is not known for signs and wonders but there certainly is a presence of God for souls to come into the Kingdom.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: I’m sure there’s a great deal of prayer, but as I read the New Testament the definition of an evangelist is signs and wonders follow, so what’s going on there?

Peter: Let me make a comment about that I think first of all Billy Graham is in my opinion one of the most incredible men that have ever lived I’m full of admiration for him I try to copy his lifestyle with the integrity that he has a preacher and I absolutely love the man.  But what we need to understand is that 90% in my opinion 90 percent of evangelism in America or in much of the world is reaching semi-religious people. In other words, they were raised in a Christian home, they had a Christian background they knew the basis’s of the gospel they backslid. You look at Dr. Graham’s crusades and most of the people that come there have some knowledge of Christianity or the faith and they’re coming back to Christ or their parents were saved but they never got saved but they knew that they should have got saved.  And it’s reaching semi-religious people. Now we need to understand the unreached world is one of two things either heathen, you know they’re sitting there with a beer in their hand every night they have no knowledge of Christianity and they’re totally unreached by evangelicalism as it is at the moment they need miracles to shake them into realize that there is a Jesus. And the other percent that are unsaved are the religious people of the world today. We’ve got Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims, Tribal people they will never be reached just by preaching “Come and give your life to Jesus.” The evangelists have tried for years and it never works.

Sid: Could you picture reaching large numbers of Jewish people without miracles it would be impossible.

Peter: Yeah the religious people of the world they need signs and wonders to convince them that Jesus is the one that they should be following.

Sid:  And yet I had lunch the other day with a medical doctor who is a Christian and he made the statement to me “I have never in all of my years I’ve heard a lot of talk I’ve heard people say they have miracles but I have never seen a verified miracle.”

Peter: That’s tragic isn’t it?

Sid: It really is I sent him a video right away but…

Peter: Let me just say I believe that is one of the reason’s God called us to move our ministry to the United States of America. I was shocked when I came here how much talk about miracles there are and how many we see. My own TV programs are packed with deaf and dumb and blind and people paralyzed healed and things like this. Because I’ve spent nearly 30 years out on the mission field reaching Muslims tribal people, Hindus, Buddhists with incredible miracles.

Sid: Now do you have similar results in America that you have in these other countries?

Peter: I haven’t done crusades across America at the time that we’re doing this interview. I believe that’s one of the reason’s God sent us here and I’m 100% convinced will see the same type of miracles. God gave me a sign early in the ministry. I said “I want a miracle a verifiable miracle that cannot be denied to take place something that will convince the skeptics.”  And God gave me the healing of deaf and dumb the healing of the deaf mute. And what I do in our crusades on the second night of the crusades the first night I’ll tell people bring them tomorrow night and if you’ve never seen instant miracle then come.  And then on the second night of our crusades I always line up the deaf and dumb sometimes we have 50, 60 people many of them deaf from birth. Some of them one man a little while back he worked as a mechanic and molten metal burned his whole ear out. And when I put my finger in your ear I said “You don’t need your hearing restored you need a whole new eardrum you need everything created.” And this is a whole different subject and I’ll try not to get sidetracked on that, sometimes I pray for God to turn up the volume, sometimes it needs a creative miracle.  And this man needed a creative miracle he just had a hole in the side of his head and my finger disappeared inside of his head that’s another one that I could get sidetracked on but I’ll try not to. Jesus put His fingers in their ears and commanded them to come opened. And I don’t know any other preacher that does that but I found that when I put my fingers in their ear and command their ears to be opened that their ears just popped open.

Sid: But what about people like you’re describing that’s just a hole that there is no ear, that there is no eardrum. Have you actually seen an ear recreated?

Peter: Many times! What happened as I had my finger in his ear I said “Lord would you recreate this ear you’re the creator. And I felt…it felt like worms crawling around in his head I never felt anything so disgusting in my life.  Suddenly I felt like movement taking place inside of his head until my finger was pushed out of his head and when I put it back again it was blocked God had recreated a whole ear inside of his head and he could hear.

Sid:  Now I know what affect this would have on the audience that was watching this but what affect did that miracle have on you?

Peter: I’m just used to it to be honest with you I’m more…

Sid: You remind me of Kathryn Kuhlman. Kathryn Kuhlman doctors used to go up to her and used to say “All of these people are being healed of arthritis but that’s just standard in my ministry.” And the doctors would say “But don’t you realize there’s no cure for arthritis?”

Peter: Yeah I expect it to happen and my wife will verify because she’s in our crusades 98% of the people that have been deaf and dumb in our crusades and there are other miracles as well that were healed but that particular sign are instantly healed.

