SID: Ken, you said the devil is always after our seed. What do you mean by that?

 

KEN: Well I was in a church service not too long ago and the pastor preached on kids, and the pastor came up and talked about we’re going to give an offering and if you have children away from God, I want to encourage you to give a special seed because this is family, we’re going to call this family seed for your children. And he said, “Don’t let the devil steal your seed. If he speaks something to you to give, do it because the devil wants your seed.” And that stuck with me and I thought, the devil is after the seed. The devil is always after the seed. Then I thought, what is our most important seed? Of course, financially we must have money to make it, but our most important seed is not our money, because we can’t take that with us. It’s not your house or your career. Our most important seed is our children. That’s the one thing you can take to Heaven with you is your children. And so seed must be invested in, must be planted. Then it must be nurtured as it grows up, so there is no greater picture in the Bible of the importance of training our children properly than the principle of the seed.

 

SID: Now you say there’s a supernatural psalm that literally can help devil-proof our home. Tell me about that, Psalm 127.

 

KEN: Psalm 127, five verses that begins, “Except the Lord build the house they labor in vain that build it. Except the Lord keep the city, the watchmen wakes but in vain.” Well the Jewish people teach us that the builder is the husband, the father, and the watcher is the wife, the woman, which the man is the one that leads. He’s the leader of the family, but the woman is the watcher or has all these different avenues that they see things. And so God has designed that partnership to then produce children. And then it says that, “Our children are like arrows in the hand of a mighty man.” So what is an arrow? An arrow is a weapon, but it’s not a weapon unless it’s prepared properly and then unless it’s put into the bow and aimed, and then it’s fired. So our children, we’re preparing them. We’re making sure they’re a straight arrow. Their shaft is straight. We’re making sure their arrowhead is sharp. We’re putting the Word of God in them, and then there comes the day that your children, you love them, but they leave you, and that’s God plan. The entire time they’re growing up we’re preparing them for leaving. They begin to leave the day that they’re born.

 

SID: So you actually see this as a supernatural blueprint to devil-proof our home.

 

KEN: Absolutely.

 

SID: Is it possible to keep our children from what culture is doing to them?

 

KEN: Yes there is. Ideally, we do this all the time that they’re growing up. We begin when they’re young. Take this very seriously. Live this out in front of them. The greatest thing our children, the greatest way they’re going to learn how to stand against the culture and the enemy of our time is for us as mom and dad, or if you’re a single parent you can still do this, model this for them.

 

SID: Tell me about the supernatural blessing of a family serving God.

 

KEN: Well Sid, we find it in Deuteronomy, in Deuteronomy, Chapter 6, in what the Jews call the Shema, where it talks about you’re to serve, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and then we’re supposed to diligently put this in our children, talking about this when we rise up and we lie down, when we walk by the Way. This is talking about a commitment to train our children in the Word of God. And then when we do that, it goes on to say, “And God will give you houses that you didn’t build.” He’ll give you cities that you didn’t build. He’ll give you olive trees, olive vineyards and trees that you didn’t plant. So this is supernatural. This is committing to God to love. It’s really very simple. Love God. Put the love of God in your kids and then the blessing of God comes on you to do something that you couldn’t do on your own.

 

SID: Okay. The people watching us right now, what they’re saying is that sounds wonderful, but it’s too late for me. They need some supernatural hope for their children, some supernatural hope for their marriage. I want you to pray for them right now.

 

KEN: I’ve got that hope for you. And here it is, Acts 16:31, this promise in the New Testament where Paul says, “If you’ll believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you’ll be saved.” Now that is awesome. But it goes further than that. He says, “You’ll be saved and your house.” That means your family. So what we’re saying is you can begin today. In fact, this prayer will release a brand new anointing in your life and in your family to bring this to pass. Why? Because your prayers are powerful. They reach out. They can cause events to begin to happen in the lives of your children, your relatives. We’re going to pray right now. We’re going to stand on Acts 16:31. We’re going to believe that God is going to begin to move in your family. So Heavenly Father, I ask you right now in Jesus’ name for these people that are watching for their families, we pray that the anointing of God, the angels of God, may people come into their path that will preach to them the wonderful Gospel that they will hear. Lord, begin to work in these families. And we claim their family members, their blood family members to be saved, to be touched by the power of God. We command the devil to take his hands off them and we speak this and declare it to be done in Jesus’ name.

 

SID: And I’m going to tell some of you this. Do you remember how Trudi would reach over and put her hand on Ken while he’s sleeping, and pray in tongues? I tell you, the Word of God says, in Exodus 12, “A lamb for a house, a lamb for a family.” You and your house will be saved.

SID: You know, Ken, most people don’t realize what God is up to. God wants a family. What does he mean by that?

 

KEN: Well you think about how the earth was created. God made a man and God later made a woman, and so a marriage starts the entire Bible. So we have the Bible beginning with a marriage, and then at the end of the Bible, we see that there’s an event called the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, which is a seven-year celebration in Heaven with Jesus and the Church where we enjoy seeing, meeting him face to face, other people, and we eat for seven years, which is awesome. So the Bible begins with a marriage and it ends with a marriage, and then the story is about this family that is very dysfunctional, but God continues to love them and work with them until he can work redemption’s plan.

 

SID: Okay. God wants a family. The devil wants the opposite of what God wants. Most marriages don’t know that in addition to their own differences there is a devil. Ken, what are the differences between men and women, briefly?

 

KEN: Well, men are headliners. We like the facts. We were created by God to be leaders. And so we just want to blow through life, but then women are more detailers. Women get into the details of life. They think more out of both sides of the brain, whereas men are more think out of the one side, which is a logical side. Women see things that men don’t. The Bible said when Adam was in the garden alone, it’s not good that this man is alone, so I’m going to give him a help mate, “help mate”, it says in King James.

 

SID: You know, in most marriages the differences cause a war rather than realizing by pulling the two together they’re better than any individual. As a matter of fact, why do you believe the devil hates marriage so much? I mean, it’s coming out more so today than ever before in history.

 

KEN: Right. It’s because marriage is designed to be the foundation of everything in life. And of course, the devil wants to get to the foundation. In fact, the scripture says in Psalm 11, “If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” That’s talking about righteous people through Jesus.

 

SID: Is there any family, say children that are totally rebellious, husbands that are at war with their wives, not realizing the war is coming from the invisible world? Yes, there are these differences, but there really is a devil and he’s really fighting you. And rather than falling over and playing dead, you’re saying there’s something that can be done about it. Is there such a thing as a hopeless marriage, a hopeless relationship with children?

 

KEN: No, I don’t believe that. I believe if you will apply the principles of God, know what the Word says and then grit your teeth sometimes to apply those principles and understand that a husband’s greatest gift to his wife is to love and care for her.

