SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I’m here with Clarice and Ron Holden. What would happen to you if you got a phone call and found out that your husband was just hit by a drunk driver? Worse than that, he had a truck. And your husband had three hours to live. What would you do? How would your world be changed? Well what Clarice Holden did is so amazing to me. I know the story, I know the results, and I’m still in awe over what Clarice did. But I want to go back a little bit. Ronnie, your dad was an alcoholic, you were an alcoholic, you were into drugs, and your wife gets religion. What did you think about her?

RONNIE: I thought she had completely lost her mind.

SID: Well did you give her a hard time?

RONNIE: Oh absolutely. All I could, I gave her a hard time. I didn’t believe what she was doing.

SID: Ok. You had a prophecy. In other words, a man said “I have a message for you from God.”
What was that message?

CLARICE: He said, “The last two years have been a living hell, but the next two are going to be even worse.

SID: Oh no! How would you like to get a word like that?

CLARICE: It was not good at the beginning, but he finished by saying “Your husband will be on his deathbed, flat on his back, all alone, and he will see the salvation of God. He will have a visitation from God.” And I said, “How in the world is this going to happen? He will not speak to a Christian.” You know, whenever something like that happened, I just could not picture it. But that’s the way it happened.

SID: Ok. Ronnie, tell me about the day, the moment, this prophecy came to pass.

RONNIE: It was in 1984. It was February 17th. I was lying in bed, and somehow I just woke up.
It was like 3 o’clock in the morning, and I was lying in bed. I was in rehab. And I looked up and the room was white, like clouds were in the room. And this Man was standing over the bed, and to me, it looked like a picture I had seen in the Bible of Jesus when I was a little boy. And He just stood there and put His hands out to me, and I didn’t really realize what was going on, but at that time I was delivered of alcohol and drugs and things in my life.

SID: Now when you say delivered, how bad was your alcohol addiction?

RONNIE: I drank all the time. I’d stay out two or three days, I had blackouts. I drank pretty much most of the time.

SID: But you can’t… You understand now, you can’t instantly lose an addiction like that. Are you telling me, instantly you lost this addiction?

RONNIE: Well I didn’t think so either. I had tried so many different ways to lose it, and I didn’t realize it’d really happened. But when I got up and went outside, I started thinking about alcohol and thinking about drugs, and I physically got nauseated even thinking about it. I had no desire for it at all.

SID: What kind of drugs were you on?

RONNIE: I was addicted to cocaine…

SID: Again, you can’t just walk away from cocaine. You had a real miracle.

RONNIE: In the natural world you can’t, but I had a miracle. And I wasn’t really expecting anything to happen to me. I’d never heard of anything like that before. I never knew anybody that that happened to. But I cried out, and I knew I was going to die, and I only had one chance. I had heard about religion or God, but I didn’t think He’d help me, because I was a mean person. I was a bad person. And I had no idea God would help me, but as a last resort, after I’d tried everything else, I cried out to God “I’m going to die, I’m not going to make it. I only have a few more days the way I’m living my life.” And that happened. It changed my life.

SID: Clarice, when he told you this story, what went on inside of you?

CLARICE: Well first, I got a call from him; he said, “Will you bring me a Bible?” I’m like “Oh my goodness, yes I’ll bring you a Bible.” And I got there, I was so excited, it was just amazing. It was what I had always dreamt of and prayed for, and to see him acting different. And he just played this game. He would take that Bible and he would open it up and he would point, and whatever he wanted, God was so supernaturally showing him what he wanted to see, and it was the answer that he needed at that time.

SID: Listen, you got, not only a brand new husband, God began to prosper the two of you. Tell me just briefly, Clarice, how He prospered you financially.

CLARICE: Well, first of all, He restored our marriage. That was number one, which was wonderful. And then, our restaurant, it flourished. God really just showed Ronnie how to go in
and change things in the menu and in the restaurant, and it just started prospering. And then we opened a clothing business, and that has been phenomenal. God has just blessed both of them. And we have invested in real estate, and it’s been good, and it’s really been great. It really has.

SID: I mean it sounds almost like a storybook romance. A marriage is restored; their finances are being showered, Ronnie, you’re hearing from God on how to prosper in your business. And then, on May 8th, 2000, he gets hit by a drunk driver in a car. The driver’s in a truck. You literally catapulted out of your car? Did you have your seatbelt on?

RONNIE: I had a seatbelt on; it broke it off the back of the seat and threw me out the passenger window.

SID: And then, you go out the passenger window, and the truck comes rolling over and just stops short of falling on you, but it doesn’t matter, you had everything imaginable wrong with you. I mean the doctors actually said three hours to live.

SID: The only word I can come up with is amazing, when you look at how quickly when the United States does something against Israel judgments hit the United States. If it was one, coincidence, if it was ten, still coincidence, but how many John McTernan have you personally identified?

JOHN: About seventy Sid, and I have probably about forty in my book, thee was too many to put them all in the book.

SID: Many, most within 24 hours?

JOHN: Same day Sid, twenty-four hours yes.

SID: give me some examples.

JOHN: Sid we have recent examples, June we had the massive floods in Iowa, worst floods in history, do you remember them Sid?

SID: Yes of course.

JOHN: Okay, at the height of the flood Condoleezza Rice was in Jerusalem and she was furious at the Israelis, absolutely furious because they were building homes in East Jerusalem, and the reason she was furious is they want East Jerusalem to become a Palestinian State, she wouldn’t admit that but she wants that to be the capital of the Palestinian State. She went as far as to say Sid, that the United States would not recognize those homes as being part of Israel. At the exact time she was there, at the exact time she was saying this, we were having Iowa with the worst floods in history, we had major cities in Iowa under water, we had the crops being destroyed, the dollar was absolutely free- falling, the stock market was crashing, and the price of oil was surging record, and that is in June. She goes there in August and she is doing the same thing and we have while she is there Tropical Storm Fay hit Florida four times, it hit Florida, came out and came back to hit.

SID: That was unusual the way that came about.

JOHN: The weathermen were amazed at this. But the exact time she was there bullying Israeli again, we had the entire state of Florida being devastated by Tropical Storm Fay.

SID: Keep Condoleezza away from Israel.

JOHN: Right, right, well Sid the unofficial, official policy of the United States has been to, in these negotiations, has been to divide Jerusalem, they haven’t said anything officially but unofficially it is obvious, like I just shared in June with Condoleezza Rice what she did. On September 11th of all days, the council general of the United States in Jerusalem finally let the cat out of the bag and said that the United States is officially working to divide Jerusalem. The State Department immediately denied it, they said these, they didn’t quite deny it they said these are being done in secret and they shouldn’t discuss it. Sid, the next day Hurricane Ike hit Texas.

SID: The next day?

