Sid:  I have on the telephone I’m so excited because maybe about 6 months ago I read a book by Carlos Annacondia.  The title is “Listen to Me Satan” the subtitle “Exercising Authority Over the Devil in Jesus Name.”  Now the longest standing revival I believe in the history of the world is going on in Argentina it’s been going strong for at least 17 years.  And this Carlos Annacondia is the one attributed to the one that God used to start this.  And I have one the telephone and we will be speaking later this week with Carlos by faith. But I have on the telephone, and see he only speaks Spanish so you can see why it will be a little difficult.  I have on the telephone Rebecca Macchi. Now Rebecca is a close friend of Carlos and she has witnessed with her very eyes some of the greatest miracles of the century.  And because she speaks English I have her on the telephone.  Rebecca so we can got to know you just a little bit your parents were missionaries to South America and you actually began preaching at age 13. But before we went on the air you were telling me about how your father really moved in the supernatural.  He prayed for 2 dead people that came back to life tell me about that.

Rebecca: Yes very exciting. When I was about 7 years old I saw…witnessed my first miracle.  There was a child of a pastor in a village that died and so we went to this village for the funeral and anyway when one knows God and knows the power and the presence of God over a person’s life you can sense that some things going to happen at certain times. And so we went into this church at the village we arrived in. He stood at the door praying for and talking with this pastor and I’m curious you know how children are I went to see the little baby and it was not in the casket they had it couldn’t afford at that point a casket apparently but any way it was on the table wrapped in sheets and you know they had candles and flowers all around the baby and it was dead. And so everybody was on the front rows crying and you know and I just looked at the baby because I had never seen a dead child before so I was just looking at it. And all of a sudden I sense the presence of God and at that age I had already experienced you know tremendous revivals and tremendous meetings in the tents where God’s presence would show up. So immediately I related that to my dad because you know God used him in that area so I knew something was going to happen. So I turned around and looked he was still speaking with the minister at the door and all of a sudden he turned around and began to walk toward the table where this baby was. He walked straight to the table grabbed the baby literally and picked it up and said “In the Name of Jesus I command the spirit of death to leave and I command in the Name of Jesus life to come into this child.”  Kind of the words of what he spoke and immediately the baby began to scream and cry (Laughing). Of course it was shocking for everyone and he said “This baby is not dead this baby is alive!” You know but that was one of my first exciting moments of my life you know. And it gave me a deep hunger in my heart and in my spirit to see God do things like this because I believe in a God of miracles, signs and wonders.

Sid: Now you literally saw when your parents needed money and they prayed money comes from heaven.  What do you mean about that?

Rebecca: Most missionaries go through at that point in time but thank God it’s different nowadays but the founding missionaries they went through a lot of times of testing….financial testing as you call it (Laughing). And at this point we had been like a week our food was giving out and you know my mother kept on asking my father you know “Have we gotten any mail, has anyone sent something? You know kept on asking and he says “It’s coming it’s coming he’d say that every day and soon she said “You better do something you know.” And He said “Oh yes I’ll get some in fact I’ll go get some groceries.  And so in fact I said “Dad can I go with you?” And so we went out and he closed the door and he stood on the steps of the house where we lived and looked up in the sky and I guess he was praying at this point. And I said “Dad are we going to the store?” He said “Yeah just wait a minute.” The next thing I know there’s this whirlwind that you know I had to close my eyes because there’s a lot of dust so I closed my eyes because of these whirlwind was coming, dust wind basically.  And the next thing I know there’s this “Look up there Rebecca.”  And so I looked up and floating toward us was this bunch of paper you know it looked like paper but anyway when it fell and the wind totally went away it was totally calm it was money.  And it was 500 pesos at that time and so it was a tremendous miracle financial miracle at that point.

Sid: So you’ve seen the dead raise, money come from heaven that must have really stretched your faith as a young child coming from a heritage like that.  But when you were on the platform with Carlos Annacondia, which you do quite often and you hear him stand up and say the title of his book “Listen to Me Satan.” I mean he speaks with such authority over the devil. What have you witnessed happening to people with your very eyes?

Rebecca: Well what happens a lot of times God can be totally clear like a sunny day I’ve seen this happen a couple of times. A sunny day and when that happens all of a sudden clouds, dark clouds, appear and it becomes very apparent that He is dealing with the darkness over that city and the principalities that are over that city. And it’s very real if any one…out there don’t believe in the supernatural you know in one of his meetings or in evil manifestations.

Sid: So you can see.

Rebecca: You can see it.

Sid: It’s like a fight that’s going on between the powers of darkness and God.

Rebecca: Yes.

Sid: And so what happens when those storm clouds gather and it becomes that encounter?

Rebecca: A lot of people begin to fall out in the Spirit but basically people from all over thousands and thousands of people at his meetings. People who are have been possessed or tormented by evil spirits and immediately begin to scream, begin to manifest fall out and basically various you know manifestations of evil appear. And so to have a team of usually 500 in that country but in other countries less but they pick these people up literally and they call them camareros. They pick them up and put them over their heads and take them straight to the tent. They have a tent on one side for woman and they another side for the men and they have 3 people that for each person that gets each people delivered by the scriptures you know by casting out the evil forces the evil spirits in the person.

Sid: Now here like in the United States and Canada we don’t see a whole lot of that have the demons just gone to Argentina (Laughing) or do we have them here? How come we don’t see that here that much?

Rebecca: No here our demons are very nice and very cultured (Laughing).

Sid: (Laughing).

Rebecca: And very composed the rest of them that are not and do not know how to behave nicely are basically in institutions.

Sid: Hmm.

Rebecca: Here the demons are very intelligent demons they’re very conniving and very smart.  They attack in a different way.

Sid: Now after Carlos prays and the people with demons manifest and they go to a tent and they’re set free I understand that the whole spiritual atmosphere over the meeting changes and it’s so easy for them to throw the net out and for people to come to the Lord.

Rebecca: Oh yes in Mar del Plata this was one of his first largest meetings that he had. He had 50,000 people saved in one night.

Sid: My goodness 50,000 in one night.

Rebecca: Like a month after his ministry began.

Sid: But after he gets rid of evil so to speak through his authority people want to come to the Lord.

Rebecca: Oh yes people run to the Lord! (Laughing)

Sid: What about creative miracles I understand a lot of babies with say Down Syndrome?

Rebecca: Oh yes.

Sid: They get healed but it’s not so much a gradual healing have you actually seen the features of the baby’s faces change before your very eyes?

Rebecca: Well what happens is they fall under the power of God and it’s like for example there little tongues their little tongues usually the Down Syndrome children are kind of hanging out sort of so to speak you know.

Sid: Yes.

Rebecca: It’s like somebody’s grabs their tongue and stretches it like you stretch a rubber band and then you let it loose the rubber band you let it loose.

Sid: Hm hm.

Rebecca: That will actually kind of like their tongue is stretched and it pops back into their mouth its incredible (Laughing) you know to see and the little eyes they totally change.

