Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Jonathan Maracle.  I’m speaking to him at the Tyendinaga Territory. Jonathan on yesterday’s broadcast I just basically touched upon this I want to understand it better. Our country, the United States of America, performed, and the only word that I have and the same word for Hitler’s Holocaust, atrocities on your people. And as I understand generational curses these curses continue until someone stronger can break these curses. Just for those that aren’t aware would you just in a minute or two tell me some of the low-lights of what happened to your people.

Jonathan: Well we can start right at the very beginning at 1492 when Christopher Columbus came and met the Arawak people. And when they came and they greeted him at the shores they were so kind and so loving to him they brought him gifts. And anything he asked for or showed he wanted he got for him, they shared anything they had. And his statement written in his journal said “These people are so kind and so caring and he said “Give me 50 good men and I’ll subjugate the whole bunch of them.” And then he went on he noticed that 2 of the people had an earring, one person had an earring and another person had a necklace of a little bit of gold in it. And so he immediately thought that they had hidden treasure. So he told them he said “You have to go and every 3 months you have to come back with X amount of gold and if your don’t have this amount of gold I’m going to cut your hands off.” And so he began to cut the hands off of these beautiful people who were willing to give anything to him. So the whole nation of Arawak people gave up their lives almost 55,000 people in fear they were dropping dead because they were so afraid of what was taking place, 100’s and 100’s of them had their hands cut off. And it went on, as it has gone on, through the trail of tears where our people our elders would drop dead by the way side and elders are the most precious of our people that their honored and we honor the experience of their lives but their lives were taken from them and the children. And you know we’ve had massacres were they’ve gone in and killed on mass all of our women and children and men were away on hunting parties or something. That’s what happened with Geronimo’s family, and that’s why Geronimo became such a staunch adversary of the United States because he came home to home and his children and his wife were all murdered in their home.  This is the kind of thing that was perpetrated and what our history books in America they use the word forced they say that the First Nations people were forced westward. But they don’t every explain what they mean by forced. Well forced meant with a heart to annihilate, with a heart to destroy and what happened to our people. The statistics that I was able to come up with when the white man first came to North America they were at least 10 million at the very least 10 million First Nation’s people in North America. And by the year 1899 there was little over 200,000 First Nation’s people left in all of America.

Sid: What is your understanding  about these curses? What affect do they have on our nation? And how can they be reversed?

Jonathan: Well Numbers chapter 14 it tells me that the sins of the fathers comes down onto the children.  And I believe that the sin is perpetual it keeps going through the generations until it is stopped as you said earlier. And I believe that blood in the land from the sins that have happened it cries out for something to change. And only 3 weeks ago when I was in Delaware in Lewis, Delaware. I was here with Dutch people who were the first settlers from Europe into that area of the country and I had Nanticoke who are the original inhabitants of that region. God…these are both people that are Christian that have given their hearts to the Lord and some of the Nanticoke weren’t, but these people came together with a heart to see things broken to see this changed. And we went to the massacre sight and we took an arrow and we had to leaders of the white church and the white leaders there and we had the leaders of the Nanticoke people grab the arrow of both ends and break it together signifying the breaking of the curse that has come down between them over the generations. And then we had the Dutch people stand in the middle and then we had the Nanticoke leader who was a Christian and other Nanticoke people and then we stood and we prayed and released the Dutch people from the issues of the past that had taken place in that spot.  And then, and then the Dutch and all of the other people prayed over the Nanticoke. Then embrace one another and then we took communion together over that spot and we claimed that that day the generational curse that the enemy had proclaimed was broken And we have seen in different place where this has taken place many massacre places where this has gone to and we’re seeing freedom, we’re seeing lives, we’re seeing people who were once adversaries as Christians turning and saying “My God what have I been doing?” You know the Bible tells us that a body needs to have all of its parts functioning and the body has been broken, it’s been separated and the First Nations People are a part of that and the ones of us who are Christians have always felt like we’ve been on the outside but now God is making away for us to be engrafted back in to that olive…to the trunk and we believe that this is part of our destiny to be a people who will be the generational curse beyond my people. We have cursed the curse shame and the loss of respect for our own lives and our own selves. And so we have been a people who have walked in this and it has been a most…everywhere you go alcohol, the highest rates of suicide in the entire earth are among the First Nations People.

Sid: And yet with the reparations that your people received and the gambling casinos and things like that on the outside looking in it looks like they’re prosperous financially, but that’s not what happening to them.

Jonathan: No, no it’s not that’s a false prosperity. In our hearts and the hearts of my people there has been a loss of identity we’ve been circumcised from who God created us to be. Because when God was up in heaven he wasn’t looking down at my people and going “Oops I made a mistake when I created He created the First Nations people.” He loves us just like He loves us just like He loves anybody else. And out people don’t know that, an so we believe that Jesus is the White Man’s God that’s what most First Nations traditional people think that Jesus is the White Man’s God. And so what God does is He gives me the anointing and the ability to go in to these places and to say “Jesus is not the White Man’s God Jesus was a tribal Man, Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was a man who understood what persecution was, He walked under the persecution of the Roman Empire.”  I said “There’s no man on earth more positioned to be the Savior of our people than Jesus Christ.” And the traditional people will turn and they’ll begin to listen because they’ve been very bitter.

Sid: But you know I see such parallels of what you’re talking about and Jewish people and between what your talking about and Afro-Americans.

Jonathan: Yeah.

Sid: I mean I see these parallels.  What are you thinking Jonathan when you play your flute and the song from your CD “Song of the Creator?” What’s going on inside you when you’re playing this?

Jonathan: It’s a prophetic scene that’s going on, it’s a prophetic thing that says “I want to see restoration to my people, I want to see alcoholism and suicide and drug abuse and physical abuse and mental abuse be taken away from my people and replaced with the love and the uncompromised love of Jesus Christ because my people are hurting and their dying.  Excerpt from “Rise Up Mighty Warrior”

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Bob Griffin I’m speaking to him in Charlotte, North Carolina where he’s ministering in a church.  Bob moves in the gifts of prophecy, he is a prophet. And on yesterdays broadcast I would have to say Bob it thrilled me when the Spirit of God spoke through you that God is turning the hearts of His Gentile Christians to Israel and the Jew.  What is this going to mean in your opinion?

Bob: Well if you’re asking what is God getting ready to do I think that He’s getting ready in fact I know He is He’s getting ready to pour out His Spirit on all flesh.  You know it was prophesied in Joel that during that time when there was destruction that was dry ground, there was no harvest the barns were broken down, the store houses were broken the seed was shriveling under the clouds everything was withered the animals were groaning.  During that time Joel asked the question he said “The day of the Lord is at hand and it should come as destruction from the Almighty.” And then he said something interesting.  He said “Is not the food cut off from before our eyes?” And so he’s looking at the natural picture of the landscape but we know that it’s a spiritual portrait so we’re saying during the time of drought, during the time of destruction, during the time when the Lord is coming and there’s terror all around he’s saying “Is not the food cut off from our eyes?”  He’s literally saying where are the dreams and the visions I’m not seeing anything every things dry and in shambles and he’s calling for people to repent; he’s calling for them to cry out to God; He’s calling for them to lament and gird themselves and he’s crying out for the Lord because the fires devouring everything because there’s terror and destruction all around. And at the very moment that he’s seeing all of that he’s saying we need some water and that’s when he begins to prophase that the outpouring of the Spirit of the Lord is to come. And so we’re in that time right now we can’t deny that we look at kingdoms against kingdom, we see that the earthquakes, famine, pestilence.  We see everything that’s happening out there right now and we’re saying “Where is God? Where is the supernatural God, where is the God of Gideon?   Where is everything?”  I believe that this is a call in the Spirit to be refreshed by refreshing God.  And as we begin to worship Him I believe He’s getting ready to pour out on us and that’s when He says “Your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions I’ll pour out My Spirit on my men servants, my maid servants, your children will prophesy.” When? “When you see all of this destruction around and all of this terror that’s when I want you to come close to Me and I’ll give you food for your eyes.” So I believe that God is saying this is the time of the outpouring He’s just designed for us to have a hunger for Him.  And maybe the time of destruction we lean towards God even more.

Sid: You said that the Lord showed you something would occur in June.

Bob: Yes

Sid: Do you have any insight as to what or how bad it will be?

Bob: Well I know that the Lord is telling me that there’s going to be a great shaking in the Middle East. So I can’t deny that that something that he’s already shown me.  I know that He’s told me that it’s going to have to do with Saddam Hussein and that we should look up during that period of time.  And so when He tells me now here we are saying “Embrace Me for the storm.” I believe that there are things that are getting ready to happen that we need to know about and the only way to know about that is to have Him foretell and the only way for that to happen is for intimacy.  You know that word intimacy is: In-To-Me-See. when you get close enough to Me then you’ll begin to see. And I believe that the outpouring of the Spirit comes out of that relationship as we water Him He waters us. So if we want to know the future and what’s about to happen we need to be in a position to be watered by the Spirit of the Lord to know what’s getting ready to happen out there. While we may not know all of the details I believe that the Lord will reserve those for specific times and specific people.  But I believe that we’re getting ready to know in this world that He really is in charge.

Sid: On your 4 audio cassette series titled “Dreams and Visions,” the anointing that God has put on you causes people that previously did not have dreams and visions to start having them as they sit under your ministry. But what does someone do when they have a dream from God and it’s in a code type of language what is the first thing that they should do?

Bob: Well I would just say get the tapes because some of it’s covered in there because the Lord does have types and shadows and mysteries.  You know it’s interesting when Jesus was talking when Yeshua’s talking in Mark chapter 4 He began talking to His disciples He said “I don’t speak except in a parable” but He said “To my disciples I reveal those things.” And so we begin to see that in Mark 4 where you press in to understand the parable He begins to give you even a greater dimension the 30, 60,100 fold.  The disciples came in to understand the parable and all of a sudden Jesus is telling them mysteries and He’s telling them revelation.  And so parables, mysteries and revelations and so if the Lord gives us a dream and we press into Him then He begins to tell us even more than what we saw before. But most people come to a point where they have a dream and they go “I don’t understand this and I don’t have time for this and so they don’t spend that time in intimacy and they end up throwing it away. It could be the very important direction for their life that they’ve been crying out for.  I believe that it develops an intimacy and I believe that the anointing will help to teach them. The word says in 1^st John 2:27 that there is anointing that inside of us that will teach us what we need to know.   And that we don’t have any need of any one to teach us but the anointing will teach us as we abide in him.  And so there’s an anointing inside but there’s an outpouring externally and when those 2 are combined together it just causes us to run to Him in relationship. When we run to Him in relationship we see things that we couldn’t see and we understand things and will perceive things.  I walk into rooms and I just know things and people that have been associated with our ministry when that anointing comes on them I’ve had people listen to tapes in cars and all of a sudden a Spirit of prophecy is hitting them because they’re listening to it under the anointing.

Sid: Alright give me an example.