JOHN: The next day Sid, the next day. And we know the damage that it has done. It has devastated Houston and Galveston, I mean just tremendous areas have been devastated by this; tens of thousands of homes destroyed and people homeless. Sid then on, actually it was Friday and it was Saturday when the Hurricane devastated the coast of Texas. Then Saturday and Sunday Lehman Brothers Bank failed, which is the largest bank in American, I guess in world history to fail, 639 billion dollars. Monday the stock market fell 300 and something points, it went up and it fell 400, and we know the chaos that has occurred since. So we have on a Thursday the United States coming out and it is official that we are working to divide Jerusalem, the very next day Hurricane Ike hits, the next day the Lehman Brothers Bank fails, then the stock market has been in absolute convulsions with huge loses and everything and you can trace it right back.

SID: Now John, your book covers this, I know you have said, this is the updated version, which just really is as updated as you can get, it is just literally off the printing press, but you have sent your book to senators and congressmen but sending it and reading it are two different things but if I could put you at this moment transport you to the US Senate what would you say to our senators? Look in the cameras and talk to them.

JOHN: Sid I would say to the politicians of America especially Sid, it is not the senators as much as it is the President and the State Department, that seems to be the real problem, Sid, and I would tell the President of the United States that as you divide Jerusalem, as you divide the Covenant Land, God is going to divide America Sid. To back off Jerusalem, to back off the Covenant Land, that America has no right to interfere with God’s prophetic plan.

SID: Well someone might say, “I’m a Muslim, I’m Hindu, what do I care about that?”

JOHN: Well Sid, it doesn’t really matter to the Lord whether you do it in ignorance or you do it with will, that if you, whomever interferes with God’s Covenant Land, who interferes with God’s prophetic plan for Israel, because we know Sid, ultimately the nation of Israel has to be there for the redemption, and the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

SID: So what we do know is we know Israel will be there but we don’t know about the United States.

JOHN: Sid, with what I believe the Lord has been showing me, the United States does not have long to exist as we know it, we have done everything to provoke the Lord, but the church will not listen Sid, there is a glazing that comes over people’s eyes when I speak to them about this, when I talk to pastors they refuse to stand up, they refuse to repent, they refuse to lead in prayer and fasting, and ask the Lord to have mercy on us for what we are doing, to change our governments policy, they act like nothing is happening Sid. And the judgments are falling all around us.

SID: What are you feeling in your belly at this moment?

JOHN: A complete economic meltdown; that we are heading into a third world nation with poverty Sid.

SID: You know the prophet Joel in the third chapter says that nations will be judged in the last days amazingly over only one issue, and the one issue it specifically says for dividing up my land. And now you look at this book that documents up to modern days, every single time the United States has lifted their finger against Israel horrible economic judgments, hurricanes, flooding, so what are we supposed to do at a time like this? There is only one thing that you can do and that is open up your heart to intimacy with God, that is all that counts, there are people listening to me right now and you go to church, you go to mosque, you go to synagogue, but I have to ask you the most important operative question, do you know God, it is wonderful that you watch people on television that know God, it is wonderful that your pastor knows God, but do you know God? This life is just a blink of the eye, that’s all that it is, and then eternity, and where are you going to spend eternity, who are you going to spend eternity with? You do not know when your end will come. This is the moment that if you have ever, ever, ever, thought it is possible to know God I tell you it is, if you have ever thought that God doesn’t love you, you are wrong because God is pure love. If you will reach out to God in your way and the only way is in the Name of Jesus, if you will say I repent of my sin, I am sorry and I ask to be forgiven, I make Jesus my Lord, my Savior, the choice is yours, God’s has already made a choice, He loves you, He so loves you He sent His Son. Now you chose God, it is life or death. Intimacy or nothing.

Sid: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary and Kathy Oates, and Gary and Kathy just want to see what the Bible says, they go to Brazil, he takes his shoes off in a meeting because the Spirit of God told him to do it, it’s dirty, he is resisting, had he not done that then the next thing wouldn’t have happened, he literally finds himself out of his body, he sees angels, he see Jesus, he comes back into his body and what happened next?

Gary: Well

Sid: Oh you told me your hand started burning.

Gary: Yes, my hands were burning, it was like my left hand was on fire and I didn’t feel like I could take it any longer and it was right then that Jesus let go of my hands and my spirit came back into my body. Now because my spirit had been in the presence of the Lord like that when my spirit came back into my body my body was like it exploded.

Sid: Now Kathy, what did he say to you after that?

Kathy: He couldn’t talk.

Sid: What do you mean he couldn’t talk; he could do a good job of speaking.

Gary: Listen, I was completely wasted, I couldn’t I was laying on the floor, it was like I was nailed to the floor, I couldn’t, I could hardly move, I was crying and I was saying, “God, I don’t understand all this stuff, I just want more of you.” I felt so little and so insignificant in the presence of Almighty God that it was the most incredible, awesome experience I had ever, I had ever had.

Sid: Okay, next day, fast forward, what happened?

Gary: Next day I got to the meeting early, the power of God hit me, I was on the front row, I hat the floor and again, I could not move and I was thinking what is going on, because I had difficulty speaking that whole day, I mean I couldn’t even get words out of my mouth, the presence of God was on me continuously during that time, I was weeping. Well I was on the floor and I saw the worship team as they began to worship and all of a sudden everything changed and God took me to a place, I saw a gold path, gold steps, a gold platform.

Sid: Now you have to understand he ahs never had experiences like this before, this is more like the Bible than what goes on with most religious Christians, so who do you want to choose, do you want to choose what a phenomena that occurs that is similar to the Bible or would you like to take a look at religion? Me, I like the Bible, go ahead.

Gary: Well I saw the gold platform, gold steps, on top of this top platform I saw a very large throne, I didn’t see anybody sitting on the throne, but to the right of the throne I saw Jesus standing there, he was wearing different clothes this time, and he had a scepter in his hand, and from his waist up the brilliance of light coming from him was overwhelming, I could barely look at it, and honestly Sid, I thought I was going to die. In fact, I thought you know, maybe I had died and gone to heaven because it was that real. Right then I came back into my body and I was writhing in agony on the floor, I had a look of terror on my face, I was screaming but no sound was coming out of my mouth. And Kathy saw me in that condition.

Kathy: Right.

Gary: And she was hollering you know, do something, do something, to the other guys around me.

Kathy: Right, it scared me.

Gary: And they said turn.

Sid: Did you think he was having a heart attack?

Kathy: I didn’t know what was happening, you have to understand you know, coming into a foreign country and then all of a sudden, Gary, I had never, never known him to be afraid about anything, not one thing in his life, he has always been positive, courageous, and to see the terror on his face, it was petrifying to me.

Sid: Okay, what happened next?

Gary: Well I was, they didn’t realize what was happening to me, the reason I had the look of terror on my face and was screaming in agony was because I was so acutely aware of my sinfulness in the presence of a holy God that it just brought terror to me and I was crying out, “God for give me, God forgive me.” And I felt just the cleansing of God coming over my life, it was just like, it was just like being thrown under a waterfall and totally cleansed, not just outwardly but inwardly, and on the inside again I was

Sid: We don’t realize who far removed we are from where God created us to be, we don’t realize, I mean this is a word you don’t hear often, sinful, we don’t realize how sinful we are unless God puts a spotlight on us.