Sid:  What happens to their eyes?

Rebecca: Well they have you know the special little eyes they have a change comes over their eye features that’s very apparent.

Sid: Well what happens to their thinking ability because you know many are not able to think at a level of a normal person?

Rebecca: That’s what happens they come to a normal IQ level.

Sid: Instantly or gradually?

Rebecca: Once I’ve seen it instantly but there’s some…

Sid: What about the shapes of their heads sometimes the shapes of their head are not correct?

Rebecca: (Laughing) God just does it it’s supernatural.

Sid: Have you seen the shapes of their head change before your eyes, their eyes change before your eyes?

Rebecca: Yes but it’s unexplainable to the natural to one naturally you know you can’t explain it.

Sid: How many have you see like this?

Rebecca: Well this was in one meeting that I saw this and there was at least 6 children went up and they called out of the whole meeting. Now this has happened a lot in Japan where he’s been an incredible Down Syndrome…

Sid: Rebecca unfortunately we’re out of time right now I mean I want to talk about these people that instantly that are bald and they get hair back.  I mean this is hard for us to believe here in the United States but we’ll have you back on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: I’ve got Geoffrey & Michelle Cohen on the telephone I’m speaking to them at the house at Ventura California. And we found that Geoffrey was born in South Africa went to Israel had an encounter with the Lord where he literally saw Jesus met his wife who was born in England in America in California and Geoff and Michelle got married and they had several visions in which the same thing happened to them. The Spirit of God came to them in such an awesome way they both were pinned to the ground. And the Lord showed that He was coming so soon and they thing that should be disturbing whether it’s for them or it’s for their friends Geoffrey the Lord showed you and Michelle that many people were not ready.

Geoff: Yes.

Sid: What did that mean to you?

Geoff: What it meant to me the scripture that came to mind when I had that experience is that it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.  And Jesus is either our friend of our judge but He wants to be our friend.  But for those who are not ready it will be a fearful thing and you have to go through the great tribulation and yes people can still get saved during that time but that’s not the best way to go because it’s going to be really really tough.

Sid: And you told me about how you had prayed in His name and one day in a church everyone got healed you moved in a gift of faith and there was a woman who was not what we call legally blind but blind blind 100% blind.

Geoff: She’s walk into a wall if she wasn’t a hold of somebody.

Sid: Tell me what happened?

Geoff: Well the Lord laid on my heart like you said it was a gift of faith because that was what it was. I wouldn’t call myself a healing evangelist or anything like that. But when God gives you the gift of faith you know faith can move mountains faith can do anything. And God gave me the gift of faith that if I would put spit on her eyes that she would see. So I asked her through a translator of course you could.  So I put spit on my fingers and then she closed her eyes and I put spit on her eyes and then she opened her eyes. And as I moved my hand towards her eyes I knew that she was going to be healed.  And she opened her eyes and I know that this is very much like the Bible account but this is what happened and her whole face illuminated and I said “Can you see?” And she said “Yes I can but it’s still not clear.” It’s like when Jesus would spit on the dirt you know the same kind of thing. She said “I can see but it’s still unclear.” And the Lord said “Do it once more.” And I did once more I put the spit on my hands and I put the spit on her eyes and this time she opened her eyes and she could see 100% 20 x 20 vision.  And she just ran around praising and leaping and rejoicing in the Lord and there was just pandemonium in the place I mean people…

Sid: What was happening to you when you saw God move through you that way with that gift?

Geoff: I was just so excited because God is the same Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and I just knew that it was the same Jesus that walked on the streets of Jerusalem and the Galilee and all around Israel and healed people.  And rose the….laid hands on people and they would rise from the dead that it’s the same Jesus right here right now and He was the Jesus that healed her. And so I got such a joy and excitement and faith like I’d never experienced before.

Sid:  Geoffrey you said just before we went on the air God gave you 3a word of knowledge for one of our listeners tells me about it.

Geoff: Yes He does I’m actually going to tell it in conjunction with the third time that Jesus appeared to me because it’s connected. And this is how the Lord told me to say it.  The third time that Jesus appeared to me He was walking along the wall of the old of the Old City. And as you know the wall is about 15’ wide and so you can walk along it and as He was walking along the wall He wasn’t looking at me this time He was looking straight in front of Him. And I didn’t know how to pray because all I prayed were rote prayers in Hebrew but I thought in my heart “Oh if He would only look at me once more!” And the very instant that I thought but I didn’t even pray it but I believe in God’s eyes that was my first prayer.  The second I thought that Jesus turned and looked me straight in the eye just as if to say “I heard the very thought of your heart and I’m answering it right now.” And He looked me straight in the eye and then He disappeared.  And the reason that I’m sharing that is that Jesus was patrolling the walls of Jerusalem and He’s jealously guarding His people His people Israel the Jewish people. Jealously even right now guarding that city of Jerusalem because it’s close to His heart and precious to His heart and He’s going to come back to Jerusalem because He is the throne or He is the King rather that sits on the throne of David and He’s going to rule from Jerusalem. And what the Lord spoke to me is that Jesus is truly the King of the Jews He is the Jewish Messiah but He came for the whole world the Jews and the Gentiles. But then somebody maybe more than one person listening right now and you have denied the Jewishness of the gospel, you have denied the Jewishness of Jesus and yet you’ve been born again you’ve had the experience with God but you’re saying that God has now replaced Israel with the church and has forgotten His people Israel. And the Lord says “Because of this deception you’re bringing a curse upon yourself and your ministry and even your finances have gone down.” And God is saying “If you repent I love you.” It’s not that He’s angry but He’s saying but you bring the curse upon yourself but if you’ll repent, if you’ll repent and turn to the God of Israel who loves the Jews and will never forsake His people if you’ll repent your whole life is going to change, your ministry is going to be blessed and your finances will be blessed again.

Sid: God never sends judgment without supernatural warning and consider yourself warned by a holy God who loves you God’ says. “I will bless those who bless the Jewish people and I will curse those who curse them.” And God says in the book of Romans “Gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”  He doesn’t change His mind and by the way “If He doesn’t change His mind with the calling on the Jewish people despite they sin then He’s not going to change mind on the Christians on let’s say sin.  If you repent of your sins He’s just and faithful to forgive you of all unrighteousness.

Geoff: That’s right.

Sid: Now I believe Geoffrey if you get wrong with your understanding of the Jew in Israel theology speaking they you will then open yourself up to every deception imaginable.  And this replacement theology is out of the pit of hell.

Geoff: Totally totally yeah it comes from beneath and really it’s the devils plan to try you know he knows he can’t destroy the Jewish people so he’ll try to destroy or come against the Jewishness of the gospel.  I’m talking about the Biblical Jewish roots of the gospel and God has created the Jewish people to be a blessing to the nations and Jewish believers to be a blessing to the nations.  And I believe that when people deny that and turn against that they are cutting themselves off from the blessing of God.  They are bringing a curse upon themselves it’s not that God wants to do that to anybody but they are doing it to themselves when they deny the very roots and the fatness of the roots that the Bible speaks about in Romans 11. Where they deny their heritage when it’s the true fathers of the church the Lord showed me in His word the true fathers of the church are the Jewish fathers because they are the ones that God founded the church through and God is wanting the church to come back to their Jewish roots.  And to the heritage the rich heritage the rich heritage so they’ve come out of so they can be as you said “One New Man in Messiah.”

