SID:  Welcome to “Something More.”  Uh, David, I forgot to ask you, –

 

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SID:  because I got so excited about this unsaved Jewish guy that gets his hair growing in a MEETING!  I mean can you picture an unsaved Jewish person coming to a meeting and getting their hair growing out?  Uh, did he get saved?

 

DAVID:  Yeah he did!  Everyone th-there that wasn’t saved got saved; that was the thing.

 

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SID:  Well I want to get this “Aligning With Heaven” package into your hands.  It’s the brand-new book, “Aligning With Heaven”, and you have revelation here that few people uh have ever even heard!  Uh, and then, it’s 4 CDs; uh 3 – “The Revival of Ancient Pathways,” “Glory,” “The Courts of Heaven,” and then the exclusive bonus CD is “Activating DNA Blessings..  Tell me to – just talk a little bit more –

 

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SID:  about this “Activating DNA Blessings”.

 

DAVID:  Yeah.  So basically, people understand okay, when you take communion, that the blood of Yeshua – His body.  They also know about breaking generational curses.  People say, “I break the curse off of my bloodline.”

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  But they DON’T know how to LIBERATE the blessings from their bloodline, once they’ve broken the curse.  And that’s an amazing thing, because in your DNA there’s memory; in your blood there’s memory.

 

SID:  But – but what if YOU don’t know this memory?  You know, like I can’t go back –

 

DAVID:  No.

 

SID:  beyond my uh great-grandfather.

 

DAVID:  Sure.  You don’t – you don’t have to know it; you can just say, “Lord, go all the way down my family line; break every curse.”

 

SID:  That’s a lot of people!  [CHUCKLES]

 

DAVID:  And – and then say, “Now liberate the blessings that You think I should receive from my family line”.  Some maybe were scientists; some were maybe uh writers, philosophers, artists, whatever.  I started doing that, and I started having – I was able to understand complex things, scientific things.  Uh, like space travel, time travel; I could never fully understand it.  And for the next 6 weeks of doing this, I would wake up and I’d understand it.  I’d get equations for it; I would – and it’s like something started speeding up.  My ability to learn sped up.

 

SID:  Tell me about uh, you were talking about the bloodline and the DNA.  Explain that a little more.

 

DAVID:  Yeah.  So like in your bloodline, for instance, there can be sicknesses like diabetes or –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  or your father had it, your grandfather had it, so the doctors tell you, “Oh, you have this in your blood.”

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  But then there’s also OTHER good things in your bloodline that can be passed down.  Once you break the curse, you can liberate the blessings down the bloodline of the favor, the blessings, the inheritances!  There’s so much there that we don’t get –

 

SID:  What do you mean, “inheritances”?

 

DAVID:  Well even let’s say you’re, you know, like “the God of Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob.”  Isaac gets born into the full blessing of Abraham; Jacob is born with the full blessing that Isaac gets.  So a lot of has – have lost stuff in our family lines; and we can start saying, “God, the – the land, the – the prosperity even that our family had that was lost, I ask You to restore it to me, supernaturally”, and God can start doing that.

 

SID:  Um, tell me, because I know you move in prophecy; y-you move in everything when the glory invades.

 

DAVID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  Uh, but tell me uh about uh a prophecy that you’ve had in the past – just one – that has come to pass.

 

DAVID:  Prophetic word – okay.  Um, [TSK TSK TSK].  I was in France during the 6-month revival that I talked about earlier.  In the middle, God told me to prophesy France win the –

 

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DAVID:  World Soccer Cup; and if they win, the pastor should continue the meetings, because he was going to cancel the meetings.

 

SID:  Out of curiosity, maybe –

 

DAVID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  you might not know this, but were they favored to win?  I don’t even know!

 

DAVID:  No; it was –

 

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DAVID:  in fact they – no one thought they would even make it to the finals!  And the pastor told me, you know, France has this big vacation thing where it’s almost like an idol, where the summer they have it – I mean –

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

DAVID:  they go on strike and they “earn” that, right?  And – and so the Lord said, “No; I don’t want this to end.”  But I said, “Well how do I convince the people we should continue, in sacrifice, this revival to keep going?”  It had only been on like a month or two.  He said, “Tell them France will win the World Cup, and that will be a sign.”  So I get up the next day and I prophesy this.  No one there’s looking at me like, “Yeah, right”.  And then, France wasn’t even in the finals; and guess what?  The last night of the revival – had been like 6-weeks where were supposed to end it – the pastor told me we were going to end it tonight.  It was  – and I had prophesied France would win against Brazil, and then they really thought I was crazy because Brazil is really good.  Well guess what?  It was France versus Brazil the last night; France –

 

SID:  Now wh – were you sweating it?  Come on, tell me, –

 

DAVID:  Oh –

 

SID:  between you and me, 2 Jews.

 

DAVID:  I was so nervous.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  I didn’t even care about soccer; I watched every soccer game after I prophesied that.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  I was praying, “GO GET ‘EM!  YOU CAN DO IT PHILIPPE!” or “PIERRE!” or whoever they were.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  Uh, I was behind – I learned a lot; [CHUCKLES] I was behind every game after that!

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  And I was like, “Lord, if You – they don’t win, my whole reputation’s destroyed in this country”.  And guess what; France won –

 

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DAVID:  3-0.  Even the Brazilians were shocked, and they said, “Wow!  We can’t believe you beat us!”  And the French were surprised that they won.

 

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DAVID:  They weren’t, like, that proud; usually they were like proud.  They were like surprised that they won.  There was almost like a humility about it, like, “Wow, we actually [CHUCKLES] won!” –

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

DAVID:  you know.  And then the pastor said, “You know what?  I think we should continue this revival”.  And I pretended like it was his idea, so I said, “It’s going to be a sacrifice for me, but I’ll do whatever you say, pastor.  Let’s continue.”  You know, it was kind of the joke; if you make them think it was their idea, then they’ll keep going.

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  And we went for 6 months!  So that – that was just one prophecy.

 

SID:  Well tell me uh, I mean you have some amazing prophecies I have here in my notes.  Uh you’re talking about uh something that’s going to happen in Israel.  What is God showing you?

 

DAVID:  What’s going to happen in Israel?  Well there’s going to be a huge revival in Israel.  When –

 

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DAVID:  uh the first time I went to Jerusalem, I said, “Lord, show me what the DESTINY is for this city”, because I keep hearing – some are saying this is not the real Jerusalem; there’s going to be a new one.

 

SID:  I’ve heard people say that uh – a nuke is going to hit, uh Israel, and they’re going to be dispersed again, and then come back; and a lot of –

 

DAVID:  Yeah.

 

SID:  That’s called uh “meshugas”, “meshugganahs”.

 

DAVID:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES] Uh  – “craziness”.

 

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SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

DAVID:  So I said, “God, what’s the  – what’s Your destiny over THIS city – right right here that I’m looking at – in Jerusalem?”  I’m feeling the presence of God; I’m reading the Word of God.  I’m reading Daniel and Jeremiah, –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  and God starts to show me.  He says to me, “No; I have a purpose for this present-day Jerusalem.  There will be a move of God.  There will be many, many, many saved.  In fact, many will start coming from around the world; not to the revivals in America; they’re going to come to Israel to experience the glory of God!”  And – and

 

SID:  Well you – you know, God has shown me the same thing!  A lot of people are talking “gloom and doom” for Israel; I believe Israel’s finest hour is coming up.  I believe there’s going to be such a move of God’s Spirit in the land of [CHUCKLES] Israel, and I didn’t think about what you just said, but that’s right in-line with what God’s showing me.

 

DAVID:  Wow!

 

SID:  People will come; just like people used to go to –

 

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SID:  Brownsville, –

 

DAVID:  Exactly.

 

SID:  and Pensacola, a-and these various revivals from other countries, people are going to go to ISRAEL for revivals.

 

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SID:  Tell me something else God’s prophesied.

 

DAVID:  Yeah.  One of the prophecies I’ve seen uh is Europe right now.  Europe is about to have a MAJOR move of God, and the center of it will be Germany.  God told me that –

 

SID:  Interesting!

 

DAVID:  that Europe will – cannot have a move of God without Germany being in the center of it.

 

SID:  W-well y-you may not know this, and I’m – I’m sure that you don’t know this, but MANY uh, uh, uh, Russian Jews, rather than going to Israel, have been going to Germany.  And so Germany has –

 

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SID:  a large Jewish population again!

 

DAVID:  Yeah; something is going on.  I-it’s a combination of the time we’re in, the Jewish people that are there.  You would think Germany would be the last country; –

 

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DAVID:  but without Germany getting revival, Europe in general will not get a European-wide move of God.  And because they’re main engine for the move of God, the Lord showed me they’re the heart.  And because they caused such destruction, there was a 70-year curse.  I was in Austria last year, and I’d prophesied – didn’t even know there was a prophecy about this, and I said, “The Lord shows me after 70 years, um, revival!”  And they said, “Did you know that’s what our prophets have been saying, that there’s a 70-year curse?”  Like Israel had a 70-year curse; after 70 years, they’d be freed from captivity, and it was.  And so the 70 years at the end of World War II just happened a few weeks ago in May; and I was there, at the 70-year mark!  I get into my hotel, and I see all these shows about Hitler and World War II, and I’m thinking, “Why would the Germans put this on there?  They usually don’t like to talk about this.”  And the Israeli President came to Germany, as a friend of Israel to say “We are friends”, “We are best friends”; and the Lord told me, “It’s going to all shift now; and even the shame that Germany” – and I’m seeing this as being a Jewish person, “but the shame that’s been on Germany is about to be lifted.  Their shame will no longer be all those Germans that killed the Jews.  It’s going to be those Germans who help Israel, who love the Jews, who love revival, who love the glory. Their shame is being lifted, and they are going to be one of the main spreaders of revival, and the best friends of Israel and Jewish people.”  That’s coming right now; the 70-year mark just occurred.  Watch Germany; you’re going to start to see major moves of God.

 

SID:  What is God showing you about judgment, revival, etc.?

 

DAVID:  Yeah.  I believe, when I asked the Lord about it, because you always hear prophecies, okay, “It’s all bad.” “It’s all good.”