Gary: That’s exactly right. Well my heart of repentance was met with total forgiveness from the Father, and I was on the floor this time for two hours, I couldn’t get up, I couldn’t move. I was weeping, when I tried to get up I couldn’t walk out, a couple of the people had to help me, I ended up in the very back of the church on the pack row sitting there and Kathy was asking me you know, what happened, what happened, and I couldn’t even tell her because I wanted to process all of this and I said, “I’ll tell you later, I’m okay.” But I was shaking and vibrating so much in the chair I could hardly sit in the chair.

Sid: So they bring you up on the platform and what type of miracles were released when you were there?

Gary: Well I mean it was amazing,they had to carry me up on the platform in a chair; I couldn’t walk up there myself.

Kathy: He couldn’t talk.

Gary: I couldn’t talk, and I was with Randy Clark, and Randy, he came over to ask me what had been happening. I couldn’t speak, he had Kathy come up, Kathy told what I had told her and the place came unglued. It was like a tornado just swept through the place, people were falling, they were crying out, people were being sovereignly healed, there was such a strong manifest presence of God in the place.

Sid: Were many people healed?

Gary: All over the place, right after that, once I was finally able to talk, this was a little later on, people came up for prayer, I was able to stand up because only by the grace of God, and I began to pray for people, there was a long line, every person I prayed for was instantly healed, it was like there was a whole different dynamic.

Sid: Listen Gary and Kathy, there is a glory, that same glory is in this studio right now, did you hear what he just said, every single person he prayed for was healed.

On It’s Supernatural: Jesus demonstrated the supernatural gifts of God’s Spirit to His disciples. As they watched Him, they caught the anointing and began to do the miraculous. Learn how to walk under an open heaven.

Do angels exist? Are healing miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 25 years researching

the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here.

Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, David Tomberlin, hears specific names of people, and then they are healed. I love it. David, when you were 21, you were on top of the world. What was going on in your life?

DAVID: Sid, I had everything going for me, looking from the outside in. I was in college. I actually was a soccer player. I had professional teams talking to me about trying out in Europe and Latin America. I had a beautiful girlfriend who was actually a model. I had my own business; I owned my own house – 21 years old – owned a couple of cars. What I would say is, if I saw my life from somebody else’s position, I would’ve been jealous of me.

SID: Isn’t it like the movies though? You see on the big screen, but you don’t know what’s going on beyond the façade.

DAVID: Yeah. Externally, things were great. This was the confusing thing about the whole thing; I couldn’t point to something that was wrong. Everything was right, but inside I was really withering away.

I was under this horrible depression.

SID: There was no real reason for it.

DAVID: There’s nothing I could point to, no financial reason, no relational reason. I was a young man, had everything going for me, and I slipped into this horrible depression, so much so that I was suicidal. All I could do was cry out to God. I remember every night I would cry for hours and hours. And I’m originally from Texas. As a young man in Texas…

SID: Men don’t cry.

DAVID: We don’t cry. It’s against the rules. It’s against the handbook. But I’d never experienced this before, and I would weep and cry for hours. Actually, a couple of time’s I planned to kill myself, planned to commit suicide. I remember one night I was watching television, it happened to be a Christian TV program. I remember telling God “God, I don’t know how much longer I can hang on, but I commit in my heart not to kill myself.” That’s what I did. The other thing that accompanied this whole depression darkness was I had a choking sensation around my neck at all times. The only time that choking sensation would go away was when I walked in the church that I attended. Then when I came back out, it would come back on. So I started going to church a lot, obviously. I was like “Can I sleep here?”

SID: Really? The only relief you would get? But there was one particular service you went to. Tell me about that.

DAVID: It was in the spring, I want to say April, of 1995. I was sitting in this service, and the gentleman who was speaking was talking about what he called the baptism of the Holy Spirit, or being immersed in God’s Spirit. I had some friends who were of a different mindset, and they told me that this wasn’t real. That’s what they told me, and they were good people, and they loved God. But I was attending the service. I remember I had been so emptied out by this experience that I told God “I don’t know if this is real or not, but I need something from You.” So at the end of the service, the gentleman who was speaking invited people, “If you want to experience this immersion in God’s Spirit, then come up to the front.” So I immediately stood up and I began to walk towards the front, what they would call the alter area. As I was walking, I felt this unusual sensation. It was like I was walking upstream in a river, as though there were water coursing through my legs.

SID: If you didn’t know you were in a building without water, you would’ve thought you were walking through water?

DAVID: Right. I just didn’t have a paradigm of the supernatural at that time. I just go “This is very odd. I’m walking up a river.” I’m having this sensation of walking up a river, yet I’m in a church service. So I get to the front, and I close my eyes. I’ve always been the kind of person where I don’t like anything fake. I don’t like people that are not genuine. I’ve always had a dislike for that. I said “God, I’m not going to fake anything, but whatever You want to give me, please give me.” Well, the gentleman was praying for people all along the front. There were probably a couple hundred people there. I was just standing there, and they were playing music, and I would close my eyes and I’d see a golden light. Every time I closed my eyes, so much to the point that I opened my eyes and asked the gentleman “Was somebody just shining a flashlight in my eyes?” because that’s what it felt like.

SID: That’s real.

DAVID: He looked at me like “No, people don’t typically do that in church. They don’t shine flashlights in your eyes.” But that was the sensation. I closed my eyes there was a bright light. I was like, this is unusual. First the water, then the bright light. I just closed my eyes. The gentleman finally got to me and put his hands on my head. And again, in the back of my mind, I’m thinking of my friends who told me this is fake. When this comes, there’s also a supernatural language that he was talking about when this takes place. I said “Lord, again, I’m not faking this. I want whatever You have for me, God. I want what You have for me, but I will not fake an experience.” I was at a low point. Faking wouldn’t help me. I needed something real. All of a sudden, this guy puts his hands on my head, and this language begins to shoot out of my mouth, almost as though I’m not creating it. I’m not making it happen, I’m almost watching it. Then as soon as that language comes out of my head, in my mind I think this: “I wonder if I’m faking this?” All I did was think it. The guy who was praying for me yelled at me, in an angry way “You’re not faking this!” I go “Wow, I guess I’m not faking this.” The next thing I know, I’m on my back. I look over to my left; I see some lady’s high heel shoes. I was raised Anglican or Episcopal, and you don’t fall on the ground in church. It’s not proper. So I go what am I doing on the ground in church, number one? Number two, how did I get here? What happened was the power of God had so hit me that I had not been able to stand under that power.

SID: I tell you what, hold that thought, because you’re going to find out about three circular evil things that come out of him, and that depression lifts. And what he has in its place, the whole world should have. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Sid Roth here with David Herzog. David, in Bethel, Israel, I love Israel.

DAVID: I love it, too.

SID: And in Bethel, Israel, you had an open vision of the End Times. And guess what? What he’s about ready to share, it’s about ready to happen.

DAVID: When I was in Bethel I had an open Heaven encounter. I had our team lay on the floor. It’s called Bethel. This is the Gate of Heaven. I said, “This is the gate. I’m going to tap into this.”

SID: Sure.

