SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I’m here with Clarice and Ron Holden. What would happen to you if you got a phone call and found out that your husband was just hit by a drunk driver? Worse than that, he had a truck. And your husband had three hours to live. What would you do? How would your world be changed? Well what Clarice Holden did is so amazing to me. I know the story, I know the results, and I’m still in awe over what Clarice did. But I want to go back a little bit. Ronnie, your dad was an alcoholic, you were an alcoholic, you were into drugs, and your wife gets religion. What did you think about her?

RONNIE: I thought she had completely lost her mind.

SID: Well did you give her a hard time?

RONNIE: Oh absolutely. All I could, I gave her a hard time. I didn’t believe what she was doing.

SID: Ok. You had a prophecy. In other words, a man said “I have a message for you from God.”
What was that message?

CLARICE: He said, “The last two years have been a living hell, but the next two are going to be even worse.

SID: Oh no! How would you like to get a word like that?

CLARICE: It was not good at the beginning, but he finished by saying “Your husband will be on his deathbed, flat on his back, all alone, and he will see the salvation of God. He will have a visitation from God.” And I said, “How in the world is this going to happen? He will not speak to a Christian.” You know, whenever something like that happened, I just could not picture it. But that’s the way it happened.

SID: Ok. Ronnie, tell me about the day, the moment, this prophecy came to pass.

RONNIE: It was in 1984. It was February 17th. I was lying in bed, and somehow I just woke up.
It was like 3 o’clock in the morning, and I was lying in bed. I was in rehab. And I looked up and the room was white, like clouds were in the room. And this Man was standing over the bed, and to me, it looked like a picture I had seen in the Bible of Jesus when I was a little boy. And He just stood there and put His hands out to me, and I didn’t really realize what was going on, but at that time I was delivered of alcohol and drugs and things in my life.

SID: Now when you say delivered, how bad was your alcohol addiction?

RONNIE: I drank all the time. I’d stay out two or three days, I had blackouts. I drank pretty much most of the time.

SID: But you can’t… You understand now, you can’t instantly lose an addiction like that. Are you telling me, instantly you lost this addiction?

RONNIE: Well I didn’t think so either. I had tried so many different ways to lose it, and I didn’t realize it’d really happened. But when I got up and went outside, I started thinking about alcohol and thinking about drugs, and I physically got nauseated even thinking about it. I had no desire for it at all.

SID: What kind of drugs were you on?

RONNIE: I was addicted to cocaine…

SID: Again, you can’t just walk away from cocaine. You had a real miracle.

RONNIE: In the natural world you can’t, but I had a miracle. And I wasn’t really expecting anything to happen to me. I’d never heard of anything like that before. I never knew anybody that that happened to. But I cried out, and I knew I was going to die, and I only had one chance. I had heard about religion or God, but I didn’t think He’d help me, because I was a mean person. I was a bad person. And I had no idea God would help me, but as a last resort, after I’d tried everything else, I cried out to God “I’m going to die, I’m not going to make it. I only have a few more days the way I’m living my life.” And that happened. It changed my life.

SID: Clarice, when he told you this story, what went on inside of you?

CLARICE: Well first, I got a call from him; he said, “Will you bring me a Bible?” I’m like “Oh my goodness, yes I’ll bring you a Bible.” And I got there, I was so excited, it was just amazing. It was what I had always dreamt of and prayed for, and to see him acting different. And he just played this game. He would take that Bible and he would open it up and he would point, and whatever he wanted, God was so supernaturally showing him what he wanted to see, and it was the answer that he needed at that time.

SID: Listen, you got, not only a brand new husband, God began to prosper the two of you. Tell me just briefly, Clarice, how He prospered you financially.

CLARICE: Well, first of all, He restored our marriage. That was number one, which was wonderful. And then, our restaurant, it flourished. God really just showed Ronnie how to go in
and change things in the menu and in the restaurant, and it just started prospering. And then we opened a clothing business, and that has been phenomenal. God has just blessed both of them. And we have invested in real estate, and it’s been good, and it’s really been great. It really has.

SID: I mean it sounds almost like a storybook romance. A marriage is restored; their finances are being showered, Ronnie, you’re hearing from God on how to prosper in your business. And then, on May 8th, 2000, he gets hit by a drunk driver in a car. The driver’s in a truck. You literally catapulted out of your car? Did you have your seatbelt on?

RONNIE: I had a seatbelt on; it broke it off the back of the seat and threw me out the passenger window.

SID: And then, you go out the passenger window, and the truck comes rolling over and just stops short of falling on you, but it doesn’t matter, you had everything imaginable wrong with you. I mean the doctors actually said three hours to live.

SID: The only word I can come up with is amazing, when you look at how quickly when the United States does something against Israel judgments hit the United States. If it was one, coincidence, if it was ten, still coincidence, but how many John McTernan have you personally identified?

JOHN: About seventy Sid, and I have probably about forty in my book, thee was too many to put them all in the book.

SID: Many, most within 24 hours?

JOHN: Same day Sid, twenty-four hours yes.

SID: give me some examples.

JOHN: Sid we have recent examples, June we had the massive floods in Iowa, worst floods in history, do you remember them Sid?

SID: Yes of course.

JOHN: Okay, at the height of the flood Condoleezza Rice was in Jerusalem and she was furious at the Israelis, absolutely furious because they were building homes in East Jerusalem, and the reason she was furious is they want East Jerusalem to become a Palestinian State, she wouldn’t admit that but she wants that to be the capital of the Palestinian State. She went as far as to say Sid, that the United States would not recognize those homes as being part of Israel. At the exact time she was there, at the exact time she was saying this, we were having Iowa with the worst floods in history, we had major cities in Iowa under water, we had the crops being destroyed, the dollar was absolutely free- falling, the stock market was crashing, and the price of oil was surging record, and that is in June. She goes there in August and she is doing the same thing and we have while she is there Tropical Storm Fay hit Florida four times, it hit Florida, came out and came back to hit.