Bob: Alright well we’ve got some tape series out and one person in fact we’ve had testimony after testimony, but one was driving down the road and the Spirit of prophecy hit them they literally stopped and began to prophecy to themselves and prophecy to circumstances and all of the answers that they were looking for were pouring right out of them.  He said “He who comes to me and believes that I Am he who comes to me out of their belly will flow rivers of living water.  He who believes in Me as the scriptures said.” So it’s inside of us we’re looking for the anointing to release what is already inside of us. And when you come under the anointing there’s a rod of iron that is given to those that overcome.  He said in Psalm 2 and Revelation “I will give to you a rod of iron for breaking open clay vessels.” The anointing is that rod of iron that rod of truth that breaks open the clay vessel which is our flesh so that the treasure that is inside of us can come out.  And many times we have God locked up inside of us we don’t know how to let Him out but when you get under the anointing all of a sudden things start coming out of you that you knew were there and present but you just didn’t know how to get it out.

Sid: Give me an example of how God operates with you in this gift.

Bob: Well I walk into a room and I’ll just begin to know things about people and I’ll begin to speak it out and it doesn’t matter if they’re a Christian in church or whatever I just know things. And you know the church has taught us that prophecy is for believers but I want to submit to the body that that we all have a measure of faith that’s been given to us.  I prophesy to people in airports and restaurants and taxicabs and just about anywhere. I walked into a specific room one day didn’t know this girl at all and I began to speak to her and as I began to speak to her all of a sudden I said “Do you have an aunt whose in the hospital?” And she said “Yes, as a matter of fact I do.”  And I said “Has she been involved in a fire?” And she “Yes she has.”  She was just amazed she wasn’t a believer in any way that anybody knew at all and she said “This is really strange are you a psychic?” I said “Well, I’m not a psychic but I believe that I’m being shown something.” I went to bed that night at about 10 minutes after 4 in the morning I woke up and began to intercede for a woman in the hospital who I knew was dying.” That lasted probably 25 minutes or so and when it was all over I knew that she would live and I knew that she would know the Lord.  That was on a Thursday I didn’t see that young girl at work until the following Monday.  On the following Monday I had already spoken to her and I said “Look I had an experience last night that I believe your Aunt died in the hospital and I believe that she died and I believe that she’s going to know the Lord.”  And she said “Man that is really strange, Friday we’re off Saturday I don’t see her Monday she comes running up to me she tells me I got to tell you something she said “At 10 minutes after 4:00 she said my Aunt died in the hospital it took them nearly 30 minutes to revive her she said who are you?” I said I’m the guy that was sent into her life to pray.  I believe that God wants us to reveal the supernatural on this earth and it’s not just limited to the prophets but it’s limited to those are outside of the prophetic realm.  God wants us to come to a place where we see and hear and perceive and understand. And to whosoever receives a prophet in the name of a prophet receives a profits reward.  And so anybody that comes underneath this anointing sees what the prophet sees so the anointing is there to open us up. Sid the anointing teaches us inside it says in 1^st John 2:27 that anointing is inside of us and it teaches us and as he’s saying that to let that he literally saying to let that unfold.  I walked up to a young girl one day and didn’t know why I was getting to say what I was going to say she was just somebody out in the parking lot where I worked.  And I heard the Lord say “God to her.”  But I said “Lord I don’t know what to say.”  And I heard one thing “Grandmother.” As I began walking towards her God says “Bring her home.” So I walked up to this young girl and when I got within a few feet of her the Spirit of prophecy hit me because the anointing teaches us. And I said to her “The Lord says that He is desiring for you to come back home your grandmother’s been praying for you.”  She said “Are you a prophet?”  I said “Well, I don’t know what I am but I’m praying for you.” And she said “Well if you were a prophet you would know that there’s at least 3 things that are holding me back from coming to God.” And I didn’t know what to say at that point and I suddenly turned to her and said “What if I told you what they were?” She said “Well I would die right here on the spot.” And I said “Well I’m going to pray and God’s going to reveal it.” So I went away and I began to pray.  As I began to pray I said “Lord I need some help here.”  I prayed for a young man that I worked with at work laid hands on him he gets filled with the Holy Spirit and that night he has a dream.  He dreams that this young girl is getting in a car, this young girl that I’m ministering to, she’s getting into a black limonene with her roommate and it looks like they’re with a pimp. They’re driving down the road and he sees them turn and kiss one another.  He come comes to me that next day and he says “Bob I had a dream after you prayed for me and this was the dream and I don’t have any idea what it means.” And I said “Well I do.” So he said “What does it mean?” And I said I’m going to keep on praying and I went to the Lord and I said “Lord I’m having experience here that this young girl Shanda is in a relationship a lesbian relationship with her roommate and there’s prostitution involved.  Suddenly the Lord shows me that she’s almost in an adulterous affair.  So Tuesday and Wednesday go by Friday morning I wake up and the Holy Spirit said “I want you to go to work early today.” And I said “Lord I don’t really want to go to work at all let alone go in early but I went to work early and when I got there this young girl comes running across the parking lot an hour before work she and I meet in this parking lot she didn’t know I was coming and I didn’t know that she was going to be there and she came up to me and she said “Could I get in the car?” And I said “Yes.” And she said “What are the 3 things that are holding me back?”  And I said “Well Shanda let’s pray.”  And I said “First of all you’re in a lesbian relationship with your roommate and your roommate is a prostitute and you’re in a adulterous affair and the Lord gave me the man’s first name and last name because I saw him in a vision and I knew who the man was.”  And her mouth fell open and she said “How did you know that?” And I said “Because I prayed to the Father.”

Sid: Bottom line what happened to her?”

Bob:  The bottom line is that she came back to the Lord.

Sid: My guest spoke in Pakistan his audience 99% Muslim over 100,000 received the Lord.  Unbelievable the times were living in but in scripture it says “The Jew requires a sign.” But Peter I have an idea that Muslim’s require a sign also. My guest Peter Gammons Pastor of Cathedral of Faith in Orlando, Florida.  I would imagine that Muslims require signs also.

Peter: I think that this is a very important message for the Church of Jesus Christ in America and across the world.  Because we have a form of Christianity Paul says “When I came to you I came not with word only but in demonstration of the Spirit and Power that your faith should not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” Most preachers would have to say we came not in demonstration and power but in word only. And even meant to the Christian TV and radio I see they talk about miracles but we don’t see it.

Sid: Well let me ask you a question because it’s really just you and I and just a few of our Mishpochah eaves dropping. Let’s take one of the greatest evangelists the world has ever known Billy Graham.

Peter: Hm.

Sid: And he is not known for signs and wonders but there certainly is a presence of God for souls to come into the Kingdom.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: I’m sure there’s a great deal of prayer, but as I read the New Testament the definition of an evangelist is signs and wonders follow, so what’s going on there?

Peter: Let me make a comment about that I think first of all Billy Graham is in my opinion one of the most incredible men that have ever lived I’m full of admiration for him I try to copy his lifestyle with the integrity that he has a preacher and I absolutely love the man.  But what we need to understand is that 90% in my opinion 90 percent of evangelism in America or in much of the world is reaching semi-religious people. In other words, they were raised in a Christian home, they had a Christian background they knew the basis’s of the gospel they backslid. You look at Dr. Graham’s crusades and most of the people that come there have some knowledge of Christianity or the faith and they’re coming back to Christ or their parents were saved but they never got saved but they knew that they should have got saved.  And it’s reaching semi-religious people. Now we need to understand the unreached world is one of two things either heathen, you know they’re sitting there with a beer in their hand every night they have no knowledge of Christianity and they’re totally unreached by evangelicalism as it is at the moment they need miracles to shake them into realize that there is a Jesus. And the other percent that are unsaved are the religious people of the world today. We’ve got Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims, Tribal people they will never be reached just by preaching “Come and give your life to Jesus.” The evangelists have tried for years and it never works.

Sid: Could you picture reaching large numbers of Jewish people without miracles it would be impossible.

Peter: Yeah the religious people of the world they need signs and wonders to convince them that Jesus is the one that they should be following.

Sid:  And yet I had lunch the other day with a medical doctor who is a Christian and he made the statement to me “I have never in all of my years I’ve heard a lot of talk I’ve heard people say they have miracles but I have never seen a verified miracle.”

Peter: That’s tragic isn’t it?

Sid: It really is I sent him a video right away but…

Peter: Let me just say I believe that is one of the reason’s God called us to move our ministry to the United States of America. I was shocked when I came here how much talk about miracles there are and how many we see. My own TV programs are packed with deaf and dumb and blind and people paralyzed healed and things like this. Because I’ve spent nearly 30 years out on the mission field reaching Muslims tribal people, Hindus, Buddhists with incredible miracles.

Sid: Now do you have similar results in America that you have in these other countries?

Peter: I haven’t done crusades across America at the time that we’re doing this interview. I believe that’s one of the reason’s God sent us here and I’m 100% convinced will see the same type of miracles. God gave me a sign early in the ministry. I said “I want a miracle a verifiable miracle that cannot be denied to take place something that will convince the skeptics.”  And God gave me the healing of deaf and dumb the healing of the deaf mute. And what I do in our crusades on the second night of the crusades the first night I’ll tell people bring them tomorrow night and if you’ve never seen instant miracle then come.  And then on the second night of our crusades I always line up the deaf and dumb sometimes we have 50, 60 people many of them deaf from birth. Some of them one man a little while back he worked as a mechanic and molten metal burned his whole ear out. And when I put my finger in your ear I said “You don’t need your hearing restored you need a whole new eardrum you need everything created.” And this is a whole different subject and I’ll try not to get sidetracked on that, sometimes I pray for God to turn up the volume, sometimes it needs a creative miracle.  And this man needed a creative miracle he just had a hole in the side of his head and my finger disappeared inside of his head that’s another one that I could get sidetracked on but I’ll try not to. Jesus put His fingers in their ears and commanded them to come opened. And I don’t know any other preacher that does that but I found that when I put my fingers in their ear and command their ears to be opened that their ears just popped open.

Sid: But what about people like you’re describing that’s just a hole that there is no ear, that there is no eardrum. Have you actually seen an ear recreated?

Peter: Many times! What happened as I had my finger in his ear I said “Lord would you recreate this ear you’re the creator. And I felt…it felt like worms crawling around in his head I never felt anything so disgusting in my life.  Suddenly I felt like movement taking place inside of his head until my finger was pushed out of his head and when I put it back again it was blocked God had recreated a whole ear inside of his head and he could hear.

Sid:  Now I know what affect this would have on the audience that was watching this but what affect did that miracle have on you?

Peter: I’m just used to it to be honest with you I’m more…

Sid: You remind me of Kathryn Kuhlman. Kathryn Kuhlman doctors used to go up to her and used to say “All of these people are being healed of arthritis but that’s just standard in my ministry.” And the doctors would say “But don’t you realize there’s no cure for arthritis?”

Peter: Yeah I expect it to happen and my wife will verify because she’s in our crusades 98% of the people that have been deaf and dumb in our crusades and there are other miracles as well that were healed but that particular sign are instantly healed.