DAVID: I said, let me test this gate out. So we had some worship behind me. I had everyone lay on the ground and I taught them how to enter into the third Heaven. And we worshiped and people were taken to Heaven. I saw it, the Crystal Sea. I was taken up to the Crystal Sea and I saw Jesus, Yeshua. And I looked in his eyes, and I never had it like that before. And he was flaming fire, and he looked at me and said, “Thank you so much for touching Isaac, the Jewish people. But now would you also reach Ishmael.” And I said, “Yes, Lord.” And immediately doors opened for me to go to Kuwait, Bahrain, all these Muslim countries, Dubai.

SID: Did you have the same miracles there as you’ve had in Israel and all over the world?

DAVID: The same God works everywhere the same, same signs and wonders, miracles touching Muslins, Jewish people, Hindus, Buddhists. I had a bunch of Iranians get saved.

SID: I want to get this. Jesus thanked you for reaching Jewish people?

DAVID: I was surprised. I said, yeah, of course. I didn’t know what to say. What do you say when you’re in a realm like that. I was just humbled to be there.

SID: What did God show you is happening in these End Times, especially, and this concerns me a great deal, is I am Jewish and all of my family is Jewish. What did He show you about anti-Semitism.

DAVID: He showed me that in America whenever things get worse historically, and it’s going to happen again in America, when things get really bad they’ll blame the Jews once again. It will probably be a combination of the markets crashing and Israel, wars with Israel, Iran and other countries. When that happens, when it gets to a really bad point they’ll turn against the Jewish people. The Lord showed me that very clearly in America. And Jews would have a hard time even getting out. They’d have to hide and go through different locations like Native American reservations, and different states will have like refuge places. But they’ll have to start making their way to Israel.

SID: It’s almost like the underground railroad was to African-Americans. I believe there will be an underground railroad for Jewish people. Now you teach about the Elijah Glory. I love it. Tell me about that.

DAVID: I like the Elijah realm because it says in Malachi, it says, the spirit of Elijah will come.

SID: By the way, it says in Malachi, the spirit of Elijah is going to come, a spirit of miracles, “when the hearts of the fathers are turned to the children and the hearts of the children are turned to the fathers.” And do you know who the fathers of the Christian faith are? The Jews.

DAVID: Exactly.

SID: And do you know who the children are? The Christians. And it says, unless that occurs there will be a curse. But if it occurs, guess what? What a mitzvah. What a blessing.

DAVID: When you start blessing the Jews, praying for the Jews, sharing the Gospel with the Jews and doing anything with them or to help them, what happens is you get the fullness of what was lost. It will be like the raising of the dead, like a resurrection power comes on believers when they connect with the Jewish people in some way. Those who don’t will actually start losing the influence and power they have now. And the Elijah, like you said, the Elijah is the Jew and the gentile coming together, creates a fullness of power, of glory, of His presence, of favor directly from God.

SID: Tell me more about what’s going to happen with the Elijah Glory? Are we going to see a lot of dead people raised?

DAVID: Yeah. I had a vision that God showed me. In the last days we’ll see mass resurrections, not one here or one there.

SID: Mass. So we’ll go into funeral homes and they’ll go out of business?

DAVID: Yeah, that, too. I saw disaster areas, areas that go hit by natural disaster or terrorism, or some kind of sickness. Believers will come in there and begin commanding the dead bodies to come back, and there will be a mass resurrection.

SID: Now do you believe the miracles and this resurrection glory that you’ve seen is connected somehow with Jewish people?

DAVID: A hundred percent. It says right there in Romans, it says, “If the Jews come back into salvation it will be as the raising of the dead.” And I believe the key to resurrection power is when the Jews come back into the Gospel or if Christians will invite them back into the Gospel it will be like the raising of the dead. I believe that’s spiritual, but also even literal, because in the early church when they were raising the dead, it was Jew and gentile together at the beginning, and they were raising the dead. When they got separated the power took off. Rome became the center of Christianity and there was no more power. As they come back together, Jew and gentile, it releases supernatural resurrection power.

SID: Tell me briefly about your revelation in the courtroom of Heaven.

DAVID: I love that one.

SID: I know.

DAVID: Lately God has been giving me major revelation on Heaven. And there’s a place in Heaven called the Courts of Heaven. For example, someone owed me a large amount of money. They didn’t want to release it. They didn’t think they should. And so I took it to court, heavenly court, because this person was in another country, so I couldn’t really deal with it. So I went to Heaven, I went to the Courts of Heaven. I said, “God, you’re the judge. You decide. Here’s my case.” I pleaded my case. And when you’re Heaven, the enemy whispers to you, “No, you can’t have it because this or that.” And you make your defense. No, the Word of God says this, God said this. And within about 24 hours all the money was wired back into my account. Another time a boy was supposed to go to jail. He had child pornography on his computer. He got saved in my meeting, repented. I took him to the Courts of Heaven. I said, “O Father in Heaven, he deserves to go to jail. He did this sin. He’s going to go to court Tuesday. They have evidence against him. But he repents. Your blood forgives him. He may or may not go to jail, but set him free.” And God set him free and delivered him. Then the boy said, “I want to be used of God.” I said, “Okay, court is still in session. One more thing, Your Honor, he wants to be used in ministry.” He goes back to the judge on Tuesday and the prosecutor. They took him aside and said, “You know you’re going to go to jail for a long time. We got a lot of evidence against you.” He says, “It doesn’t matter. I’m saved, born again. God just did a miracle in my life.” They were so touched by his testimony they threw out the case. So the Courts of Heaven, heavenly experiences can have major and fast earthly changes in your life, in your finances, in your ministry, open doors. If you learn how to access Heaven you can have things change on the earth very fast.

SID: I believe that the Glory of God invaded this studio. Actually in the second segment I could feel a change literally in the atmosphere. And I believe that if David prays for you right now that that Glory is going to invade where you are. And what’s going to happen to the people, David?

DAVID: Right now I’m going to pray and they’re going to feel heat. Some of them might feel nothing. They’ll check their bodies. I believe there will be a lot of teeth miracles as well and other creative miracles, signs and wonders. Even what I don’t say, if I don’t say they’re a miracle, people will start checking their bodies and will still get healed anyway just by the Glory that’s here.

SID: And I’m going to tell you what to do. When David says these words, “And the Glory hits you,” I want you to stand up where you are and jump up and down. It’s an act of faith. Without faith you can’t please God. David, pray right now.

DAVID: Those who are watching on TV or in the studio audience right now, in the name of Yeshua, I see people’s teeth, people that need teeth miracles, grey teeth, black teeth, I release angels of dentistry, and I see teeth turning to bright gold and bright silver crowns and fillings. Again, I see more instant weight loss miracles occurring even right now in the audience and those watching on TV. I see a rotator cuff on the right side, right shoulder also being healed right now in Jesus’ name. A disc in the lower back, lumbar 3, 4, 6 and 9 popping back into place right now in the audience or on TV, and any sickness in the entire body, metal rods and metal screws turning back to bone right now. And anything else that’s wrong with you, just get up and jump up and down like 10 times. If I call any of these things out or if faith has come into you to be healed right now, and then after you jump around a while you check your body, and you check it like 10 times until you see the miracle. If it’s your teeth ask people to look in your mouth.