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  The Lord told me it – “It depends on you and your house, and where you are.”  You know if you’re in sin, it’s not going to be good!  If you’re in revival, even if you’re in the midst of a country that’s being shaken, YOU could be blessed in the midst of it.  So the Lord showed me not to go into fear.  Do what He – you know, Joshua and Caleb; “There’s giants in the land!”  Yeah, in America, it’s bad in the natural.  And you could tune-in prophetically and only hear 2nd Heaven chatter.  So what I say is, 2nd Heaven chatter is you can have – be just prophetic enough to know the bad things that the enemy’s planning, and you – then you think, “Well that’s it; that’s the truth.”  But then you can go higher into the 3rd Heaven, and see God’s plan to COUNTERACT the devil’s plans, and you stay with THAT.  So some people are –

 

SID:  So – so what IS God’s plan?  I mean I want to know –

 

DAVID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  this 3rd – you’ve been in the 3rd Heaven, and you’ve heard the chatter there!  You’ve heard the chatter [CHUCKLES] where the devil is, –

 

DAVID:  Yes.

 

SID:  uh, about all the “doom and gloom”.

 

DAVID:  Yeah.

 

SID:  I want to know what’s God saying.

 

DAVID:  Well I believe “the books [have been] opened,” like Daniel said.  The books of the nations are open; and America’s up – at the court, like a national –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  and what it’s – it’s hanging in the balance, and it depends on the saints.  Nothing’s set in stone; it depends on the saints.  If we pray, seek His face, win the lost, win the Jew first, revival, repentance, we can shift it; and we can have the biggest move of God America’s ever seen.  But if the Church just sleeps during the harvest that’s about to hit, then we can lose everything.  So it’s one of those all-or-nothing times we have to REALLY go for it, right now.  And it was like that in the 1929 crash; it was like that in many times in U.S. history.  It was the worst of the worst, and God flipped it.  So I believe God can flip it, in the middle.  What looks like the worst thing that could hit America, could be the best; but it depends; it’s conditional, you know.  And I believe it could be even each state could be – some states could be totally in devastation; others could be totally revival and blessing.

 

SID:  Do you – do you have any uh  – beyond “it’s conditional,” uh, and beyond what you hope!

 

DAVID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  What do you think’s going to happen?

 

DAVID:  [GASPS] That’s a tough one. I have my – I have my inclinations.  I think what’s going to happen towards the end of this year, there’s going to be some interesting events that will hit the United States, that will REALLY wake-up the Church, and revival will start happening.  Then the enemy will try to do something to throw us of, like a surprise something.  And then if the Church keeps going with the move of God, we can shift it, and have revival.  But I believe it’s like it’s going to be good and bad colliding together at the same time.

 

SID:  And but you said something else that is even more important in my opinion.  And what David said is, no matter what happens, if you’re in the glory zone, and [CHUCKLES] your food is being multiplied – as a matter of fact, [CHUCKLES] I –

 

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SID: Uh David, I promised our people that you would pray.

 

DAVID:  Um hm.

 

SID:  Um, uh, just whatever God shows you, okay?

 

DAVID:  Yeah!  Let’s do it.

 

SID:  Would you do it now?

 

DAVID:  Well Father, in Jesus’ name, in Yeshua’s name, thank You for Your glory, Your presence that’s covering the studio, and covering the homes, that are listening in the cars, the iPhones, the iPods; wherever you’re listening, the presence of God’s all around you.  I can feel it on you.  And I just declare healing over your body.  I see stomach cancer being healed; I see fibromyalgia being healed.  I see also people with bald issues, God’s growing hair, in Jesus’ name.  I even see someone that’s dying right now, and I declare death be REVERSED, in Yeshua’s name, that “[You] will NOT die [and you] will live”, says the Lord.  Ears are opening up – deaf ears; I see skin disease – that new skin like a baby’s covering over; cataracts on your eyes and spots; I see also new teeth – holes that are being filled; crooked teeth be straight; in Yeshua’s name.  And any other miracle, like TMJ; I see being healed.  But if I don’t’ call out yours, just lay hands on your own body part, and thank the Lord, and then do an act, like get up and run, or do something you couldn’t do before.  Because as we’re calling these out, you know, the pool of Bethesda, whoever got in – while it was being stirred – got healed.  So just get in, even if I don’t give you a word, or Sid doesn’t give you a word.  But there’s an arm that’s being healed; you broke it, and it didn’t heal correctly.  There’s paralysis on your left leg; you can’t walk on it; you can’t feel; God’s healing your leg, right now.  And there’s many many more; bones in your feet that did not set correctly; bones in your feet are coming back into place – I feel like – like moving into place.

 

SID:  And speaking of bones in your feet, uh, God is showing me in your hands.  Whatever you need – carpal tunnel, uh, there’s pain – arthritic pain when you bend your fingers; uh, skin condition.  Anything you need in the hands, that is – that is yours.  And I also heard that people that have pain in their neck, and pain in their back.  But it’s really important for you to be a participant, a-and not just a spectator.  Uh, Christianity throughout the world has become a spectator sport; it’s not supposed to be.  You’re called to be front-and-center!  I mean this is the – the “last act” of the last play in history!  I REALLY want you equipped to move in the supernatural.  For the sake of the supernatural, absolutely not!  For the sake of the salvation of the world!  Because God’s “Plan A” for evangelism has always been demonstrated the Kingdom, and earn the right to introduce – whether it’s a Muslim, a Jewish person, a Hindu, an Atheist – into the Creator of the Universe, into knowing the Messiah of Israel.  And I would be remiss if I didn’t give you an opportunity.  “[T]his is eternal life, that [you might have experiential knowledge with] God.”  And by the way, ears are being opened.  I bind that spirit of deafness, and command it out of people, especially the spiritual ears.  “[T]his is eternal life, that [you might have experiential knowledge with Me]”, Jesus said; and that’s the original Greek.  If you will say this prayer.  You know, I didn’t even know this prayer.  Uh, [CHUCKLES] as a Jewish man, about ready to uh, go under for the third time, I prayed a one-word prayer, and – and gave up!  My prayer was, “Jesus”; you can do better than that.  I prayed “Jesus”, and He showed up.  I’m telling you this:  He may show up; He may just do everything He’s supposed to do and you won’t have one feeling; but we walk by faith.  We walk by faith.  And if you will say this prayer and believe it to the best of your ability, Jesus will forgive you of all of your sins, and be your Lord.  And live with you, and never leave you, or forsake you.  And give you a new beginning, and give you such supernatural peace.  You’ve been wanting this peace.  You’ve been wanting to sleep good.

 

Say this prayer with me.  Repeat it after me:  “Dear God”; say “Dear God, I’m a sinner.  Against You, and You alone, have I sinned.  And I’m so sorry.  I believe the blood of Jesus is more than enough; to not just cover my sins, but to remove them completely!  And in Jesus’ name, now that I am clean, I ask You, Jesus, to be my Lord.  Come into my clean vessel.  I’m so sorry for what I’ve – what I’ve done in the past.  But I have a new history; a new beginning.  As You say in Your Word, I am a new creation; I’m not going to look back anymore.  I make You Lord of every area of my life.  Amen.”  If you said that prayer, and you meant it, “God is not a man, that He should lie”; and, “All of [His] promises … are ‘Yes’ … and ‘So be it'”, in Yeshua’s name.  I say to you, Yeshua – those that said the prayer – is your Lord.  And start reading the Bible, find a congregation that teaches the Word, and get busy!  We’re in the most EXCITING time in the history of planet Earth!

SID: Now people are on the edge of their seat right now. So you start going up. It sounds, I’ve heard this story from others before, sort of like a tunnel you’re going through. What is this?

 

JIM: Well I got to about 1200 feet. I tilt my head and this beautiful golden circle appeared in the sky and then the center filled with gold, it opened and suddenly it was though I had put all the thrusters on the jet engines. I went zipping into this tunnel of light, which I’m sure many people have heard of, and I’m traveling at tremendous speed. I’m leaning back at about 45 degrees. I have an incredible sensation of speed. But typically you feel the wind in your face. There was wind and there was no rushing noise of the sound of travel, and no jet engines, and tremendous speed. I’ll bet, I’m guessing Mach 1, possibly. And within a very quick period of time I recognize that there’s a brilliant light at the end of this tunnel, I come to it, it’s covered in mist. I step out because I feel the tunnel closing behind me. I put my foot down, the mist cleared, I look down and I can’t believe it. I am standing on the most incredible green grass you could ever imagine. I now know where the saying comes from, “The grass is always greener on the side.” They’re talking about Heaven.

 

SID: But I’ve been told the colors are, it’s greener than any green we have here.

 

JIM: If we have a spectrum of colors on Earth, Heaven has 10,000 times, 10,000 more. It is a feast for the eyes.

 

SID: Okay. But then you see some darkness.

 

JIM: I look up from that beautiful grass that radiated light from underneath my feet and there is as though a dividing line. A median has been drawn in front of me. To the right there’s this beautiful mist-colored field. The mist is laying over it. We pilots call it ground effect. There’s beautiful flowers showing through it. But then to the left of that line, Sid, it was so different because that beautiful green grass went from green to brown, to scorched, to black and then dropped off in a crevasse. And I stepped forward and looked down into this cold black blackness, and then I saw something like a dim light at the bottom, like a light of fire, red fire. And suddenly I heard the strangest sound like two massive iron doors opening and screeching on hinges that had not be used in a long time. And suddenly emerging from those doors was the most hideous creature you could ever imagine. Hollywood could never duplicate what I saw. So I’m looking. I can’t believe, I see this thing coming out and suddenly I’m assailed by this horrific smell that comes out of that pit, an odor of death and decay, and of things long dead, things that should never see the light of day. And it gazed up at me and when its fiery eyes looked at me it started to make its way up the wall of that pit. But its body, Sid, was formed of like a rolling mass of dark cloud with a face of it. And I heard the most horrific things, something screaming within the body of this creature. And then what absolutely horrified me was I heard my name, my name being called. This creature knew me. It knew me and it was coming for me, and I was terrified. I mean, I want to tell you I stood there and wanted to do battle. I was terrified. And it reared up under that pit over me and the most hideous face imaginable, massive in its size, snarled at me. And there was this feeling of an anticipation of glee that it couldn’t wait to get its claws on me. And I was so horrified I turned from the darkness toward the light. We are creatures of the Light. And I automatically turned toward the Light, and when I did I sensed this creature, its breath on the back of my neck, the stench of its breath and I felt a sharp claw move down my back. And it was at that point, remember I said there are six words in the prayers of my family that make it possible for me to be here today, and the first three words I cried out in the truck, “God forgive me!” In my absolute terror, and I had no reason to expect any help from God, I turned myself toward that mist with that creature breathing up my back, and I looked at both hands and I cried out, “God help me! Help me!” And Sid, instantly three stars appeared in that mist like distant points of light, but coming rapidly toward me, and I focused on them to keep my mind off what was snarling behind me because I could hear the saliva from his jaws dropping on the ground behind me. And I concentrated on those lights. They came so rapidly, Sid, incredible speed. My pilot instincts took over. I was afraid they were going to make too fast a landing, but they did a beautiful job. They took form. They were angels. As they approached me, this beautiful light fluttered over me, went beyond me and struck that creature. And when the light of the angels struck the creature it scrambled back down in that hole like a rat running for cover. God had heard the cry of someone that had never turned to him in his life.