Sid: Is it usually a demon that causes the blockage of hearing or could it be other things?

Peter: Sometimes it is again, again its God turning up the volume because as people get older sometimes it is not as fine tuned as it was before.  Sometimes it’s a creative miracle that’s needed, sometimes things have been damaged or broken or lost or whatever. Sometime it’s a spirit of infirmity. Many times when Jesus commanded the blind eyes to be open and deaf to hear and dumb to speak he rebuked spirits of infirmity. We need to realize that there are literally demons of infirmity, demons whose whole job in life is to cause pain.  And again I don’t want to get sidetracked on this one but it’s worth throwing this in the whole realm of the occult some people say “Well you know there have been healings and things.” What you need to understand is that the devil causes pain he can’t heal God alone is the healer.  The devil can take the pain off you if I squeezed your arm it would hurt and then if I released it I haven’t healed you but I’ve stopped putting the pressure on.

Sid: Peter on yesterday’s broadcast we have you baptized in the Holy Spirit wanting to pray in unknown tongues but not knowing exactly what to do.  You told me when we went off the air a few words came out but what happened?

Peter: Well as I said the preacher said “Have you ever spoke in tongues?” I said “I’ve never heard of it before.  And later on I read through my Bible and got a hold of 1^st Corinthians 12 and 1 Corinthians 40 and not a single verse underlined and the rest of the Bible was fully underlined. And that’s how a lot of Christians are they don’t understand the Holy Spirit. And so I went home and I tried to speak in tongues and I thought the Lord was going to come and take over and I was just going to suddenly get this whole language. But the Bible says “They spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.” The Holy Spirit gave the utterance but they had to do the speaking if you don’t move your tongue and open your lips you’re not going to speak in tongues. And so I went along to a service and there was this other preacher and I said “Would you pray for me to receive the gift of tongues?” And he said “Have you ever spoken in tongues?” And I said I said “Well I don’t know.” And he said “Say whatever you said and he said “That’s a beautiful language.” And I said, “Is it?” And I had no problem after that but people say “Well what if I make a mistake?” Well how are you going to know if you make a mistake you know they haven’t printed a dictionary of tongues the only way you’re going to know is by trusting God. And God gave me this key that has helped 1000’s of people to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and that is this “Instead of trusting your ability to make mistakes trust God’s ability to make sure that you don’t make a mistake.”  Because He’s the only one that’s going to understand it anyway that’s why the devil hates tongues, that’s why he opposes them in the Evangelical church because he can’t understand it he can’t intervene. Sometimes when people in tongues it’s a private communication with God and the devil hates that and that’s why he oppose it.  When I pray in English my prayers are tainted by my own views and sometimes they’re my fleshing desire. When I pray in tongues it’s the Holy Spirit praying through me so it’s perfect prayer so that’s the thing.  Some people say “Well do I have to pray in tongues?” When someone says to me “Do I have to speak in tongues?” I know they don’t understand it because if they did understand it they’d say “Please can I speak in tongues?”

Sid:  Peter now you’re baptized in the Holy Spirit but you had another power encounter when an elderly man that had been under the ministry of perhaps a woman that had the greatest healing ministry in modern times Katherine Kuhlman came up to you and what happened?

Peter: Yeah what happened was I went along to this service I was just a very young man and I was in jeans and a tee-shirt I didn’t look like preacher potential.  And when I arrived at the service this woman said to me “Peter.”  I said “Do I know you?” She said “No you don’t know me God sent me here I live a long way away I got a taxi to bring me here because I don’t have a car and she said “He sent me here to give you a message and the message is this you’ll take My healing message out to the world.”  And I said “Do I know you?” And she said No the Lord said he would show me who Peter was and now I’ve seen you and I know your Peter.” And I said “Yes I am.” And she said “You’ll take my healing message, My healing power to the world.” And she got into a taxi and she drove off and I thought “Strange woman.” I went into the service and they were singing “To God be the glory great things He has done.” I sat down in the middle of the crowd and the preacher walked and without saying or doing anything and halfway through this hymn he suddenly said “You boy come here.”  And I was terrified I thought I must have done something wrong and God was going to tell everybody. And so I went forward as he laid hands on me he said “You will take my healing message and my healing power to the world and prophesied the same words that this woman had said as I entered the building.  I fell under the power of the Spirit 5 times and kept trying to get up and gone down again. And what I didn’t know was he’d received the anointing from his friend Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died and he believed that he was going to be with the Lord and the Lord had told him that night to pass that anointing on.

Sid: Hmm. Peter we’re out of time.

Sid: My guest John McTernan I’m talking to him about his brand new book “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.” This book has keys to what God is doing at this strategic time in history. John traces not only the historical order of what’s going on to get us into what’s called the Palestinian Israeli situation. Historically you’ll understand it for the first time, biblically you’ll understand it for the very first time, but the spiritual laws that are triggered very few people understand this. For instance, we found out this week that the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States and 100’s of other horrible natural disasters were within 24 hours of the United States making some sort of anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic statement.  I mean you can’t call it coincidence it’s time after time, after time, after time all documented in this book. Let’s talk about the second worst natural disaster in the United States John.

John: Well Sid you’re right the first natural disaster was Hurricane Andrew and that was August of 1992 and I believe I had mentioned it was 30 to 40 billion dollars in destruction like 150,000 homes had been destroyed as a result of that. Now we come to the second greatest disaster and Sid what I have here I’m showing you I’m showing you is a New York Times headlines Monday January 17, 1994 and here we have a picture of Present Bush with President Assad of Syria. President Assad of Syria hated Israel with a passion.  His life seemed to be wanted to go to war with Israel. Now the President met with him in Geneva and the headlines says big bold headlines in New York Times “Assad holds out prospect of normal ties with Israel after talks with Clinton.” Now I happen to be watching the late news that night it was a Sunday night and a little sound bite came on and the President was behind the podium and I had no idea that they were meeting in Geneva so it was kind of a surprise to me. And with a very stern dogmatic voice he said “The Israelis are not going to like this.” No he said “Many Israelis aren’t going to like this but they’re going to have to give up the Golan Heights for peace.”

Sid: And of course the Golan Heights are so strategic to Israel we would be defenseless if we gave up the Golan Heights.

John: Sid I can remember as a youngster we’re talking about in the 50’s I can remember watching the news and periodically you would see news about Israel where the Jews had to go into shelters in Northern Israel because the Syrians had the Golan Heights and they had artillery up there. And to be a Jewish man on tractor farming and they’d be shooting artery trying to kill him or they’d shoot into homes and all of that and that would be on the news.  See the Golan…they would use it was almost like sport it was terrorism but they would fire…the Golan Heights is way high and as you go from the Golan Heights to Sea of Galilee you go to below sea level.  And so when you are in the Golan Heights you can literally see for miles and miles and miles into Israel miles into Israel. And they used to use the Golan Heights to terrorize the Israelis. So the Israelis gained that land well it was their land by covenant the covenant that God has with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the Golan Heights is a part of it. So after the Six Day War Israel gained that land and they annexed it the Golan Heights is part of Israel. Syria wants the land back. So Assad meets with Clinton, Clinton agrees with the Syrian President that the Israelis are going to have give up land for peace.  Now Sid here is within hours the headline is Los Angeles Times “The Northridge earthquake many die, hurt in 6.6 quake, area freeways buckle, buildings topple.” I went to bed that night and I felt like a heaviness on me when I heard the President say that it was like not only what he said it was the tone this very forceful tone.  It didn’t sit well with me; I went to bed I got up I turned the news on and this is hours later we have the second greatest natural disaster to hit the United States. But this is earthquake is not like any other earthquake Sid, and I’m showing you the headlines
the earthquake was two in one.

Sid: What do you mean?

John: Well normal earthquakes either the land thrusts upwards or it shakes back and forth this one here both occurred at the same time which mystified the scientists.  They can’t explain why it’s literally, they literally say 2 earthquakes occur at the the same time. Two separate distinct earthquakes occurred because there is not other way to explain how the land thrust up and then shook back and forth. That’s why there was so much damage done.

Sid: Isn’t that interesting there’s no way to explain that and then you go with the first natural disaster there’s no way to explain the perfect storm they’re both supernatural!

John: Exactly, exactly the Perfect Storm Sid the weather pattern went 1000 miles the wrong way with a freakish storm known as the Perfect Storm to destroy the President’s home while he was initiating this peace process. Now Sid going back to this earthquake in Los Angeles actually the epic center was Northridge a suburb of Los Angeles. When the experts analyzed it they couldn’t find the fault! Not only was there 2 earthquakes but they couldn’t find the fault it just happened. Isn’t that amazing?

Sid: I think that it’s absolutely phenomenal; I don’t understand why every talk show in America isn’t talking about this. Not only do you trace all of this in your book all of these events that occur every time that the United States is anti- Semitic, and in a previous book you even trace when there is any blatant sin. When the United States does something with or in the United States there’s something big with homosexuality or abortion or pornography.

John: Well yes Sid and the amazing thing is the…I know nothing about Los Angeles, but Northridge it turns out is the pornography capital of the United States. Eighty to 90% of all the video pornography in the United States is made within a 5 mile radius of North-ridge. And here I have an article documenting this. And even one of the pornographers he’s quoted as saying “These religious fanatics think that it’s the Lord’s way to telling us “Hey straighten out your act.” Literally the pornography industry was leveled in that Northridge earthquake. So the Lord in this economy did 2 things we were bullying Israel over the land and our land was touched within hours Sid, literally within hours within 24 hours our land was touched with the 2^nd greatest disaster and the Lord said “While I’m at it I might as well touch the pornography industry.”

Sid: Okay September 11^th I have never heard anyone beyond but you talk about what triggered September 11^th. Something somehow removed the protective shield on America.

John: And I’m going to show you the documentation so you can relate it to your…to the listeners Sid.  Without saying September 11^th is the greatest disaster as far as moneywise that hit the United States.  The calculations is in the l00’s of billions.

Sid: Just lives!