Sid: This is the message that I’m hearing not just through God speaking through you and God speaking through me but I’m hearing this word throughout the world.  It’s a move of God’s Spirit it’s a restoration of Jews and Christians to this One New Man.

Geoff: That’s right.

Sid: Like that it’s going to release the glory like nothing that has ever happened on the face of this earth.  And what I believe Geoff that glory that you had that supernatural faith where you prayed for a completely blind person and she got her sight back this is going to be common place. I believe that people are going to walk into hospitals and the whole hospitals will be cleared out in the name of Jesus.

Geoff: Oh I have no doubt about it none whatsoever God is preparing us He is…we are the wineskin and God is making us into a wine skin that can hold His glory it’s not a short-time revival that just fizzles out but we’re going to go through the long hall. And you know I do want to share in conjunction with what you said “Roman’s chapter 11 verse 15 says that if they’re being cast away is the reconciling of the world what will their acceptance be but life from the dead.  And I believe that part of accepting the Jewish people as they are that as they come to know the Messiah that literally its going to be life from the dead in the church through Jewish believers who are coming into the church bringing resurrection life back into the church as they embrace their Jewish roots in the Lord.  I believe that we’re going to see many people raised from the dead and many great signs and wonders I’ve no doubt that all about that I have such faith that that truly is going to happen but the key is for the Gentile believer and the church to accept the word acceptance is hospitality in the original Greek to be hospitable to the Jewish people so that they can truly be jealous in a godly way to want their Messiah back who I Jesus who is Yeshua.

Sid: Now I believe I’m supposed to pray right now in the name of Yeshua I bind every anti-Semetic, every religious spirit there’s someone that literally your back is rearing up because your angry you don’t even know why you’re angry that’s a religious spirit. I bind you in Jesus name I command the spiritual scales off of God’s people.  And I thank you that when they read Roman’s 9, 10 and 11 as soon as we go off of the air Roman’s 9, 10 and 11 they are going to see the truth and this truth is going to set them free.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Many believers are under spiritual attack and here’s the thing. They don’t know it. How can you fight an enemy if you don’t even know you have an enemy, if you think it’s your self? There are many believers that are under attacks of loneliness, under attacks of depression, under attacks of fear. There are so many areas. Once you can identify that these attacks are demonic you can throw them out the window every time. You ready? Ryan, you remind me so much of myself. When you were a young person you were gifted and you didn’t even realize you were gifted. You had no grid. You had no education in things of the Bible and things of the supernatural. And then you had a relative that, how cruel can humans be, he locked you in a closet and what did he do?

 

RYAN: Well he locked me in and told me ghost stories and scary stories, which really opened up the gateway to the supernatural on the dark side. Of course, in our family we didn’t understand the principles of the Bible, as you said. We didn’t understand the Gospel. And I really believe it’s one of the great dangers, Sid, of a generation that’s void of the supernatural.

 

SID: But it’s not void of the supernatural because wherever you look on television, in school, they got the supernatural, the devil is on display. They just don’t say it’s the devil.

 

RYAN: That’s right.

 

SID: That’s what happened to you. I mean, you got into things like hypnosis and new age, and all the things that everyone is getting into today. And today they have all these games that open the doors and videos, and movies. And you’re doing just fine, you thought, until the best thing that ever could happen to you, happened. You got arrested.

 

RYAN: That’s right.

 

SID: What did you do?

 

RYAN: Well this just led me down a pathway of darkness. When you’re introduced to darkness you’re going to live in that dark realm. So I kept advancing darker and darker into that dark supernatural realm and not the supernatural realm of angels and the Holy Spirit, and Jesus. So now as a teenager I’m looking for some kind of thrilling activity. So I’ve got friends that are going on these excursions to see how much merchandise they can steal out of the store, and I get swept up in this. So I’m doing this, not for merchandise, but for the thrill of this adventure so we think. And I get caught, and I end up spending a weekend in juvenile hall, and in that weekend, and it was the best thing that ever happened to me because in that weekend God sent somebody to preach the Gospel and prayed a prayer, Sid, that is still working in my life all these years later. I basically said, it’s the prayer that everybody prays when they get in trouble, but God really hears and answers it. I said, “God, if you deliver me out of this situation and get me out of this I’m going to serve you the rest of my life.” And I can’t tell you how many times, being in Haiti and sleeping under a mosquito net, traveling around the world, being away from family, God has reminded me of that prayer.

 

SID: I’m sure.

 

RYAN: That prayer took my life in a whole new direction.

 

SID: I mean, you opened yourself up to a lot of demonic spirits.

 

RYAN: I did. I did. I got saved and I was probably like a lot of people. And this is why I’m passionate about this message about overcoming spiritual attack, because many people get saved Sid, and they’re going to what I call a nice church. That’s what I was doing. We loved Jesus, we sang songs, but we didn’t understand breaking the power of the enemy. We didn’t understand spiritual attacks. We didn’t understand the realm of the spirit. So fortunately, I end up through a supernatural event, the Lord, the voice of the Lord comes to me in a service and says, “I’ve called you.” I was then given a tape series by Norvel Hayes on the spirit of prophecy. Now remember, I am prophetically gifted but not trained. So I end up going to his Bible college. I’m there the first day. His daughter is directing the school and she calls me up with a word of knowledge. You see, one revelation can turn your life in a whole other direction. And that’s why we need churches and ministries, and Christians and people that believe in God’s supernatural realm and operate in the gifts of the Spirit and the power of the anointing, and the Glory of God. Because when you have a bondage, when you’re under that cloud of depression, when you’re that cloud of heaviness, you’re under that financial attack, that marriage attack, that mind attack, you need supernatural insight and you need supernatural power to break it. Now Sid, sometimes, people get so far under an attack that they need the help of somebody else’s faith or anointing to break through and that’s where I was, because I didn’t know how to break through. So I’m there in Bible college, I’m called out through a word of knowledge, the attack is discerned and then it’s broken just like that. Now here’s what happened to me. I leave that class. I go back to the place I’m staying at. The Bible says, “The thief comes immediately to steal.” Immediately he comes to steal the Word. When you get a healing the devil comes to tell you you’re going to get sick again. When you get a breakthrough from a spiritual attack the devil tells you you’re going to fall back into that. Immediately he comes. Right after I get set free I’m sitting alone and the enemy says to me, “They embarrassed you. They shouldn’t have called you out and prayed for you in front of everybody.” And I’m warring with this in my mind, because your mind, without the Word of God, will think crazy thoughts. That’s why you’ve got to have teaching and that’s why you’ve got to understand how to renew your mind. And so my mind starts agreeing with the voice of the enemy and says, “That’s right, they shouldn’t attack.” Thank God for the voice of the Lord because the Lord says to me, “Did you come here to get free or did you come here to serve your pride?” And in that moment I got a revelation to change my whole life. When you want to be free, you’re desperate, Sid. You don’t care what it takes. You don’t care how hard it is. You know, I remember one night preaching at this place and the Lord gave me a word of knowledge about breaking the spirit of [unintelligible] people. And it’s a long story. We don’t have time to get into it. But it was challenging. I didn’t want to do it. In the realms of freedom, there are radical realms of obedience and I told the Lord, I don’t want to give this word of knowledge. I don’t want to pray for people about this. This is embarrassing. And the Lord said, “Then you can do the meeting on your own.” I said, “I don’t want to do that, Jesus.” So I began to give the Word and I’m praying in a prayer line and this man grabs me. Now I learned something from this about how to break the spiritual attack. This man grabs me and I thought he had a demon. I thought he was attacking me because that has happened to me before. He grabs me and he says these words to me. He says, “Preacher, you are not going to leave me until I get free.” Sid, when he said that to me it was like a thousand volts of electricity shot down from my head to my toes. I leaped forward and laid hands on him. The power of God hit him and down he went. He said, “I was molested as a child repeatedly and a dark cloud came into my room one night and entered into my body, and I’ve been bound ever since. No matter what I’ve tried to do I’ve been bound.” But through desperation he got free. And one of the keys to breaking a spiritual attack, you’ve got to get desperate, that you don’t care about your pride, you don’t care what it costs you, you don’t care what it looks like.