 

SID: When we come back I want Jim to share about what Jesus as well as the angels have: transferrable sticky love. I’ve never heard about sticky love. Have you?

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth here with “Something More”.  And why do I say “Something More”?  Because we have twice as much time as our television show!  And so many people write me and say, “Sid, your show is too short!”  So that’s why we have “Something More”.  It’s also a lot more informal and – and you NEVER KNOW what I’m going to ask, or what my guests like Cherie Calbom is going to say.  Cherie Calbom, known affectionately as “The Juice Lady”, …

 

SID:  uh, and we keep talking about her book, “The Anti-Inflammation Diet:  28 Days to Restore Your Body and Feel Great”.  Uh Cherie, what are some of the symptoms that would let someone know they have chronic inflammation?

 

CHERIE:  Oh chronic inflammation is called “the silent killer”, …

 

CHERIE:  so until um so dis-ease in your body pops up, you usually don’t know you have it.  Uh, but if you’re diagnosed with anything …

 

CHERIE:  uh, you’ve got it.  Anything – even migraine headaches – to any kind of dis-ease, [CLEARS THROAT] whether it’s heart disease, diabetes, cancer, fibromyalgia, joint pain, rheumatoid arthritis, um, lupus, scleroderma; on and on it goes.

 

SID:  I-i-it’s hard to …

 

CHERIE:  Any kind of disease.

 

SID:  It’s hard to believe that even joint plain – pain, if you get rid of the inflammation, you can get rid of the pain!

 

CHERIE: Exactly!  And you know, it’s pain that so often I hear about first off.  When people get on the anti-inflammation diet, they lose the pain.  In about a week, many people e um start emailing me saying, “Wow!  How could this be, Cherie!”

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  “How could I be uh losing this pain – the pain subsiding – this quickly?”  But it does, because the diet – and I’ve got recipes, meals plans – breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  And even if you don’t want to juice, you don’t have to, but follow the meal plan and eat the anti-inflammatory foods, you’re going to notice a HUGE difference.  I’ve heard from people – headaches gone, back pain, join pain, wrist pain, ankle pain, knee pain, uh, plantar fasciitis gone.  Uh, you name it, and I hear from them.  I …

 

SID:  You mean I can throw – I can throw my orthotics out?

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  We don’t know for sure [LAUGHS].

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES] Okay, I’m teasing!

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  But no!  But it – well, that’s what – why you wear orthotics, if you have that!  Uh, but uh, y-you …

 

CHERIE:  Yes.

 

SID:  uh, according to my notes, uh, you said that humans kind of cope with being sub-normal because they think it’s normal.  What do you mean by that?

 

CHERIE:  Yes.  The first person that said to me, my light bulbs went on.  She said, “I’ve been talking to people at church”, she – she’s been in my program – my weekly program – and she said, “I’ve been talking to people at church, and they are just accepting things like um, a headache occasionally, uh insomnia occasionally, cold or flu that happens a couple of times a year, uh, indigestion.  And uh, maybe u-uh, uh constipation; on and on.”  Just – they call them “little things”, and “it’s normal”, and we – you just go to the drugstore and get something over-the counter.  And she said, “These people all think all this stuff is normal”, and she said, “I got on your program, and I don’t have any of that stuff anymore!”

 

SID:  Hm!

 

CHERIE:  “And to me, it doesn’t seem normal!”  And she said, “I think they’re settling for sub-optimal health.”  I said, “You’ve got it.  They are, because you don’t have to suffer from ANY of that stuff.  Even the things you think are just ‘uh’, just ‘little stuff’, and ‘it’s normal’, and ‘I just have it once and awhile’, you can be free of all of that.”

 

SID:  Okay, I’m going to ask you something that is going to ASTOUND those that are watching this show or listening to it.  And that is uh [TSK], what about people that take cholesterol medicines; uh they’re having plaque buildup?  Uh, is this the real cause of heart disease?

 

CHERIE:  No.  Cholesterol is not the real cause of heart disease.  The body makes cholesterol; it was designed by God as a covering for wounds.  Uh, if we didn’t have cholesterol, we’d cut ourselves and we might just continue bleeding until we died.  So it is – i-it is sent to plug-up a wound, and um, bring a scab, and bring about healing.  What is causing the problem – at the root – and I found a – a kn- – a well-known cardiologist who said this:  “If you didn’t have inflammation in your arteries creating some kind of a wound, you wouldn’t have cholesterol building up there.  It would just flow on freely through, like it was designed to do.  But when you have these irritations or uh wounds in – in the blood vessels, then cholesterol WILL start doing what it was designed by God to do; create a – a little mound over that, and it will build up and buildup, and that’s what cuts off the blood supply.”  So it is imperative.

 

SID:  Uh but wait – b-but wait a second.  I – I go to doctors, and they say they want me to go on medicine for cholesterol.  Uh, did the statistics prove – uh because the doctors are pushing me so hard – I’ll be better off if I go on this medicine, and I get my cholesterol down, with the medicine?

 

CHERIE:  Y-you won’t, uh, because here’s the deal.  The Wynn Institute did a study, and found that about uh half the people that died of heart attack – heart disease – had LOW cholesterol.  And it wasn’t high cholesterol; it was something else.  And so the measurements now, if you’re really going to a doctor that is in the know holistic, they measure homocysteine levels, inflammation levels, um uh with C-reactive protein, is one that they can measure some inflammation.

 

SID:  And now m-most Christians – m-most people have never heard of C-reactive protein, and uh – uh, a-and homocysteine.  I mean these are just NAMES.  Uh, do you recommend people test that?

 

CHERIE:  Yes; absolutely.  And find a – a doctor that will do that, because that’s going to give you a truly accurate profile of what’s going on in your body, that could be leading you to heart disease, which is our #1 killer in America.  But getting that inflammation down, that will bring your homocysteine levels down, it will bring your C-reactive protein down, it will bring down interleukin 6, another measurement.  And that is your answer!  That is your key!  Um, to just keep manipulating the body with drugs, the – the body is going to continue making cholesterol, because that’s how God designed it to be.

 

SID:  Okay, let me ask you about ME.  And I’ll take a personal question.  I eat out a lot.  Uh, I’m not going to be able to follow this if I eat out, or could I?

 

CHERIE:  You can.  And uh, several things.  Choose lots of vegetables; choose salads, don’t get a cream-based dressing for your salad.

 

SID:  What’s – what’s wrong with the cream-based uh dressing?  Uh they taste good!

 

CHERIE:  It tastes great, …

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  and people love it, [CHUCKLES] like the bleu cheese and ranch dressings …

 

SID:  Uh huh.

 

CHERIE:  and so forth [LAUGHS].  But, for many people – I’m not saying everyone; and I can’t point to a study on this – but for many people, eating a lot of dairy, and people do eat a lot of dairy – the cheeses, and the dressings like that, and um, other dairy products – it creates a lot of mucus in the body, um for many people.  I’m not saying everyone, but uh, that can contribute to inflammation.  So it – get a – another kind of dressing; an olive oil and uh lemon juice or vinegar-based, or …

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

CHERIE:  balsamic vinegar-based dressing.  Choose broiled fish or baked chicken when you eat out, and lots of vegetables.  And skip the baked potato with the sour cream and butter and things like that.  So that’s what – what you want to do um, to really um help yourself as you eat out.  Also, soups and stews that are vegetable-based are very very good as well; so you can eat out.  I’ve travelled a lot, and HAD to make it work.  And even running through the airport, which I know you do Sid …

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  I do quite a bit – you can still find salads, or you can find a restaurant where you can get something that is a more healthy choice.  We don’t have to have the burgers and the french fries and the pasta and the pizza, and all those things that we kind of associate often with eating out, plus the fried foods, you know, the fried fish, and the uh, uh tempura things, and all the fried things we can avoid, and make it work.

 

SID:  Okay Cherie, what would you call the single-most important thing to get rid of inflammation in the body?  Uh, single-most important food item that we should have?

 

CHERIE:  That we should have:  Vegetables.  Uh, if I could get you on – everybody listening, if I could get you on …

 

CHERIE:  vegetables – at least 7 servings a day – that would alkalize your body.  We are way too acidic, uh, typically.  A typical American is way too acidic from all of the – the uh American foods, and that’s why …

 

CHERIE:  I go back to juicing.  If you really want a powerhouse of food, of alkalinity, and nutrients coming into your body, to really energize you and give you that vibrant health, juicing is going to be uh, a real key.  But if you can’t do that, just really up your vegetables.  And you can have them in every form, from salads and raw things; and maybe you’ve got a blender and you could do a green smoothie.  Um, you can do soups, and stews, and stir frys, and steamed vegetables, and lots of salads.  Get those vegetables in your diet.

 

SID:  Uh Cherie, tell me about Lois, who watched “It’s Supernatural!” last time you were on.  And she had rheumatoid arthritis; a lot of people have that.  What happened to her?

 

CHERIE:  She had been bedridden for almost a year; could only get up with a walker or – or um, uh be um pushed in a wheelchair.

 

VIDEO:  SID:  You – WHY?

 

CHERIE:  You know, because I love the King of kings, and He’s called me to do this.

 

CHERIE:  And um she saw your show, Sid, and was so encouraged.  It gave her hope, that there might be an answer for her condition.  She got on my program – on the juicing – and she did a short juice fast of a-about two and-a-half days, and uh some raw foods to start off with – vegetable foods, and finished with a – a – about a couple of days of raw foods.  And this is so miraculous; on about the 4th day, um into her program, she was able to walk without a walker, was able to stand up straight.

 

SID:  Yeah.