John: In lives about 3000 lives now it was greater than Pearl Harbor about the same size as Pearl Harbor. Tremendous Sid it’s effected the economy, it’s effected the whole psyche of the nation without a doubt. Now Sid what I document in the book I’m going to show you the documentation for it right now. Is we had formed and it’s a little complicated so I’m going to start at the end of it though. We had formed through the President of the United States a policy early in September about the 1^st week of September that we were going to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as the Capitol. And we were going to put our embassy of this state in East Jerusalem. Now no President had ever done that before. President Clinton had put pressure on Israel at the Camp David meetings remember that in July of 2000.  He had put pressure on Israel which became visible where Israel was to give up East Jerusalem and they were to have joint control over the Temple Mount and they were to dismantle many of the settlements and all of that. So it became obvious at the Camp David that the President of United States behind the scenes had Israel’s arm and was twisting it. And now through President Bush, former President Bush I want you to see this Sid this is dated October 2, 2001 from the Washington Post and this is headlines “The US is set to support Palestinian state.” And what it and I’m going to synopsize this Sid what it was on September 13^th the Secretary of State Colin Powell and I’ll give you his name was going to meet with the Saudi Arabian Ambassador Prince Bandar Bin Sultan.  And he was going to inform him that the official United States policy which we were going to announce at the United Nations general assembly on September 23^rd was that we were going to recognize a Palestinian state. We were going to put out capital…we were going to recognize East Jerusalem as the capital and we were going to put an ambassador in there our ambassador in there. That literally was stopped with 9/11 literally stopped. The policy of the United States was stopped in its tracks the United Nations was cancelled until November. And we at that point retracted or didn’t go forward with the Palestinian State that we were going to unilaterally recognize the Palestinian State.  So within days of our official policy being in cement that we were going to recognize a Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as the Capitol. The same terrorist that were attacking Israel attacked us. The very same, you know Ben Laden, Arafat all of the very same element of terrorist that Israel was being attacked by was attacking the United States now at virtually the exact moment within days of us forming our policy saying that we were going to recognize a Palestinian State.

Sid: You know the thing that’s so amazing to me John is that you trace time after time after time that the judgments hit America when we as a country do something Israel or against the Jewish people within 24 hours. It’s the most amazing thing sometimes almost immediately but there’s another thing that you do that I’ve never heard anyone else do before and that is the parallels between what happens to Israel happens to the United States. I mean when you started showing it to me it’s so blatant…

Sid: Now my guest is red hot for the Messiah he’s another Jewish man that is… I mean literally he is on a mission and the mission he’s on you’d be on a mission too if you found out what he found out. His name is Dr. Dell Sanchez and he found out that there are literally anywhere from 20 to 60 million Sephardic or Spanish Jews scattered throughout the world.  And most of them don’t even know that they’re Jewish and he’s gathered a list of some 6,000 names. There was something as you’re aware of that many of you the Spanish inquisition it was a very dark period of the history of the church in which they forced Jews either to be killed or to convert to Catholicism. But what most people are unaware of is this Spanish inquisition actually went into Mexico and parts of the United States and they would find Jews that fled for their life from Spain and they would kill them and would torture them unless they would quote confess the true faith and recant their Jewish belief and I mean the atrocities that occurred and it’s all been swept under the carpet. But guess what? The day of the Lord is about ready to come; judgment day is really on the scene and if we don’t repent of our sins the sins are upon us.  On yesterdays broadcast Dell we were telling about the fascinating history the Spanish Jews.  The Jews under Solomon actually about 965 BC according to the Bible started making expeditions to Tarshish and you say that that’s Spain.

Dell: Yes, yes I have collaborated with much research as well as to Hebrew encyclopedias Sid that state the fact that Tarshish is Spain.  And not only that but further during the Assyrian exile in 722 BC and later predominately in the return from the exile from Babylon inside 586 around that time era many of the Jews from Babylon preferred not to come back to Jerusalem they went straight to Spain. Then in 70 AD…

Sid: Well that’s a famous year because that’s when the Temple was destroyed and Titus and his Roman legions took over Jerusalem.

Dell: Yes, yes well most all of the secular historians that I have read that are from Spain they themselves believe that Jews founded Spain in 70AD.  Well I say “Thank you very much for acknowledging that but we’ve been there since the days of King David and King Solomon.”  So there is that witness from both secular and sacred historians that point right back to Sephardim that is also Sephardic and also Sephardic Spain founded by Jews from Israel.

Sid: I also find it fascinating that there is a Latin language that’s a mixture of Spanish and Hebrew.

Dell: Oh it’s a beautiful language and I didn’t even know that it was a language to itself because we used to use it when we were growing up and it’s called Ladino not Latino but Ladino with a “d” another word for it is larezmo which is the Hebraic Spanish expression of our own language. It has a lot of beautiful sayings what we call dichos refranes sayings clichés, ways of expressing different words and terms that are really from the Sephardic language Ladino.

Sid: Hm.  Now every school child in America knows one historic date if they don’t know anything else they know 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

Dell: Yeah (Laughing.)

Sid: But that was also a historic year in Spain tell me about that.

Dell: Oh my God yes because the day before Columbus he just took off and he sailed to discover, he wasn’t trying to discover America but he did. The day before is the day that the Jews of Spain were expelled, they were the founding Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492. So the point is they were fleeing, Columbus was actually I am convinced he was totally Sephardic Jew or part Sephardic Jew that is he and his family….

Sid: Now give me one reason why he might be.

Dell: Well for one is because the very nature of the fact that he was from the Iberian Peninsula of course he was born in Italy. And that he was bussing people back and forth a lot of people only think that he only had one trip. No he took at least documented 4 trips back and forth from Spain taking different people of Spanish surnames.  The Spanish surnames that were on his passengers list were Sephardic surnames.

Sid: In other words Spanish Jews…he was actually getting the Spanish Jews out of Spain.

Dell: Out of Spain.

Sid: Now what would happen to the Spanish Jews if they stayed?

Dell: Oh my goodness they would be forced to do what is called limpiador de la sangre, a cleansing of the blood. And they would be forced to wear a sampanito, a vest until the time of their trial.   They would be tortured, I mean in the most grotesque and wicked ways.  For instance in one case of torture they would tie you to a steel seat, a chair, they would tie your wrists to the arm rest and then they would tie…they would put a steel band around either your neck or your forehead and they would put a lump of pork fat on your feet. And then they would start a fire on your feet. And before all of the pork fat was burned away they put more pork fat just to torture you.

Sid: Why were they torturing these Jews?

Dell: They wanted to force the Jew first to confess to convert from their faith of their fathers or forefathers there was a Torah there was a Judaism and such.  And not only to force and confess and accept the Catholic the Roman Catholic version of Christianity but also to tell of all of their family members and their neighbors all of the clan and extended family that were Sephardic Jews. They were actually just developing this so they would go and fetch them and torture then limpieza de la sangre, meaning the cleansing of the blood, the ultimate, the only way to cleanse society, there places, that is their churches, their homes, their lands, their streets was by burning you at the stake.  That was called limpieza de la sangre when they burn you at that stake and then then they had cleansed themselves of your blood.

Sid: Now would a Jew in Spain be safe if they converted to Catholicism?

Dell: Some of them were able to do miracles because the miracle and through the handy work of God Sid they were able. Sad but true that some of them were they were gifted explorers, they were scientists, these were scholars that are Sephardic Jews in Spain. They were very wealthy, they were aristocrats, they were extremely wealthy so many of them were able to buy their survival for them and their families.

Sid: But what about someone that wasn’t able to that said “Okay I will just whether I believe or not I’ll become a Catholic to save my life there was a term called marrano was that where it developed?

Dell: Yes Sir once they forced you and you were able to live as a result of this process they would call you marrano it’s a Spanish word. We say marrano, marrano is a Spanish word for pig or swine.

Sid: But wait a second if someone converted to Catholicism why would they be called a pig?

Dell:  Because you are not really authentically originally a Catholic, a non-Jewish Catholic, you were converted from Jew, from a Jewish form of lifestyle to the Catholic church they call you a pig. And they force you to eat pig in front of the public and any time you took a trip say you were going to take a trip somewhere come, come up here before you go you’re going to have pork for dinner, or pork for breakfast.

Sid: Hmm.

Dell: Or whatever just to prove that you’re going to stay faithful to the faith and to the people of the Catholic church.

Sid: But I understand even if they submitted to all of that they still many of them died.

Dell: Oh, most definitely yes many of them extreme amounts of our people died not withstanding people that would say just tell me what you want me to say in bits of torture.  Being hung for instance they tie your hands behind your back, you know like with hand cuffs.

Sid: Right.

Dell: Then put you on a pulley and pull you up and it was pulling your arms backward and upward and they had all kinds of ingenious forms of causing all kinds of pain to your body and pulling you up, letting you down up and down forcing you to convert and forcing you to tell the secret of your family every secret that you knew of your family.  And of your community there was common to the Sephardic faith and the lifestyle.  There was another torture that was horrible they put you in a wheel and they would tie you and they would stretch you and they would dismember you so often time even before you were burned at the stake you were already tortured you were more dead than alive.  And in Madrid I saw the place Sid, I was there earlier this year and 2 years ago in the la plaza principal de Madrid, that is in the main plaza of Madrid, Spain.  I saw exactly where they have the high tribunal and they have the forced conversions they have the idols of sand and it was very very eloquent. And then after all of the processes and leaf upon leaf of evidence and documentation that was done by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church they would lead in a procession of the most awesome kind out to an arch of the prophet of Mural and then many of them never made it to the burning at the stake because they forced them to kneel in a stone concrete pillar there with a big cross and they would be decapitated right there.

Sid: Dell when you see this sad, sad history of people that call themselves Christians it’s a miracle that any Jewish person believes in Jesus today between the Spanish Inquisition, the Mexican Inquisition, the US Inquisition, Hitler used Christian terminology.  I mean it’s got to be one of the greatest miracles when a Jewish person can see through all of this satanic bondage and see the King of the Jews the one that really loves them Yeshua.

Dell: Yes, yes, yes. I moaned, and I grieved for years as I was coming into the realization of this documentation…

Sid: Dell I’m sorry we’re out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is John Carver. John has put together what is considered the greatest archive of materials of men and women that have been used by God in miracle healing ministries. And he’s put together 3 videos of 3 of the most outstanding signs and wonder ministers AA Allen, William Branham and Jack Coe he calls it sort of a play on their last names the “ABC’s of God” in which you’ll actually see miracles taking place under the greatest miracle ministries that we don’t even see today. But God commissioned him and He said for him to get these materials because there’s a generation that knows nothing about the miracle working power of God. Now John tell me a nugget something you’ve learned about watching these great men and women of God that’s helped you in your own ministry.

John: Well as I have observe these things these tapes/videos when we transfer the actual films we have the films to the video and as I would watch these Branham teaches the message in there called “Deep Called Unto Deep” as the Psalms. And as I would watch them the things God would speak to me and one of the things that I found out by watching these videos was the very fact that most of these ministers they never ask in a sense they never pray like “Heavenly Father do this or do that” they work with the authority of the position. In other words when you study the life of Christ He never hardly ever prayed “Father you do this but He did it.”  And we have a commission from God for us to do the works of Christ.  Now what I’ve learned from these men is that each one had a particular way of doing it of course, everybody’s indigenous they have that individual touch and the personality.  And God many times gives work with that personality, but they would pray in such a way that each one would be different but here’s just a general ideal of it and it would be something along these lines:

• “I call for the healing power of Jesus Christ to come alive in these bodies.”
• Or “Oh God in the name of Jesus let a miracle take place right now.
• Or something along the lines “In the Name of Jesus come out! Be loosed!”

Sid: There really was an authority there was this faith it was like it would a shock if it didn’t happen.