 

SID: Define for me “spiritual attack.”

 

RYAN: It’s a great question because most people don’t recognize it and recognition is half of the battle. So a spiritual attack, well the devil is stupid, but you to have understand the devil has studied humanity for its entire existence. There are demons of anger. There are demons of depression. There are demons of fear. I had the spirit of fear. That was one of the demons that plagued me. It’s a literal spirit. The Bible says God has not given us a spirit of fear. There are classes of demon powers and God has given us the gift of the discerning of spirits to recognize and discern these. Every believer has that. But a spiritual attack is a coordinated series of events coming from the realm of hell to stall out destiny and to shipwreck your faith. So I want to give the picture, Sid. In Hell, they have planning sessions where they say here’s how we’re going to target this person. They understand the destiny declared over someone, sometimes far greater than we understand it. I had a prophetic destiny. God had called me to the realm of seeing and knowing. And so the enemy, how does he come? He comes with a counterfeit. He comes with familiar spirits, with dark side stuff, with hypnosis, he comes to get me off track. In a spiritual attack, sometimes it begins many, many years ago, even as a child, the devil starts introducing things to you.

 

SID: With you, it started as a toddler.

 

RYAN: Literally.

 

SID: I’ll tell you what, when we come back, not only was he set free, but he says once you identify what the enemy is doing, who your enemy is, it’s easy to get free. Now he moves in amazing signs and wonders, but this is off the table. He sees someone that has no eye on one side and the other side, no pupil, totally blind. This person ends up seeing. But I haven’t told you the great miracle yet. It’s way beyond what you think. I’ll be right back.

SID: Ken, you said the devil is always after our seed. What do you mean by that?

 

KEN: Well I was in a church service not too long ago and the pastor preached on kids, and the pastor came up and talked about we’re going to give an offering and if you have children away from God, I want to encourage you to give a special seed because this is family, we’re going to call this family seed for your children. And he said, “Don’t let the devil steal your seed. If he speaks something to you to give, do it because the devil wants your seed.” And that stuck with me and I thought, the devil is after the seed. The devil is always after the seed. Then I thought, what is our most important seed? Of course, financially we must have money to make it, but our most important seed is not our money, because we can’t take that with us. It’s not your house or your career. Our most important seed is our children. That’s the one thing you can take to Heaven with you is your children. And so seed must be invested in, must be planted. Then it must be nurtured as it grows up, so there is no greater picture in the Bible of the importance of training our children properly than the principle of the seed.

 

SID: Now you say there’s a supernatural psalm that literally can help devil-proof our home. Tell me about that, Psalm 127.

 

KEN: Psalm 127, five verses that begins, “Except the Lord build the house they labor in vain that build it. Except the Lord keep the city, the watchmen wakes but in vain.” Well the Jewish people teach us that the builder is the husband, the father, and the watcher is the wife, the woman, which the man is the one that leads. He’s the leader of the family, but the woman is the watcher or has all these different avenues that they see things. And so God has designed that partnership to then produce children. And then it says that, “Our children are like arrows in the hand of a mighty man.” So what is an arrow? An arrow is a weapon, but it’s not a weapon unless it’s prepared properly and then unless it’s put into the bow and aimed, and then it’s fired. So our children, we’re preparing them. We’re making sure they’re a straight arrow. Their shaft is straight. We’re making sure their arrowhead is sharp. We’re putting the Word of God in them, and then there comes the day that your children, you love them, but they leave you, and that’s God plan. The entire time they’re growing up we’re preparing them for leaving. They begin to leave the day that they’re born.

 

SID: So you actually see this as a supernatural blueprint to devil-proof our home.

 

KEN: Absolutely.

 

SID: Is it possible to keep our children from what culture is doing to them?

 

KEN: Yes there is. Ideally, we do this all the time that they’re growing up. We begin when they’re young. Take this very seriously. Live this out in front of them. The greatest thing our children, the greatest way they’re going to learn how to stand against the culture and the enemy of our time is for us as mom and dad, or if you’re a single parent you can still do this, model this for them.

 

SID: Tell me about the supernatural blessing of a family serving God.

 

KEN: Well Sid, we find it in Deuteronomy, in Deuteronomy, Chapter 6, in what the Jews call the Shema, where it talks about you’re to serve, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and then we’re supposed to diligently put this in our children, talking about this when we rise up and we lie down, when we walk by the Way. This is talking about a commitment to train our children in the Word of God. And then when we do that, it goes on to say, “And God will give you houses that you didn’t build.” He’ll give you cities that you didn’t build. He’ll give you olive trees, olive vineyards and trees that you didn’t plant. So this is supernatural. This is committing to God to love. It’s really very simple. Love God. Put the love of God in your kids and then the blessing of God comes on you to do something that you couldn’t do on your own.

 

SID: Okay. The people watching us right now, what they’re saying is that sounds wonderful, but it’s too late for me. They need some supernatural hope for their children, some supernatural hope for their marriage. I want you to pray for them right now.