 

SID: What does it mean to you, to you, Trudi, when your husband loves you unconditionally?

 

TRUDI: It brings security. It brings hope, stability. And you know, when your husband is loving you it’s easy to submit to that because there’s no fear there. You’re not afraid you’re going to get hurt or trampled on, or mistreated because that’s not the behavior that Jesus would treat the church like. So when you see how he treats the church and that he sacrificed and loved it, and gave his life for it, when a husband has that attitude about his wife and she knows that, she will jump off a cliff with him because she knows then that the two of them together are going to create something that’s very strong and loving, and it produces that strong foundation.

 

KEN: In fact, the word “love”, love is not just a romantic thing, although it’s part of it, but the word “love” in the Hebrew language actually means I will give.

 

SID: Now you tell me, Ken, about the spiritual security system. What is that?

 

KEN: Well it’s like, I liken it this way. Our house has a security system that we arm and when we arm it, it protects the perimeters. But if I don’t arm the security system, which is my job, I have to arm it, I have to make sure that I do my part, then it sets up boundaries around my house that can’t be penetrated. Well God has designed his Word to be like that. When we learn how to act on his Word in our family, when we learn how to in our marriage give and take, when we learn how to. the importance of protecting our kids and watching over them and setting perimeters in their life, we are setting up a security system around our family that the enemy will try to penetrate, and it’s an ongoing, daily thing that we must do and be proactive with.

 

SID: What is the first thing someone should do to devil-proof their home?

 

KEN: Well the first thing is you don’t cooperate with him. You don’t give him permission.

 

SID: No one is going to give him permission.

 

KEN: We give him permission when we don’t act on the Word of God, when we don’t do what the Bible says to do.

 

SID: It’s time to stop rolling over, playing dead, giving up. There is hope and I want to inject that to you supernaturally. When we come back, I want you to understand there’s even a psalm that gives you the full plan to devil-proof your marriage. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is called affectionately the igniter of faith because if you’ve got oil, the oil of the Holy Spirit, he’s got fire. Are you ready for the fire? This just blows me out of the water. David, you had 25 blind people and 24 got healed. They actually could see. Tell me about that.

DAVID: Absolutely. We were out there in the middle of the jungle. I’m talking two flights, a 24-hour train, a five-hour car ride and we finally get to our destination. But I was out there preaching at the village and the Spirit just spoke to me as were on the stage. When we’re on the stage we normally line people up, men on one side, women on one side and the kids in the middle, and we just lay hands on them real quick, and in literally ten minutes we can pray for a thousand people with the ministers real quick. We normally do that every time we go out. But that night I just looked at the crowd and said, no, God is doing something different. It’s what I call a creative miracle. I asked everybody that was blind to come forward. Well I did not know that there were 25 blind people. I was thinking one or two, or three. And then they start coming out in droves, and I’m like okay. I go, Lord, I put you on a spot. I know if I put God on the spot that God is going to answer. So I went over there and told them to hold the line up, but when they lined up I told all the ministers not to lay hands on them. We’re just going to walk by them. We walked by them and I went back to the stage, and I said, okay, one, two, three, open your eyes. I looked and nothing happened. Translator, count one, two, three. They don’t understand me. And we counted to one, two, three, 24 eyes opened instantly. Some of them were born with this. Some of them had injuries.

SID: Okay. You beg the question. What about the one person that didn’t get their sight? That must have been—

DAVID: You know, it’s crazy. One person that didn’t get their sight was an evangelist. She preached the Gospel. All my ministers jumped off the stage and they’re like a football trying to recover a fumble. I’m like, no, no, everybody back up. Back up. We got to talk to her. We got to see what’s her problem. There’s a problem in her thinking. A lot of times our faith in miracles don’t happen because there’s a problem in our thinking. So I talked to her and she thought that God gave this to her as a gift. And I’m like, God doesn’t give anyone a gift wrapped up that says disease, sickness, death. This is not God’s will for you. And I explained to her that in the Exodus the Bible says if we follow him that he will remove these diseases from us because he’s the God that healeth thee.

SID: So she didn’t receive it. That was the problem.

DAVID: No, she did not receive it.

SID: Now how in the world, according to my notes, you started out, listen to this, he started out as a gigantic tumor. What do you mean?

DAVID: My mother was so nervous and stuff that she got a report from the doctor. The doctor told her that she had a tumor and they were going to have to operate on her, and she decided she was going to go visit her pastor to pray for her. She was having a tent revival. She went into that tent revival. When she prayed over her she said that is no longer a tumor. That is a baby boy and his name will be David, and he will preach the Gospel. He will be an evangelist for the Lord, and he will preach the Gospel and have an anointing and healing, and soul winning, and he is the apple of God’s eye.

SID: And what happened to the tumor?

DAVID: Well my mom had me a few months later. I don’t know how long the term was, but she had me a few months later. The tumor was gone.

SID: I’ve heard of ridiculous faith and ridiculous miracles. He is asleep in a truck and someone gets healed. Tell me briefly about that.

DAVID: Oh absolutely. We did a shortcut to get to a stage area, a place that we needed to go for some new staging we were putting up for a crusade. And we’re cutting through this village, and we weren’t even supposed to go there, but the driver knew a quicker route. I was asleep because I figure a good hour’s nap would be good. Well I wake up and I tell the driver in Hindu to stop and he stops. And I jump out and walk across this busy little village, and there’s this man that’s crippled. You could see his body is bent in all different parts, and go over there to pray for him, and I asked him if he believed that he could be healed and how long was he there. Well he said he’s been there for about 20-plus years. And I go, rise up and walk, and I just literally picked him up, pulled him and his body snaps back into the correct positions that it was supposed to be. And he got out of his bed, and he just gave me a hug and walked off. And I jumped back in the jeep and went back to sleep.

SID: You know what I find interesting. We have our plans. God has his plans. Tell me about a 19-year-old kid that wanted to be a professional soccer player.

DAVID: I was young and playing soccer since I was as far as I could remember, and I was supposed to be traveling to Germany to go play in a school and then eventually get into the pros. And one day after working, getting the money together to go out there, I just noticed that my cat and my dog were literally fighting, were just laying in front of this door, to the bathroom door. And I’m like, what is wrong with you all two? What did you all do? So I go over there to push them away from the door to see what’s in there, but when I get there I hear the presence of God. And I know the presence of the Lord, and I just humbly opened the door and I just walked in, and I said, “Lord,” and that’s when on the mirrors itself it showed my life on the left side. It showed all the things that I would accomplish as a soccer player, all the good things, all the life I would have. But inside my heart I was miserable. Even though I had the accolades and had all the things there’s nothing wrong with that kind of life, but it wasn’t for me. God destined me for something else. So I was looking at that and I looked at the other side of the mirror. It was kind of like halfway like literally a video playing. On this side I see myself moving in great anointing. I see people being delivered. I see healings and miracles, as far as you can see in the mirror just souls coming to the Lord. And I looked at that. But then I looked and my heart was happy. It was excited. It was doing its purpose. But then I just looked at the cost that it would take to get there, and I was like, but I knew at that time God was giving me a decision. And I put my hand on the mirror that would show the preaching and the evangelism. I never played again.