John: That’s right absolutely and sometime Allen there’s a story that another Voice of Healing told me I didn’t see it.  He told me this and I believe it his name is Joseph De Groto another great man of God down in Florida there. And he was part of the Voice of Healing and he was at a time where in a prayer meeting or not a prayer meeting but a prayer line where Allen literally worked for over an hour with one woman that she would get her healing. These guys had the tenacity of bull dog they knew they just knew they were…

Sid: I saw them pulling people out stretchers it looked like they were dying the last breath. And I men in your videos I mean that is courage.

John: Yeah that takes courage (Laughing) yes it does you better know God told you you know you better know God told you to do this and they worked under that authority.  You see one of the parables it talks about is say “That the lord or the master left and he gave authority unto his servants.” And Velmer Gardner preaches a tremendous message on “The God of Miracles Lives Today.” And that’s one of the themes that he built his ministry well he was a healing preacher.  And then I did a person interview on him and that’s one of the things that he spoke to me about and I hold those things that these things that these men spoke to me very dear to my heart because this is literally the mechanics of how God works. And He doesn’t do the same thing over the same way twice most of the time. God always is the God of variety.

Sid: Would you right now as the Spirit of God leads you just teach for only about a minute or 2 and pray that there are people listening that there’s 2 groups of people there are people that are saying “I want to walk in this miracle ministry but then there’s another group of people saying I have a terminal illness?

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: I’m not going to live unless I get a miracle.

John: Hm hm.

 Sid: Speak to those people.

John: Well I can speak from experience when my wife was hit with cancer twice and was being taken care of by the physicians that I knew that I had to get up to a place where I had to pray and get a hold of God and this is one of the ways I prayed. I said “Father I come to your throne in the name of Jesus and I know that the enemy wants to destroy my life and destroy the life of my family. Now in Jesus name I come against the life of this cancer I come against the life of this disease and the diabolical powers that are behind it and you say if I bind anything here on earth it shall be bound in heaven and whatever I loose here shall be loosed up in heaven. I lose my wife from this affliction.” And even then we had medical help had it not been from the power of God she would not be here today. And I can tell you for surety that the power of God is real today for anybody that wants it God is not a respecter of persons He’s looking for people that He can minister to and through this anointing. Over in 2^nd Corinthians it says chapter 1 and verse 3 “Blessed be the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ the God of mercy who helps us in our troubles that we might be able to help those who are in any trouble.” Therefore God lets us go through things sometimes in order that we might have a greater compassion I know He’s done that with me.  In the name of Jesus there are people in the listening audience right now that are suffering with tremendous back pain and who are going through injury that have had injuries through car accidents and through falls and nature of their backs being damaged.  And I know in my heart right now that God wants to set you free He does not want people to get into any desire of people suffering He wants you free right now. And you’ll just reach out right now in faith and agreeance with me and you will get your healing it’s just that simple I’ve seen it happen 100’s of times and I know…

Sid: How does someone reach out what do they do?

John: Well there was a lady who came in a prayer line and I prayed for her and she came back a second time and she said “I’m still in pain, I’m still in pain.” And I said “Hun I know that God wants your healing and if you’ll just exercise….” See a lot of people think they need a whole bunch of faith you don’t need to use the little bit that you have and if you step out on that  little bit that you’ve got and exercise your faith God will do the rest. He’s made the move by sending Jesus Christ to you like in a game of checkers.  He’s made the first move you’ve heard the message “Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God.”  And if your heart is prickling on the inside right now and you sense God’s presence that’s God’s saying to you “Hey this is for you folks; this is for you you can have this right now.”

Sid: You know I sure sense God’s presence right now and I believe that there are people that actually are feeling heat on their body and that’s the presence of God. And I heard as John was praying I heard that there was someone with a migraine headache and it’s gone in Jesus name. But I tell people exactly what God said and that is “Do something you couldn’t do before, if you’re driving pull off the side of the road; if you have a back problem stand up and bend over, move your neck.” What I find John that once one person is healed anyone can be healed with anything have you noticed that?

John: Sure, yes Sir I’ve seen it come in stages they get something and then they say “Oh I’ve got this and then the next step is that they get that and then the next step.” Jesus always asked people to do something every time He prayed with somebody most of the time that is that they had to do something.  I know there’s extraordinary occasions like the man that was already dead but there are cases where most of the time where Jesus asked them to so something exercise your faith.

Sid: Another quick nugget that you learned.

John: One of the things that I feel like that is so close to me is that you have to learn and I’ve already said it once it’s like “Learn to walk within the territory of which God told you to walk.”  I live in Baltimore, Maryland and geographically if God said that’s where He’ll walk at that’s where I’m supposed to walk at.

Sid: I’ve noticed that certain people say they go to different countries and they say their anointing changes they have almost an Apostles type anointing in these other countries they come back to America and they’re just like everyone else.

John: Well that’s where they’re supposed to be at (Laughing.)  You know you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out if you have a greater anointing in a certain area geographically it counts and many times we’re in the wrong place we need to be in the place that God calls us to be. And you know it’s so much easier you know I saw a lady driving a car and she was taking so long to get out of the parking place if she would just let the car move a little bit she would have been able to steer a whole lot easier.  And that’s what you’ve got to get going in order for this period. Your guidance will come through the word of God mostly, through the visitation of the Holy Spirit, but you got to get moving and find out where God wants to use you. Don’t be afraid to step out on the water; Peter stepped out on the water. When I was first stepping out when RW Schambach came on the radio every day what a faith preacher. He would get on that radio every day and he would say “Step out on the water.” And I was afraid to step out, I was afraid that I would be offender, I was afraid that I wouldn’t be able to make it, I was afraid that what people had to say. I was afraid because I wasn’t educated and I wasn’t refined and this sort of stuff.  But when I stepped out on the water God made it able to hold me and He’s never left me sink.

Sid: You know one of my thoughts was “I wish I could have gone to a William Branham meeting, or an AA meeting, or a Jack Coe meeting because of the miracles that go on there. But it’s just like going to one of their meetings when you see one of your videos it’s like having a front row seat.

John: Absolutely you know I’ll never be able to meet Dr. Price here he’s already dead gone to be with the Lord. I will never meet DL Moody even though we have a voice recording of DL Moody. I will never be able to meet these people, but when I hear their voices, or I read their material, or I study their Bible studies, or I see a video I am able to partake into their ministry…

Sid: We’re going to have fun because my special guest is Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, but I don’t call him rabbi I just call him Jonathan. Because I’ve known him, how long have…

Jonathan: I prefer that by the way thank you.

Sid: I know. How long have we known each other?

Jonathan: We met in 1983. So… what is that 32 years?

Sid: That’s a long…

Jonathan: That’s a long time.

Sid: …time. But my fondest memory of you is when you were a Messianic Rabbi in Rochester, New York. I would go up there for weekends, or 3 day retreats with you. We would pray in supernatural languages in tongues. I am not 90% I am 100% convinced that you and I were praying our futures and we didn’t even have a clue when that was going on.

Jonathan: Absolutely I am sure that is the case also.

Sid: You broke into something called (sound of microphone being rubbed)… and by the way you’ll find if you touch this mike (laughing).

Jonathan: (Laughing) I won’t touch it. I’m not going anywhere near there again.

Sid: Good. You started doing something that I had seen before and I thought was pretty weird but I knew it was God but it was so weird. The reason it was weird is because no one was doing it. You know if you’ve never seen something of God it looks weird because you know it’s a vibe to your computer which is what you got inside of here, but it’s called travail.  What is your definition of travail?

Jonathan: Well the way I understand travail, and by the way this came as a real surprise this is nothing that I drummed up or did by force of will.

Sid: By the way I know Jonathan he’s such a conservative guy, it’s the last thing that he would have done.

Jonathan: That’s true but it’s really a God thing.  I was overcome with the… I would just call it the burden of the Lord. The scripture talks quite a bit about the burden of the Lord with different people at different times in history. I was overcome with the burden of the Lord and I was praying in tongues, other tongues, and then that wasn’t enough. The force the intensity of the sense of unction was so great that I just began to groan and sounds came out of my mouth Sid that I had never heard before. I connect this to the statement in Romans 8 where it talks about creation groaning.

Sid: Yes.

Jonathan: Actually groaning and I believe that it’s a creative force we’re groaning to bring about a restoration, where groaning to bring about God’s plan for the world. In this case God specific plan for my life as it applied to His plan of redemption, specifically my destiny and out came these strange sounds.

Sid: Here is the thing I have never thought, I have never said publically, why? Because it just came to me at this moment. Jonathan and I had the high privilege, God spoke to Jonathan told him to do an evangelistic outreach for Jewish people, never been done before, never. In Saint Petersburg, Russia and I went with him on the first meeting and at this first meeting Jonathan and I saw something that it was beyond my wildest expectation.

Jonathan: Both of ours and it was being at the right place at the right time. Sid I believe that there’s dotted lines that connect back to our times of fasting and prayer together and travail. What we saw in 1993 was a 4000 seat concert hall, the Oktyabrsky Concert Hall, filled every night consecutively for 3 nights, 4000 people standing room only. People were turned away because the crowds were so great. When we gave the alter calls you could feel this tractor beam coming on and almost the whole auditorium, filled with Jewish people, would come down the aisles, running down the aisles.

Sid: He just said the keyword they were running to be saved. Now here’s the thing I have never said publicly, I never even thought or had on my radar, it wasn’t what we just said. This is for Jonathan as well for everyone that’s watching right now. Jonathan told me this travail went away it birthed something… it was almost like you know I see travail Jonathan as a woman giving birth to a child.

Jonathan: I do too.

Sid: That’s what was going on…

Jonathan: It’s birth pangs.

Sid: We were giving birth to this move of God among Jewish people back… What year was that?

Jonathan: 1993.

Sid: That was in ’93, okay. Since that time Jonathan has not moved into this travail except he just told me before we started this television show. I’m going in to travail all of a sudden it’s starting again. Would you like to know why it’s starting again Jonathan?

Jonathan: I’m ready to hear. I think I know but…

Sid: I know you know but they don’t know I know you know, but you I know and we’ll tell them how to know.

Jonathan: (Laughing)

Sid: This is what it is. We are about ready to see the greatest move of God’s move in history, the greatest awakening in the world. It started with the Jew 2000 years ago, and it’s going to start with the Jew again. We are going to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people I have no doubt, you don’t have to get your stones to stone me if it’s a false word because it’s not a false word it’s true. Let everyman be a liar but God’s word is true. This is the fulness of the Gentile age, this is the maturity of the Gentiles, this is the set time to favor Zion. Jonathan you know anything to do with Israel and Jewish people is… God says “The Jewish people are the apple of His eye.” This is the moment, it’s not that God loves Jews more than Gentile Christians, or vice a versa, let God be God…

Jonathan: That’s right.

Sid: …and this is God’s moment for Israel, God’s moment for Jewish people, and I have to ask you something….