SID: And fingers, the arthritis is leaving your fingers. Carpal tunnel, you have no carpal tunnel any more. And backs, wow. I mean, anyone that has a back problem you are healed in Jesus’, spines straightening in Jesus’ name. Pain of all kind be gone in Yeshua’s name.

SID: Welcome. I have to explain to everyone watching what’s going on. I told the audience that if they were loud enough I wouldn’t hear the queues in my ear, and I’d have to rely completely on God. And they liked that idea. To tell you the truth, I kind of like that idea, too. Well I tell you that my world is naturally supernatural. It’s the air I breathe. It’s the best oxygen in the world. And we have found a key, a supernatural key that the first Jewish believers in the Messiah understood. But sadly, today Christians have lost this Jewish understand and have missed the key to the most extraordinary blessings of God in your family, in your health, in your emotions, in every area of your life, and instead settled for many, many curses that were not necessary. We’re going to show you how this key opens up the blessing and gets rid of the curses, and you can do it the way the book says you’re supposed to do it. There’s this ancient Jewish key that will unlock every problem known to mankind. But there are people that are watching right now and you are hopeless. You have no hope because of the circumstances in your life and you’re going to get the key. Craig Hill, what would you say to someone that his hopeless right now?

CRAIG: You know, it’s incredible, Sid, that there is hope because of Messiah. And you know, there was a man that we learned about in Mark, Chapter 5 in the Bible. This man is called the Gadarene Demoniac. He had absolutely no hope. He was kicked out of his town, kicked out of his home. He was living in a cemetery all by himself full of a legion of demons. And this man had an encounter with Jesus the Messiah.

SID: So we can say this man was as hopeless as your situation, more hopeless than your situation.

CRAIG: And I believe, Sid, as you just alluded to, you have hope, because the same thing can happen for you even if you’re drowning in debt. You might be sick. You might have a horrible relationship in your family. There’s hope for you because the same thing will happen for you today. You’ll have an encounter with Jesus the Messiah that will change everything.

SID: We Jewish people are known as a blessed group of people.

CRAIG: Yeah.

SID: Our nation Israel is one of the most blessed nations in the world. I mean, their currency goes down, compared our currency going down. Their real estate just goes up and never stops. They’ve got some of the greatest inventions in the world. Why is that?

CRAIG: You know, I believe that Jewish people understand the principle of blessing, Sid, that most other people don’t understand. It’s incredible in the United States, Jewish people account for only two percent of the population. But do you know that 40 percent of the Forbes 400 wealthiest Americans, all billionaires, are Jewish. And it’s incredible. Actually, 30 percent of all Nobel Prize winners in science are Jewish. Twenty-five percent of all Nobel Prize winners overall are Jewish. Why is that? I think the key that they understand is Jewish parents know how to release blessing to their children.

SID: Give me your definition of a blessing.

CRAIG: Well I think blessing is speaking into another person’s life what God says about them. Actually, the Hebrew word is “baruch”. Most Jewish people would know that as the beginning of many, many prayers that are spoken. And that word literally means to kneel in front of someone. But the spiritual connotation is to empower, to prosper. So blessing is when you speak what God says about another person to them and it releases something supernatural and empowers them to prosper.

SID: Tell me about the 65-year old that went to the 87-year old for a blessing.

CRAIG: Well there was a man that I knew, a friend of mine, and he realized that his father deep inside was like a little child that had never been released. He was angry a lot of times, spent his lifetime searching for significance, searching for value. And my friend realized, my dad, who’s going to be 65 years old, has never been blessed. He placed a phone call to his grandfather, who was 87, and said, “Grandpa, my dad is about to have his 65^th birthday. If I bought you an airline ticket would you come to our city and lay hands on my dad, look him in the eyes and release your blessing to him.” Well the 87-year old dad didn’t really understand what was being requested, but he said, “I’d love to come and see my family and celebrate my son’s 65^th birthday.” So he did. And then my friend was able to explain to him what he was requesting. And do you know, Sid, on that 65^th birthday this 87-year old father released his blessing to his 65-year old son, and it so radically changed his life. My friend the grandson, who was 42 at the time said, “Do you know, after that moment I looked into my dad’s eyes and something had changed. I no longer saw a scared insecure little boy looking back out through a man’s eyes. But for the first time, I saw a confident man.” And here’s the amazing thing. That 65-year old man was actually in the midst of a divorce. His wife had left him, was divorcing him. His life was so changed that two weeks later his wife moved back home and said, “I don’t know what’s happened to him, but this is the man I thought I married 45 years ago. But for 45 years, I’ve been trying to follow an insecure little boy who’s angry and takes it out on me all the time. But now he’s completely changed. I don’t know what happened, but I don’t want to divorce him. I want to live the rest of my life with him.”

SID: Many of these are doors that were opened unintentionally that passed from generation to generation. So not only are you going to know about the ancient Jewish blessing, but you’re going to learn how to close the door on the purses, and it doesn’t have to go to the next generation. We’ll be right back. You want to hear that?

SID: Hello. Sid here with Kynan Bridges. And Kynan, the Word of God works in your family. It works when you teach it to other people in your congregation.

KYNAN: Yes.

SID: Tell me, when you read a promise, Jesus said that if you speak to a mountain the mountain will move. I know you literally believe that. Have you moved any mountains?

KYNAN: Actually, I have. I have moved several mountains in Jesus’ name. But one that really comes to mind is my son when he was very young. Our son Isaac is our last born son.

SID: I like that name.

KYNAN: I’m sure you do, Sid. That’s my last born son. And actually, he was born with a hernia in his belly button. It was really big, it was really wide. My wife and I, we had been meditating on Mark 11:23 where Jesus said, if you move the mountain, if you speak to the mountain and not doubting your heart, but believe in what you say will come to pass, you’ll have what you say. So I took God at His word. I said, “Well God, we don’t want this herniated belly button, so we’re going to speak to it.” And so we began to speak to it, and we said, “Belly button go down in Jesus’ name.” In four hours, it shrunk.

SID: You and your wife saw it shrink.

KYNAN: We saw it shrink, literally.

SID: What did this do for your faith?

KYNAN: It ignited my faith. Because we need to know that the promises of God work. And so when we see something happen it builds our faith. But let me say this. There is a young lady right now, your name is Danielle and you’ve been dealing with autoimmune disorder. And God wants you to know that you can speak to that mountain of autoimmune disorder, and it must obey your voice. Don’t doubt. Believe God.

SID: Your wife has been hit with a lot of sickness. I guess this is your laboratory, your wife’s laboratory. Your wife had an irregular heartbeat.

KYNAN: She did.

SID: Tell me about that.

KYNAN: Well it happened, it was actually before my daughter my born, my wife started having an irregular heartbeat and it lasted for almost three years, Sid. And we were going through this challenge. And we decided that, and it’s frustrating when you’re in the Word of God and you’re preaching the Word of God, and things begin happening in your life. It can be frustrating.

SID: But you know what? I believe it’s thrown at you to stop you from what you’re doing.

KYNAN: Absolutely.