SID: That was unusual the way that came about.

JOHN: The weathermen were amazed at this. But the exact time she was there bullying Israeli again, we had the entire state of Florida being devastated by Tropical Storm Fay.

SID: Keep Condoleezza away from Israel.

JOHN: Right, right, well Sid the unofficial, official policy of the United States has been to, in these negotiations, has been to divide Jerusalem, they haven’t said anything officially but unofficially it is obvious, like I just shared in June with Condoleezza Rice what she did. On September 11th of all days, the council general of the United States in Jerusalem finally let the cat out of the bag and said that the United States is officially working to divide Jerusalem. The State Department immediately denied it, they said these, they didn’t quite deny it they said these are being done in secret and they shouldn’t discuss it. Sid, the next day Hurricane Ike hit Texas.

SID: The next day?

JOHN: The next day Sid, the next day. And we know the damage that it has done. It has devastated Houston and Galveston, I mean just tremendous areas have been devastated by this; tens of thousands of homes destroyed and people homeless. Sid then on, actually it was Friday and it was Saturday when the Hurricane devastated the coast of Texas. Then Saturday and Sunday Lehman Brothers Bank failed, which is the largest bank in American, I guess in world history to fail, 639 billion dollars. Monday the stock market fell 300 and something points, it went up and it fell 400, and we know the chaos that has occurred since. So we have on a Thursday the United States coming out and it is official that we are working to divide Jerusalem, the very next day Hurricane Ike hits, the next day the Lehman Brothers Bank fails, then the stock market has been in absolute convulsions with huge loses and everything and you can trace it right back.

SID: Now John, your book covers this, I know you have said, this is the updated version, which just really is as updated as you can get, it is just literally off the printing press, but you have sent your book to senators and congressmen but sending it and reading it are two different things but if I could put you at this moment transport you to the US Senate what would you say to our senators? Look in the cameras and talk to them.

JOHN: Sid I would say to the politicians of America especially Sid, it is not the senators as much as it is the President and the State Department, that seems to be the real problem, Sid, and I would tell the President of the United States that as you divide Jerusalem, as you divide the Covenant Land, God is going to divide America Sid. To back off Jerusalem, to back off the Covenant Land, that America has no right to interfere with God’s prophetic plan.

SID: Well someone might say, “I’m a Muslim, I’m Hindu, what do I care about that?”

JOHN: Well Sid, it doesn’t really matter to the Lord whether you do it in ignorance or you do it with will, that if you, whomever interferes with God’s Covenant Land, who interferes with God’s prophetic plan for Israel, because we know Sid, ultimately the nation of Israel has to be there for the redemption, and the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

SID: So what we do know is we know Israel will be there but we don’t know about the United States.

JOHN: Sid, with what I believe the Lord has been showing me, the United States does not have long to exist as we know it, we have done everything to provoke the Lord, but the church will not listen Sid, there is a glazing that comes over people’s eyes when I speak to them about this, when I talk to pastors they refuse to stand up, they refuse to repent, they refuse to lead in prayer and fasting, and ask the Lord to have mercy on us for what we are doing, to change our governments policy, they act like nothing is happening Sid. And the judgments are falling all around us.

SID: What are you feeling in your belly at this moment?

JOHN: A complete economic meltdown; that we are heading into a third world nation with poverty Sid.

SID: You know the prophet Joel in the third chapter says that nations will be judged in the last days amazingly over only one issue, and the one issue it specifically says for dividing up my land. And now you look at this book that documents up to modern days, every single time the United States has lifted their finger against Israel horrible economic judgments, hurricanes, flooding, so what are we supposed to do at a time like this? There is only one thing that you can do and that is open up your heart to intimacy with God, that is all that counts, there are people listening to me right now and you go to church, you go to mosque, you go to synagogue, but I have to ask you the most important operative question, do you know God, it is wonderful that you watch people on television that know God, it is wonderful that your pastor knows God, but do you know God? This life is just a blink of the eye, that’s all that it is, and then eternity, and where are you going to spend eternity, who are you going to spend eternity with? You do not know when your end will come. This is the moment that if you have ever, ever, ever, thought it is possible to know God I tell you it is, if you have ever thought that God doesn’t love you, you are wrong because God is pure love. If you will reach out to God in your way and the only way is in the Name of Jesus, if you will say I repent of my sin, I am sorry and I ask to be forgiven, I make Jesus my Lord, my Savior, the choice is yours, God’s has already made a choice, He loves you, He so loves you He sent His Son. Now you chose God, it is life or death. Intimacy or nothing.

Sid: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary and Kathy Oates, and Gary and Kathy just want to see what the Bible says, they go to Brazil, he takes his shoes off in a meeting because the Spirit of God told him to do it, it’s dirty, he is resisting, had he not done that then the next thing wouldn’t have happened, he literally finds himself out of his body, he sees angels, he see Jesus, he comes back into his body and what happened next?

Gary: Well

Sid: Oh you told me your hand started burning.

Gary: Yes, my hands were burning, it was like my left hand was on fire and I didn’t feel like I could take it any longer and it was right then that Jesus let go of my hands and my spirit came back into my body. Now because my spirit had been in the presence of the Lord like that when my spirit came back into my body my body was like it exploded.

Sid: Now Kathy, what did he say to you after that?

Kathy: He couldn’t talk.

Sid: What do you mean he couldn’t talk; he could do a good job of speaking.

Gary: Listen, I was completely wasted, I couldn’t I was laying on the floor, it was like I was nailed to the floor, I couldn’t, I could hardly move, I was crying and I was saying, “God, I don’t understand all this stuff, I just want more of you.” I felt so little and so insignificant in the presence of Almighty God that it was the most incredible, awesome experience I had ever, I had ever had.

Sid: Okay, next day, fast forward, what happened?