SID: David, I’m going to tell you something. I’m so glad you didn’t because those, I’m a reporter of the supernatural and there is a flow of the Spirit of God. The minute you started talking about the Spirit of God it was like a river and I’m expecting such miracles. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

SID: So Hakeem was late for work and he is rushing to get to work, and not thinking that much about God, but God speaks to him. What does he say?

HAKEEM: Yes. I was just on my way to work. My whole priority was really to just be on time. And so I was trying to get breakfast and I was going through my regular day, and the Lord interrupted my day. He said, “Son, do you want to know what Heaven declares over you today?” He wanted to give me a blueprint of my day, not just go casually, not be focused on just getting to work. But he wanted me to have a heavenly alignment to focus on what he desires for my day. And so when he said that to me, I’m like, “Well Lord, you surely picked a fine time to talk and so you’re going to make me late.” So he interrupted my time. But it was so important because now he wanted me to understand that I can command my day, that I can begin to cause things to shift and to change by what I speak. There is a right now word that God wants to release. There is a word in us that he wants us to release and understand. And so he said, “Do you want to know what Heaven has declared over you?” Heaven has already declared some things already, but we have to align, Sid, with the Word of God and bring Heaven to Earth, and we can bring it to Earth by what we speak prophetically. That is the power of the spoken word. God has given us purpose. He’s given us understanding and destiny, but he allows us to discover it once we discover it what his blueprint is.

SID: What is happening in the invisible world when you speak God’s Word? You talk about it being hovering over us. Explain.

HAKEEM: Right. Even as the Word, even as God’s spirit hovered over the deep in Genesis, Chapter 1, the deep of the waters, and so his Spirit, to me, by revelation is he’s hovering over us. Even the Bible says in Jeremiah that, “He watches over his Word to see that it is performed.” There is words that  are hovering over people. There is prophetic destinies that are hovering over people. There are promises of the Lord in Heaven that are hovering over people. And so God had likened it as his Word hovering over us. He watches over it just like an eagle or a mother hen that broods over her eggs and see it hatched, see it come to pass, see it to come to manifestation. That’s what God’s Word does. He hovers over. He watches over his Word and he protects us. Our prophecy protects us. Our promise and our destiny, even mantles protect us.

SID: Hakeem, pray for the activation of the gifts of prophecy, etc.

HAKEEM: Father, we just thank you right now. You have given us this biblical truth, this biblical principle. Father, it’s not just for the prophets. But Father, you desire for the prophetic senses, our senses to be open. Father, right now, even those who are watching, I just open their spiritual senses. I prophesy and I declare that their senses that have been locked, those gifts that have been dormant, those things that have kept them bound, I unlock it right now by the Spirit of God. I prophesy to those gifts and those senses that are there. Father, it is not just for the prophet, but you’re raising up a prophetic generation. You’re raising up a prophetic people. Father, these are the days where you’re pouring out your Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy. I release right now, let there be such prophetic will that will be activated in your people. Let their eyes be open. Let their ears be open. Let their taste be open. Let their sight be open. Let their sense of touch be open. You have given us natural senses. Father, I release right now that their spiritual senses will be open. I activate it. I unlock it right now. Those who are listening, you will feel the presence of God. His Spirit is coming upon you, the Spirit of prophecy is coming upon you right now in a new way. Just receive it. It is your inheritance. It is the desire of the Father to give you the Kingdom. And so this is the hour that you will begin to tap into a dimension that you have never known before. Get ready, for your spiritual senses have been open. You’re going to prophesy. You’re going to speak for God because you were born to speak for him.

SID: Prophecy is the doorway to the supernatural. Signs and wonders are God’s method of reaching those that don’t know the Messiah. It’s so easy. I was eating with Hakeem last night and he reads the waitress’ mail, tells her things. She starts crying right in the restaurant, telling her about the trauma she just went through, telling her she’s moving to another state. I mean, very specific things. And then I just said a simple prayer of salvation with her. It was easy. Prophecy makes the Kingdom of God demonstrate it. Easy. You were born to prophesy.

 

SID: So God spoke to you there and said you weren’t called to be hid behind bars, you were called to be a prophet.

HAKEEM: What happened was once I made the decision and I said, yes Lord, I will answer the call, I will obey, I was there for about 12 hours. Once I made that decision then maybe like ten minutes later they released me.

SID: Okay. You’re out of prison, but there was a visible difference in you from before that happened. Describe that.

HAKEEM: Yes. Once I was released from jail I would say maybe a week later I will be coming out of a restaurant or I will come out of a store and people, a stranger, will come up to me and say, “There’s something on you. Who are you? I see something different about you and what is that?” Now I didn’t even know what was on me. But because they saw something different they began to inquire. And so they asked me, “Do you minister? Do you preach?” And I, so they said, “Well I want you to come preach, I want you to come to my church and preach. I want to hear what God has to say through you.”

SID: Okay. So you know that God has called you to prophesy. They could see something on him. He didn’t have a sign. They saw something. That something was God. So he goes to the church to do what God has equipped him to do to prophesy. But God did more. There’s a blind man there. What happened?

HAKEEM: Well yes. So I know I had a call to the prophetic and then I’m looking, and the door opens up of the church while I’m ready to minister, and I see people coming in with wheelchairs and crutches, and so forth. And so as I begin to preach I saw this guy who was blind and I began to minister to him, and I began to say, “How is your sight?” He said he couldn’t see. And so I began to pray for him and nothing happened. And so I was discouraged, but I continued to just pray. And then one thing that I did, I said, let me just shift it. Let me just speak the Word. Let me prophesy over him. And I began to prophesy over him and I said, “God is going to open your eyes in seven days.” Seven days later I received a phone call from his pastor that said, “The man that you prophesied over can see.” God opened his eyes supernaturally.

SID: You know what I’m really fascinated by this gifting, all of his spiritual senses are open. He sees words over people’s head. Tell me about one person with cancer.