 

KEN: I’ve got that hope for you. And here it is, Acts 16:31, this promise in the New Testament where Paul says, “If you’ll believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you’ll be saved.” Now that is awesome. But it goes further than that. He says, “You’ll be saved and your house.” That means your family. So what we’re saying is you can begin today. In fact, this prayer will release a brand new anointing in your life and in your family to bring this to pass. Why? Because your prayers are powerful. They reach out. They can cause events to begin to happen in the lives of your children, your relatives. We’re going to pray right now. We’re going to stand on Acts 16:31. We’re going to believe that God is going to begin to move in your family. So Heavenly Father, I ask you right now in Jesus’ name for these people that are watching for their families, we pray that the anointing of God, the angels of God, may people come into their path that will preach to them the wonderful Gospel that they will hear. Lord, begin to work in these families. And we claim their family members, their blood family members to be saved, to be touched by the power of God. We command the devil to take his hands off them and we speak this and declare it to be done in Jesus’ name.

 

SID: And I’m going to tell some of you this. Do you remember how Trudi would reach over and put her hand on Ken while he’s sleeping, and pray in tongues? I tell you, the Word of God says, in Exodus 12, “A lamb for a house, a lamb for a family.” You and your house will be saved.

SID: You know, Ken, most people don’t realize what God is up to. God wants a family. What does he mean by that?

 

KEN: Well you think about how the earth was created. God made a man and God later made a woman, and so a marriage starts the entire Bible. So we have the Bible beginning with a marriage, and then at the end of the Bible, we see that there’s an event called the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, which is a seven-year celebration in Heaven with Jesus and the Church where we enjoy seeing, meeting him face to face, other people, and we eat for seven years, which is awesome. So the Bible begins with a marriage and it ends with a marriage, and then the story is about this family that is very dysfunctional, but God continues to love them and work with them until he can work redemption’s plan.

 

SID: Okay. God wants a family. The devil wants the opposite of what God wants. Most marriages don’t know that in addition to their own differences there is a devil. Ken, what are the differences between men and women, briefly?

 

KEN: Well, men are headliners. We like the facts. We were created by God to be leaders. And so we just want to blow through life, but then women are more detailers. Women get into the details of life. They think more out of both sides of the brain, whereas men are more think out of the one side, which is a logical side. Women see things that men don’t. The Bible said when Adam was in the garden alone, it’s not good that this man is alone, so I’m going to give him a help mate, “help mate”, it says in King James.

 

SID: You know, in most marriages the differences cause a war rather than realizing by pulling the two together they’re better than any individual. As a matter of fact, why do you believe the devil hates marriage so much? I mean, it’s coming out more so today than ever before in history.

 

KEN: Right. It’s because marriage is designed to be the foundation of everything in life. And of course, the devil wants to get to the foundation. In fact, the scripture says in Psalm 11, “If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” That’s talking about righteous people through Jesus.

 

SID: Is there any family, say children that are totally rebellious, husbands that are at war with their wives, not realizing the war is coming from the invisible world? Yes, there are these differences, but there really is a devil and he’s really fighting you. And rather than falling over and playing dead, you’re saying there’s something that can be done about it. Is there such a thing as a hopeless marriage, a hopeless relationship with children?

 

KEN: No, I don’t believe that. I believe if you will apply the principles of God, know what the Word says and then grit your teeth sometimes to apply those principles and understand that a husband’s greatest gift to his wife is to love and care for her.

 

SID: What does it mean to you, to you, Trudi, when your husband loves you unconditionally?

 

TRUDI: It brings security. It brings hope, stability. And you know, when your husband is loving you it’s easy to submit to that because there’s no fear there. You’re not afraid you’re going to get hurt or trampled on, or mistreated because that’s not the behavior that Jesus would treat the church like. So when you see how he treats the church and that he sacrificed and loved it, and gave his life for it, when a husband has that attitude about his wife and she knows that, she will jump off a cliff with him because she knows then that the two of them together are going to create something that’s very strong and loving, and it produces that strong foundation.

 

KEN: In fact, the word “love”, love is not just a romantic thing, although it’s part of it, but the word “love” in the Hebrew language actually means I will give.

 

SID: Now you tell me, Ken, about the spiritual security system. What is that?

 

KEN: Well it’s like, I liken it this way. Our house has a security system that we arm and when we arm it, it protects the perimeters. But if I don’t arm the security system, which is my job, I have to arm it, I have to make sure that I do my part, then it sets up boundaries around my house that can’t be penetrated. Well God has designed his Word to be like that. When we learn how to act on his Word in our family, when we learn how to in our marriage give and take, when we learn how to. the importance of protecting our kids and watching over them and setting perimeters in their life, we are setting up a security system around our family that the enemy will try to penetrate, and it’s an ongoing, daily thing that we must do and be proactive with.

 

SID: What is the first thing someone should do to devil-proof their home?

 

KEN: Well the first thing is you don’t cooperate with him. You don’t give him permission.

 

SID: No one is going to give him permission.

 

KEN: We give him permission when we don’t act on the Word of God, when we don’t do what the Bible says to do.

 

SID: It’s time to stop rolling over, playing dead, giving up. There is hope and I want to inject that to you supernaturally. When we come back, I want you to understand there’s even a psalm that gives you the full plan to devil-proof your marriage. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is called affectionately the igniter of faith because if you’ve got oil, the oil of the Holy Spirit, he’s got fire. Are you ready for the fire? This just blows me out of the water. David, you had 25 blind people and 24 got healed. They actually could see. Tell me about that.

DAVID: Absolutely. We were out there in the middle of the jungle. I’m talking two flights, a 24-hour train, a five-hour car ride and we finally get to our destination. But I was out there preaching at the village and the Spirit just spoke to me as were on the stage. When we’re on the stage we normally line people up, men on one side, women on one side and the kids in the middle, and we just lay hands on them real quick, and in literally ten minutes we can pray for a thousand people with the ministers real quick. We normally do that every time we go out. But that night I just looked at the crowd and said, no, God is doing something different. It’s what I call a creative miracle. I asked everybody that was blind to come forward. Well I did not know that there were 25 blind people. I was thinking one or two, or three. And then they start coming out in droves, and I’m like okay. I go, Lord, I put you on a spot. I know if I put God on the spot that God is going to answer. So I went over there and told them to hold the line up, but when they lined up I told all the ministers not to lay hands on them. We’re just going to walk by them. We walked by them and I went back to the stage, and I said, okay, one, two, three, open your eyes. I looked and nothing happened. Translator, count one, two, three. They don’t understand me. And we counted to one, two, three, 24 eyes opened instantly. Some of them were born with this. Some of them had injuries.

SID: Okay. You beg the question. What about the one person that didn’t get their sight? That must have been—

DAVID: You know, it’s crazy. One person that didn’t get their sight was an evangelist. She preached the Gospel. All my ministers jumped off the stage and they’re like a football trying to recover a fumble. I’m like, no, no, everybody back up. Back up. We got to talk to her. We got to see what’s her problem. There’s a problem in her thinking. A lot of times our faith in miracles don’t happen because there’s a problem in our thinking. So I talked to her and she thought that God gave this to her as a gift. And I’m like, God doesn’t give anyone a gift wrapped up that says disease, sickness, death. This is not God’s will for you. And I explained to her that in the Exodus the Bible says if we follow him that he will remove these diseases from us because he’s the God that healeth thee.