Gary: Next day I got to the meeting early, the power of God hit me, I was on the front row, I hat the floor and again, I could not move and I was thinking what is going on, because I had difficulty speaking that whole day, I mean I couldn’t even get words out of my mouth, the presence of God was on me continuously during that time, I was weeping. Well I was on the floor and I saw the worship team as they began to worship and all of a sudden everything changed and God took me to a place, I saw a gold path, gold steps, a gold platform.

Sid: Now you have to understand he ahs never had experiences like this before, this is more like the Bible than what goes on with most religious Christians, so who do you want to choose, do you want to choose what a phenomena that occurs that is similar to the Bible or would you like to take a look at religion? Me, I like the Bible, go ahead.

Gary: Well I saw the gold platform, gold steps, on top of this top platform I saw a very large throne, I didn’t see anybody sitting on the throne, but to the right of the throne I saw Jesus standing there, he was wearing different clothes this time, and he had a scepter in his hand, and from his waist up the brilliance of light coming from him was overwhelming, I could barely look at it, and honestly Sid, I thought I was going to die. In fact, I thought you know, maybe I had died and gone to heaven because it was that real. Right then I came back into my body and I was writhing in agony on the floor, I had a look of terror on my face, I was screaming but no sound was coming out of my mouth. And Kathy saw me in that condition.

Kathy: Right.

Gary: And she was hollering you know, do something, do something, to the other guys around me.

Kathy: Right, it scared me.

Gary: And they said turn.

Sid: Did you think he was having a heart attack?

Kathy: I didn’t know what was happening, you have to understand you know, coming into a foreign country and then all of a sudden, Gary, I had never, never known him to be afraid about anything, not one thing in his life, he has always been positive, courageous, and to see the terror on his face, it was petrifying to me.

Sid: Okay, what happened next?

Gary: Well I was, they didn’t realize what was happening to me, the reason I had the look of terror on my face and was screaming in agony was because I was so acutely aware of my sinfulness in the presence of a holy God that it just brought terror to me and I was crying out, “God for give me, God forgive me.” And I felt just the cleansing of God coming over my life, it was just like, it was just like being thrown under a waterfall and totally cleansed, not just outwardly but inwardly, and on the inside again I was

Sid: We don’t realize who far removed we are from where God created us to be, we don’t realize, I mean this is a word you don’t hear often, sinful, we don’t realize how sinful we are unless God puts a spotlight on us.

Gary: That’s exactly right. Well my heart of repentance was met with total forgiveness from the Father, and I was on the floor this time for two hours, I couldn’t get up, I couldn’t move. I was weeping, when I tried to get up I couldn’t walk out, a couple of the people had to help me, I ended up in the very back of the church on the pack row sitting there and Kathy was asking me you know, what happened, what happened, and I couldn’t even tell her because I wanted to process all of this and I said, “I’ll tell you later, I’m okay.” But I was shaking and vibrating so much in the chair I could hardly sit in the chair.

Sid: So they bring you up on the platform and what type of miracles were released when you were there?

Gary: Well I mean it was amazing,they had to carry me up on the platform in a chair; I couldn’t walk up there myself.

Kathy: He couldn’t talk.

Gary: I couldn’t talk, and I was with Randy Clark, and Randy, he came over to ask me what had been happening. I couldn’t speak, he had Kathy come up, Kathy told what I had told her and the place came unglued. It was like a tornado just swept through the place, people were falling, they were crying out, people were being sovereignly healed, there was such a strong manifest presence of God in the place.

Sid: Were many people healed?

Gary: All over the place, right after that, once I was finally able to talk, this was a little later on, people came up for prayer, I was able to stand up because only by the grace of God, and I began to pray for people, there was a long line, every person I prayed for was instantly healed, it was like there was a whole different dynamic.

Sid: Listen Gary and Kathy, there is a glory, that same glory is in this studio right now, did you hear what he just said, every single person he prayed for was healed.

SID: Sid Roth here with David Herzog. David, in Bethel, Israel, I love Israel.

DAVID: I love it, too.

SID: And in Bethel, Israel, you had an open vision of the End Times. And guess what? What he’s about ready to share, it’s about ready to happen.

DAVID: When I was in Bethel I had an open Heaven encounter. I had our team lay on the floor. It’s called Bethel. This is the Gate of Heaven. I said, “This is the gate. I’m going to tap into this.”

SID: Sure.

DAVID: I said, let me test this gate out. So we had some worship behind me. I had everyone lay on the ground and I taught them how to enter into the third Heaven. And we worshiped and people were taken to Heaven. I saw it, the Crystal Sea. I was taken up to the Crystal Sea and I saw Jesus, Yeshua. And I looked in his eyes, and I never had it like that before. And he was flaming fire, and he looked at me and said, “Thank you so much for touching Isaac, the Jewish people. But now would you also reach Ishmael.” And I said, “Yes, Lord.” And immediately doors opened for me to go to Kuwait, Bahrain, all these Muslim countries, Dubai.

SID: Did you have the same miracles there as you’ve had in Israel and all over the world?

DAVID: The same God works everywhere the same, same signs and wonders, miracles touching Muslins, Jewish people, Hindus, Buddhists. I had a bunch of Iranians get saved.

SID: I want to get this. Jesus thanked you for reaching Jewish people?

DAVID: I was surprised. I said, yeah, of course. I didn’t know what to say. What do you say when you’re in a realm like that. I was just humbled to be there.

SID: What did God show you is happening in these End Times, especially, and this concerns me a great deal, is I am Jewish and all of my family is Jewish. What did He show you about anti-Semitism.

DAVID: He showed me that in America whenever things get worse historically, and it’s going to happen again in America, when things get really bad they’ll blame the Jews once again. It will probably be a combination of the markets crashing and Israel, wars with Israel, Iran and other countries. When that happens, when it gets to a really bad point they’ll turn against the Jewish people. The Lord showed me that very clearly in America. And Jews would have a hard time even getting out. They’d have to hide and go through different locations like Native American reservations, and different states will have like refuge places. But they’ll have to start making their way to Israel.