HAKEEM: Yes. I was in a meeting and I was just ready to wrap up and the Spirit of God gave me a revelation. As I was looking into the crowd I began to see words and one of the words was “cancer”. And so I called out. It was a word of knowledge. I called out, I said, “There is someone in here that has cancer. God wants to heal.” This woman came forward. And so as I began to look at her, I began to just prophesy. I was not going to lay hands on her. I wanted to declare the Word of God. Sid, this is what God gave me. He said if I reveal it, I can heal it. If God reveals it, he can heal it. I am not the miracle worker. I’m just a conduit. And so he revealed this hovering, this word “cancer” and I saw it, the Spirit, call it out. And she came forth, and I saw the condition. But I wanted to speak the word that God will heal you. And I spoke the word and she fell out under the power of God. When she got back up, of course, I couldn’t see that she was healed, but I believed it, because I believed the word that was spoken. I believed what I was declaring over her and I began to command her body to be made whole. Two months later I got a report that she is cancer-free.

SID: Hakeem, there was a man that was a friend of mine who is now in Heaven that was a prophet seer like you, that prayed over you and sharpened your gifts. Tell me a bit about that.

HAKEEM: Yes. Bob Jones was like a papa, father, prophet in my life, and he was a seer prophet. And I went to his home several years ago and what happened was while I was there sitting, conversating with him, he asked me, “Do you want to meet my friend?” And I said, looking around like, who’s your friend? We have people here. And he was referring to Papa. He was referring to the Lord. And I said, sure. And he said, “Then I want to activate you and I want to cause you to be raptured up.” He used the word “rapture”. In my mind, theology, I will think rapture or so forth, I’m thinking right now it’s the end?

SID: That’s it. Bye-bye.

HAKEEM: And so while I’m sitting there, he said, “No, you can be called up, raptured. You can be called up right now.” We are seated in heavenly places right now with Christ. And so he wanted to activate that. And so I said, sure. And he said, “I am going to activate you.” And so he told me to close my eyes. I closed my eyes and he said, “Take a deep breath.” I took a deep breath and he said, “What do you feel? What do you see?” And I began to tell him what I feel. I said, “I feel these wings.” He said, “These are the angels.” And while I was feeling these supernatural expressions, feelings, I bumped into a vision. God opened my eyes and I began to see in the heavenly realm. God began to show me this tree. This tree had life flowing. It was green, but it was moving. Then I saw these riverbeds. They were like streams, a river. And then I literally saw these eyes, but these eyes that I looked were like eyes of fire. And while I was there I was kind of a little afraid because I’m like, what is it I’m experiencing? I’m in Bob Jones’ living room, but I’m in heavenly places right now. And so while I’m seeing these eyes I’m feeling the peace and the love, this liquid love that I felt surround me. And then I heard this sound, this like a trumpet, and I came out of the vision. And from that day my prophetic senses were open. Bob Jones was used, instrumental, to activate the seer realm in my life.

SID: I’m going to ask Hakeem to, freely you receive, freely you give, to freely pray in the Messiah’s name that these gifts will be activated in you, when we come back. Be right back.

We now return to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Tell me some of the faith killers that stop us from being naturally supernatural.

LAURA: You know, what happens when you pray for someone to be healed and they’re not, and then months later, you get a call at 2:00 in the afternoon saying, someone has had a horrible wreck, will you come do to the hospital with me and pray. And there’s something inside of you that says, it didn’t work last time, why is it going to work this time. But what you have to do is you have to step back and look at what Scripture says about the act of praying over someone, laying hands on someone, and you have to quit preaching your experience and preach the Word. If you do not do that, you will begin to change your theology. Your doctrine will start shifting everywhere. So that’s what I really try to do first is tether people back to the Word. And why are my prayers not answered? Where are my prophesies, you know, the fulfillment to my prophesies? All of these things, they’re going to get up every day and they’re going to read a devotional that deals with what I call these 30 universal faith toxins. But we start there with the Word and with their spirit and then turn our attention to their emotions. And there are prayers that they pray to deal with the residues of that faith toxin. Think about this.

SID: Let’s take all the traumas that we’ve had.

LAURA: Exactly.

SID: The rejection we’ve had, failures that we’ve had.

LAURA: Grief, anger.

SID: They all take a toll on us.

LAURA: They do.

SID: How do we deal with it?

LAURA: Well you have to really, you have to confront those Goliaths. You have to admit, I was wounded walking through that. When my church split in two or when my church died, it hurt me. It wounded me. How am I going to deal with that grief? I have a lot of people to forgive, you see. So yes, we pray these healing prayers in there that deal with the emotional residues of each faith toxin and then turn our attention to the correlating body detox. So I’m telling you, by the end of the 30 days, the devil has no place left in you that he can throw a hook and keep you back from your future. So you can’t just stuff and stuff, and stuff things that happen. You have to confront them and remove them from your life.

SID: I want you to lead us in one prayer to get rid of some of these toxins.

LAURA: I would love to. All right. Heavenly Father, I thank you right now that you have created us body, mind and spirit. First of all, we just repent for not acknowledging that. On any level, any place where you have not been whole, where you have ignored your body, just tell the Lord right now, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Any place where you have ignored your emotions and not allowed yourself to be real, just tell him, I’m sorry, no more. And any place in your spirit where you have not made him Lord, where you have maybe not even awakened to the Holy Spirit to fill you up, just tell him, Lord, I’m sorry. And now, right now receive a fresh impartation in all three. And I just declare over you that no weapon that has formed against you will prosper. Not a single one. You are going to come out of this fire not even smelling like smoke. And now I pray that it would be a testimony to God that he would be famous because of the testimony in your life. You have struggled and you have been through hardship. But guess what, you’re still standing. You’re still alive. So put praise in your mouth. Thank God for what he’s doing because he can make a message out of your mess, a testimony out of your test and a triumph out of every trial you’ve been through. Just tell him, I receive a new anointing right now, Lord. I receive healing for my body, I receive healing for my mind and I receive healing for my spirit. Make me whole. Amen. Now it’s done.

SID: God wants you to have a new beginning. There is the natural and there is the supernatural, and you are a three part being, just as God is a three-part being. If you don’t, you know, a wise man once said, the definition of insanity, keep doing things the same way and expect different results.

LAURA: That’s right.

SID: Well we Jewish people have a word for it. It’s meshuga. That means crazy. Make sure Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. Tell him you’re sorry for your sins. Believe that his blood wiped away your sins and paid everything for your sins. Then ask him to live inside of you and believe his grace, his enabling power will allow you to overcome every problem in your life in Jesus’ name. Do it right now.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

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SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. My guest is the son of one of the greatest healing evangelists in history. He’s the son of Oral Roberts. His name is Richard Roberts. But this is what you don’t know. Five months ago he was activated to a new level of healing. I am expecting the greatest outpouring of miracles we have ever had. We’re ready for a Holy Spirit explosion.