SID: But instead, what the devil meant for evil—

KYNAN: God turned it around.

SID: Yeah.

KYNAN: He did.

SID: I like that.

KYNAN: Amen. So we were actually in a meeting, and my wife, there was a man of God that was speaking. And my wife released her faith. He received the word of knowledge and said, “Someone has an irregular heartbeat.” My wife released her faith for healing, and immediately, Sid, her heart became regular in that moment. And it’s never gone back again.

SID: I like that. The best medical science can do is they take these two panels and they put shocks on you. I like that much better.

KYNAN: That’s right.

SID: You know, you were teaching, and I was fascinated about the Passover, communion and the Exodus, and not one feeble. Teach a little bit about that.

KYNAN: Well the Bible talks about in Exodus, that when the chosen of Israel, they came out of Egypt, the Bible says, right before they came out they were instructed by God to perform the Passover, and they were supposed to eat unleavened bread and they were to roast a lamb and put the blood on the doorpost. Well the Bible says the death angel passed over, and we see that in scripture and people teach on that. But what we don’t focus on a lot is what happened after that, Sid. The Bible declares in Psalm 107 that, “There were none feeble among them, none sick.” That word means sickness. Now you have to imagine how many people would be sick after 430 years of slavery with no healthcare. There would be lepers. There would be all kinds of people with diseases. But the Bible says, when they partook of that Passover—

SID: You know what I’m thinking? The government doesn’t have the answer for healthcare.

KYNAN: That’s right.

SID: But God has the answer for healthcare.

KYNAN: Absolutely. Because Sid, what the church needs to understand is that God is a covenant God. He’s a covenant God. What that means is that He must, and I want to be clear what I’m saying, He absolutely must honor His word. He cannot, God says in Psalms that “He has said His word above all His name,” which  means that God has obligated Himself to honor His covenant. And Passover is a covenant. And what happens is that when they took that Passover it released the supernatural power of God and they were healed instantly, so that none of them were sick. But guess what, Sid, the same thing is available to the church today.

SID: Because you know what? That was a shadow. Now if on the shadow of the substance, what, how many, a couple million people?

KYNAN: That’s right.

SID: Of all ages coming from slavery.

KYNAN: That’s right.

SID: No affordable health, no doctors, no lawyers. What a world. But there wasn’t one, this is mind-blowing to me, Kynan. Not one feeble among the, not one. They had problems with their memory, not one that had cancer, not one that had heart trouble, not one that had arthritis under the shadow. What happens when you come face to face with the real thing? When we come back we’re going to do that. I promise you.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. There’s such a presence of God on this set. I believe it’s going to go right through your television now, as a matter of fact. There’s an insidious enemy that most people have. Some haven’t even identified this enemy, and this enemy is called fear. It’s stopping you from achieving your destiny. It is stopping you from selling out completely to the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s stopping you from having supernatural peace. Well my guest has had plenty of reasons to be fearful. On two different occasions doctors have said, “You are going to die from the disease that you have.” But my guest has conquered this enemy and has a mandate from God to teach you to conquer this enemy. He tells me that he has not experienced fear in 10 years. How would you like to be like that? I was telling my guest that this what he went through is so amazing that there should be a Hollywood movie about this. You’re going to be so shocked. He’s a nice all-American kid, football, swimming, good grades. And then out of the blue something happens. He’s sledding one day and he sleds right into a car, and he’s damaged physically, and he’ll never be better, and his whole identity is lost. He can’t be an athlete any more. And then he starts running with the wrong crowd and drugs, and guns, and violence. And fortunately, he didn’t die. Many of his friends died in high school that he was running with. But as a result of what he went through, he finally snapped. He lost his ability to function as a human. So they put him into the Delaware State Institution for the Insane, and they decided the only thing they could do was an electronic lobotomy. That means he would be confined to being about a three-year-old for the rest of his life. But two days before the lobotomy, a courageous man shares the Gospel with him and Gary Whetstone said a prayer of salvation. He didn’t understand what he was doing, but all of a sudden after that prayer, he was in his right mind. So he goes to the doctor, because in two days he’s going to have this lobotomy, and what happened, Gary?

GARY: I end up in the doctor’s office and I’m telling him exactly what happened. Here I am. I’ve got long red hair, long beard. They’re taking me in hand restraints, feet restraints. And I said, “Look, my mind is sound.” He said, “How did you get a sound mind?” I said, “Jesus came in. I’m hearing the voice of God.”

SID: You’re hearing voice. You tell a psychiatrist this in a mental institution. Oy vey.

GARY: I said, “I’m hearing the voice of God.” So the guy looks down his nose and sits back, and he writes something down in his pad. I could tell the guy would not believe me. So I jumped up and I beat the guy in the face. That’s what a mental patient does. So anyway, how many other people act like that when they get born again? So anyway, here I am. They put me back in restraints. I’m going back to isolation. They shot me up again with the drugs they knocked me down with. And here I am and they put me in this corridor going back to the isolation ward. That’s where I lived. I lived in an isolated cell. And they took the restraints off my hands and my feet. And Sid, I heard an audible voice speak to me. I’m standing in the middle of that hallway and I hear this voice, “Run.” Well I’m a mental patient. So I’m thinking, where?

SID: Everything is padlocked. Where are you going to run?

GARY: I mean, I’m in a caged area. They’ve got padlocks on all the walls of the doors, everything. If I go back and forth I’ve got about 15 feet to run. If I go back and forth this way, I’ve got five feet. So I get this next thought, “run”! I hear it again. I look over to my left and there’s a door that had several deadbolts on it, chain lock and it was taken off and open. And I ran out of the state hospital that day, went into the solarium where the more trusted inmates were, you know, the mental patients. And so I remember, because when the state police cruiser brought me in months ago I remember seeing more stable people. So I run in there and I said, “I’m on a run!” So you hear these people going, “run, run, run”. So a guy throws this big huge blue pea coat over on me and big boots, shoe size 14, 15. I wear a size 9-1/2. Anyway, so I’m running out and I’m thinking, they’re going to think I’m running from the mental hospital. I’ve got a “Property of State Hospital” shirt, “Property of State Hospital” pants, you know. So I tuck my beard in, put the overcoat on and say, “Hey, bud,” and I walk straight out, and the guard lets me out of the mental hospital.

SID: Yeah, but then, listen to this. When he gets out a car is heading right for him. Quickly, what happened?

GARY: I ran right in the middle of that road and the car went through me. The next thing I knew I’m on the sidewalk, and I’m thinking, what was that? And I saw this car pull over to the side of the road. So I thought, oh man, they’re going to turn me in. So I started running down the road.

SID: But many years later, what happened?

GARY: That woman that was in that car was a psychologist in the state hospital. She was a regular psychologist, and she saw a man with red hair, deep blue eyes come up on to her windshield, and she thought she killed me. But she said, all of a sudden his body passed through her car. And she was shocked, got over to the side of the road and the audible voice of God spoke to her, “Do not turn him in. He belongs to me.”