SID: It’s almost like the underground railroad was to African-Americans. I believe there will be an underground railroad for Jewish people. Now you teach about the Elijah Glory. I love it. Tell me about that.

DAVID: I like the Elijah realm because it says in Malachi, it says, the spirit of Elijah will come.

SID: By the way, it says in Malachi, the spirit of Elijah is going to come, a spirit of miracles, “when the hearts of the fathers are turned to the children and the hearts of the children are turned to the fathers.” And do you know who the fathers of the Christian faith are? The Jews.

DAVID: Exactly.

SID: And do you know who the children are? The Christians. And it says, unless that occurs there will be a curse. But if it occurs, guess what? What a mitzvah. What a blessing.

DAVID: When you start blessing the Jews, praying for the Jews, sharing the Gospel with the Jews and doing anything with them or to help them, what happens is you get the fullness of what was lost. It will be like the raising of the dead, like a resurrection power comes on believers when they connect with the Jewish people in some way. Those who don’t will actually start losing the influence and power they have now. And the Elijah, like you said, the Elijah is the Jew and the gentile coming together, creates a fullness of power, of glory, of His presence, of favor directly from God.

SID: Tell me more about what’s going to happen with the Elijah Glory? Are we going to see a lot of dead people raised?

DAVID: Yeah. I had a vision that God showed me. In the last days we’ll see mass resurrections, not one here or one there.

SID: Mass. So we’ll go into funeral homes and they’ll go out of business?

DAVID: Yeah, that, too. I saw disaster areas, areas that go hit by natural disaster or terrorism, or some kind of sickness. Believers will come in there and begin commanding the dead bodies to come back, and there will be a mass resurrection.

SID: Now do you believe the miracles and this resurrection glory that you’ve seen is connected somehow with Jewish people?

DAVID: A hundred percent. It says right there in Romans, it says, “If the Jews come back into salvation it will be as the raising of the dead.” And I believe the key to resurrection power is when the Jews come back into the Gospel or if Christians will invite them back into the Gospel it will be like the raising of the dead. I believe that’s spiritual, but also even literal, because in the early church when they were raising the dead, it was Jew and gentile together at the beginning, and they were raising the dead. When they got separated the power took off. Rome became the center of Christianity and there was no more power. As they come back together, Jew and gentile, it releases supernatural resurrection power.

SID: Tell me briefly about your revelation in the courtroom of Heaven.

DAVID: I love that one.

SID: I know.

DAVID: Lately God has been giving me major revelation on Heaven. And there’s a place in Heaven called the Courts of Heaven. For example, someone owed me a large amount of money. They didn’t want to release it. They didn’t think they should. And so I took it to court, heavenly court, because this person was in another country, so I couldn’t really deal with it. So I went to Heaven, I went to the Courts of Heaven. I said, “God, you’re the judge. You decide. Here’s my case.” I pleaded my case. And when you’re Heaven, the enemy whispers to you, “No, you can’t have it because this or that.” And you make your defense. No, the Word of God says this, God said this. And within about 24 hours all the money was wired back into my account. Another time a boy was supposed to go to jail. He had child pornography on his computer. He got saved in my meeting, repented. I took him to the Courts of Heaven. I said, “O Father in Heaven, he deserves to go to jail. He did this sin. He’s going to go to court Tuesday. They have evidence against him. But he repents. Your blood forgives him. He may or may not go to jail, but set him free.” And God set him free and delivered him. Then the boy said, “I want to be used of God.” I said, “Okay, court is still in session. One more thing, Your Honor, he wants to be used in ministry.” He goes back to the judge on Tuesday and the prosecutor. They took him aside and said, “You know you’re going to go to jail for a long time. We got a lot of evidence against you.” He says, “It doesn’t matter. I’m saved, born again. God just did a miracle in my life.” They were so touched by his testimony they threw out the case. So the Courts of Heaven, heavenly experiences can have major and fast earthly changes in your life, in your finances, in your ministry, open doors. If you learn how to access Heaven you can have things change on the earth very fast.

SID: I believe that the Glory of God invaded this studio. Actually in the second segment I could feel a change literally in the atmosphere. And I believe that if David prays for you right now that that Glory is going to invade where you are. And what’s going to happen to the people, David?

DAVID: Right now I’m going to pray and they’re going to feel heat. Some of them might feel nothing. They’ll check their bodies. I believe there will be a lot of teeth miracles as well and other creative miracles, signs and wonders. Even what I don’t say, if I don’t say they’re a miracle, people will start checking their bodies and will still get healed anyway just by the Glory that’s here.

SID: And I’m going to tell you what to do. When David says these words, “And the Glory hits you,” I want you to stand up where you are and jump up and down. It’s an act of faith. Without faith you can’t please God. David, pray right now.

DAVID: Those who are watching on TV or in the studio audience right now, in the name of Yeshua, I see people’s teeth, people that need teeth miracles, grey teeth, black teeth, I release angels of dentistry, and I see teeth turning to bright gold and bright silver crowns and fillings. Again, I see more instant weight loss miracles occurring even right now in the audience and those watching on TV. I see a rotator cuff on the right side, right shoulder also being healed right now in Jesus’ name. A disc in the lower back, lumbar 3, 4, 6 and 9 popping back into place right now in the audience or on TV, and any sickness in the entire body, metal rods and metal screws turning back to bone right now. And anything else that’s wrong with you, just get up and jump up and down like 10 times. If I call any of these things out or if faith has come into you to be healed right now, and then after you jump around a while you check your body, and you check it like 10 times until you see the miracle. If it’s your teeth ask people to look in your mouth.

SID: And fingers, the arthritis is leaving your fingers. Carpal tunnel, you have no carpal tunnel any more. And backs, wow. I mean, anyone that has a back problem you are healed in Jesus’, spines straightening in Jesus’ name. Pain of all kind be gone in Yeshua’s name.