Jonathan: The set time to favor Zion Sid is here, it is here. We are in the period known as the end of days and just as it began with the Jewish people it finishes with the Jewish people. We are seeing this all over the restoration of Israel, the restoration of Jerusalem in 1967 directly connected to an outpouring of the Spirit, and now we’re in the final wrap up and the gospel is now going again to the Jewish people and from the Jewish people; the power of God is being and it will get greater, and greater, and greater I believe, lighter and lighter and lighter as the world gets darker.

Sid: You know something Jonathan I would not want to be doing anything else than what I am doing right now.

Jonathan: Me either.

Sid: It’s… and I’ll tell you something else…

Jonathan: Nor would I want to live than any other time than now.

Sid: No! In fact you told me that you’ve been feeling an unction of the Holy Spirit about the end times that… the Lord keeps telling you that time is short. Tell me about it.

Jonathan: Shorter, and shorter, and shorter. The end is near I wake up with scriptures like the end is near so get ready. The time clock is ticking and I think if we could see the world as a time clock it’s one minute to 12 right now were that close.

Sid: I believe that but here’s the thing that gets me upset I have to tell you, I have many prophetic friends and they’re telling me buy gold and silver, and store food, and store guns, and store water. These are all good things if God tells me to do it because everything’s going to get awful and there’s going to be camps they’re going to hurt Christians in these places. You know what? It’s not even on my radar. You know what’s on my radar? I see the greatest awakening the world has ever seen. I am not focusing on that negative junk, maybe it’s true, but “No weapon formed against me is going to prosper.” I like that better than my stored food.

Jonathan: Two things we should be storing up okay?

Sid: What?

Jonathan:

1. Treasure in heaven – we should be storing up treasures in heaven. We should be storing up souls because they follow us to heaven. When we get to heaven we will see all the people we impacted. I believe that we need to be proclaiming the good news now and storing up souls in heaven that we’ll meet when we get there. That’s the first thing.
2. I had a vision of this Sid. I saw a water tower and I saw this chain that was pulled and the water came gushing out. The Lord showed me that this tower is intercession. Intercession is like a water tower, when you intercede when you pray in other tongues, when you go into a deeper form of prayer (travail, groaning, supplication) you’re actually storing up power in like a water tower and when you need it it’s like pulling the chain and out comes the power and that’s what we need to be storing up. I didn’t see that picture before that you are actually storing up prayer and when you need it that power, that dunamis is released. So we need to be storing up prayer.

Sid: That’s why praying in tongues is so important.

Jonathan: Critical!

Sid: Now let me say something this is brand new. Because of the times that we’re living in I love it and I just dropped the CD. That’s what I love about something more I don’t care if we mess up or anything things don’t have to be perfect (laughing).

Jonathan: (Laughing) It’ll still play fine.

Sid: Yeah. Tell me about your brand new “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures.”

Jonathan: This is the third in a series. It’s a project that I’ve undertaken to go through the names of God and group scriptures that directly connect to that revelation of His name. God expresses Himself in different compound names and this one is specifically with God Who provides, our provider. I’ve found that all of the names of God are actually intertwined, there’s overlap but this is the very nature of God, this is the very person of God expressed through these different compound names. This one is called Adonai Yireh – The Lord who provides…

Sid: No! No! No! It’s called Jehovah Jireh that’s what the song says.

Jonathan: That’s what the songs says but if you go back to the actual Hebrew it’s:

Yud – Hey – Vav – Hey which there’s 2 passages actually that this compound name comes from Elohim – God will provide.

The actual Hebrew is pronounced Year-reh.  I know it’s Jehovah Jireh but the actual Hebrew is Yud – Hey – Vav – Hey which is Yaweh, Jehovah, I use the word Adonai just because I’m from a Jewish background and I not comfortable directly pronouncing what we call the tetragrammaton Yireh.

Sid: Wait you know what I’m comfortable doing that, however, I come from a background and that’s what we used Adonai same as you. I just do it because (singing) Tradition.

Jonathan: That’s right that’s what… tradition as well. So I call it Adonai Yireh or it could be Jehovah, or Yaweh Yireh – The Lord will provide. If I can I would like to tell you the origin of this revelation because it really brings to context when we sing “Jehovah Jireh Our Provider.” We think of the Lord pouring out riches and wealth, divine provision, and all of that is connected to the word, but if you really want to understand what Yireh means you have to go back to the original revelation which comes from Genesis 22 verses 13 and 14. It’s the story of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son, his only son Isaac which is a beautiful type, a prophetic type of the Lord giving us His only begotten Son Jesus the Messiah.

Sid: It is.

Jonathan: It says Abraham lifted up his eyes, he’s ready to sacrifice Isaac; see this picture now, and Isaac is not a little child he’s old enough to fight his father and to escape…

Sid: Right.

Jonathan: …But it’s an act of obedience for Isaac as well. So Abraham has lifted the knife and it says that just as he is about to slay his son believing that if does kill his son that God will resurrect him, he has that much faith. Then he lifts up his eyes in verse 13 and there’s a ram caught in the thicket, or the thick bushes of the thorns. So he took the ram and he offered it up instead of the son and named the place: Adonai, or Jehovah, or Yaweh Yireh – The Lord will provide. Then it’s mentioned again…

Sid: Now you know…

Jonathan: There’s a place that he calls it Adonai Yireh.

Sid: You know there is such a presence of God when you said the word. That’s where the presence is.

Jonathan: I felt that anointing. That is…

Sid: The Lord will provide. That’s in context but when we come back I want you to explain to me why have such an emphasis on confessing God’s word, but beyond that…

Jonathan: The Hebrew.

Sid: …confessing God’s word in Hebrew, and beyond that allowing people in just a few minutes to be able to be able to pronounce, a few seconds really, to be able to pronounce Hebrew.

Jonathan: There’s a reason and I have that reason.

Sid: I know you do.

Sid: Sid Roth here with something more Israel Pachtar and I have to tell you Israel has chutzpah he comes to Israel with a wife, small child and $10 and doesn’t even speak Hebrew.  But he survived and I guess that’s the trademark of us Jewish people we survive we get a lot of help it’s called God because God promised we would go to 4 corners of the earth and still survive as a people and one day return to the land of Israel.  So he gets to Israel; was there any special spiritual feeling you felt when you and your wife and your son small son got off the plane?

Israel: I had terrible headache.

Sid: Oi vey that’s not what I was looking for (Laughing.)

Israel: I had a fever yes we had a tough first experience.

Sid: (Laughing) well the first time I went to Israel I got down and I kissed the ground so that’s what I was looking for. But okay you’re being real.  So you get a job you join a congregation you survive because you began to evangelize to a congregation in Tel Aviv 9 years later you’re driving in a little town which I’ve been to Ashdod and you hit a cloud of glory.  What is that explain.

Israel: Oh it was the most powerful experience in my life spiritual experience I had been driving the car.

Sid: Were you alone?

Israel: Yes just myself and a little feels like a heat of a cloud and time had stopped because I’d been driving and so I guess the experience itself in the physical world was a few seconds but the time had stopped.  And I really have an open vision and the whole experience with God I’m not going to tell you all of the details.

Sid: But tell me a little I’m really curious

Israel: Okay.

Sid: Tell me more details.

Israel: Okay so first of all I was cut off the Holy Spirit powerful way I had never experienced such a thing and saw an open vision and I saw a huge congregation 1000’s of people this was Israelis it was obvious Israelis worshipping Yeshua in Ashdod.  It was a big facility international flags, youth the whole kind of little >>>> people coming from the nations to join us for some conferences maybe or a revival or whatever it is. And I literally saw 1000’s of Israelis born people.  And I heard the voice I believe it was physical voice but at least it was so real and He again spoke to me like first time He said “Go leave everything behind go to your home go to Israel.”

Sid: Yes.

Israel: Now God spoke to me saying “Leave everything behind in Tel Aviv and move to Ashdod and start a Messiah Hebrew Congregation.”

Sid: Now He said this to you was the voice just a thought or did you actually hear a voice.

Israel: I hear a voice; it’s hard to say to me it was inner voice or from outside if anybody that would sit next to me would hear this voice but it was just clear and loud voice.  So I then stopped to drive…

Sid: Have you ever been to Ashdod before?

Israel: Ah a few times I had a family actually I had lead family to the Lord in the city and I came to visit it them.

Sid: I see.

Israel: They called me to come to Ashdod and I said “Ah I’m not leaving Tel Aviv no my congregation is there my Ministry Alive House so everything is there yeah.

Sid: So God said that how did your wife and children take it?

Israel: Very special I came home very excited I mean God spoke to me because I cried to the Lord and I just cried and I repented.  And you know I received a couple of times before Ashator this kind but prophetic words from 2 different people and they said to me “You’ve been faithful to serve under somebody now I’m giving you your own ministry.” And I just rejected I wasn’t ready I felt like I felt comfortable to be a second man and an evangelist and I was comfortable with all of the friends that I led to the Lord I didn’t want it.  I said to them “I don’t believe it’s God and they just left it.” Now when God spoke to me my first reaction was I repented, and I just understood that God already was knocking preparing me and I totally rejected so I needed dramatic experiences.

Sid: Are you telling me that when calls us Jewish people stiff necked it really means that (Laughing.)

Israel: Prophets coming from different countries never knew me speaking details of my life and then telling me about “Soon you’re going to go.”  “No, this can’t be God I’m not going” stiff neck yes.  But the first thing I did I repent, I cried and then I repent and I just recognize what God is doing and how I was stiff.  Came home to my wife excited “God just spoke to me God Himself; all supernatural experience!”  I thought that she would be excited so I opened the door and said “Vickie I have great news God spoke to me we’re leaving Tel Aviv and we’re going to Ashdod!”  You know what was her reaction?  Tears, she just cried quietly cried.

Sid: Tears of joy or tears of sadness.

Israel: No tears of sadness.

Sid: (Laughing) Okay.

Israel: And she said “I don’t want to leave Tel Aviv.” Then I kind of came down and said “You know what let’s pray about that.” And so she toke a few days of prayer and she came back to me and said “I know it’s God we’re going.”

Sid: But if you or she had know what you were going to walk into would you have…do you think that you would have gone if you had known that what was going to happen happened?”

Israel: Probably not, ah no.

Sid: He’s there for a short while she’s starting a work and one day a 1000 orthodox Jews very religious you know I’ve seen the ones with the black hats and the pais the you know the scriptures say “Don’t shave the corners of your beard and the tailfin.”  And they can be very intimidating explain in your words what happened.

Israel: Yeah one day we just woke up to reality the police warned us and police city police.  Israel I just want to admit it Israel is a free country, it’s a democratic country and you can believe whatever you like and you can preach whatever you like it’s free. Many times people think that to preach the gospel is forbidden to share their thought is forbidden.

Sid: Yeah I hear their thoughts and rumors.