We now return to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Now I read the statistic that you gave me. The U.S. Center for Disease Control says there are 140 toxic chemicals that cause 70 percent of chronic diseases. By the way, being a minister, why in the world did you go out and get that certificate as a nutritionist? Why?

LAURA: Because I saw that we were not whole. The army of God was not whole. We were treating one-third or two-thirds of ourselves and the enemy had a way in. He had a way in to wiggle through and cause chaos in our lives. We are not even Christian if we don’t have faith because it took faith to become a Christian. So that’s why the enemy comes after our faith. So statistics like that or also even Harvard University, Harvard Medical Center, they came out with a study that said, it was called “The Gut Brain Connection”, and that connection showed that there is such a link in between your brain and what happens in your digestive track. Think about what happens when you have stage fright. You’re nervous up here and your tummy gets upset or you have a gut reaction. They found that they were so connected they should be considered one body system. So what that tells me is that what you eat affects what you think. And the Bible is very clear about what you think affects your faith. So I’m proposing that what you eat can indirectly affect your faith.

SID: I’ve actually never heard that before. But what she’s saying is food can affect your faith and it’s actually been scientifically proven. How about fasting? What happens when we fast? How does that help us?

LAURA: That is proof that food affects your spirit. When you fast, you are removing the thing that, or many things, that is causing you to grow in your flesh instead of in your spirit. How did sin enter the world in the Garden of Eden? Eve baked that apple pie or whatever it was.

SID: That’s not what happened.

LAURA: I know. Whatever it was, it was through her appetite. And Esau sold his birthright for a pot of stew. Satan even tempted Jesus and said, “Turn these stones into bread.” So appetite is so usable by God. If you will have appetites up for him and if you will satisfy your natural appetite with the things that he shows you, that is supernatural.

SID: Now tell me a few things you might have done to get the toxins out of your body.

LAURA: Well the program that I put people on, the 30-day program, remember I told you about those five categories that the prayer requests fell into, I break people’s 30 days down into five, those five categories of their lives, every prayer that they pray. And each one has six days. We spend six days on your relationships, six days on your finances. There’s a devotional for each day. You want to go in and say, Lord, what happened to my marriage? What happened? Why can’t I get ahead? Why can’t I get healed? Why can’t I get promoted? Whatever. And then each of those six days, we detox three body systems, spending two days on each. And I found—

SID: Take one.

LAURA: Okay. This is a perfect example. When we’re studying relationships, we are spending six days digging deeply into every relationship around you, above you, beneath you, and it just so happens that the color vegetable that is very good for the body system we’re detoxing that week, which is the heart, your cardiovascular system, your circulatory system, that particular week we’re going to eat a lot of reds. Isn’t that easy to remember? Reds in the heart. So it contains a little something called lycopene. And everybody is trying to put it in a pill form now. Take your lycopene pill. I think just reach for some strawberries or some red grapes, or some red peppers. Easier, cheaper, much better for the body.

SID: I was asking you, actually yesterday, it just seemed to me that just a few days isn’t going to be long enough to detox a liver, a heart.

LAURA: Right. But here’s the issue. God has already given us filters in our bodies. Our lungs filter, our kidneys, our liver, even our skin, it has a million little mouths on it. All right. So we already have filters. But we spend two days on each of those filters cleaning them out so that they can do their job because God has already designed our body to do the job for us. But many people, if I can say, get their filter gets dirty, and eventually what happens is, because their bodies are worn down, it does affect their faith. There is no questioning, no getting around it. If you feel ill in your body you are going to have a more difficult time approaching your Christian walk with fervor, with confidence, with faith. So it is so connected. We cannot segregate them. And I get very, can you tell I’m very passionate about this message.

SID: Now there’s a fringe benefit, by the way, because people that she’s taught this course for, they lose a lot of weight. Give me an example of one person.

LAURA: Well I’m just going to tell you. I have one person who’s very close to me and he said, okay, well I’ll do it. So he goes on this faith detox and he’s losing weight immediately, like five pounds, 10 pounds. He loses, in the course of the 30 days, he loses 22 pounds and he is so transformed by it, body, mind and spirit that he says, “I think I’m just going to continue eating this way.” So he does and now a week out, he’s now up to 25 pounds that he’s lost. It’s not water loss and it is not protein loss. You eat four to five times a day, eat or drink something four to five times a day. You’re not going to go hungry and nothing tastes like grass. You have my word. But it’s just amazing to me to hear that story along with other stories from men and women. And these are not just people who have tons of weight to lose. But I am hearing from people all over the United States, all over the world, 17 pounds in 17 days, four pounds in the first five days. And they’ll say the first four days was a real kicker, but now I have more energy and more focus, and my body is fueled with the right things.

SID: You know, when we come back I want to find some simple supernatural ways to detox our faith. Be right back.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What is the condition of your faith? Your faith today is based on your experiences from the past. Too many people have not seen the results they’re looking for and as a result have lowered their expectations. Too many people, because of not seeing the results they expected, have actually changed their theology. It’s time for a faith detox. It’s time, because Jesus is getting ready to return, it’s absolutely time for a 30-day adventure in the supernatural of God to be normal, normal as defined by the Bible. You know, there are invisible toxins that are affecting people’s faith. For instance, Laura, I remember when I was a brand new believer I went to a Kenneth Hagin meeting and he taught about how to stand on the Word of God. I got home and a loved one developed cancer.

LAURA: Right.

SID: And I had not developed my understanding of the Word of God, and as a result, I was devastated.

LAURA: Right.

SID: We really have an enemy that is trying to undermine the Word of God. Now here you are a pastor’s wife. You’ve got six children.

LAURA: I do.

SID: And you’ve seen all sorts of miracles. But then it happens to you.

LAURA: Right.

SID: Height of your life. What happened?

LAURA: Yes. Well the enemy has always tried to use health issues with me. But four years ago my king size life really caught up with me. You can’t forget the [       ] children. You know, the big family, and yes, my husband and I pastored this church. There’s my writing. I’m involved in so many things and that’s fine. Many people love what they do. But I was giving myself only four to five hours sleep a night. And I went to the doctor for something totally unrelated and a test came back showing that I was on the brink of adrenal failure. Basically it is stage 4 is when all of your organs shut down. They’re no longer being fueled by your adrenalin and your cortisol. Well I was in stage 3, so I was told make changes or die. So I went on total bed rest and then I was told 18 to 24 months it would take to turn around, really wake up all of my organs. And thanks to using food as medicine, and I still believe I received a miracle, because in six months I was the picture of health.

SID: And you know what’s so amazing? You can see she’s a very vital type of person. But you say you have more vitality now than you had when you were in high school.