SID: Welcome. I have to explain to everyone watching what’s going on. I told the audience that if they were loud enough I wouldn’t hear the queues in my ear, and I’d have to rely completely on God. And they liked that idea. To tell you the truth, I kind of like that idea, too. Well I tell you that my world is naturally supernatural. It’s the air I breathe. It’s the best oxygen in the world. And we have found a key, a supernatural key that the first Jewish believers in the Messiah understood. But sadly, today Christians have lost this Jewish understand and have missed the key to the most extraordinary blessings of God in your family, in your health, in your emotions, in every area of your life, and instead settled for many, many curses that were not necessary. We’re going to show you how this key opens up the blessing and gets rid of the curses, and you can do it the way the book says you’re supposed to do it. There’s this ancient Jewish key that will unlock every problem known to mankind. But there are people that are watching right now and you are hopeless. You have no hope because of the circumstances in your life and you’re going to get the key. Craig Hill, what would you say to someone that his hopeless right now?

CRAIG: You know, it’s incredible, Sid, that there is hope because of Messiah. And you know, there was a man that we learned about in Mark, Chapter 5 in the Bible. This man is called the Gadarene Demoniac. He had absolutely no hope. He was kicked out of his town, kicked out of his home. He was living in a cemetery all by himself full of a legion of demons. And this man had an encounter with Jesus the Messiah.

SID: So we can say this man was as hopeless as your situation, more hopeless than your situation.

CRAIG: And I believe, Sid, as you just alluded to, you have hope, because the same thing can happen for you even if you’re drowning in debt. You might be sick. You might have a horrible relationship in your family. There’s hope for you because the same thing will happen for you today. You’ll have an encounter with Jesus the Messiah that will change everything.

SID: We Jewish people are known as a blessed group of people.

CRAIG: Yeah.

SID: Our nation Israel is one of the most blessed nations in the world. I mean, their currency goes down, compared our currency going down. Their real estate just goes up and never stops. They’ve got some of the greatest inventions in the world. Why is that?

CRAIG: You know, I believe that Jewish people understand the principle of blessing, Sid, that most other people don’t understand. It’s incredible in the United States, Jewish people account for only two percent of the population. But do you know that 40 percent of the Forbes 400 wealthiest Americans, all billionaires, are Jewish. And it’s incredible. Actually, 30 percent of all Nobel Prize winners in science are Jewish. Twenty-five percent of all Nobel Prize winners overall are Jewish. Why is that? I think the key that they understand is Jewish parents know how to release blessing to their children.

SID: Give me your definition of a blessing.

CRAIG: Well I think blessing is speaking into another person’s life what God says about them. Actually, the Hebrew word is “baruch”. Most Jewish people would know that as the beginning of many, many prayers that are spoken. And that word literally means to kneel in front of someone. But the spiritual connotation is to empower, to prosper. So blessing is when you speak what God says about another person to them and it releases something supernatural and empowers them to prosper.

SID: Tell me about the 65-year old that went to the 87-year old for a blessing.

CRAIG: Well there was a man that I knew, a friend of mine, and he realized that his father deep inside was like a little child that had never been released. He was angry a lot of times, spent his lifetime searching for significance, searching for value. And my friend realized, my dad, who’s going to be 65 years old, has never been blessed. He placed a phone call to his grandfather, who was 87, and said, “Grandpa, my dad is about to have his 65^th birthday. If I bought you an airline ticket would you come to our city and lay hands on my dad, look him in the eyes and release your blessing to him.” Well the 87-year old dad didn’t really understand what was being requested, but he said, “I’d love to come and see my family and celebrate my son’s 65^th birthday.” So he did. And then my friend was able to explain to him what he was requesting. And do you know, Sid, on that 65^th birthday this 87-year old father released his blessing to his 65-year old son, and it so radically changed his life. My friend the grandson, who was 42 at the time said, “Do you know, after that moment I looked into my dad’s eyes and something had changed. I no longer saw a scared insecure little boy looking back out through a man’s eyes. But for the first time, I saw a confident man.” And here’s the amazing thing. That 65-year old man was actually in the midst of a divorce. His wife had left him, was divorcing him. His life was so changed that two weeks later his wife moved back home and said, “I don’t know what’s happened to him, but this is the man I thought I married 45 years ago. But for 45 years, I’ve been trying to follow an insecure little boy who’s angry and takes it out on me all the time. But now he’s completely changed. I don’t know what happened, but I don’t want to divorce him. I want to live the rest of my life with him.”

SID: Many of these are doors that were opened unintentionally that passed from generation to generation. So not only are you going to know about the ancient Jewish blessing, but you’re going to learn how to close the door on the purses, and it doesn’t have to go to the next generation. We’ll be right back. You want to hear that?

SID: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. There’s such a presence of God on this set. I believe it’s going to go right through your television now, as a matter of fact. There’s an insidious enemy that most people have. Some haven’t even identified this enemy, and this enemy is called fear. It’s stopping you from achieving your destiny. It is stopping you from selling out completely to the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s stopping you from having supernatural peace. Well my guest has had plenty of reasons to be fearful. On two different occasions doctors have said, “You are going to die from the disease that you have.” But my guest has conquered this enemy and has a mandate from God to teach you to conquer this enemy. He tells me that he has not experienced fear in 10 years. How would you like to be like that? I was telling my guest that this what he went through is so amazing that there should be a Hollywood movie about this. You’re going to be so shocked. He’s a nice all-American kid, football, swimming, good grades. And then out of the blue something happens. He’s sledding one day and he sleds right into a car, and he’s damaged physically, and he’ll never be better, and his whole identity is lost. He can’t be an athlete any more. And then he starts running with the wrong crowd and drugs, and guns, and violence. And fortunately, he didn’t die. Many of his friends died in high school that he was running with. But as a result of what he went through, he finally snapped. He lost his ability to function as a human. So they put him into the Delaware State Institution for the Insane, and they decided the only thing they could do was an electronic lobotomy. That means he would be confined to being about a three-year-old for the rest of his life. But two days before the lobotomy, a courageous man shares the Gospel with him and Gary Whetstone said a prayer of salvation. He didn’t understand what he was doing, but all of a sudden after that prayer, he was in his right mind. So he goes to the doctor, because in two days he’s going to have this lobotomy, and what happened, Gary?