SID: So she didn’t receive it. That was the problem.

DAVID: No, she did not receive it.

SID: Now how in the world, according to my notes, you started out, listen to this, he started out as a gigantic tumor. What do you mean?

DAVID: My mother was so nervous and stuff that she got a report from the doctor. The doctor told her that she had a tumor and they were going to have to operate on her, and she decided she was going to go visit her pastor to pray for her. She was having a tent revival. She went into that tent revival. When she prayed over her she said that is no longer a tumor. That is a baby boy and his name will be David, and he will preach the Gospel. He will be an evangelist for the Lord, and he will preach the Gospel and have an anointing and healing, and soul winning, and he is the apple of God’s eye.

SID: And what happened to the tumor?

DAVID: Well my mom had me a few months later. I don’t know how long the term was, but she had me a few months later. The tumor was gone.

SID: I’ve heard of ridiculous faith and ridiculous miracles. He is asleep in a truck and someone gets healed. Tell me briefly about that.

DAVID: Oh absolutely. We did a shortcut to get to a stage area, a place that we needed to go for some new staging we were putting up for a crusade. And we’re cutting through this village, and we weren’t even supposed to go there, but the driver knew a quicker route. I was asleep because I figure a good hour’s nap would be good. Well I wake up and I tell the driver in Hindu to stop and he stops. And I jump out and walk across this busy little village, and there’s this man that’s crippled. You could see his body is bent in all different parts, and go over there to pray for him, and I asked him if he believed that he could be healed and how long was he there. Well he said he’s been there for about 20-plus years. And I go, rise up and walk, and I just literally picked him up, pulled him and his body snaps back into the correct positions that it was supposed to be. And he got out of his bed, and he just gave me a hug and walked off. And I jumped back in the jeep and went back to sleep.

SID: You know what I find interesting. We have our plans. God has his plans. Tell me about a 19-year-old kid that wanted to be a professional soccer player.

DAVID: I was young and playing soccer since I was as far as I could remember, and I was supposed to be traveling to Germany to go play in a school and then eventually get into the pros. And one day after working, getting the money together to go out there, I just noticed that my cat and my dog were literally fighting, were just laying in front of this door, to the bathroom door. And I’m like, what is wrong with you all two? What did you all do? So I go over there to push them away from the door to see what’s in there, but when I get there I hear the presence of God. And I know the presence of the Lord, and I just humbly opened the door and I just walked in, and I said, “Lord,” and that’s when on the mirrors itself it showed my life on the left side. It showed all the things that I would accomplish as a soccer player, all the good things, all the life I would have. But inside my heart I was miserable. Even though I had the accolades and had all the things there’s nothing wrong with that kind of life, but it wasn’t for me. God destined me for something else. So I was looking at that and I looked at the other side of the mirror. It was kind of like halfway like literally a video playing. On this side I see myself moving in great anointing. I see people being delivered. I see healings and miracles, as far as you can see in the mirror just souls coming to the Lord. And I looked at that. But then I looked and my heart was happy. It was excited. It was doing its purpose. But then I just looked at the cost that it would take to get there, and I was like, but I knew at that time God was giving me a decision. And I put my hand on the mirror that would show the preaching and the evangelism. I never played again.

SID: David, I’m going to tell you something. I’m so glad you didn’t because those, I’m a reporter of the supernatural and there is a flow of the Spirit of God. The minute you started talking about the Spirit of God it was like a river and I’m expecting such miracles. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

SID: So Hakeem was late for work and he is rushing to get to work, and not thinking that much about God, but God speaks to him. What does he say?

HAKEEM: Yes. I was just on my way to work. My whole priority was really to just be on time. And so I was trying to get breakfast and I was going through my regular day, and the Lord interrupted my day. He said, “Son, do you want to know what Heaven declares over you today?” He wanted to give me a blueprint of my day, not just go casually, not be focused on just getting to work. But he wanted me to have a heavenly alignment to focus on what he desires for my day. And so when he said that to me, I’m like, “Well Lord, you surely picked a fine time to talk and so you’re going to make me late.” So he interrupted my time. But it was so important because now he wanted me to understand that I can command my day, that I can begin to cause things to shift and to change by what I speak. There is a right now word that God wants to release. There is a word in us that he wants us to release and understand. And so he said, “Do you want to know what Heaven has declared over you?” Heaven has already declared some things already, but we have to align, Sid, with the Word of God and bring Heaven to Earth, and we can bring it to Earth by what we speak prophetically. That is the power of the spoken word. God has given us purpose. He’s given us understanding and destiny, but he allows us to discover it once we discover it what his blueprint is.

SID: What is happening in the invisible world when you speak God’s Word? You talk about it being hovering over us. Explain.

HAKEEM: Right. Even as the Word, even as God’s spirit hovered over the deep in Genesis, Chapter 1, the deep of the waters, and so his Spirit, to me, by revelation is he’s hovering over us. Even the Bible says in Jeremiah that, “He watches over his Word to see that it is performed.” There is words that  are hovering over people. There is prophetic destinies that are hovering over people. There are promises of the Lord in Heaven that are hovering over people. And so God had likened it as his Word hovering over us. He watches over it just like an eagle or a mother hen that broods over her eggs and see it hatched, see it come to pass, see it to come to manifestation. That’s what God’s Word does. He hovers over. He watches over his Word and he protects us. Our prophecy protects us. Our promise and our destiny, even mantles protect us.

SID: Hakeem, pray for the activation of the gifts of prophecy, etc.

HAKEEM: Father, we just thank you right now. You have given us this biblical truth, this biblical principle. Father, it’s not just for the prophets. But Father, you desire for the prophetic senses, our senses to be open. Father, right now, even those who are watching, I just open their spiritual senses. I prophesy and I declare that their senses that have been locked, those gifts that have been dormant, those things that have kept them bound, I unlock it right now by the Spirit of God. I prophesy to those gifts and those senses that are there. Father, it is not just for the prophet, but you’re raising up a prophetic generation. You’re raising up a prophetic people. Father, these are the days where you’re pouring out your Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy. I release right now, let there be such prophetic will that will be activated in your people. Let their eyes be open. Let their ears be open. Let their taste be open. Let their sight be open. Let their sense of touch be open. You have given us natural senses. Father, I release right now that their spiritual senses will be open. I activate it. I unlock it right now. Those who are listening, you will feel the presence of God. His Spirit is coming upon you, the Spirit of prophecy is coming upon you right now in a new way. Just receive it. It is your inheritance. It is the desire of the Father to give you the Kingdom. And so this is the hour that you will begin to tap into a dimension that you have never known before. Get ready, for your spiritual senses have been open. You’re going to prophesy. You’re going to speak for God because you were born to speak for him.