 

CHERIE:  Her daughter was always saying, “Mom!  Stand up straight.”

 

SID:  W-w-wait.  You’re saying in that – you know – Cherie.  You’re saying in that short a period of TIME?

 

CHERIE:  Yes indeed, and she has shared her story now.  In fact, even Charisma printed it in [CHUCKLES] the January issue.

 

SID:  Uh, you know anyone – ANYONE – could do THAT!  That sounds pretty simple!

 

CHERIE:  Yes.

 

SID:  T-tell me about this tw- – uh – uh – tell me about why you designed …

 

SID:  the “28 Days to Restore Your body … Feel Great”, and get rid of inflammation?

 

CHERIE:  As I’ve counseled people um, people actually from all over the world have contacted me who are …

 

CHERIE:  in need of some help, physically.  And I would always say to them, “Because any disease, any illness, inflammation is at the core.”  I would say, “You need to be on an anti-inflammation diet”, and they’d say, “What’s that?” [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  And then wh-wh- – “Where do I start?”, you know, “We need recipes”; everybody needs recipes when we’re making a change.  “And we’ve got our old ways that we need to toss out, and we need to clean our pantry out.  And now what do we do, and how do we shop?”  So in uh the 28-day program, “The Anti-Inflammation Diet”, I teamed up …

 

CHERIE:  with Chef Abby, and we’ve got fabulous, delicious recipes – breakfast, lunch and dinner – with shopping lists.

 

CHERIE:  Uh, tips on how to prepare your food, how to uh cut corners in the kitchen to make things easier for you; how to make extra meal uh portions for meals and freeze some, so on really busy days, instead of going to the fast food restaurant, you’ve got something to pull out, and you can have a really good meal.  So I’ve got recipes to make it easy for you, delicious, fun.  You don’t have to white-knuckle it; you don’t have to feel deprived.  And here’s another thing:  You can enjoy that VIBRANT health that GOD wants you to have!  He WANTS us to be whole, He WANTS us to be healthy, and He DOESN’T want to see His children sick.

 

SID:  Okay, uh, this exclusive uh devotional …

 

SID:  that ties right in with the 28- uh day inflammation diet, uh, you say it’ll help you throw-off everything that binds you!  Why do you say that?

 

CHERIE:  So often I have talked with people who are so discouraged.  They’re in worry and fear, and fear can lead to panic even, as we know.  And they are just trapped and in bondage in their souls because of things going wrong in their bodies.  And the discouragement that the enemy um puts on people, I’ve found really needs to be thrown-off.  And so it is vital that as you go through this program, that you strengthen your spirit, that you strengthen your soul; that God sent His Word to heal us, and He sent His Word to empower us.  And as you feel your spirit and your soul rising up and grabbing onto the Scriptures – onto His Word – and you begin to declare those day-in and day-out, you’ll feel STRONGER to make the right decisions and to say, “I’m believing God!  I’m trusting God!  I’m doing my part, and I’m reading His Word day-by-day”, and the devotional; it’s 28-days to wholeness is my devotional.  And day-by-day you’re learning and you’re growing.  And uh, in there I’ve got practical tips, day-by-day, things you can do right now, and that’s what everybody wants, “What can I do RIGHT NOW, to begin to make a difference …

 

SID:  Cherie, …

 

CHERIE:  in my health and my life?”

 

SID: in about one-minute, tell me why stress is bad for us?  What I’ve noticed is whenever you go to the doctor, no matter what’s wrong, they say, “It’s stress” [CHUCKLES] you know?

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] Yes!  Stretch – stress [CHUCKLES], it’s kind of a catch-all word today, but it does apply.  It is true, most of us are so busy.  We have so many things on our plate; we don’t know how to get it all done.  We worry about it; it keeps us …

 

CHERIE:  awake at night.  But what is “stress”?  It is that mindset – or that busyness – that – that creates chemical reactions in our body.

 

CHERIE:  And so as we are stressed-out, um, things are going to go up.  Cortisol, for one, goes up; and that deposits – for some people …

 

SID:  Uh, I – I’ll tell you what.

 

CHERIE:  um weight around the mid-section.

 

SID:  We – we’re about ready uh take a break.  We’ll pick up, because this is very important, you know.  You know, I’ve – a doctor explained to me – I said – when he – he said, uh I had too much stress, I explained to the doctor, “I don’t have stress; I LOVE what I do!”  And – and they said, “Well you don’t understand!  You could have GOOD stress from GOOD things, but it’s BAD for your body!  The body can’t distinguish between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ stress.”  So, I can’t wait to get into your hands uh …

 

SID:  the first book – brand-new – “Anti-Inflammation Diet:  28 Days to Restore Your Body and Feel Great”; uh, the exclusive “28-Day Journey to Wholeness” devotional; uh, “Remedies for Stress and Adrenal Fatigue”, we haven’t even got into that yet; “Remedies for Asthma and Allergies”.  Are you troubled with allergies?  Did you know, you get your body working right; you don’t have to PUT UP with this stuff!  There’s a “new normal” to have ENERGY, to be HEALTHY!  So I want to make all 4 books – some – uh one of them, we have exclusive, the other is BRAND-new – for an investment of $49.  I say “investment” because “[H]e who wins souls is wise.”  And that’s the purpose of my life; that’s the purpose of “Something More”.  Now, when we come back,  I want to find out about stress and adrenal fatigue.  You need to find out too.  Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Most Bible believers know that the Bible is filled with promises from God and they know that it’s for them. But there is a disconnect between knowing that and the manifestation of your healing, the manifestation of your loved one coming to know the Messiah, the manifestation of that job you’ve been believing God for, that career you’ve been. There seems to be year after year, after year, I’m a believer, but it’s not manifesting. My guest went to Heaven and received supernatural wisdom, a gift, and he wants to teach you how the promises of God are so pregnant and ready to be manifested now. Well my guest is Steven Brooks and I had him as my special teacher on one of my trips to Israel, and for the first time in my life, I smelled supernatural aromas. It was beautiful in Israel, but it’s different now. I don’t know about any of you at home or in the studio audience, but the minute you sat down, I began to smell frankincense, I believe.

 

STEVEN: Yes. It is the presence of the Lord. Now whenever you’re smelling frankincense, Sid.

 

SID: I do.

 

STEVEN: It means that the blessings of God, God’s very best blessings will manifest in your life.

 

SID: I take it! How about you? You take it, too. Okay. Now you’re one of these guys that provoke me to jealousy. You said this year you were caught up into Heaven and someone I had never heard of, but then I studied, greeted you when you got Heaven. Who was that?

 

STEVEN: Well I was praying in my bedroom on my knees, Sid, and I went into a vision, and the next thing I knew I was going up, up, up and I was in Heaven, and I was greeted by a person, I would describe him as a tour guide who was going to show me around the heavenly realm, it was Joseph of Cupertino. This man had a tremendous walk with the Lord and he was known in church history as a man who would be lifted up by the spirit and would fly. And this man took me all over Heaven, flying. We went around mountains, over mountains, across beautiful rivers and we arrived in the City of God. Our feet came down and he introduced me to somebody I have never met before. I have read about the 24 elders in the Book in Revelation and he introduced me to one of the 24 elders. And he had a golden scepter in his hand that was about six feet long, and at the top of the scepter there was a red ruby that was cut and faceted, and polished. And he took that scepter and he leaned it forward towards me, and the tip with the ruby went right into my chest. He put it right into my chest, and he said, “You haven’t been sleeping good.” And I said, “That’s right.” And he put that scepter into my chest, and I felt the love of God, the warmth of God. God’s healing power went into my chest. And I know there’s no timeframe in Heaven, but it seemed like he held it there for about two minutes. And he seemed like he was up to something than just, more than me receiving a healing from God.

SID: Let me just take him a step further. The ruby, he found out, signifies wisdom, and when he we got back to Earth he started operating in wisdom that he never had before. Tell me about, say a business decision since you got this wisdom. What happened?

 

STEVEN: Well it was interesting, Sid, because there was a venture I wanted to be involved in. And I talked to the Lord about it and gave the Lord many good reasons why he thought he should give me a thumbs up to move forward on this. And I said, “Lord, this is good. There’s nothing wrong with it.” And getting list after list about why I thought these are justifiable reasons. And so I just presented it to the Lord and waited for a response. In the meantime, I had done some prayer and fasting, and when I came off that fast the Holy Spirit just reminded me to ask again to get the final answer. I said, “Oh Lord, by the way, what about that question I had asked you about that venture I wanted to get involved in?” And Sid, the presence of the Lord came with that wisdom. Wherever there’s the presence, there’s the person. So the Lord came with his wonderful presence. I immediately grabbed the Bible and the Bible randomly opened, and it fell to a page where the Holy Spirit seemed to lift up in 3D the verse off the page. I couldn’t see any other verses. I just saw that verse. And to paraphrase it loosely, the verse basically said, “Do not do this. It will be a distraction from you and draw your attention away from me.”

 

SID: I want you to start pressing into that wisdom right now and you say we all need a revelation of faith. What do you mean by that, for the manifestations to occur?

 

STEVEN: Yes, because a revelation really is an unveiling. It’s something where you pull the curtain back and you see it for the first time. It’s been there the whole time, but for the first time we’re actually seeing the importance, the value of something that God puts tremendous emphasis on. So faith comes by a revelation of its tremendous ability to change your life. So whether it’s a healing, whether it’s God touching your finances, all of the blessings of God are accessed through faith. And so when you release your faith and know the potential that Jesus said, “All things are possible to him who believes,” you think, wow, I want to do some specific believing and produce some specific manifestations.

 

SID: The Bible talks about different levels of faith and they talk about people with little faith.

 

STEVEN: Yes.

 

SID: And many people, if they’re honest, they’d say I have little faith. Is there hope?

 

STEVEN: Yes and I think we have to be honest. We have to appropriately measure our current faith level. It’s like an athlete going into the gym and the person’s lifting 200 pounds over their head. And so somebody might say, I can’t do that. That’s okay. The thing is if you want to, we can take you there. There are training principles, there are nutritional guidelines, there are things that we can do to increase your strength, and there people lifting over 500 pounds over their head. So it works the same way with faith. You can develop your faith. You may not be able to lift it in your current place, but you say, I can’t lift that now, but I believe that my faith level is going to grow to the point where I can lift this and take hold of that promise of God, and as you get stronger you will, and you’ll be able to see that all things are possible to him who believes.