SID: Now listen. That same God that did this for Gary loves you as much. He ran and ran, and then he came back because God told him to come back. And they tested him, and they let him out. But I’m going to tell you something. He had an encounter with overcoming fear. He has a mandate to teach you to overcome fear of everything. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I love the rarified air of Heaven. I can tell you this. I am concerned. There is a diabolical supernatural strategy to stop our children and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren from knowing God. It has never been so ferocious as it is out there. Godly children raised in Godly families are being snatched away through the education system. Well my guest is a prophet and through his own family, He showed him a greater supernatural strategy, and he says if this strategy is followed, because it’s supernatural of God, you will not lose your children, you will not lose your grandchildren. You will not lose your great-grandchildren. My guest, Mike Shreve a nice, nice Yoga instructor, I mean, he has 400 students. He’s teaching Yoga in four different universities and there’s a nice article about him in the local newspaper. And a prayer group reads this article and they kept a [unintelligible] to pray him into intimacy with God. And they pray and pray. And one day he’s hitchhiking and guess who picks him up? Not only a member of the prayer group that’s been praying for him and fasting for him, but a former student of his. He has an amazing supernatural encounter with God. And as a result of this encounter, he goes back to these four Yoga groups at the university and he tells them of this amazing encounter. Now that’s the last thing they expected for you, Mike Shreve. But you tell them this and then you tell them they can experience the same power and the same God you experienced. And what happened?

MIKE: Well almost all of my students became Christians as well. And I was running a Yoga ashram at the time, which is a commune where people live and study on a more disciplined level, and all of my students in the community gave their hearts to the Lord. So it was really radical transformation. In one day everything just exploded with the power of God.

SID: So he gets so excited about God he forgets to get married. So he’s 39, he’s not married and he hears an audible voice. Tell me about that.

MIKE: Well I made a covenant with God when I was 20, that I would not date or entertain thoughts of marriage until it was time, and I threw myself into mission work and evangelism. But then when I was 39 years old God woke me up and He spoke to me audibly, and He told me who to marry, and He told me that we would have a son. And that became very important to know a little later on.

SID: Especially because he has this wonderful word from God. He knows who he’s supposed to marry. He marries the woman. He knows about the child that’s coming, and his wife is not able to have children. So what did you do?

MIKE: Well we went on the Word. God had spoken and so we disregarded the negative report. The Scriptures says, “Whose report shall you believe.” And we made the decision to make God’s report as the true one. And the enemy didn’t stop fighting there. Once the barrenness was conquered the next attack came with my son himself.

SID: And let me say this. What you’re hearing now is a prophetic story because what Mike learned with his son and his next child, he then took these supernatural principles and said, whatever God could do for him, God wants to do for you. So you battled through your son. What happened?

MIKE: Well he laid in the birth canal a very long period of time. In fact, my wife was in labor for 48 hours. And I’m sure any mother listening to this can relate to the painfulness of that. And then the umbilical cord was wrapped three times around his neck also. And they didn’t catch that quick enough, and they let him lay in the birth canal too long. And so after the birth was over the doctors came into the room with us and they said, “Now you need to brace yourself. He suffered oxygen deprivation and it’s inevitable he’ll have serious brain damage. He may never talk. He may never function normally as a human being.” But God had told me that I would have a son who was an attractive son, and that was His wording, which I thought was curious. But that didn’t mean that he would be severely brain damaged. And so we began to claim and confess, and speak and decree that my son was normal, and that my son was healed, and that he was delivered. And he just entered into Leigh University a few years ago and was placed in the highest honor society available on that campus.

SID: Listen. I mean, this kid should have been a vegetable, should have been brain damaged. But because Mike tapped into the supernatural words of the living God and knew how to believe, different story, he not only is in the honors program, you told me he had a photographic memory.

MIKE: He’s amazing .He doesn’t even have to hardly read a book. If he just scans it, he remembers it.

SID: I mean, this is normal. This is normal. We’re supposed to be the head and not the tail.

MIKE: That’s right.

SID: And it’s about time we start being normal. Okay. You had a miracle with your son. Now comes to your daughter. What happens to her?

MIKE: Well we were in a meeting with the doctor around the fourth or fifth month of my wife’s pregnancy, and he came in with a very glum look and very, serious somber look on his face. And he pointed to a screen where he showed us the ultrasound, and there was a very dark spot right near the base of the spine. And he proceeded to explain that my daughter had spina bifida, and because of certain chemical things going on in my wife’s body, he said she’ll have cretinism as well, which is a severe form of retardation. And then he leaned over his desk and he looked at us very intensely and said, “There is an alternative.” And we knew what he meant. He meant abortion. And so we took him at his word. We took an alternative. We never went back to him again.

SID: I like that alternative. Don’t you? I do.

MIKE: I didn’t want to be around that kind of spirit. But as we left his office, Sid, my wife was of course torn to pieces emotionally over this. But as we walked out of the door, the Holy Spirit fell on her and she was thrown into this visionary kind of experience where she sensed a little child dancing, and she heard the audible voice of God say, “Your daughter will dance on the streets of Jerusalem.” Hallelujah. He had just told she would never walk with this hole in her spine. But God said she’ll dance. And she still a little flustered. And so we got in the car, and she reached over and turned the radio on, and the first song that came on was that country Christian song, “I Hope You Dance”.

SID: That’s called confirmation.

MIKE: That was definitely a confirmation from God. And so from that point forward, we just began to claim the promises of God. And one of my wife’s favorite promises to claim is Psalm 138, Verse 8, that says, “The Lord will perfect that which concerns me.” And she would lay hands on her belly and say, “Little baby, little girl, you concern me and God’s Word therefore says you are perfect, and I proclaim you are perfect.” And then when we would confess Psalm 139 over her, Verses 13 and 14 says, “For you formed my inward parts. You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are your works and that my soul knows right well.” And then the psalmist went on to say God had created those inward parts “when as yet there were none of them”. And so we began to claim that the spine was wonderfully made and that God was working a marvelous work, and that she be whole.

SID: You know what I’ve noticed? Is that you can pray for something. But when you have the written word of the Living God, how much stronger is your faith.

MIKE: Absolutely.

SID: And there’s a power. There’s a certain power on the Word of God that isn’t on your normal words.

MIKE: Well Jesus was the Word made flesh, and he was the embodiment of the Word, and of course he was the perfect man. And when he faced off with the devil his strength was to say, “It is written.” And if the one who was perfect who was the Word manifested in the human body resorted to the written Word when he faced a battle in life, how much more should we imperfect human beings do the same thing.

SID: Okay. Talking about a wonderfully and fearfully made God will perfect, what did the doctor say when your daughter was born?

MIKE: Now he didn’t know what my wife had been praying. And when that child came forth from the womb, who by the way months ahead of time we named Destiny Hope because the doctor offered no hope and no destiny, and we counteracted that with a prophetic name. And when she came out of the womb, the first words the doctor said was, “She’s perfect.”

SID: Now I like that kind of [unintelligible]. Thank you God. Thank you God.

MIKE: And she was.

SID: Okay. But what about the dancing.