SID: Prophecy is the doorway to the supernatural. Signs and wonders are God’s method of reaching those that don’t know the Messiah. It’s so easy. I was eating with Hakeem last night and he reads the waitress’ mail, tells her things. She starts crying right in the restaurant, telling her about the trauma she just went through, telling her she’s moving to another state. I mean, very specific things. And then I just said a simple prayer of salvation with her. It was easy. Prophecy makes the Kingdom of God demonstrate it. Easy. You were born to prophesy.

 

SID: So God spoke to you there and said you weren’t called to be hid behind bars, you were called to be a prophet.

HAKEEM: What happened was once I made the decision and I said, yes Lord, I will answer the call, I will obey, I was there for about 12 hours. Once I made that decision then maybe like ten minutes later they released me.

SID: Okay. You’re out of prison, but there was a visible difference in you from before that happened. Describe that.

HAKEEM: Yes. Once I was released from jail I would say maybe a week later I will be coming out of a restaurant or I will come out of a store and people, a stranger, will come up to me and say, “There’s something on you. Who are you? I see something different about you and what is that?” Now I didn’t even know what was on me. But because they saw something different they began to inquire. And so they asked me, “Do you minister? Do you preach?” And I, so they said, “Well I want you to come preach, I want you to come to my church and preach. I want to hear what God has to say through you.”

SID: Okay. So you know that God has called you to prophesy. They could see something on him. He didn’t have a sign. They saw something. That something was God. So he goes to the church to do what God has equipped him to do to prophesy. But God did more. There’s a blind man there. What happened?

HAKEEM: Well yes. So I know I had a call to the prophetic and then I’m looking, and the door opens up of the church while I’m ready to minister, and I see people coming in with wheelchairs and crutches, and so forth. And so as I begin to preach I saw this guy who was blind and I began to minister to him, and I began to say, “How is your sight?” He said he couldn’t see. And so I began to pray for him and nothing happened. And so I was discouraged, but I continued to just pray. And then one thing that I did, I said, let me just shift it. Let me just speak the Word. Let me prophesy over him. And I began to prophesy over him and I said, “God is going to open your eyes in seven days.” Seven days later I received a phone call from his pastor that said, “The man that you prophesied over can see.” God opened his eyes supernaturally.

SID: You know what I’m really fascinated by this gifting, all of his spiritual senses are open. He sees words over people’s head. Tell me about one person with cancer.

HAKEEM: Yes. I was in a meeting and I was just ready to wrap up and the Spirit of God gave me a revelation. As I was looking into the crowd I began to see words and one of the words was “cancer”. And so I called out. It was a word of knowledge. I called out, I said, “There is someone in here that has cancer. God wants to heal.” This woman came forward. And so as I began to look at her, I began to just prophesy. I was not going to lay hands on her. I wanted to declare the Word of God. Sid, this is what God gave me. He said if I reveal it, I can heal it. If God reveals it, he can heal it. I am not the miracle worker. I’m just a conduit. And so he revealed this hovering, this word “cancer” and I saw it, the Spirit, call it out. And she came forth, and I saw the condition. But I wanted to speak the word that God will heal you. And I spoke the word and she fell out under the power of God. When she got back up, of course, I couldn’t see that she was healed, but I believed it, because I believed the word that was spoken. I believed what I was declaring over her and I began to command her body to be made whole. Two months later I got a report that she is cancer-free.

SID: Hakeem, there was a man that was a friend of mine who is now in Heaven that was a prophet seer like you, that prayed over you and sharpened your gifts. Tell me a bit about that.

HAKEEM: Yes. Bob Jones was like a papa, father, prophet in my life, and he was a seer prophet. And I went to his home several years ago and what happened was while I was there sitting, conversating with him, he asked me, “Do you want to meet my friend?” And I said, looking around like, who’s your friend? We have people here. And he was referring to Papa. He was referring to the Lord. And I said, sure. And he said, “Then I want to activate you and I want to cause you to be raptured up.” He used the word “rapture”. In my mind, theology, I will think rapture or so forth, I’m thinking right now it’s the end?

SID: That’s it. Bye-bye.

HAKEEM: And so while I’m sitting there, he said, “No, you can be called up, raptured. You can be called up right now.” We are seated in heavenly places right now with Christ. And so he wanted to activate that. And so I said, sure. And he said, “I am going to activate you.” And so he told me to close my eyes. I closed my eyes and he said, “Take a deep breath.” I took a deep breath and he said, “What do you feel? What do you see?” And I began to tell him what I feel. I said, “I feel these wings.” He said, “These are the angels.” And while I was feeling these supernatural expressions, feelings, I bumped into a vision. God opened my eyes and I began to see in the heavenly realm. God began to show me this tree. This tree had life flowing. It was green, but it was moving. Then I saw these riverbeds. They were like streams, a river. And then I literally saw these eyes, but these eyes that I looked were like eyes of fire. And while I was there I was kind of a little afraid because I’m like, what is it I’m experiencing? I’m in Bob Jones’ living room, but I’m in heavenly places right now. And so while I’m seeing these eyes I’m feeling the peace and the love, this liquid love that I felt surround me. And then I heard this sound, this like a trumpet, and I came out of the vision. And from that day my prophetic senses were open. Bob Jones was used, instrumental, to activate the seer realm in my life.

SID: I’m going to ask Hakeem to, freely you receive, freely you give, to freely pray in the Messiah’s name that these gifts will be activated in you, when we come back. Be right back.

We now return to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Tell me some of the faith killers that stop us from being naturally supernatural.

LAURA: You know, what happens when you pray for someone to be healed and they’re not, and then months later, you get a call at 2:00 in the afternoon saying, someone has had a horrible wreck, will you come do to the hospital with me and pray. And there’s something inside of you that says, it didn’t work last time, why is it going to work this time. But what you have to do is you have to step back and look at what Scripture says about the act of praying over someone, laying hands on someone, and you have to quit preaching your experience and preach the Word. If you do not do that, you will begin to change your theology. Your doctrine will start shifting everywhere. So that’s what I really try to do first is tether people back to the Word. And why are my prayers not answered? Where are my prophesies, you know, the fulfillment to my prophesies? All of these things, they’re going to get up every day and they’re going to read a devotional that deals with what I call these 30 universal faith toxins. But we start there with the Word and with their spirit and then turn our attention to their emotions. And there are prayers that they pray to deal with the residues of that faith toxin. Think about this.

SID: Let’s take all the traumas that we’ve had.

LAURA: Exactly.

SID: The rejection we’ve had, failures that we’ve had.

LAURA: Grief, anger.

SID: They all take a toll on us.

LAURA: They do.

SID: How do we deal with it?

LAURA: Well you have to really, you have to confront those Goliaths. You have to admit, I was wounded walking through that. When my church split in two or when my church died, it hurt me. It wounded me. How am I going to deal with that grief? I have a lot of people to forgive, you see. So yes, we pray these healing prayers in there that deal with the emotional residues of each faith toxin and then turn our attention to the correlating body detox. So I’m telling you, by the end of the 30 days, the devil has no place left in you that he can throw a hook and keep you back from your future. So you can’t just stuff and stuff, and stuff things that happen. You have to confront them and remove them from your life.