Israel: No the law there is not such a law like that but there is a position and a heavy one sometimes so what happened to have such a big demonstration you need to work with the police. So they have their head agreement permission to come an protest and so we we’d seen 1000 orthodox led by the main Ashkenazi Rabbi so in my city so I’m an Ashkenazi Jew so it’s kind of my people

Sid: Well I have to tell you this I’m Ashkenazi too so that’s why we’re friends; no that’s why were teaching no I love everyone but I am Ashkenazi.  There’s two groups one is Ashkenazi and the Sephardic. Or Ashkenazi are kind of European and Sephardic are the Spanish Jews. And there’s a big rivalry but if you had any idea how intimidating for a 1000 of these people and they started chanting, what were they chanting?

Israel: Oh they say all kinds of things and it was on the radio, TV, newspapers, everywhere. They had been accusing us that we are like a Hitler we are destroying Jewish people we are converting them to different religion which is not truth because we’re preaching the God of Israel to our people and the Messiah of Israel. They have been accusing us of all kinds of things and promising they are giving promises to their crowd and they said “We’re going to force them out of our city, all of the Messianic Believers and every Christian they’re going to force them out from our city.  Which is not really legal to say but it is what it is.

Sid: Hm.

Israel: It was a beginning a tough beginning because since then…

Sid: Well on TV though and they would curse you actually on television and would they show your picture on TV?

Israel: You know I didn’t watch the programs I saw programs were there and I just didn’t want to watch.

Sid: I understand.

Israel: But I did read articles what they said in the articles and they put Nazi cross next to my name explaining that we are very evil and bad and we need to be cast out from the city and from the country.  And even Chief Robin said of the city said “I cannot speak for all country it’s a big country but I can promise you we’re going to get rid of them in our city we’re going to deal with it very intimidating.

Sid: Now I was told it was like flyers they put up with your picture.

Israel: Yes it was just the beginning and then every time you would come to my congregation local believers, Messianic Believers, foreign guests every time you would come to my congregation and you have small crowd a dozen of people sometimes who are cursing you in your face, spiting sometimes on you sometimes on the floor. Cursing you to your face speaking to my kids and walking with my kids and cursing me and telling them “Do you know who is your father?” And my son just went to the army it was tough for him he was a soldier in the Israeli Army but of course we know the Bible and so we stick with the Bible and what they show us it said honor but it takes your emotions you know and they also spread fear lots of fear because not only that every believer come to the congregation have to come with kids and kids are more scared little kids are scared they see big people standing and cursing some of them very tall purposely chosen very tall guys and I’m not tall I’m not like you any way it’s a beginning.  Then they would follow our people when our people would drive home they would follow them with their cars and find them when they leave and after that they would pay visits to their family, to their relatives, to their neighbors. And most of our people I mean all of our people they live in apartment houses it’s a city it’s not private houses but we have lots of neighbors.  I’m living in the 6^th floor out of 10 so I have dozens of neighbors so they visit neighbors and they spoke with every neighbor kind of trying to put strong pressure on our people not to come to the congregation.  And I mean God did lots of miracles together with that but it was tough.

Sid: How…wait wait wait I don’t get it a wife, 2 small children.

Israel: Three back then.

Sid: Three then, 3 children why didn’t you just pack up and go back to Tel Aviv?  I’m serious why didn’t you?

Israel: Actually you speaking like the Orthodox because they came to me one evening when I was walking out…

Sid: Please don’t say I speak like the Orthodox but go ahead.

Israel: I just said don’t say that.

Sid: I know, I know.

Israel: And they really said to me they said to me Israel is now is your time to pack, pack and go start packing…

Sid: So why didn’t you?

Israel: I mean I just know God called me and probably because of that I needed that supernatural experience at the beginning I knew that He called me.

Sid: But your wife how could she put up as a mother how could she do that? I mean I’m going to try to give you a hard time I just want to comprehend this.

Israel: It’s the grace of God I mean all I can say it was amazing grace and comfort of the Holy Spirit which is telling you you never can be ready for such a thing you cannot even after if I would know ahead of time how can you be ready for such a thing?

Sid: Right it’s like a martyr, a martyr can’t prepare ahead of time the grace comes on them to be a martyr at the moment.

Israel: Right exactly.  Now I want to add another thing you know they took my pictures down from the internet they found the pretty nice pictures and my wife’s pictures and they most posters all over the city small ones and big ones saying black and red. Black and red saying careful Israel and Victoria Pachtar they are dangerous missionaries who are stealing your souls and who are doing such and such and they put their my home address.

Sid: Oh no.

Israel:  My home address, my apartment I live in like the whole city knew where I live it was scary it was kind of cold to heat you know and it was really scary. You went out from your house and every day repeatedly shields of the cars filled with my picture and my wife pictures bus stops and all over walls. And we tried to make jokes of it you know walking in the city and you see people looking at you recognizing you we just been saying “Oh I’m like a movie star” (Laughing.)

Sid: Now I think that’s great but I can tell you I could have handled it but I don’t know how my wife and daughter could have handled something like that.

Israel: It was tough my kids were very mad and upset and…

Sid: Mad at the Orthodox or mad at you keeping them there.

Israel: No the Orthodox but they know that and they’re strong believers they know we’re doing right.  And they know that actually even when they were making their decisions follow the Lord and now they are soldier both of them are skits they are soldiers in the army. And all we know we love our country, we’re living for our country, we would never leave our country, we would never betray our country. They know that we are patriot and they know that we are more patriot that most of these Israelis and sure most of the religious community in our city. And this is what also giving part time because they know that we are living and ready to die for our country at the same time all of this hatred and all of this evil talks.

Sid: When we come back I got something more for you…Do you know someone came to my first outreach in Israel and they got…can you quickly tell me this woman she was praying for her son what happened at the last outreach not the last one the one before.

Israel: Yeah she came there and she was worried about her son because he was lying in the bed for a month and doctors and we have pretty advanced medicine in Israel but doctors couldn’t help they didn’t know what to do. So when you was talking about the word of knowledge that a back God touching your back and you got healed. She just said like in the New Testament she said “I’m okay I claim the healing for my son.”  And she’s not a believer I mean she’s not totally not. And she said “I claim it for my son, for my son Lord touch my son, God touch my son, let this prayer go to my son.” And she has been repeating again, again, again my son, my son, my son.  When she get home her son was okay making coffee in the kitchen and she told him the story you know what happened?  And she said “No way God is real.”

Sid: Can you imagine she’s agreeing, she’s agreeing her son who isn’t even there is going to be healed; he gets healed at the precise moment she’s agreeing.  Plus she says a prayer like everyone else to receive, she brought 100 unsaved Jewish people to our meeting in Jerusalem.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Gary Kah. I explained on yesterday’s broadcast that Gary has made it a life study of the One World Government One World Religion.  It started many years ago in the1980’s when he was the Europe and Middle East Trade Specialist for the government of Indiana and visited over 20 countries. And he saw what almost shocked him this One World Order evolving in fact Gary in your book “On Route to Global Occupation” you had a scenario to what has just happened in America would you read that?

Gary: Yes I wrote regarding the future of the United States in building the New World Order where it helping to bring it about. And I quote now:

“Having gained some idea of America’s role in building the New World Order.  The only remaining question I had was what will happen to the United States once it has fulfilled its mission?   There is some disagreement among researchers on this question.  Some believe that once we’ve entered the One New Order Europe will be made the headquarters of the world government others believe that the seat of power for the world government will be in the United States specifically in New York City. As we currently stand New York could be the logical choice to be the capital given the logical fact that it is the most powerful and influential city in the world and the United Nations the Counsel of Formulations and the Trilateral Commission are all headquartered there.  However the secret hierarchy of Europe is still ultimately in charge might have different plans.  If they intend to locate the world capitol in Europe they will find a way to do so such a decision would probably involve however either the economic devastation or physical destruction of New York City.  This could be accomplished in several ways economically collapse of the stock market or severe depression or physically as an act of terrorism as a nuclear accident or physically through a limited nuclear war.  Whatever method would be selected the European hierarchy would be capable of carrying it out if God allowed it. 

And then I continue to quote from there but that’s the gist of it.

Sid: Now when you wrote that how long ago was that?

Gary: I wrote that in 1987.

Sid: Did you feel that you were being prophetic when you wrote that?

Gary: Well I wrote my book it’s over a period of 6 years and put so much prayer and research into it that I hung on every word that was written I wanted to make sure it was from the Lord and I wasn’t just writing what Gary Kah wanted to say.  And my purpose wasn’t to make prophetic statements but just to lay out the possibilities that I saw then and based upon my research and what the Bible says. And so I wrote down what I believe the Lord gave me and the book went to print then in 199l. And as you can imagine since things happened in New York City our phone has been ringing off the hook regarding all of this.

Sid: Now you mentioned on yesterday’s broadcast that you see a whole lot more than just some radical Moslems involved in terrorism. You see a lot of other elements involved for instance in the report that I read you talk about Masons how are they involved?

Gary: Well in a big way actually Free Masonry is the most powerful secret society in the world today in sheer numbers and influence it has been for a long time. And historically it has a lot of roots in Islam and a friend of mine who was a Christian leader in Lebanon, an Arab Christian leader, told me years ago that President Assad of Syria was a top Mason. He thought that Saddam Hussein was although he could not verify it he’s pretty sure about it. More recently I learned that Mikhail Gorbachev became a Mason while in England that’s according to Dr. Stan Monty who has the evidence for that he just shared that with me a few weeks ago.  Most of your top globalists pushing the One World Government agenda are rooted in High Free Masonry.  Now as in Islam you’ve got many masons that are naively involved who have no clue about what their orders all about in higher levels and I want to say that because I even have friends who are Masons and I dialog with them and until I actually show them what they believe out of their own historical books they don’t know. And fortunately I’ve been able to get some of those books and quote from them and…

Sid: And speaking to quotes I have a quote by the name of Albert Pike from your report he was the head of the Scottish rite Freemasonry. And in August 1871 very interesting do you have that quote in front of you would you read that?

Gary: Yes according to Pike:

There would be a conflict between 2 future super powers which would be sparked by first igniting a crisis of Islam and Judism. And he goes on to state and I quote “He said we shall unleash the nihilist and the atheist and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which will in all of its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism the origin of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then every where the people forced to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries will exterminate those destroyers of civilization. And the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose theistic spirits will be from that moment on without direction and leadership anxious for an ideal but without knowledge where to send the adoration will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation that will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism both conquered and exterminated at the same time.

Sid: How in the world did you get this document in your possession?

Gary: Well I’ll tell you this when I was  working for the government shortly after I left my job I began coming on to Masonic books and it’s a long story but the door opened and then I began to read and research these and get more and more. And now I have my own library, I have copies of morals and dogma by Albert Pike which is the center piece book of Free Masonry.

Sid: Who is the god of Mason’s according to what is what you have read in writing?

Gary: Well page 48 of the “Lost Keys of Freemasonry” by Manly P. Hall.” And I quote their own books otherwise most Masons will say “No this not true.” Manly P. Hall talks about the seeding energies of Lucifer that comes upon a Mason when he gets to a certain level in an order.  He does not reveal what level that is but he says to go above and beyond that level you have to prove your abilities to properly apply this power or energy.

Sid: Now do the lower level people even have any knowledge whatsoever of this?