SID: You know, when we come back I’m going to have Steven share some supernatural wisdom on manifesting God’s blessings. Some will surprise you.

SID: You know, you’re the first I’ve heard to prophesy this, but you say God showed you raising the dead will be commonplace, for not just Jeff Jansen, but for you, for everyone watching us right now. Commonplace?

 

JEFF: Commonplace. Romans 8:11 says, “If that same spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead lives in you, he will also bring to life your short-lived imperishable bodies by that resurrection spirit that’s in you.” If Christ is in us it’s the spirit of resurrection power. We were commanded by Jesus in Matthew, Chapter 10, Verses 8, 9, 10, he said, “As you go, preach,” saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is right here at hand. Now heal the sick, don’t pray for the sick. Heal the sick. Raise the dead to command. Don’t pray for the dead, raise the dead. Drive out demons, cleanse those that are lepers. Freely you’ve received kingdom power, resurrection power and authority, freely give it away.” It’s not just for the elites, it’s for everybody. I believe that God is raising up a Glory generation.

 

SID: What does that mean?

 

JEFF: A Glory generation simply means this, people that are so filled with the Glory of God, so filled with the presence of God.

 

SID: Do I have to put a stop on them, otherwise they’ll just keeping going?

 

JEFF: They just release kingdom power and authority and they are Christian, but they’re more than just in name only. They literally are sons and daughters of God and they recognize it.

 

SID: What does that really mean? I hear it rattled off  with your mouth. What does it mean to be a son and daughter of God?

 

JEFF: It means that God is my father. I’m part of a supernatural family. You’re part of a supernatural family. Every one of you that are watching, if you’re born again and you have Jesus Christ in your life, you’re part of a supernatural family. We have a father and we have an older brother, a supernatural brother. We are part of a supernatural family. I am not just Christian in name, I’m a son. I have a father and an older brother who paid an incredible price in blood for me to be able to move just like he did and even do greater miracles than him. That’s what he said.

 

SID: All right. I know the scripture. The Messiah said, “You will do the same works that I have done and even greater.” What do you figure is the greater? I mean, if the dead are raised, the blind see, the people in wheelchairs get up and walk, what is greater?

 

JEFF: Well here we are doing a show called It’s Supernatural, which is an incredible show. People all around the world watch it. And we’re doing the show It’s Supernatural because there’s a supernatural generation. It’s a generation that does miracles, that even do greater miracles than what Jesus did, not because the things that he did were not, they were amazing. It’s just that we’re a generation where new things are always happening. God is creative. Power is being released. Authority is being released. Jesus in his short time here only did a little bit of the supernatural, the miraculous, but what about a whole generation moving in greater works, in greater miracles, in greater signs and wonders. God is always doing it. We can’t produce it, but he does it by his spirit through his people.

 

SID: You know what I’ve been seeing for a long time, Jeff, is the realm of creative miracles, someone without an eyeball, the eyeball materializing. Tell me one creative miracle you’ve seen.

 

JEFF: I was just in Peru and I’ll share this story. There was a man there about 70 years old in this campaign. There were thousands and thousands of people there. I basically stood up and I did exactly what I did in Tanzania. We released a shout and the Glory of God fell in Lima, Peru. This man had cancer in his eyes. One eye was completely taken out. The eyeball was gone and was sewn shut. The other one was leaking. It was completely blind. It was leaking lesions and things. He was scheduled to have that one taken out. When the Glory of God, the power of God fell in that meeting he received healing. He received his sight back. Even when the eye was gone, he could see through the eyelid that was sewn shut.

 

SID: That sounds impossible.

 

JEFF: It does sound impossible. That’s exactly right, but it is possible.

 

SID: All right. I want everyone that is hungry for what Jeff operates in, hungry to know your Father, hungry to know the Messiah of Israel, pray for us whatever God shows you.

 

JEFF: Lord, I want to thank you for everybody that’s watching and is connected to this right now. And Lord, I want to thank you that we can know you and we do know you. So Holy Spirit, I want to thank you for touching people, touching the millions and millions of people that are watching this right, touch them right now. Holy Spirit, I want to thank you. I see a man with cancer right now and I see cancer in the blood and you’re watching this right now. You were diagnosed with cancer in the blood. I can see it right now and Jesus Christ is healing you. I bind that demon. I bind that sickness and that disease, and the Glory of God is touching and healing you right now. I see other conditions like with eyes. I see glaucoma, that’s what it is, I see glaucoma in the eyes, I see astigmatisms and things like that, even blindness that God is healing right now. But for those of you that are watching right now and you’re hungry, you’ve been connecting with what’s being communicated, what’s been shared today, you’re sensing, Jeff, I’m hungry for the presence of God. I’m hungry for the Glory of God. I want to be close to the Lord. I want to have the same encounters. You can. And I want to pray for you right now. I want you to extend your hand because I’m going to release this impartation. Lord, I want to thank you for the hunger. You said, “Blessed are those who are hungry, blessed are those who hunger and thirst for they shall be filled. They shall be satisfied.” Lord, I thank you for holy, holy hunger and for everyone that’s hungry for you, Lord, you promised to satisfy them. I pray for an impartation, an activation. I pray for miracles, signs, wonders, of visitations right now and having encounters with you, Jesus Christ. Lord, I pray right now, Holy Spirit, lift them into that precious, precious secret place of your presence where you reward those who hotly come after you. I pray that impartation on them now. I pray for fresh dreams, fresh visions, fresh signs and wonders, a fresh place in you. Here’s what the Lord is telling me now: The old door is closing and there is brand new door that’s opening for you today, a brand new place opening by the Holy Spirit for you today. The old is gone, the new is here in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.

 

SID: And I have a word for you: Don’t look back. New beginning.

SID: Now Rod, you say it all started with a promise.

ROD: Yes.

SID: When 11 Jewish men were looking up in the sky and it started with a promise.

ROD: Can you imagine that moment? These men had walked with him. They watched him wipe the blindness from Bartimaeus’s eyes. They watched him stop the woman’s issue of blood. They watched him walking on the water, at Jairus’ house, raising the dead. And then everything went awry. They saw him nailed to that cross. It was finished. They wrapped him in grave clothes. They put him in the borrowed tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. He was dead and they knew it. Everyone knew it. And then suddenly on the third day the stone got rolled away. He appeared to them again. And then just as quickly they saw him rise from Mt. Olivet overlooking the Kidron Valley. They saw him become smaller and smaller, and smaller until he vanished out of sight. And an angel came and declared, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye here gazing? This same Jesus,” not a different one, “this same Jesus,” exact in every essential detail and quality, “this same Jesus that you see go away shall come again in like manner.” Now think about that. A lot today would want us to believe that we’re going to metamorphosize our way into the coming of Christ. Look, he came with a shout, he got up with a shout and he’s coming back with a shout and that promise he will come again is assured today as it was when those 22 eyes watched him leave Mt. Olivet. He will come again in like manner as we have seen him go.

SID: Okay, that begs a question. The most graphic book for the End Times, the most graphic is called the Book of Revelation.

ROD: Yes.

SID: Why is it that so many Christians bypass that book or they bypass it for two reasons, one, they don’t understand it and they’re pragmatic.

ROD: Right.

SID: Because they can’t understand it. I’m not going to waste my time.

ROD: Right.

SID: Or they think it’s so filled with fear and gloom, and doom, and darkness that they don’t want to touch it. Why is it?

ROD: Well I think it’s because we as Christian ministers have, we put the em-pháh-sis on the wrong sil-law-bel. We put the emphasis on the wrong syllable. We’re looking at the wrong thing. This is not the revelation of the Antichrist. This is not the revelation of three-headed, four-headed frog beast. This is the revelation of Jesus Christ of Nazareth given to his servant John on the Island of Patmos, 50 miles off the coast of Ephesus with nothing but wild beasts for company.

SID: You know, when I heard you teach on the Book of Revelation, you did something that I didn’t see before. You put together a timeline.

ROD: Right.

SID: And as people understand the timeline and just the brief teaching on some of the things going on, I believe anyone can read the Book of Revelation with understanding from Heaven, but it must be important because it’s the only book that promises a blessing.

ROD: Yes.

SID: And maybe that’s why so many people are blocked from reading it because the devil doesn’t want them to have a blessing.

ROD: That’s it. Go ahead and preach, Sid. Preach on. That’s absolutely it. The devil attacked my vocal chords because he didn’t want me to speak. The devil attacks our desire for the Book of Revelation because it’s our book. It’s the finale. So the adversary wants you to be fearful today of what’s coming next. God recorded the End Time for us, let us know exactly what’s going to happen and told us we win. So all you have to do is read it.

SID: So you don’t see it as a book of gloom and doom, you see it as a book of victory.

ROD: Look, the church of Jesus Christ is not even seen in a book of revelation on Earth after Revelation, Chapter 2. It’s about God’s determined dealings, which you love so much, with the Nation of Israel. The seven years of tribulation is not for believers. Three and half years of tribulation, three and half years of great tribulation like the world has never seen. But we’ll be in Heaven faster than a flea who struck the pavement, faster than a wheel ever turned upon an axle. The magnificent magnitude of Christ perfect person sweeping out, can you imagine it, from north to south and east to west. It won’t matter where you are if you’re born again.

SID: Now you’re talking about an immediate transition. Explain.

ROD: Immediate. I often when I’m preaching tell folks to do this, just as quick as you can blink your eye, absent from the body, present with the Lord. God said, “Before your mind, your brain can transmit the electrical impulse for you to say my name I’ll be there.” Before. That fast he’s coming. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.

SID: Did you know that when John saw Jesus on the throne he didn’t just say one throne, he saw many. Want to know who was on the other thrones? The answer will shock and surprise many of you. Stay with us.

SID:                 Hello. Sid Roth with Something More! And some of you say why Something More? Because all of you have been saying for It’s Supernatural television I wish Sid had some more time! So this is it! This is the answer to your prayers. Something More! And we’re gonna have fun because my special guest is Rabbi Jonathan Bernis but I don’t call him Rabbi, I just call him Jonathan because I’ve known him… How long have I known…

 

JONATHAN:    I prefer that, by the way.

 

SID:                 I know.

 

JONATHAN:    Thank you, Sid.

 

SID:                 How long have we known each other?

 

JONATHAN:    We met in 1983. So what is that? 32 years ago?