LAURA: Yes, I really do. And I believe in the supernatural power of God, the regeneration of our youth. But we have to give God something to work with. I believe in miracles, but I’m telling you, Sid, at the church where we pastor in Nashville, Eastgate, I have always noticed that when people come to the altar for prayer they want a miracle, but they don’t want to steward it afterwards. And that really began to sadden my heart, and so I noticed that the people who came to the altar, their prayers all fell into one of five categories. It was either for their health, their finances, their relationships, the social issues going on in the world around them or their own personal identity. And so I began to work with people in those five areas getting their faith bolstered in those areas, but doing it with a three-pronged approach: body, mind and spirit.

SID: It’s, you know, most Christians they recognize they have to do something about their emotions, their hurts.

LAURA: Yes, some do, yes.

SID: They might realize it, but most don’t do it.

LAURA: Right.

SID: But most Christians, the last thing they think about is their body.

LAURA: It’s so sad. It’s taking so many people out. We are putting ammunition in the enemy’s gun and he would love nothing more than to take out the army of God. So yes, we’ve done a great job in the last few decades educating Christians on spiritual warfare and emotional warfare, the battlefield of the mind. But we must, we must as a church rise up and get healthy and give God less crisis intervention, you know, prayers to pray, just so that we can live our everyday lives in a strong place. Live long, live strong.

SID: But when you teach, you teach you have to do this three-prong approach. What, coming into, this is the last of the last days.

LAURA: I believe you’re right, Sid.

SID: We’re going to see the greatest miracles of all that is ever seen. But I believe that Christians, because they read in the Word you’re going to be healed, and that’s true.

LAURA: It is true.

SID: They don’t take care of their body as much as, say, non-believers.

LAURA: Well and First Thessalonians 5:23 says that, “You will be kept blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus, body, mind and spirit.” So we can receive some blame for some of the things that we do. I’ve had people come and ask for prayer for digestive issues, and when I asked them what they eat, they say, trash. And I just think, oh Father, there’s a difference in healing and Divine health, and I want both. That’s what I want. I want both. So through that whole experience, I went through, I actually wound up going back to school to become a nutritionist.

SID: How did you get better, actually?

LAURA: Well honestly, I am a farmer’s daughter, so I’ve always had an appreciation for vegetables, but this was so much more. This involved reinventing myself at night really being willing to lay down and waste time in sleep, eight to nine hours sleep every night. And really, I’ve always been a Sabbath keeper, but that became very, very important in terms of totally unplugging once a week. I mean, we turn our phones off. We just pull in as a family. And then also, using specific foods, I call them organ-friendly foods, the vegetables, different colors, are really good for specific organs. And if you learn what those are, you can eat them every day and know that you’re nourishing that particular organ.

SID: I found that fascinating because I’m not that knowledgeable in this area. But you found that just in a couple of days you can detox each organ using the medicine of food. I love that.

LAURA: But that’s really the miracle is that how God has created our bodies to begin with, he has created them that they want to be well. If we will give them the right fuel, they will turn around. Now I keep saying, you know, prevention as in you won’t get sick to begin with. But it also is, I’m living proof there is healing. God gave us things on the third day of creation and all of the seed-bearing plants and our vitamins, and our minerals. I was on some supplements at the time. But nothing had a childproof cap. It was all made for a vegetable or a fruit or what have you, and I am just such a proponent now. I have everyone in my family doing this. If I can turn my Titanic-sized family around, you know, then anybody can do it.

SID: Okay. When we come back, how would you like to find the secrets, the supernatural secrets she found to detox your spirit, your soul and your body so you can be normal. I’ll be right back.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for Jesus, and if this week doesn’t do it for you nothing will because I have on the telephone Ed Hindson who is the assistant chancellor at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. He’s teamed up with Lee Fredrickson a high-tech futurist, and written a book called “Future Wave – End Times Prophecy and The Technology Explosion.” Some of the concepts I have to tell that are brought out in this book I’ve never even speculated on. For instance, I’ve never even heard the word before but it’s called the “Nanotechnology Wave.” What is that?

Ed:  Nanotechnology is the ability now in technology with the microscopes to go right down to the atomic level. They are not only able to deal with the human genes, and we’ll talk about that in a minute, and get down to the level of the tiniest cells of the human body, but they are now talking about getting down to the atomic level. We know how to split an atom and now figuring out that there are ways you can operate on an atom so to speak. You can begin to change the atomic structure of things. Nanotechnology has ultimately as its goal, the ability for example, to change the atomic structure of the paint on your wall. So that…

Sid:  So what advantage is it to change atomic structure of the paint on your wall?

Ed:  Today I want the room blue, tomorrow I want it green, the next day I want it purple. You…

Sid:  You’re going to put all those painters out of business (laughing)?

Ed:  Yeah! You’ll paint it once and you can make it any color you want it.

Sid:  Wow!

Ed:  You can change the environment so that a person can say “I want a Hawaiian atmosphere in my room when I wake up tomorrow morning,” or “I want an Artic atmosphere.”  “It’s a hot July day I want it to appear to be snowy and cold.” The scary part of all that is the difference between that which is real and that which is only artificially real. Artificial reality is going to become a reality, virtual reality becomes reality. The medium becomes the message pretty soon. We’re more intrigued by what we can create around us artificially than we are in dealing with real life itself. I think that has all kinds of prophetic implications for the future. The so called image of the beast, and getting people to worship this thing and respond to it, is it a statue or is it actually some kind of 3 dimensional hologramic image that is projected out of your television set, and they’re talking about this in the future. Way beyond DVD-TV they’re going to have 3-D where you’ll see the movie taking place all around you. You’re actually in it you’re a part of it so to speak. The next thing you know I’ve got the ability to interact with the characters. Pretty soon the ability to interact with this projected image that says “Bow down and worship me or else.”

Sid:  This sounds like the most hideous form of mind control.

Ed:  It’s beyond what most of us can imagine, but the technology is pushing us into that kind of ability. While all these things start off fairly harmless in the beginning it’s entertaining, it’s fun, it’s exciting whatever. Pretty soon it becomes the reality of our lives. So for example with virtual technology right now you can put on the little headset and actually think that you’re driving a race car, or you can be put in a scene where you are skiing down a mountain but you’re not skiing at all. You can have the same thrill the same excitement of being a world class snow skier without ever setting foot outside your house. You could have the thrill and fear of being chased by a wild animal, etcetera. Once that kind of thing gets more developed than it is now to the point that we’re living in unrealistic virtual reality environments all the time. As an entertainment option…

Sid:  I mean we use television as an escape but imagine what would happen with what you’re describing.

Ed:  The ultimate escape and it’s the ultimate escape from responsibility as well.

Sid:  Hmm. Well this nanotechnology can also be used within human health.

Ed:  Exactly if you can begin to change atomic structure as well as molecular structure in people, you can begin to fix things that are genetically wrong in the human body.