Sid: Is it usually a demon that causes the blockage of hearing or could it be other things?

Peter: Sometimes it is again, again its God turning up the volume because as people get older sometimes it is not as fine tuned as it was before.  Sometimes it’s a creative miracle that’s needed, sometimes things have been damaged or broken or lost or whatever. Sometime it’s a spirit of infirmity. Many times when Jesus commanded the blind eyes to be open and deaf to hear and dumb to speak he rebuked spirits of infirmity. We need to realize that there are literally demons of infirmity, demons whose whole job in life is to cause pain.  And again I don’t want to get sidetracked on this one but it’s worth throwing this in the whole realm of the occult some people say “Well you know there have been healings and things.” What you need to understand is that the devil causes pain he can’t heal God alone is the healer.  The devil can take the pain off you if I squeezed your arm it would hurt and then if I released it I haven’t healed you but I’ve stopped putting the pressure on.

Sid: Peter on yesterday’s broadcast we have you baptized in the Holy Spirit wanting to pray in unknown tongues but not knowing exactly what to do.  You told me when we went off the air a few words came out but what happened?

Peter: Well as I said the preacher said “Have you ever spoke in tongues?” I said “I’ve never heard of it before.  And later on I read through my Bible and got a hold of 1^st Corinthians 12 and 1 Corinthians 40 and not a single verse underlined and the rest of the Bible was fully underlined. And that’s how a lot of Christians are they don’t understand the Holy Spirit. And so I went home and I tried to speak in tongues and I thought the Lord was going to come and take over and I was just going to suddenly get this whole language. But the Bible says “They spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.” The Holy Spirit gave the utterance but they had to do the speaking if you don’t move your tongue and open your lips you’re not going to speak in tongues. And so I went along to a service and there was this other preacher and I said “Would you pray for me to receive the gift of tongues?” And he said “Have you ever spoken in tongues?” And I said I said “Well I don’t know.” And he said “Say whatever you said and he said “That’s a beautiful language.” And I said, “Is it?” And I had no problem after that but people say “Well what if I make a mistake?” Well how are you going to know if you make a mistake you know they haven’t printed a dictionary of tongues the only way you’re going to know is by trusting God. And God gave me this key that has helped 1000’s of people to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and that is this “Instead of trusting your ability to make mistakes trust God’s ability to make sure that you don’t make a mistake.”  Because He’s the only one that’s going to understand it anyway that’s why the devil hates tongues, that’s why he opposes them in the Evangelical church because he can’t understand it he can’t intervene. Sometimes when people in tongues it’s a private communication with God and the devil hates that and that’s why he oppose it.  When I pray in English my prayers are tainted by my own views and sometimes they’re my fleshing desire. When I pray in tongues it’s the Holy Spirit praying through me so it’s perfect prayer so that’s the thing.  Some people say “Well do I have to pray in tongues?” When someone says to me “Do I have to speak in tongues?” I know they don’t understand it because if they did understand it they’d say “Please can I speak in tongues?”

Sid:  Peter now you’re baptized in the Holy Spirit but you had another power encounter when an elderly man that had been under the ministry of perhaps a woman that had the greatest healing ministry in modern times Katherine Kuhlman came up to you and what happened?

Peter: Yeah what happened was I went along to this service I was just a very young man and I was in jeans and a tee-shirt I didn’t look like preacher potential.  And when I arrived at the service this woman said to me “Peter.”  I said “Do I know you?” She said “No you don’t know me God sent me here I live a long way away I got a taxi to bring me here because I don’t have a car and she said “He sent me here to give you a message and the message is this you’ll take My healing message out to the world.”  And I said “Do I know you?” And she said No the Lord said he would show me who Peter was and now I’ve seen you and I know your Peter.” And I said “Yes I am.” And she said “You’ll take my healing message, My healing power to the world.” And she got into a taxi and she drove off and I thought “Strange woman.” I went into the service and they were singing “To God be the glory great things He has done.” I sat down in the middle of the crowd and the preacher walked and without saying or doing anything and halfway through this hymn he suddenly said “You boy come here.”  And I was terrified I thought I must have done something wrong and God was going to tell everybody. And so I went forward as he laid hands on me he said “You will take my healing message and my healing power to the world and prophesied the same words that this woman had said as I entered the building.  I fell under the power of the Spirit 5 times and kept trying to get up and gone down again. And what I didn’t know was he’d received the anointing from his friend Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died and he believed that he was going to be with the Lord and the Lord had told him that night to pass that anointing on.

Sid: Hmm. Peter we’re out of time.