Gary:  I think most of them don’t as I mentioned however they do have access to some of these books. In fact “The Lost Keys of Freemasonry.” As well as “Worlds and Dogma” which talks about Lucifer on page 321. You can get those at any Scottish Rite reading room.  I mean any Masonic library anywhere in the country would have those books. And I might throw in one other book that is most revealing and it’s called “The Secret Teaching of the Ages by Manly P. Hall.  You can actually get that book now in some New Age book stores it has become popular so popular that apparently the masons have allowed that to flow into the mainstream of the New Age movement which 50 years ago you would had to belong to a secret society at a higher level to get any of this information but today you can now go into New Age book stores and get this kind of information.

Sid: Okay Gary let’s talk a little bit about Gorbachev and how dead is the Russian Bear?

Gary: Well unfortunately Russia is alive and well from a military standpoint in fact they’re very powerful.  Yes the salaries to some of the military are low but unlike what you see in the media where they lead us to believe that Russia’s military is history. They have been building up while we have been scaling back.

Sid: Would you read the portion of the speech that you have in the report of Gorbachev to the Polit Bureau on 1987.

Gary: Yeah Gorbachev made this statement to the Polit Bureau in 1987 and I’ve got 3 or 5 others in my book “New World Religion” and this is just one of them.  But he said: Gentlemen comrades do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnosts and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years.  These are primarily for outward consumption there will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union other than for cosmetic purposes.  Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

Sid: Now tell me of the tie in between One World Order and Gorbachev and the Pope.

Gary: Well if you’re going to have a One World Government you need to have a coming together the world’s religions a type of religious unification or interfaith otherwise it’s not going to work.  And it just so happens that Gorbachev and the Pope had a very close relationship for many years. And again in this 10 page report that I put together I’ve got a…it’s about a half page quote of Gorbachev talking about this special relationship that he had had with Pope John Paul the II. And they have been working very closely on building this New World Order if that’s what you want to call it. And I realized from my Catholic friends this might be hard for them to accept but I do have the documentation for it and it’s important that we’re aware of these developments and the developments going on in certain Protestant circles by leaders increasingly supporting the interfaith agenda. But let me just mention this very quickly on November 4^th and 5 of last year unbeknownst to the public the Pope posted an unprecedented global planning session. The Vatican web page referred to this event as a meeting of “The World’s Parliament” their words not mine.   There were prominent European officials there, thousands of national parliaments, Gorbachev.  This meeting eclipsed even last year’s UN Millennium Summit of the most important political leaders.  And this got no media coverage whatsoever none.  So…

Sid: What was the purpose of this meeting?

Gary: The purpose of the meeting was to take the developments from the UN Millennium Summit that took place a year ago September at the UN one step further. This meeting at the Vatican brought together the political, the economic and the spiritual all in one place which the UN Millennium Summit was more political in nature. This meeting brought all of the pieces together again with Gorbachev being very close to the Pope on all of these developments. And also regarding the Mideast developments Pope John Paul the II for the last 18 months or so has met with Yasser Arafat, he’s met with numerous Arab leaders, he has been central stage really in Mideast diplomacy even Madeleine Albright during the Clinton Administration was traveling to the Vatican talking with Vatican officials regarding the developments. And early this year the Pope went so far as to visit an Islamic Mosque in Syria. So people need to be aware that the Church of Rome has a huge influence in the development…

Sid: So the Church of Rome goes, the Pope goes to Islamic Mosque. They celebrate in the White House under the Clinton Administration Ramadan. Clerics from the Muslim faith open our Senate and Congress, there really is a mixture.

Gary: There is and it’s quite amazing to see this but it appears as if superficial Christianity, elements of Islam, of Judism, of Hinduism, of Buddhism are all coming together.

Sid: We’re out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Rick Neill. I’m speaking to him at his home right outside of Akron, Ohio. We’re talking about his brand new book “Ultimate Glory.” I’m so excited about this because this is the first book that I’ve seen that explains the last days; the understanding of where the rapture occurs, where the very ingredients occur not based on Greco-Roman understanding but based on Hebraic understanding. It changes the whole thing, I mean it makes it so clear so simple. You see in the Torah in the book of Leviticus the 23^rd chapter God speaks about His Biblical feasts. In the Hebrew the word feasts means: appointments, God appointments. So God is saying “If you will obverse these 7 festivals number 1, “I will meet with you,” but here’s going to happen and the feasts are divided into the spring feasts and the fall feasts. But these feasts are called “Holy Convocations.” In the Hebrew the word convocation means: rehearsal. So the spring feasts were holy rehearsals in which God gave revelation knowledge by His meeting with His people as to the first coming of Jesus. So you don’t have to be a mental giant to know what the fall feasts are, they are holy convocations, or rehearsals where God will meet with you so that you will have understanding in the whole scenario of His return. Now in order to understand this you not only need the scriptures, and the Hebraic roots which were denuded from the faith unfortunately and so few Christians understand these God appointments. In order to really understand this you need revelation by the Spirit of God. Rick about 4 years ago you were at a meeting in Ohio and it was an awesome presence of God, but something really happened to you in the middle of the worship. What happened?

Rick: Well Sid the intimacy in that particular meeting was fantastic. As I was entering in with the Lord in the middle of the… or right at the height of the intimacy with the Lord there appeared in my hands as I had my eyes closed worshiping, there appeared in my hands a sword, a glowing golden sword in a sheath. It was so intense and it was breathtaking for me. The man who was leading the worship was just taken up by the Lord he was just gone in the Spirit. He began to say “The Lord is here He’s walking the aisles. Reach out and touch the Lord for whatever you need. He’s here for you right now.” I was filled with love of the Lord at that point and so content I just smiled inside myself and said “Lord You’re all I need.” At that point I was just trying to say in my heart “Lord this is the best thing You’ve ever let me experience with You.” But what came out when I tried to say that was that “This isn’t good enough.” I couldn’t believe what had come out of my mouth. Then I was shaken, I said “Lord please what I wanted to say was ‘Put this sword in my hand.’” But again what came out of my mouth was “Please put this sword in my mouth.” When that sentence came out I was so overwhelmed by the Spirit that I was gone for the rest of that meeting. What came out of that was, I was at the point in the development of this revelation that we’re talking about that it was just about I thought at that point ready to go. The Lord was using this experience to say to me “To hold on to this till He gave me the okay to run with this because this is an impactful revelation and the timing is so important.” That is what He was telling me with that experience.

Sid: Well the book is out now so did He give you permission, obviously He did?

Rick: Yes He did. A year ago January He gave me permission and He had shown me who to contact as far as publishing the book. It all started and it was an unlikely sequence of events in another meeting. My wife had just been healed of cancer and we were rejoicing in that and right in the midst of all of that is when the Lord spoke and gave me the freedom to go ahead and release this information.

Sid: Now for our Mishpocha right now that perhaps are not familiar to appreciate the majesty of what God has done Mishpocha. You have to see what he did with the spring feasts and then we’ll go into the fall feasts which is what’s going to happen in the future. So show us how these spring feasts were actually shadows of the first coming of the Messiah. I have to imagine when we looked at these Biblical feasts, Jewish people thousands of years ago before Jesus came and died and rose from the dead, we still didn’t quite understand it but we had clues into His first coming. Looking backwards it’s really obvious. So tell me about these feasts, these spring feasts.

Rick: Okay at the beginning is Passover. Passover is made up of 3 specific feasts in themselves. It’s Passover, then Unleavened Bread, and then Firsts Fruits. The way that that works is Passover was when the Lamb of God was slain in Egypt when God was taking the Jews out of the captivity in Egypt and taking them out on that night that the spotless lamb was slain. The blood from that lamb was put over the doorposts to save from the death angel, that was the night of Passover. Then that is representative of the birth of the church. Now on this to show the shadows the Lord used before this even happened the Lord said that “That lamb which represented Jesus was to be spotless,” just as Jesus was sinless, and the Lord would be killed on the 14^th of the month just as Jesus was. The lamb was to be male, the lamb was to be killed at twilight, there are many other shadows like that Jesus fulfilled, that Jesus the man came as the lamb sacrifice of God to fulfill this shadow. On Passover when the blood of the lamb was put across the doorposts when the judgment of God came to pass through Egypt to kill the firstborn it passed over all of God’s people, that’s where the name Passover comes from. The judgment of God passed over and that blood of the lamb is why it passed over. That’s why the blood of the lamb today is so important to those who have made Jesus their Lord because the death angel passes by us and the Lord we are His through the blood we are protected that way. Now the second day of these feasts days of these feasts days was the feast of unleavened bread. That Unleavened Bread, the leaven represented sin and this is a picture of repentance, it’s a sign the Lord told the people to get all leaven out of their homes for 7 days. This is a picture of the importance that God puts on repentance from sin. The 3^rd feast day is the feasts day of First Fruits. Now these 3 together in the timing that will eventually evolved that Jesus came and was crucified on Passover, He was buried on Unleavened Bread, and He was raised from the dead on First Fruits. There are many scriptures in the Old and New Testament relating back pointing to Jesus being the Passover lamb. Not only was raised on First Fruits but we’re told He is the First Fruits. That is our first section of the feasts, and this is the picture taken together at these feasts is the picture of the Lords first coming.

Sid: And of course just going in sequence the next feast is Shavuot, or Pentecost, and most of us know what that was a shadow for.

Rick: That was the shadow of the empowerment of the church. At Passover Jesus came with the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Then at Pentecost, 50 days after First Fruits, Jesus came to baptize with the Holy Spirit to empower the church. So these 2 together represent the birth of the church, then the empowerment of the church to the will of the Lord.

Sid: I’m curious did you first start getting clues into what’s going to happen in the future with these fall feasts when you took a look at what a Jewish wedding is like and how that changes the thinking for the last days?

Rick: That’s exactly how it started. The Lord began to show me different things over a period of a couple of years. Different articles I would read, different things I would read in scripture, now all of a sudden the Lord just… there was one major verse in Deuteronomy 22 that stood out to me. What this shows is such a difference in the wedding that we in the West see today, and for what the Bible calls wedding. The main difference in the 2 weddings is that in a Biblical wedding when the Bridegroom would come to take away His bride and take her back for the wedding, there was a time an inspection of purity. There was a time when the bridegroom would come in the middle of the night and he would whisk away his bride, take her back to the bridal chamber that he had prepared for her that his father had given him the okay to go get his bride and come with his best man and take back his bride. Then before the wedding supper celebration would start the marriage would be consummated. If there was no signs of virginity, the bleeding on the sheet, then the wedding would be called off that bride would be stoned because she would be accused of having given her virginity and her purity to another. So that’s the exact opposite as Western weddings where we come and we have the celebration then they go away on their honeymoon. This is reversed…

Sid: And you know what, because of this reversal every Jewish person reading the scriptures knew exactly what God was talking about because He was quoting customs and tying it in with future events. However, if we don’t know that the customs are actually reversed in Biblical days as they are today no wonder we got so confused. You know we’re out of time.