 

SID:                 That is, that’s a long…

 

JONATHAN:    That’s a long time!

 

SID:                 Long time. But my fondest memory of you is when you were a Messianic Rabbi in Rochester New York I would go up there for weekends or three-day retreats with you and we would pray in supernatural languages, in tongues. And I am not 90%, I am 100% convinced that you and I were praying our futures and we didn’t even have a clue when that was going on.

 

JONATHAN:    Absolutely! I’m sure that’s the case also.

 

SID:                 And you broke into something called…by the way you’ll find that if you touch this mic…

 

JONATHAN:    I won’t touch it.

 

SID:                 Don’t you…

 

JONATHAN:    I’m not going anywhere near there again.

 

SID:                 All right, good! You started doing something that I had seen before and I thought was pretty weird but I knew it was God but it was so weird and the reason it was weird is no one was doing it. You know if you’ve never seen something of God it looks weird because you know it applies to your computer, what you’ve got inside of here.

But it’s called travail. What is your definition of travail?

 

JONATHAN:    Well the way that I understand travail, and by the way this came as a real surprise. This is nothing that I drummed up.

 

SID:                 By the way…

 

JONATHAN:    Or did by force of will.

 

SID:                 By the way, I know Jonathan. He’s such a conservative guy it’s the last thing that he would have done. (laughing)

JONATHAN:    That’s true. But it was really a God thing. I was overcome with I would just call it ôthe burden of the Lord.ö The scripture talks quite a bit about the burden of the Lord at different, with different people at different times in history and I was overcome with the burden of the Lord and I was praying in tongues, other tongues, and then that wasn’t enough. The force, the intensity of the, of the sense of unction was so great that I just began to groan and, and sounds came out of my mouth, Sid, that I had never heard before and I connect this to the statement in Romans 8 where it talks about ôcreation groaning.ö Actually groaning and I believe that it’s a creative force. We are groaning to bring about a restoration. We’re groaning to bring about God’s plan for the world and in this case God’s specific plan for my life as it applied to His plan of redemption, specifically my destiny and out came these strange sounds.

 

SID:                 And here’s the thing that I have never thought, I have never said publicly. Why? Because it just came to me at this moment. Jonathan and I had the high privilege, God spoke to Jonathan, told him to do an evangelistic outreach for Jewish people. Never been done before. Never! In St. Petersburg Russia. And I went with him on the first meeting and at this first meeting Jonathan and I saw something that it, it was beyond my wildest expectations.

 

JONATHAN:    Both of ours and it was, it was being, we were at the right place at the right time and Sid, I believe that there’s dotted lines that connect back to our times of fasting and prayer together.

 

SID:                 That’s what I’m saying!

 

JONATHAN:    …and our travail, and what we saw in 1993 was a 4000 seat concert hall, the Oktyabrskiy Concert Hall filled every night consecutively for three nights, 4000 people standing room only. People that were turned away because of the crowds were so great and when we gave the altar calls you could feel this tractor beam coming on and almost the whole auditorium filled with Jewish people would come down the aisles. Running down the aisles.

 

SID:                 Oh! He just said the key word. They were running to be saved! Now here’s the thing I have never said publicly.   I’ve never even thought or had on my radar. It wasn’t what we just said. And this is for Jonathan as well as for everyone that’s watching right now. Jonathan told me that this travail went away. It birthed something. It was almost like you know I see travail, Jonathan, as a woman giving birth to a child. It was…

 

JONATHAN:    I do too.

 

SID:                 That’s what, that’s what was going on.

 

JONATHAN:    I do too.

 

SID:                 We were giving birth.

 

JONATHAN:    It’s birth pangs.

 

SID:                 This move of God among Jewish people back, what year was that?

 

JONATHAN:    1993.

 

SID:                 It was in ‘93. Okay. Since that time Jonathan has not moved into this travail except he just told me before we started this television show I’m going into travail. All of a sudden it’s starting again! Would you like to know why it’s starting again, Jonathan?

 

JONATHAN:    I’m ready to hear. I think I know but…

 

SID:                 I know you know.

 

JONATHAN:    Tell me.

 

SID:                 …but they don’t know.

 

JONATHAN:    Something new is happening (laughing)

 

SID:                 …that I know you know but I know and we’ll tell them how to know. This is what it is. (laughing) We’re about ready to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history, the greatest awakening in the world and it started with the Jew 2000 years ago and it’s going to start with the Jew again. We are going to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. I have no doubt. You don’t have to get your stones to stone me if it’s a false word because it’s not a false word. It’s true! Let every man be a liar but God’s Word is true! This is the fullness of the Gentile age. This is the maturity of the Gentiles. This is the set time to favor Zion. Jonathan, you know anything to do with Israel and Jewish people isà God says the Jewish people are the apple of His eye and this is the moment! It’s not that God loves Jews more than Gentile Christians or vice versa. It’s let God be God…

 

JONATHAN:    That’s right!

 

SID:                 …and this is God’s moment for Israel. God’s moment for Jewish people. And I have to ask you something.

 

JONATHAN:    The set time to favor Zion, Sid, is here. It is here. We are in the period known as at the ôEnd of Daysö and just as it began with the Jewish people it finishes with the Jewish people and we’re seeing this all over. The restoration of Israel. The restoration of Jerusalem in 1967   directly connected to an outpouring of the Spirit and now we’re in the final wrap-up. And the Gospel is now going again to the Jewish people and from the Jewish people. The power of God is being poured out and it will get greater and greater and greater I believe. Lighter and lighter and lighter as the world gets darker.

 

SID:                 And you know something, Jonathan? I would not want to be doing anything else than what I’m doing right now!

 

JONATHAN:    Me either!

 

SID:                 And it’s, and I’ll tell you something else.

 

JONATHAN:    Nor would I want to live in any other time than now!

 

SID:                 No, I wouldn’t either. In fact you told me that you’ve been feeling an unction of the Holy Spirit about the end times that the Lord keeps telling you that time is short. Tell me about it.

 

JONATHAN:   Shorter and shorter and shorter. The end is near. I wake up with scriptures like ôthe end is near, so get ready.ö The time clock is ticking and I think that if we could see the world as a time clock it’s one minute to twelve right now. We’re that close!

 

SID:                 I believe that. But here’s the thing that gets me upset. I have to tell you. I have many prophetic friends and they’re telling me buy gold and silver and store food and store guns and store water and these are all good things if God tells me to do it because everything’s gonna get awful and they is gonna be you know, camps and they’re gonna herd Christians into these places and you know what? It’s not even on my radar! You know what’s on my radar? I see the greatest awakening the world has ever seen! I’m not focusing on that negative junk! Maybe it’s true, but no weapon formed against me is gonna prosper!

 

JONATHAN:    Yes, amen.

 

SID:                 I like that better than my stored food!

 

JONATHAN:    There’s two things we should be storing up. Okay?

SID:                 What?

 

JONATHAN:    One, treasure in heaven. We should be storing up treasure in heaven. We should be storing up souls because they follow us to heaven. When we get to heaven we will see all the people that we impacted. And so I believe that we need to be proclaiming the good news now and storing up souls in heaven that we’ll meet when we get there. That’s the first thing. The second thing is, and I had a vision of this, Sid. I saw a water tower. And I saw this chain that was pulled and the water came gushing out. And the Lord showed me that that water tower is intercession. Intercession is like a water tower. When you intercede, when you go into, when you’re praying in other tongues, when you go into a deeper form of prayer … travail, groaning, supplication you’re actually storing a power in like a water tower and when you need it it’s like pulling the chain and out comes the power and that’s what we need to be storing up. I didn’t see that picture before that you actually are storing up prayer and when you need it that power, that dunamis is released and so we need to be storing up prayer.

 

SID:                 And that’s why praying in tongues is so important!

 

JONATHAN:    Critical!

 

SID:                 Now let me say something. This is brand new and because of the times that we’re living in… I love it and I just dropped it…

 

JONATHAN:    That’s the CD.

 

SID:                 I just dropped the CD but that’s what I love about Something More. I don’t care if we mess up or anything. Things don’t have to be perfect.

 

JONATHAN:    (laughing) It’ll still play fine.

 

SID:                 Yeah! Tell me about your brand new Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures.

 

JONATHAN:    This is the third in a series. It’s a project that I’ve undertaken to go through the names of God and to group scriptures that directly connect to that revelation of His name. There’s many. God expresses Himself in scripture in different compound names and this one is specifically dealing with God who provides, our Provider. Now they’re all… I’ve found that all of the names of God are actually intertwined. There’s overlap. But this is the very nature of God. This is the very person of God expressed through these different compound names. This one is called Adonai Yireh, the Lord who provides.

 

SID:                 Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. It’s called Jehovah Jireh, that’s what the song says.

 

JONATHAN:    That’s what the song says. But if you go back to the actual Hebrew it’s Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey. Which is the, there’s two passages actually that this compound name comes from. One is Elohim, God will provide. And the actual Hebrew is pronounced Yireh. I know it’s Jehovah Jireh but the actual Hebrew is Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey which is Yahweh, Jehovah. I use the word Adonai just because I’m from a Jewish background and I’m not comfortable directly pronouncing what we call the tetragrammaton, and then Yireh

 

SID:                 Wait. You know I’m comfortable doing that however I come from a background and that’s what we used, Adonai, same as you, and so I just do it because tradition…

 

JONATHAN:    That’s right… That’s what… So it’s tradition as well. So I call it Adonai Yireh. Or it can be Jehovah or Yaweh Yireh, The Lord will provide. And if I can I’d like to tell you that the origin of this revelation because…

 

SID:                 I’d like that.

 

JONATHAN:    …it really brings the context. When we sing Jehovah Jireh, our Provider we think of the Lord pouring out riches and wealth, divine provision and all of that is connected to the word but if you really want to understand what ôYirehö means you have to go back to the original revelation which comes from Genesis 22, verses 13 and 14. It’s the story of Abraham being asked by God to sacrifice his Son, his only son Isaac which is a beautiful type, prophetic type of the Lord giving us His only begotten Son Jesus…

 

SID:                 It is.

 

JONATHAN:   …the Messiah. And it says Abraham lifted up his eyes. He’s ready to sacrifice Isaac. See this picture now. And Isaac’s not a little child. He’s old enough to fight his father and to escape but it’s an act of obedience for Isaac as well. So Abraham’s lifted the knife and it says just as he’s about to slay his son believing that if he does kill his son God will resurrect him. He has that much faith. Then he lifts up his eyes in verse 13 and there’s a ram caught in the thicket or in the thick bushes of the thorns and so he took the ram and offered it up instead of his son and he named the place Adonai or Jehovah or Yahweh Yireh, the Lord will provide. And then it’s mentioned again as the place that he calls it Adonai Yireh.