Sid:  Give me an example.

Ed:  Well they recently were able to completely map the human genome. So now they can begin to determine… these are the genes that tend to create problems like Alzheimer’s disease. If we can fix these, if we can operate on these, if we can manipulate these and change these chemically and physically so that these genes do not create this particular tendency we can eliminate this disease and that disease etcetera. If we can even get lower than that and begin to change the atomic structure of those genes we could actually get rid of things like skin cancer, we could eliminate eye sight problems and things of that nature. The ability of science in the next 10 – 20 years is going to be so incredible in the area of health technology that we’re going to see an incredible extension of the human life span. The ability to eliminate diseases is going to give the human body a chance to live longer. The question is will it live better?

Sid:  Hmm. Well… I mean I’m thinking in terms of these crazy mad men that Hitler hired to do experiments on humans. Can you picture with the technology we have that if someone comes from a godless society such as a communist society where they’re literally today killing people to get their organs to sell them to make a profit. Can you picture them combing humans and animals and plants, we could have a world of monsters.

Ed:  The challenges for example in cloning are incredible.  While they’ve cloned a sheep or two they also have had to eliminate hundreds and hundreds of them that turned out be all messed up. Two headed and 3 legged, and this that and the other.

Sid:  Hmm.

Ed:  So what happens now with a mindset in our society toward accepting abortion for example you experiment on unborn fetuses and just decide that this necessary for the quality of the life of the human beings that are already alive on the planet. If we’ve got to in vitro, fertilize, babies in a dish in order to get skin from them or parts from them, and DNA from them, and genes from them, and get part of their inner structure as a human being in order to help develop scientifically the options to improve the lives of other human beings, then fine they’re expendable. We’ve already decided as a society they’re already expendable unfortunately. So that mindset then leads to the next, and the next, and the next, and the next thing you know you have as you said bizarre experimentation going on in which somebody decides “Boy if you could just get chlorophyll out of plant into the human body on a permanent basis your teeth would never rot.” You would never have to go to the dentist and this can’t happen and that can’t happen, and you could have this benefit and that benefit. But all of these things lead to a point where the scientific community and medical community have an even greater and greater control of human life.

Sid: Out of curiosity as you worked on the book “Future Wave” especially with the latest technology that’s available today. What was going on inside of you as you were laying out these scenarios in your book?

Ed:  I think a combination on the one hand of tremendous curiosity. “How in the world can they do this and can this really happen?” Then a sobering sense of realization “Yes they already are doing it.” The technology already exists, it’s already happening.  Then the reminder prophetically from the Bible that in a world that is economically, globally, militarily, governmentally controlled ultimately by one man the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the lawless one, the son of perdition. How could one person do this? He could do it through technology. It becomes more and more obvious how the future will eventually play out.  That’s why we use the term in the book “Future Wave.” The wave is like what the Japanese people call a tsunami that rolls up from the ocean floor; sweeps everything in its path. If you could ride the wave it would be a great experience, the problem is that eventually the wave hits the shore eventually it crashes. It sweeps everything in its path. The idea is we experiencing a technological tsunami. It is a wave of technology building so quickly, so fast, so exponentially that you cannot stop it. You have to decide to ride the wave and use it for good, but you also have to realize that that wave of technology is going change about the world in which we live. By the end of the 21^st century if we were still here and the Lord had not come. The world at that point will look so vastly different from the world of the beginning of the 21^st century you’re almost going to think you’re on another planet.

Sid:  I have to believe the wildest science fiction writers in history never came close to what we see revealed in your book “Future Wave.”

Ed:  There have been glimpses at times here there but the technology has developed so quickly that even the science fiction writers can’t keep up with it. We’re going to see movies portraying this. There’s a movie being advertised right now on television where robots are fighting for control of the world. They decide with artificial intelligence that is able to interface with human intelligence that “Hey really we can do a better job than they are. They’re so full of self-deceit and hatred that they’re going to kill each other off anyhow so we should just take over. If necessary we should just eliminate them.” It sounds beyond our imagination but that could become a potential problem in future in the whole area of robotics. When you begin to develop computerized robotic individuals that will soon be able to look like, talk like, act like, function like human beings but they aren’t human beings they’re machines.

Sid:  Will they actually be able to think?

Ed:  Everybody writing in this area, studying this area says “Yes.” That at first it will be a very stilted kind of a thing like you’re talking to a computer with a voice. Eventually the personalization will get greater and greater. Remember Star Wars you had the little chubby robot that beeped and bleeped and what all. Then you had the guy that was made out of gold and he could talk and function and look and act more like a human being. Eventually they are saying they’ll be able to develop things that are like a gigantic doll that talks to you that could actually ride with you in the car. Be your companion, sit at a dinner table eat a meal whatever. In time the humanization of this will get greater and greater until these machines will be able to sense how we are thinking.

Sid:  Oh! We’re out of time.

Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is Ed Hindson. I’m talking to him about his brand new book “Future Wave.” He’s the assistant chancellor at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia and the dean of their new school of prophecy, the Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy. What you do in this book Ed is you’re really a futurist because you team up with a high-tech guy by the name of Lee Fredrickson and your knowledge of prophecy, put the two together and have some sanctified speculation as to what will happen in the future. Would you paint me a picture of what we can expect right here in the United States in the next few years?

Ed:  One of things we did in the book was we interweave what we call “Future Stories,” little novelettes that are scenarios of what the future might be like based on the technology that’s already being developed today, and our knowledge of Bible prophecy and how the two might interface. If we’re looking at the world 5 – 10 – 15 – 20 years from now you’re talking about a world in which there are mini computers small enough to fit on something the size of your watch that you can carry on your wrist. We’re talking about implanting computer chips in the brain, in the body to that control and influence the way we think. The whole function of the human body we’re talking about the development of artificial intelligence, not just in a computer or a computer game, but in robotics so that eventually robots that are being used today like a robotic arm used in surgery by a doctor will develop into an independent robot that can come in in place of a doctor and perform surgery. Not just come in and vacuum your house, although they can do that, but could actually take the place of a companion. Somebody that can talk to you, can interact with you. There are science fiction movies out today about all this kind of thing that ar even popular this summer that the robot can suddenly think for itself.  We’ll have cars that can drive themselves. I have a friend who works for Ford Motor Company he’s been with them over 30 years. In those 30 years he’s spent his entire career working on cars that’ll drive themselves.

Sid:  But what happens at the traffic light? What happens a car jumps a traffic light?

Ed:  Electronically you pull the car out of your garage, you drive down the street and connect to a highway that is an electronic highway, an electronic computerized device in the car locks you in so to speak.  Just like you see these guys in an airplane jet fighter, they lock in and shoot the rocket at the other plane. You lock into the electronic highway and the car drives itself so that the traffic is all controlled from that point on.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity how will we fuel these cars?