GARY: I end up in the doctor’s office and I’m telling him exactly what happened. Here I am. I’ve got long red hair, long beard. They’re taking me in hand restraints, feet restraints. And I said, “Look, my mind is sound.” He said, “How did you get a sound mind?” I said, “Jesus came in. I’m hearing the voice of God.”

SID: You’re hearing voice. You tell a psychiatrist this in a mental institution. Oy vey.

GARY: I said, “I’m hearing the voice of God.” So the guy looks down his nose and sits back, and he writes something down in his pad. I could tell the guy would not believe me. So I jumped up and I beat the guy in the face. That’s what a mental patient does. So anyway, how many other people act like that when they get born again? So anyway, here I am. They put me back in restraints. I’m going back to isolation. They shot me up again with the drugs they knocked me down with. And here I am and they put me in this corridor going back to the isolation ward. That’s where I lived. I lived in an isolated cell. And they took the restraints off my hands and my feet. And Sid, I heard an audible voice speak to me. I’m standing in the middle of that hallway and I hear this voice, “Run.” Well I’m a mental patient. So I’m thinking, where?

SID: Everything is padlocked. Where are you going to run?

GARY: I mean, I’m in a caged area. They’ve got padlocks on all the walls of the doors, everything. If I go back and forth I’ve got about 15 feet to run. If I go back and forth this way, I’ve got five feet. So I get this next thought, “run”! I hear it again. I look over to my left and there’s a door that had several deadbolts on it, chain lock and it was taken off and open. And I ran out of the state hospital that day, went into the solarium where the more trusted inmates were, you know, the mental patients. And so I remember, because when the state police cruiser brought me in months ago I remember seeing more stable people. So I run in there and I said, “I’m on a run!” So you hear these people going, “run, run, run”. So a guy throws this big huge blue pea coat over on me and big boots, shoe size 14, 15. I wear a size 9-1/2. Anyway, so I’m running out and I’m thinking, they’re going to think I’m running from the mental hospital. I’ve got a “Property of State Hospital” shirt, “Property of State Hospital” pants, you know. So I tuck my beard in, put the overcoat on and say, “Hey, bud,” and I walk straight out, and the guard lets me out of the mental hospital.

SID: Yeah, but then, listen to this. When he gets out a car is heading right for him. Quickly, what happened?

GARY: I ran right in the middle of that road and the car went through me. The next thing I knew I’m on the sidewalk, and I’m thinking, what was that? And I saw this car pull over to the side of the road. So I thought, oh man, they’re going to turn me in. So I started running down the road.

SID: But many years later, what happened?

GARY: That woman that was in that car was a psychologist in the state hospital. She was a regular psychologist, and she saw a man with red hair, deep blue eyes come up on to her windshield, and she thought she killed me. But she said, all of a sudden his body passed through her car. And she was shocked, got over to the side of the road and the audible voice of God spoke to her, “Do not turn him in. He belongs to me.”

SID: Now listen. That same God that did this for Gary loves you as much. He ran and ran, and then he came back because God told him to come back. And they tested him, and they let him out. But I’m going to tell you something. He had an encounter with overcoming fear. He has a mandate to teach you to overcome fear of everything. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I love the rarified air of Heaven. I can tell you this. I am concerned. There is a diabolical supernatural strategy to stop our children and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren from knowing God. It has never been so ferocious as it is out there. Godly children raised in Godly families are being snatched away through the education system. Well my guest is a prophet and through his own family, He showed him a greater supernatural strategy, and he says if this strategy is followed, because it’s supernatural of God, you will not lose your children, you will not lose your grandchildren. You will not lose your great-grandchildren. My guest, Mike Shreve a nice, nice Yoga instructor, I mean, he has 400 students. He’s teaching Yoga in four different universities and there’s a nice article about him in the local newspaper. And a prayer group reads this article and they kept a [unintelligible] to pray him into intimacy with God. And they pray and pray. And one day he’s hitchhiking and guess who picks him up? Not only a member of the prayer group that’s been praying for him and fasting for him, but a former student of his. He has an amazing supernatural encounter with God. And as a result of this encounter, he goes back to these four Yoga groups at the university and he tells them of this amazing encounter. Now that’s the last thing they expected for you, Mike Shreve. But you tell them this and then you tell them they can experience the same power and the same God you experienced. And what happened?

MIKE: Well almost all of my students became Christians as well. And I was running a Yoga ashram at the time, which is a commune where people live and study on a more disciplined level, and all of my students in the community gave their hearts to the Lord. So it was really radical transformation. In one day everything just exploded with the power of God.

SID: So he gets so excited about God he forgets to get married. So he’s 39, he’s not married and he hears an audible voice. Tell me about that.

MIKE: Well I made a covenant with God when I was 20, that I would not date or entertain thoughts of marriage until it was time, and I threw myself into mission work and evangelism. But then when I was 39 years old God woke me up and He spoke to me audibly, and He told me who to marry, and He told me that we would have a son. And that became very important to know a little later on.

SID: Especially because he has this wonderful word from God. He knows who he’s supposed to marry. He marries the woman. He knows about the child that’s coming, and his wife is not able to have children. So what did you do?

MIKE: Well we went on the Word. God had spoken and so we disregarded the negative report. The Scriptures says, “Whose report shall you believe.” And we made the decision to make God’s report as the true one. And the enemy didn’t stop fighting there. Once the barrenness was conquered the next attack came with my son himself.

SID: And let me say this. What you’re hearing now is a prophetic story because what Mike learned with his son and his next child, he then took these supernatural principles and said, whatever God could do for him, God wants to do for you. So you battled through your son. What happened?