 

SID:                 And you know there’s such a presence of God when you said the word. That’s where the…

 

JONATHAN:    I felt that anointing. That is the…

 

SID:                 The Lord will provide. But that’s in context. But when we come back I want you to explain to me why you have such an emphasis on confessing God’s word, but beyond that…

 

JONATHAN:    The Hebrew.

 

SID:                 …confessing God’s word in Hebrew and beyond that allowing people in just a few minutes to be able to pronounce, a few seconds really, to be able to pronounce Hebrew.

 

JONATHAN:    There a reason and I have that reason.

 

SID:     I know you do. And this book, it’s really a coffee table book, it’s so beautiful. It’s got the interactive CD in it. And it’s got the most beautiful pictures. I mean these are amazing pictures. And you start out with the English word, then you have the Hebrew. You literally will hear it in Hebrew and you know what’s gonna start happening as you hear it in Hebrew and as you start then pronouncing it in this amazing system that Jewish people invented so that you could speak instant Hebrew, it’s called ôtransliteration,ö you will begin to memorize these words. You’re going to begin to speak them out loud. This is what I find. When you, when you memorize in English the Holy Spirit then brings it to remembrance…

 

JONATHAN:    That’s right.

SID:                 …and it’s gonna actually bring the Hebrew to remembrance and were gonna find out why Hebrew is so important. But you’ve done two other books like this in this series. What feedback do you get from people that have these books?

 

JONATHAN:    We’ll we’re getting a lot of feedback and only some of it makes it to me because we have a big ministry. So they write to the ministry and then some of them are forwarded on but we’re getting dozens if not hundreds of responses. People that are actually experiencing a transformation. When they confess scriptures that where the Lord promises healing they get healed. Where they confess promises that deal with God’s peace and rest and fighting anxiety peace comes over them and now the provision, divine provision.

 

SID:                 Now when you say provision, as you said, of course it includes finances and that’s where the emphasis is…

 

JONATHAN:    Yeah, it’s much more!

 

SID:                 …in America. But it’s more, it’s more than that.

 

JONATHAN:    Much more. Well again, the context of it is the Lord providing a ram as a substitute for the sacrifice of Isaac so the greatest meaning is the Lord providing His Son for us and everything that Yeshua provides for us in His atonement and His resurrection. So it’s huge. It’s abundance. It’s divine blessing. It’s multiplication. All this is caught up in the word Yireh. It’s lacking for nothing. It’s prosperity, Sid, in the Biblical sense. Prosperity has been a bit distorted. Biblical prosperity, and that word is Shalom so it’s ties in now to peace.

 

SID:                 You know there’s so much tied in once you understand the Hebrew.

 

JONATHAN:    It’s amazing!

 

SID:    And we’re gonna make this available to you at a very low price. I can’t wait to get it in your hands. It’s the CD. You’ll hear it. An Israeli is actually speaking it in Hebrew. You’ll then see it phonetically and then you’ll have the English and that’s why it’s called interactive. It’s all put together. And I’m telling you if you just got this book for these beautiful pictures it would be worth it but it’s way beyond that. I think you need to get not only this book but his other two which we’ll make all three available for an investment of 79 dollars and for an investment of 39 you can get the brand new one, Adonai Yireh, The Lord Will Provide and when we come back you’re gonna find out the importance of meditating, the importance of Hebrew. Be right back.

SID: Okay. Dr. Mike, you did not know you were addicted to food. In fact, you would have challenged anyone to the limit if they said you’re a food addict. How can someone know if they’re a food addict?

 

MICHAEL: There are a number of things you can look at. One is if you know that you’ll be healthier, more vibrant, live longer if you change your diet and yet you won’t, that shows you’re a food addict. If you have secret stashes where you hide food or you eat things when no one is watching you, the unhealthy things, that’s an indication. If you don’t have a certain food for several days or a week that you actually go through some kind of withdrawal, headaches or something like that, or just the thought if I say, hey, how about cutting this out of your diet, the thought of that makes you shake, I mean, those are signs that you’re addicted. And it’s a good place to start to say, God, I confess to you that I’m a food addict. And see, when I used to hear people say I’m a recovering drug addict, I thought, I don’t buy that. I’m free. I didn’t relate to it. I probably judged them. But I live as if I’m a recovering food addict because I know if I open the door, if I play with the thing it could just pull me back in. I was in Israel doing a tour recently and a woman told me that she had been completely free from chocolate for six years. That was an issue in her life and sugar in general. And someone persuaded her, it won’t hurt you to have one piece of dark chocolate. She did it and she’s been addicted ever since. So we start, God, I confess to you that I’m a food addict. We make it plain. And then we come up with a plan. It’s not just a matter of resolve and willpower. We ask God for his grace and then we come up with a plan. We’ve got to look at all the bad stuff we’re eating and cut it out of our diet. Some say, okay, just reduce it and reduce it until you get rid of it. For me, it was a matter of just get rid of it in one day. But either way, you’ve got get rid of the bad. Don’t cut it back, cut it out and then you eat super healthy foods. I have massive salads every day and they are great.

 

SID: I have seen your salad, and trust me, it looks so big, I don’t know how you get it down.

 

MICHAEL: Yes, it’s massive, it’s wonderful.

 

SID: Yes, but a salad. You don’t like that. You like pizza.

 

MICHAEL: Yeah, well it’s what I love, I thoroughly enjoy a massive salad every day.

 

SID: You’re not just saying that. I know you.

 

MICHAEL: I thoroughly enjoy it.

 

SID: I know you do, because I have the same

 

MICHAEL: It takes a half hour, 45 minutes to eat. You get to enjoy it.

 

SID: I haven’t mastered that. I still eat mine fast.

 

MICHAEL: All right, you’re getting it. You’re getting it. The thing is though you don’t feel stuffed afterwards. It’s amazing. I have good portions of fruit, especially berries, which I never ate before. Those are super healthy. I have a little grilled meat once a week, but I don’t even need it. Some weeks I completely forget about it. And then there are all kinds of healthy recipes. I’m the kind of person that can enjoy the same foods day after day. A lot of people aren’t like that. There is amazingly healthy soups you can make. There are amazingly healthy veggie burgers you can make. There is something called pasta made from beans, bean pasta and organic red sauce. I had that and it’s delicious to me. I used to pray, God, help me to love broccoli as much as the way I love chocolate. And as I ate the chocolate nothing happened. But when I got rid of the chocolate and started eating the broccoli things changed. It’s really amazing. And there are online recipes, there are websites, Youtube where folks show you how to cook in a healthy way. If folks will do it, they come up with a plan and they pray for grace they can be transformed.

 

SID: Well it’s wonderful that it transformed you physically. It’s wonderful that you’re going to be around longer, but how did this affect you spiritually?

 

MICHAEL: First, it’s amazing to be free. Every day it’s a revelation. And then, look, people come to me and attack me for being overweight. I was a big guy. I worked out. Maybe I got away with it, but I felt lousy about it. It bothered me all the time. It bothered me when I was praying. I just felt this is not right. It literally weighed me down. Now I have wings. You know what I’m saying? You just want to fly. You want to run. And that’s how you feel spiritually. And then with your mind sharper, with your energy more, it’s just you’re much more vibrant in God. And I feel like whatever I’m coming up against there’s nothing that stands in the way because of this new lifestyle, and I know I’m living the way God created us to live. So spiritually it’s energizing, and then again, I’m not bound. I’m not a slave. My stomach is not my God. It’s a wonderful way to live. It’s a wonderful way to feel.

 

SID: You and your wife firmly believe that 99 percent of diseases can be reversed on this type of a lifestyle. What are specifics you’re aware that have been reversed, and what would you call this, a plant-based?

 

MICHAEL: Yes, plant-based, right, so that you’re relying on nature plant, fruit-based and things like that, healthy nuts and seeds in moderation. So for sure, this is documented. Don’t listen to me on this. Listen to the nutritionists and the scientists on this. But heart disease can be reversed. Hardening of the arteries, that can be reversed.

 

SID: So you don’t have to have Alzheimer’s when you’re older.

 

MICHAEL: Okay. So something else. It’s been demonstrated that a healthy diet like this, a healthy plant-based diet and then exercise with it, that’s a great anecdote for mental diseases as you get older, as well. I’m just reading a whole book about that, just about the mind and the brain. I thought because I’m reading the book, what it can do to your brain, make it sharper and clearer as you’re getting older. I thought, I’m doing everything in the book for the first time in my life. Type 2 diabetes can be completely reversed. And look, let’s be frank, so much of our back pains, so much of our knee pain is from being overweight and God’s grace it may heal, but a lifestyle change can just alleviate so much.

 

SID: Our time is slipping away and people say when they hear you speak on this subject that there is a supernatural presence when you teach on this subject. Would you pray, not a natural prayer, a supernatural prayer against these strongholds that people have with food addiction.

 

MICHAEL: Amen. Father, in the name of Jesus, I pray right now for a Holy Spirit of resolve to rise up in people, your people, to say I’m an overcomer. I’m not a slave to food. My stomach is not my God. I’m a child of God. I’m free. I’m liberated. Lord, I pray you’ll give them vision and hope that they can change. I pray you put long-term determination within them that they can live differently. I pray, O God, that all the grace you’ve given to me that has so transformed me in the resolve and determination that you would give to them, and we declare freedom, freedom from unhealthy living, freedom from unhealthy eating, freedom from food addiction, lasting life-long freedom in the name of Jesus.

 

SID: As Dr. Michael Brown would tell you, if he can do it, but I’m going to add to it, and if I can do it, you can do it, too.

SID: Okay Mike, I’m going to take you to that day, September 9, 2014.