MIKE: Well at an early age from the time she was about three years old onward her favorite thing to do was to stand in front of the television and watch these videos where there would be a dozen little kids dancing alone with Christian music, and she would dance along with them. By the time she was five or six she was in a dance troupe with young people twice her age, and she could dance just as good as they could. And she’s very gifted, very gifted in that area.

SID: I love the prophetic Word. I love the prophetic Word that we have in writing, the Word of God. Tell me briefly about your son when he went to Heaven.

MIKE: Oh well that’s really based on one of the 65 promises that God has given our children. One of them found in Isaiah’s writings, Isaiah 54 says that, “All your children shall be taught by the Lord and great shall be the peace of your children.” There’s only a certain degree that our teaching can take our children to. We can transfer ideas from their mind, but that Divine revelation has to come to God. And God did that for my son when, I guess he was four or five, one morning he came down from his bedroom with this brightness all over him, and he said, “Mommy, Daddy, I died in my sleep last night and Jesus took me to Heaven.” Now I don’t think he actually died. He interpreted the experience that way. “And he took me around Heaven and talked to me, and told me different things about my life.” And we said, “Well what did he tell you?” Well one thing, he said Jesus told him not to watch bad television, and that Jesus told him to always have compassion on all people. And then he looked at his real quizzically and he said, “What does that word mean, compassion?” So that verified to us it wasn’t just an imaginary thing with him. And we told him, of course that means love that feels the suffering and the pain of someone else. But I believe that was a landmark experience in his life.

SID: You know, another promise that you used for your daughter for at least a month when she was, you told me how old, about being filled with the Holy Spirit.

MIKE: Oh yes.

SID: Tell me about that.

MIKE: In Isaiah 44, Verses 3 and 4, God said, “I will pour water on him who is thirsty.” That’s our responsibility to be thirsty for God, thirsty for the things of God. And God said, “I will pour the floods on the dry ground. I will pour my spirit on your seed and my blessing on your offspring.” And my daughter was about five years old and she had not been filled with the Holy Spirit yet. So I started claiming that promise after I found it. Everyday I would confess, now God, you said in your Word, “I will pour out my spirit on your seed, on your descendants.” I was in a revival meeting in Carbon Hill, Alabama, and she was there with a group of young people, and I preached on the infilling of the Holy Spirit. She came forward, fell out of the power, spoke in tongues about 45 minutes. She crawled up in my arms just trembling and weeping, and said, “Oh Daddy, Jesus filled me. Jesus filled me.” Now did that happen because I claimed the promise? I believe that had a significant impact. I believe that made the difference.

SID: But you know what I see when you go through potential tragedy, potential blessing? You’re not pleading, oh God, please. There is a conviction that you have in the Word of God.

MIKE: That’s why it’s so essential for parents to learn this revelation, and grandparents, because you never stop praying for your children. It’s because most parents pray in desperation, like you said, especially when a son or a daughter goes out into darkness. They’ll plead, they’ll beg, they’ll weep, they’ll cry, “Oh God, please move from my daughter,” which certainly does not go unheard in Heaven. But how much powerful it is when you find out what God has already made a commitment to do. Like Deuteronomy 7:9 says, “He is the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy with those who love Him to a thousand generations.”

SID: I like that, expect I think Jesus coming back way before a thousand generations. But I’m going to tell you something. Mike operates in the gift of prophet and he has heard some very personal words about President Obama. Don’t go away.

Sid:Julie True why in the world would someone have to command their soul to bless the Lord, we should all want to do this?

Julie:  Yeah, I think we do have to tell our soul to come in alignment with the Spirit of God and with our own spirit.So I totally believe that there’s a place for strengthening yourself in the Lord and just saying “Oh my soul find rest in God alone, or bless the Lord oh my soul.”

Sid:“Bless the Lord oh my soul, an all that is within me, bless His holy name.  Bless the Lord oh my soul and forget not all His benefits; who forgives all my iniquities, who heals all my diseases.  Who redeems my life from destruction.”Can you picture Julie, David saying this he’s just he reminding his soul that time and time again that God has provided for him and maybe there was some big thing that was ready to happen in his life and he had to have every fiber of his being bless the Lord.  And that’s what I want everyone that’s listening to us to be doing.  I want everything that you do in your life is because of God’s love and you want to love God with all of your heart, and because God loves you with all of His heart.  And that’s what I think of Julie when I hear your music and when I mean…Do you feel confident that God really loves you Julie True?

Julie:  Yes and when you are speaking that, just speaking that scripture and with authority and speaking it over me just then, I feel such life in that and I feel the love of God and I feel like it’s a reminder to not forget what God has done because He loves us so much. And He has totally redeemed our lives and He has called us His own. I just…Wow, that was powerful when you’re reading that just then.

Sid:I just, I’ve been really listening to your latest CDs and I am kind of overwhelmed because it’s been awhile since you’ve been a guest at the supernatural peace that is released wherever.  How would you…you know I recently moved into a new apartment.You know what I did I put Julie True’s music on I figure no demon in hell can handle that supernatural peace, you find that…tell me about the woman that puts her children to sleep with your music.

Julie:  Well, there’s…I’ve heard lots of stories about people using my music to help their children sleep at night, or even to change their sleep schedules around if they’ve gotten messed up, and their kind of waking up in the middle of the night.  But there was one lady that she actually has children staying in her house and she said that she had been playing my music for two years for two hours every day while the children in her house were taking naps.She said that my music relaxes them and puts them to sleep quickly, and that one four year old girl dreams of God regularly.  And most amazing thing to me was that there was another child that was born with half of a chin and that she had possible learning disabilities, but over this period of time her chin has totally grown out and she’s almost the smartest one here.  And she just said that she felt like my music it just made a way for God’s presence to flow in her house.

Sid:Well, your music is a release of healing I believe.For instance I want you to hear Julie True and all of her music is spontaneous and in other words God gives it to her.Even if in a concert she’ll do a song that she’s was just given this music by God. How about tell me about “Healing in Your Presence” Julie tell me about that song.

Julie:  That was another declaration that just came up in the middle of a ministry time and a soaking time. I just started singing there’s healing in your presence, there’s healing in Your presence,there’s healing in Your Name.It’s just it’s really just taking a truth of God and just singing it and the spontaneous and the moment creation of a song just brings that to life and I feel like the music just it gives a way for it to go in deep to go into people’s spirits.

Sid:Tell me about someone with Alzheimer’s that they played you music for.

Julie:  Yes I remember a lady who had been a caregiver for a person that had Alzheimer’s.They had been a really difficult patient for her and she was kind of at a loss and she just started playing my music in the house where she was taking care of this person.It completely changed their persona and made them be kinder to her they had not been being very nice.  And so I think that it’s just God’s presence you know it’s just making away for Him to begin…

Sid:You know your music really just kind of tenderizes peoples’ hearts, makes them sensitive to hearing God and walking in the Spirit; has anyone told you that?

Julie:  I know that one lady did tell me that she said that “I feel like that you translate God’s response to every wounded spirit into these musical notes.  And that the musical notes resonate in her spirit,” and so I love that, I love to hear that.

Sid:Well, let’s hear “Healing In Your Presence.”

Julie True “Healing in Your Presence”