MIKE: Well he laid in the birth canal a very long period of time. In fact, my wife was in labor for 48 hours. And I’m sure any mother listening to this can relate to the painfulness of that. And then the umbilical cord was wrapped three times around his neck also. And they didn’t catch that quick enough, and they let him lay in the birth canal too long. And so after the birth was over the doctors came into the room with us and they said, “Now you need to brace yourself. He suffered oxygen deprivation and it’s inevitable he’ll have serious brain damage. He may never talk. He may never function normally as a human being.” But God had told me that I would have a son who was an attractive son, and that was His wording, which I thought was curious. But that didn’t mean that he would be severely brain damaged. And so we began to claim and confess, and speak and decree that my son was normal, and that my son was healed, and that he was delivered. And he just entered into Leigh University a few years ago and was placed in the highest honor society available on that campus.

SID: Listen. I mean, this kid should have been a vegetable, should have been brain damaged. But because Mike tapped into the supernatural words of the living God and knew how to believe, different story, he not only is in the honors program, you told me he had a photographic memory.

MIKE: He’s amazing .He doesn’t even have to hardly read a book. If he just scans it, he remembers it.

SID: I mean, this is normal. This is normal. We’re supposed to be the head and not the tail.

MIKE: That’s right.

SID: And it’s about time we start being normal. Okay. You had a miracle with your son. Now comes to your daughter. What happens to her?

MIKE: Well we were in a meeting with the doctor around the fourth or fifth month of my wife’s pregnancy, and he came in with a very glum look and very, serious somber look on his face. And he pointed to a screen where he showed us the ultrasound, and there was a very dark spot right near the base of the spine. And he proceeded to explain that my daughter had spina bifida, and because of certain chemical things going on in my wife’s body, he said she’ll have cretinism as well, which is a severe form of retardation. And then he leaned over his desk and he looked at us very intensely and said, “There is an alternative.” And we knew what he meant. He meant abortion. And so we took him at his word. We took an alternative. We never went back to him again.

SID: I like that alternative. Don’t you? I do.

MIKE: I didn’t want to be around that kind of spirit. But as we left his office, Sid, my wife was of course torn to pieces emotionally over this. But as we walked out of the door, the Holy Spirit fell on her and she was thrown into this visionary kind of experience where she sensed a little child dancing, and she heard the audible voice of God say, “Your daughter will dance on the streets of Jerusalem.” Hallelujah. He had just told she would never walk with this hole in her spine. But God said she’ll dance. And she still a little flustered. And so we got in the car, and she reached over and turned the radio on, and the first song that came on was that country Christian song, “I Hope You Dance”.

SID: That’s called confirmation.

MIKE: That was definitely a confirmation from God. And so from that point forward, we just began to claim the promises of God. And one of my wife’s favorite promises to claim is Psalm 138, Verse 8, that says, “The Lord will perfect that which concerns me.” And she would lay hands on her belly and say, “Little baby, little girl, you concern me and God’s Word therefore says you are perfect, and I proclaim you are perfect.” And then when we would confess Psalm 139 over her, Verses 13 and 14 says, “For you formed my inward parts. You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are your works and that my soul knows right well.” And then the psalmist went on to say God had created those inward parts “when as yet there were none of them”. And so we began to claim that the spine was wonderfully made and that God was working a marvelous work, and that she be whole.

SID: You know what I’ve noticed? Is that you can pray for something. But when you have the written word of the Living God, how much stronger is your faith.

MIKE: Absolutely.

SID: And there’s a power. There’s a certain power on the Word of God that isn’t on your normal words.

MIKE: Well Jesus was the Word made flesh, and he was the embodiment of the Word, and of course he was the perfect man. And when he faced off with the devil his strength was to say, “It is written.” And if the one who was perfect who was the Word manifested in the human body resorted to the written Word when he faced a battle in life, how much more should we imperfect human beings do the same thing.

SID: Okay. Talking about a wonderfully and fearfully made God will perfect, what did the doctor say when your daughter was born?

MIKE: Now he didn’t know what my wife had been praying. And when that child came forth from the womb, who by the way months ahead of time we named Destiny Hope because the doctor offered no hope and no destiny, and we counteracted that with a prophetic name. And when she came out of the womb, the first words the doctor said was, “She’s perfect.”

SID: Now I like that kind of [unintelligible]. Thank you God. Thank you God.

MIKE: And she was.

SID: Okay. But what about the dancing.

MIKE: Well at an early age from the time she was about three years old onward her favorite thing to do was to stand in front of the television and watch these videos where there would be a dozen little kids dancing alone with Christian music, and she would dance along with them. By the time she was five or six she was in a dance troupe with young people twice her age, and she could dance just as good as they could. And she’s very gifted, very gifted in that area.

SID: I love the prophetic Word. I love the prophetic Word that we have in writing, the Word of God. Tell me briefly about your son when he went to Heaven.

MIKE: Oh well that’s really based on one of the 65 promises that God has given our children. One of them found in Isaiah’s writings, Isaiah 54 says that, “All your children shall be taught by the Lord and great shall be the peace of your children.” There’s only a certain degree that our teaching can take our children to. We can transfer ideas from their mind, but that Divine revelation has to come to God. And God did that for my son when, I guess he was four or five, one morning he came down from his bedroom with this brightness all over him, and he said, “Mommy, Daddy, I died in my sleep last night and Jesus took me to Heaven.” Now I don’t think he actually died. He interpreted the experience that way. “And he took me around Heaven and talked to me, and told me different things about my life.” And we said, “Well what did he tell you?” Well one thing, he said Jesus told him not to watch bad television, and that Jesus told him to always have compassion on all people. And then he looked at his real quizzically and he said, “What does that word mean, compassion?” So that verified to us it wasn’t just an imaginary thing with him. And we told him, of course that means love that feels the suffering and the pain of someone else. But I believe that was a landmark experience in his life.

SID: You know, another promise that you used for your daughter for at least a month when she was, you told me how old, about being filled with the Holy Spirit.

MIKE: Oh yes.