 

MICHAEL: All right. Let me give you the background. I had been crying out to God. Nancy had been crying out to God. We didn’t know it, but we were both praying about my diet, my health. And I said, you know, I’m a man of God. I’m a serious servant of the Lord and yet I’m overweight, I’m obese. This is not right. I got to that breaking point. August 24, we started a new lifestyle. Nancy said, “Just eat what I give you.” That meant getting rid of all the foods I had eaten all my life, getting rid of the addictions. And then it meant eating foods I would have paid you money to avoid in the past. But the amazing thing is when you change what you feed your taste buds they change as well. So I make the break. Three days of miserable withdrawal. It was harder for me to give up chocolate than to give up heroin. I remember on the third night I was crying out to God. I said, “Jesus, you were so real for me. You set me free from heroin. I didn’t need it.” I said, “Surely the power of the Spirit is more powerful than the power of peanut M&Ms.” And that’s when I broke through, the third night. Okay, so I’m doing good now. I’m eating the new food. I’m starting to feel different. I’m starting to lose weight. I’m doing well. I’m into this two and half weeks now, Sid. I’m not feeling deprived anymore because dealing with our diets we mess up because we just cut back on the bad stuff instead of cutting it out. So the addictions are still there and we’re craving all the time, and we’re always wanting, our body is programmed to want more. I’m free from that. I came home from the radio one day, took a nap and then had to go teach a night class at our Bible school. And somehow I really wanted something sweet, and I thought that’s good. Fruit, that’s what the sweet tooth is for, fruits, and I was now loving fruits. And in the old days Nancy would send me to the store and say, can you get some stuff, and she’d have to describe the fruit to me because I didn’t know what it was.

 

SID: I got a new way to pepperoni pizza.

 

MICHAEL: I would have had a pepperoni with extra cheese, you bet. And I knew what Ben and Jerry’s Super Fudge New York Ice Cream was. That I knew. But when I started eating healthily, I’d send her pictures, and she said, “What are these?” She says, “These are blackberries. They’re good to eat them.” I said, “Okay, great, I’ll eat them.” So I’d eat fruit. That’s it. Well there’s no fruit in the house for some reason. But I was craving. So I go to the store, just a convenience store at a gas station, maybe they have them. No, they don’t have any fruit. What am I going to do? The fruit juices there have sugar and I don’t want to have any sugar. I finally find something that looks healthy and I think, okay, I’m going to have this. But I thought, I can’t live like this. You’re never going to have a slice of pizza the rest of your life, you’re never going to have chocolate the rest of your life. You’re going to have fruits the rest of your life. I hit my breaking point, Sid. I am here, literally, I’m about to teach a night class and I feel the weight of this coming down. I can’t do it. And literally I’m sitting in my car and I start crying like a baby, literally two minutes before the class, I can’t, God, I can’t live like this the rest of my life, no pizza, no chocolate. [mumbling] I can’t do it. Crying like a baby. And two things were happening, one, I was at the end of myself. I was literally going through this and I thought this is good because this means grace is kicking in because you can’t do it. On the other side, the flip side, I was watching myself laughing as it was happening. I wiped the tears from my eyes. I got into teach and that was last night I had a struggle. It has been easy. There has been [unintelligible]. And there’s a supernatural anointing. Listen, why do we think of it in other areas? Why do we think of it as just getting free from pornography or free from drug addiction, or free from alcoholism, even free from depression? Why can’t we get free from bad habits and strongholds, and addictions? And Sid, I honestly believe for every one person who receives a miracle of healing by God’s grace, a hundred can receive a miracle of healing if they change their lifestyles. God put healthy stuff [here] and he gave it to us, and if we eat it, it’s life-transforming.

 

SID: Why would you say food is so addictive?

 

MICHAEL: All right, listen, we need food to live. That’s the first thing. So I was on a plane the other day and they come and offer me this, no, I don’t want it. I’m sitting there. Right in my face, do you want, how about this? They come with the best looking chocolate cake I’ve ever seen on a plane. And they put it right in my nose. Would you like this? Are you sure? Well you don’t have that. When I got free from drugs people weren’t coming up to me with cocaine and putting it in my nose, would you like this? So there’s a difference. So we need food to live and our standard American diet is deadly. It has all kinds of junk in it. You know when you have those potato chips the salt makes you want to have another one. Oreos actually have addictive qualities in them. A study was done by research, I read the study, where they addicted rats to Oreo cookies and to cocaine to see which was the more powerful addiction, which they would crave, and they wanted both equally. So there’s stuff in the food that’s addictive. And then we have a lifestyle that’s just built around us. We have a gluttonous lifestyle. You go to the restaurants and what do they serve? Would you like death by chocolate for dessert? The portions are massive and we’re much more sedentary. So it’s kind of a perfect storm of bad things coming together. And a lot of us have not learned good eating habits over our lives, and then the fast food lifestyle. And then as Christians, what do we do? Well we don’t submit to the sins of the world. We don’t get drunk, we don’t get enough sleep, but we eat. Everything we do is around food.

 

SID: It’s gluttony.

 

MICHAEL: It’s gluttony.

 

SID: Okay. How about your wife, how did she go along with this? She had her own problems.

 

MICHAEL: She changed first. Overweight, paralyzed, Nancy. And listen, women lose weight differently. They relate differently. They go through pregnancy, different things. And some women, they say, I look at food and I gain five pounds just when I look at.

 

SID: I’ve heard that.

 

MICHAEL: So she was paralyzed by being overweight. She hated it. She didn’t want to leave the house. She was just embarrassed. And here she was probably a little over 200 pounds and just not even 5-foot-3-inches tall. So it bothered her all the time. She had aches and pains, was tired, and she thought something is seriously the matter. And she had binged dieted before. She’d do a radical diet and lose 60, 70 pounds, and then her hair would start to fall out, and she’d feel terrible, and then she’d panic and she’d start to eat again. And for her, she just said she was a glutton. She loved to eat and she would just eat more and eat more, and eat more. And she had different tastes than I did, but she’d just pour it in. So she realized I have to change. Something has to change. And she cried out to God. And she read about nutrition for years and years, and years, and understood things and knew that if she just ate vegetables always, something was missing. And she began to read one doctor, read his stuff and thought, this makes sense. And she made the change herself, and when she made the change it was dramatic. Her whole life changed dramatically.

 

SID: How much weight did she lose?

 

MICHAEL: She went from a little over 200 pounds to 115 pounds. This was thinner than when I met her when we were both 19 years old.

 

SID: You know, I found out about what you were doing and I decided that I would do the same thing. I didn’t do it to lose weight. That was not my personal objective, although it wouldn’t hurt. But I did it for health reasons. My blood pressure was sky high and I was taking a blood pressure pill, and I was praying for all it was worth it, trust me. But it kept going up after the maximum dosage of pills. So I had to take another pill. I didn’t take it, but I knew I had to because it just kept inching up and up, and up. And so I did what Mike did, and would you believe, in one week my blood pressure went to normal. I didn’t need the second pill. And would you believe in one month I was taking that one pill, I cut it in half. And would you believe, I’m believing that in another month I won’t have to even have to have half of that pill. So you made me a believer in one week. You’re getting letters of people that are weeping when they get this revelation you got. Their whole lives are being transformed. Do you get many of these?

MICHAEL: It’s amazing. On a regular basis Nancy and I are hearing from people. Some of them have been desperate and they’re changing. One woman said, “Look, I was not going to be here for my four kids. I’m a type 2 diabetic. I have all these health issues. My mother died young and I was going to die young, and you have given me back my life.” And they’re off diabetes medication. It’s just an amazing, amazing story, Sid.

 

SID: Okay, I’ll tell you what, when we come back I want to get some clues how to get rid of those strongholds, because guess what, just about everyone I’m speaking to is dealing with it.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest believes that 99 percent of all sicknesses and diseases can be reversed if you change your eating habits. Would you like to find out? Now I’m with my good friend, Dr. Michael Brown. Mike, how long have we known each other?

 

MICHAEL: We became friends in 1984.

 

SID: That’s a long time.

 

MICHAEL: Thirty-three years.

 

SID: And I remember your wife saying, “I’m so worried about my husband. He could eat pizza three meals a day.” Could you?

 

MICHAEL: Listen, I taught at a Bible school on Long Island from ’83 to ’87, and two miles from the school was one of the best New York pizzas I ever ate at in my life. We estimated at that pizzeria I had 3000 slices of pizza in four years at one pizzeria.

 

SID: Now if someone had walked up to you back then, and your wife probably did, and said, “Mike, are you addicted to food,” what would you have said?

 

MICHAEL: No, of course not. I was addicted to drugs. I was shooting heroin, using LSD, a crazy lifestyle. I was addicted to the needle. But no, I wasn’t addicted to food. Although if you pressed me about it and said don’t have pizza for a week I probably would have gotten the shakes. And if you said you can’t have chocolate, listen, I used to have Oreos for breakfast when I was boy growing up. I had chocolate almost every day of my life for years, and if I went without it, it would be withdrawal. But I didn’t connect it to be addicted, a chocoholic, because I’m a man of God.

 

SID: Were you addicted?

 

MICHAEL: Of course I was addicted. I was a slave to it.

 

SID: Three years ago, describe what your health and weight was.

 

MICHAEL: All right. I was pushing hard in ministry. I was going for it, I was working out, but I weighed 275 pounds. My blood pressure was 149/103. My cholesterol was as high as 230, the good was low, the bad was high. I had three to four headaches a week, constant lower back pain, drained, tired all the time, severe sleep apnea. I needed a breathing machine, anywhere I traveled around the world, had to have that. And I was getting worn out. And I remember sitting with Nancy for the first time in my life, because at this time I was 59 years old, for the first time I said, “I’m getting tired about the future.” I couldn’t wait for tomorrow. I couldn’t wait for next year. I was getting worn out and it was all due to years of unhealthy eating.

 

SID: What would you say pushed this dramatic, I mean, I still can’t get over, 33 years I’ve known him. I saw him sitting in the back, here, I wouldn’t have even recognized him, really. Now if he opened his mouth and talked I would have. How much weight did you lose?

 

MICHAEL:  I lost 95 pounds in less than eight months, not by dieting, but by changing my lifestyle dramatically. Blood pressure went from 149/103 down to 100/65. Cholesterol went down from 230 to 123. The good is now to where it’s supposed to be, the bad is where it’s supposed to be. Haven’t had a headache in two and half-plus years, no more back pain, no more breathing machine. My immune system is strong, energy level totally off the charts, and this was by God’s grace. God broke through. God helped me to make a radical change. And Sid, if he can help me, trust me, he can help anybody.

 

SID: This is hard for me to believe. When I think of my friend Dr. Brown I see him as a champion of standing up for the Word of God. And yet he reached a breaking point in which he cried like a baby. We’ll be right back.