Ed:  Most of these cars I think will be fueled by alternative energy sources, either by electric or hydrogen fuels. You’ll see less dependence in the future on gas and oil, and more and more dependent on how electronically this whole grid will work in order to move traffic through cities. Of course it will be done to unlock the traffic patterns and all the rest of that. One of the issues he’s raised to me is it’ll change what people do in a car. You could sleep on the way to work, you could read a book, you could eat a meal, you don’t have to drive the car, the car will drive itself until you get to the end of the electronic highway you disconnect and then pull down a couple of blocks or so into the building where you work. If you’re in a big city you might be electronically be connected all the way to the garage. We’ve got glimpses of this right now. People can get an electronic device put on their windshield if they live in a city like Los Angeles and they’re paying a toll to go on a certain highway, a machine electronically reads that device as you go by you get a bill at the end of the month for how many times you used a toll road. You didn’t have to stop and pay and get out the change. This was all done electronically. Well eventually that kind of thing will change the whole pattern of how we do traffic. The development of instantaneous language translation, you can talk to somebody in another country and hear them in your own language. We have a commercial running this summer on television in which that occurs somebody in Eastern Europe calls a home in America where a guy has an office in his house. His daughter answers the phone, she’s a teenager, they speak in their language, let’s say it’s Russian or Ukrainian, she hears them in English. She tells her dad what the problem is that they’re calling about he doesn’t even go to the phone he tells the girl how to answer. “Oh yeah we sent that package yesterday it’ll be there by latter today. Tell him don’t worry about it I already took care of it.” She speaks in English they hear her in Russian, they’re satisfied the package is on the way. Everybody smiles. The technology makes all of that happen.

Sid:  Now it seems to me we could eliminate crime because if you can control where everyone is and what they’re doing, no one is going to get away with anything.

Ed:  You have an instantaneous report on people. Yeah you can speak, and if somehow if you try to go too fast the thing will electronically record that you broke the speed limit and send you a ticket. There could be a much greater ability to control crime in the future, the problem is you’re controlling every aspect of life. Pretty soon you can’t function without “Big Brother,” so to speak, watching your every move. If they get a computer chip that can be implanted in the brain where you can download information by your thoughts you can access the whole internet mentally. With a verbal command you couldn’t get away with anything. Now the good news is your husband couldn’t be sneaking around looking at pornography without you being able to read his mind so to speak. But at the same time…

Sid:  Wait, wait how would that play out I’m not sure I understand that.

Ed:  Okay how that works is, that you can mentally and verbally download the information. The technology is going to make that…

Sid:  So I won’t have to lug my heavy computer, my 3 pound computer around with me?

Ed:  No you don’t even have to carry around your laptop anymore.

Sid:  Whoa! (Laughing)

Ed:  You can do all of this with the chip. It’s just amazing what they’re developing the ability to be able to do.

Sid:  But you know what I’m thinking is, some people are thinking right now “Oh I won’t be able to get away with anything.” It’ll probably be the best thing that ever happened to you because there’s a day of reckoning with what you think you got away with anyway and God’s got this judgment coming up. Anyway you’re much better being caught before the judgment than after.

Ed:  Actually help in that regard, make you behave because you’re gonna face all of this anyhow. He’s going to judge every other word and thought, and every deed and every action. God’s got a system that’s better computer than we’ll ever develop to play all this back and show you your life anyhow.

Sid:  Well we have… we that know the Lord know the Bible. We have some insight information. How could the anti-Christ system, and you don’t have to be a mental giant to figure this out, tap into this new technology and accomplish the end-time scenarios we read about in the Bible?

Ed:  The challenge with technology is its stuff, its God-given ability to use human intelligence to develop these things. The technology is a moral it can be used for the good to communicate the gospel, or make us behave as we said. It can also be used for evil to communicate the things of Satan. So the challenge is going to be this, I think the anti-Christ controls the world economically, he controls the communication systems, he controls the financial system and the world surrenders its military control to him. You do not have a picture of him in Revelation having to conquer the world initially. Now he ends up in a war trying to control it eventually, but comes on the scene promising to bring peace and prosperity. What greater way than to provide newer and newer elements of technology that enable us to have what we think is a going to be a simpler better life and ends up becoming a complicated mess eventually because once the technology is in place to control your thought processes, your physical processes even your transportation systems you can’t go anywhere, do anything, think anything that somebody else is not going to be to access that information and know exactly where you are, what you’re doing, and what you’re thinking.

Sid:  So it’s really a two-edged sword. Then there’s the other extreme and that is every time there’s something new in technology Christians have been lagging back because they say “It’s the devil,” like with television.  As a result look who controls television today.

Ed:  We fight the changes that are going to come anyhow and then inevitably are going to come. Instead of realizing “I have a wonderful opportunity here to use all of this to the glory of God.” I think we don’t need to be afraid of this stuff, we need to be discerning about it, we need to be wise in our use of it, but I think we need to say “God is giving us the opportunity to use these things to His glory and to His honor. What a wonderful opportunity to communicate the gospel faster, more effectively than ever before.”  We don’t want to hang onto our flannel graph board if we’ve got an overhead projector, and I don’t want to hang onto the overhead projector if I’ve got a PowerPoint computer presentation, and I don’t want to hang onto that if I have the ability eventually of one day to mentally transmit my thoughts to the computer, to the PowerPoint to the presentation on the screen and I don’t even have to sit there and type. It’s incredible what’s going to happen. The challenge is the whole that has been there from the very beginning the depravity of the human heart. The heart is deceitful, and wicked, and self-centered, and will use the best of technology to try to accomplish the worst of things. The change doesn’t need to come in the technology as much as it needs to come in the hearts of people.

Sid:  You know another thought is coming to mind, the Bible talks about meditating on God’s word so the word literally becomes part of us, becomes our flesh. But what if this same information is used to transmit anti-Biblical thoughts into the body, lustful thoughts anything they literally could. You know “As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.” If it starts coming in by being transmitted inside of us, unless someone’s a strong Christian they’re not going to survive.

Ed:  You have two scenarios of the future that were developed in the early 20^th century. Oral Welles 1984 where Big Brother watched and controlled everything, then you had Huxley’s Brave New World in which he said people are going to be driven pleasure, by self-gratification, and by the very thing you’re talking about the ability to control and manipulate the mind and the emotions gives you the ability to control life itself. That’s going to be the greatest challenge of all for believers. The Bible tells us you control yourself by filling your mind with the word of God. Satan is certainly smart enough to realize that if “I can keep the word of God out of people’s minds I can fill their mind with everything but that which God wants them to do.”