SID: I want you to lead us in one prayer to get rid of some of these toxins.

LAURA: I would love to. All right. Heavenly Father, I thank you right now that you have created us body, mind and spirit. First of all, we just repent for not acknowledging that. On any level, any place where you have not been whole, where you have ignored your body, just tell the Lord right now, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Any place where you have ignored your emotions and not allowed yourself to be real, just tell him, I’m sorry, no more. And any place in your spirit where you have not made him Lord, where you have maybe not even awakened to the Holy Spirit to fill you up, just tell him, Lord, I’m sorry. And now, right now receive a fresh impartation in all three. And I just declare over you that no weapon that has formed against you will prosper. Not a single one. You are going to come out of this fire not even smelling like smoke. And now I pray that it would be a testimony to God that he would be famous because of the testimony in your life. You have struggled and you have been through hardship. But guess what, you’re still standing. You’re still alive. So put praise in your mouth. Thank God for what he’s doing because he can make a message out of your mess, a testimony out of your test and a triumph out of every trial you’ve been through. Just tell him, I receive a new anointing right now, Lord. I receive healing for my body, I receive healing for my mind and I receive healing for my spirit. Make me whole. Amen. Now it’s done.

SID: God wants you to have a new beginning. There is the natural and there is the supernatural, and you are a three part being, just as God is a three-part being. If you don’t, you know, a wise man once said, the definition of insanity, keep doing things the same way and expect different results.

LAURA: That’s right.

SID: Well we Jewish people have a word for it. It’s meshuga. That means crazy. Make sure Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. Tell him you’re sorry for your sins. Believe that his blood wiped away your sins and paid everything for your sins. Then ask him to live inside of you and believe his grace, his enabling power will allow you to overcome every problem in your life in Jesus’ name. Do it right now.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

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SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. My guest is the son of one of the greatest healing evangelists in history. He’s the son of Oral Roberts. His name is Richard Roberts. But this is what you don’t know. Five months ago he was activated to a new level of healing. I am expecting the greatest outpouring of miracles we have ever had. We’re ready for a Holy Spirit explosion.

We now return to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Now I read the statistic that you gave me. The U.S. Center for Disease Control says there are 140 toxic chemicals that cause 70 percent of chronic diseases. By the way, being a minister, why in the world did you go out and get that certificate as a nutritionist? Why?

LAURA: Because I saw that we were not whole. The army of God was not whole. We were treating one-third or two-thirds of ourselves and the enemy had a way in. He had a way in to wiggle through and cause chaos in our lives. We are not even Christian if we don’t have faith because it took faith to become a Christian. So that’s why the enemy comes after our faith. So statistics like that or also even Harvard University, Harvard Medical Center, they came out with a study that said, it was called “The Gut Brain Connection”, and that connection showed that there is such a link in between your brain and what happens in your digestive track. Think about what happens when you have stage fright. You’re nervous up here and your tummy gets upset or you have a gut reaction. They found that they were so connected they should be considered one body system. So what that tells me is that what you eat affects what you think. And the Bible is very clear about what you think affects your faith. So I’m proposing that what you eat can indirectly affect your faith.

SID: I’ve actually never heard that before. But what she’s saying is food can affect your faith and it’s actually been scientifically proven. How about fasting? What happens when we fast? How does that help us?

LAURA: That is proof that food affects your spirit. When you fast, you are removing the thing that, or many things, that is causing you to grow in your flesh instead of in your spirit. How did sin enter the world in the Garden of Eden? Eve baked that apple pie or whatever it was.

SID: That’s not what happened.

LAURA: I know. Whatever it was, it was through her appetite. And Esau sold his birthright for a pot of stew. Satan even tempted Jesus and said, “Turn these stones into bread.” So appetite is so usable by God. If you will have appetites up for him and if you will satisfy your natural appetite with the things that he shows you, that is supernatural.

SID: Now tell me a few things you might have done to get the toxins out of your body.

LAURA: Well the program that I put people on, the 30-day program, remember I told you about those five categories that the prayer requests fell into, I break people’s 30 days down into five, those five categories of their lives, every prayer that they pray. And each one has six days. We spend six days on your relationships, six days on your finances. There’s a devotional for each day. You want to go in and say, Lord, what happened to my marriage? What happened? Why can’t I get ahead? Why can’t I get healed? Why can’t I get promoted? Whatever. And then each of those six days, we detox three body systems, spending two days on each. And I found—

SID: Take one.

LAURA: Okay. This is a perfect example. When we’re studying relationships, we are spending six days digging deeply into every relationship around you, above you, beneath you, and it just so happens that the color vegetable that is very good for the body system we’re detoxing that week, which is the heart, your cardiovascular system, your circulatory system, that particular week we’re going to eat a lot of reds. Isn’t that easy to remember? Reds in the heart. So it contains a little something called lycopene. And everybody is trying to put it in a pill form now. Take your lycopene pill. I think just reach for some strawberries or some red grapes, or some red peppers. Easier, cheaper, much better for the body.

SID: I was asking you, actually yesterday, it just seemed to me that just a few days isn’t going to be long enough to detox a liver, a heart.

LAURA: Right. But here’s the issue. God has already given us filters in our bodies. Our lungs filter, our kidneys, our liver, even our skin, it has a million little mouths on it. All right. So we already have filters. But we spend two days on each of those filters cleaning them out so that they can do their job because God has already designed our body to do the job for us. But many people, if I can say, get their filter gets dirty, and eventually what happens is, because their bodies are worn down, it does affect their faith. There is no questioning, no getting around it. If you feel ill in your body you are going to have a more difficult time approaching your Christian walk with fervor, with confidence, with faith. So it is so connected. We cannot segregate them. And I get very, can you tell I’m very passionate about this message.

SID: Now there’s a fringe benefit, by the way, because people that she’s taught this course for, they lose a lot of weight. Give me an example of one person.

LAURA: Well I’m just going to tell you. I have one person who’s very close to me and he said, okay, well I’ll do it. So he goes on this faith detox and he’s losing weight immediately, like five pounds, 10 pounds. He loses, in the course of the 30 days, he loses 22 pounds and he is so transformed by it, body, mind and spirit that he says, “I think I’m just going to continue eating this way.” So he does and now a week out, he’s now up to 25 pounds that he’s lost. It’s not water loss and it is not protein loss. You eat four to five times a day, eat or drink something four to five times a day. You’re not going to go hungry and nothing tastes like grass. You have my word. But it’s just amazing to me to hear that story along with other stories from men and women. And these are not just people who have tons of weight to lose. But I am hearing from people all over the United States, all over the world, 17 pounds in 17 days, four pounds in the first five days. And they’ll say the first four days was a real kicker, but now I have more energy and more focus, and my body is fueled with the right things.

SID: You know, when we come back I want to find some simple supernatural ways to detox our faith. Be right back.

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