SID: Tell me about that.

MIKE: In Isaiah 44, Verses 3 and 4, God said, “I will pour water on him who is thirsty.” That’s our responsibility to be thirsty for God, thirsty for the things of God. And God said, “I will pour the floods on the dry ground. I will pour my spirit on your seed and my blessing on your offspring.” And my daughter was about five years old and she had not been filled with the Holy Spirit yet. So I started claiming that promise after I found it. Everyday I would confess, now God, you said in your Word, “I will pour out my spirit on your seed, on your descendants.” I was in a revival meeting in Carbon Hill, Alabama, and she was there with a group of young people, and I preached on the infilling of the Holy Spirit. She came forward, fell out of the power, spoke in tongues about 45 minutes. She crawled up in my arms just trembling and weeping, and said, “Oh Daddy, Jesus filled me. Jesus filled me.” Now did that happen because I claimed the promise? I believe that had a significant impact. I believe that made the difference.

SID: But you know what I see when you go through potential tragedy, potential blessing? You’re not pleading, oh God, please. There is a conviction that you have in the Word of God.

MIKE: That’s why it’s so essential for parents to learn this revelation, and grandparents, because you never stop praying for your children. It’s because most parents pray in desperation, like you said, especially when a son or a daughter goes out into darkness. They’ll plead, they’ll beg, they’ll weep, they’ll cry, “Oh God, please move from my daughter,” which certainly does not go unheard in Heaven. But how much powerful it is when you find out what God has already made a commitment to do. Like Deuteronomy 7:9 says, “He is the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy with those who love Him to a thousand generations.”

SID: I like that, expect I think Jesus coming back way before a thousand generations. But I’m going to tell you something. Mike operates in the gift of prophet and he has heard some very personal words about President Obama. Don’t go away.

Sid: Now when I interviewed my guest on television I made a proclamation, that there will be more miracles from this man’s being a guest on my television than we have ever done in history. Well it’s still too new to know, however, I’m going to make that same proclamation now. We are going to have more miracles as a result of this interview on radio, than any guest I have ever had. His name is Charles Ndifon, he’s from Nigeria. I had the privilege of meeting him when we did the television show, but I guess the thing that intrigued me so much about Charles was I got ahold of an out of print book by a Danish journalist, he wasn’t a believer, and he recorded what happened when a secular television station went into one of Charles Ndifon’s meetings and tried to expose it as phony. Now I’m speaking to Charles at his office in Johnston, Rhode Island. Charles tell me about that incident where the television station came in to film miracles taking place, and they actually had a plant.

Charles: Yes, what happened was they were making a series of television programs, and it had to do with the supernatural. They’ve been to the psychics and all the people just to see whether their powers were real. So what happened was when they came at the end of the fourth program they were about to quit because they were about to say that nothing happened supernaturally. So they heard about this African that had come and there were miracles happening. They heard it from the National Television Program, and they’re reporting the program. So they decided to test it and see whether this thing was real. I wasn’t aware of the situation I was just told there some television people that want to interview you. Well they had come in there and they begin to ask “How does it happen? We’ve heard a lot of people make claims, but we really haven’t seen anything like what they say.” So they were saying “How do you prepare for a meeting?” I said “Well I just sit down and read my Bible, listen to some worship music and relax,” and they were very surprised. So they asked me “How does it work?” I said “It’s like the wind that blows you don’t see the wind, but you see the effects of the wind. Same thing with the Spirit of God when He comes into a place, the people’s lives are totally changed; you can see some that are worked in, and the next moment something miraculous has happened.” So at the end of the interview they said “By the way, we brought somebody here who is blind I hope that you can do something about it.” I just thought “Well just let him come to the meeting just like everyone else.” I didn’t know they had the man position with a microphone on him, and they said “Can we put a microphone on you just to make sure we know what is going on?” I guess they were trying to basically find out whether I was going to say something, or somebody was going to tell me something, I don’t know what they were up to. For me I was doing my normal thing. They had been to the meetings except me. What happened was they had begun to interview the sick that were there asking them if it was their first time.  The people would reply “Yeah this is my first time I’ve never been to the meeting before.” They said “What are you expecting?” They said “We don’t know we’ve just heard about it and we came.” They had the camera on this man that was blind and all the camera was on me when I walked into the meeting in usual style I just walked and said “Hi Hi,” and walked right to the front.

Sid: In other words this is a secular television crew that had seen a lot of New Age psychics that were really phonies and they figured well I’m gonna get this Christian. So had you all setup, so again what happened next?

Charles: I immediately said “Somebody is being of this to my right,” and described exactly what it was. It was a man that was crippled and he came up, he’s from Greenland and he came up there. I said “Somebody else is being healed of…” I mentioned exactly what the condition was and I pointed to the lady and she came up to the front. They were very surprised. All of a sudden there were about 10 people that had come to the front. I said “Well Jesus is alive let me show how real He is.” What I did was I just turned around and the first gentlemen I said “Come on let me have your crutches.” Instantly the man was healed he began to scream “Yes, yes, yes” and he began to move his feet, and he realized his feet were totally healed, and he began to walk and the people would clap their hands. I have no idea where the man was that was blind because there were several people that were blind in the meetings. There was this particular man had a patch in his eyes, and I was told there was a man who had his optic nerve cut-off by an accident and he’s been depressed. So I got a moment to teach them the realities of Jesus. After I was done teaching I made a call for those that want to experience Christ’s life, that wanted to receive Jesus. Immediately the people came up to the front, and this gentleman came up to me and said “My vision I had optic nerve cut-off. I said “Oh just come believe the same way everyone else believes, believe the good news you’ve heard, and God will do what he says he will do.”

Sid: This was the plant who was miked.

Charles: I did know who he was. Then I noticed when he was talking with me the television people were very interested you know, all of a sudden the television cameras came very close to see what I was going to do. (Laughing) I told them I was not really going to do much God has done it. Then while they were interviewing others that were being healed they would take them outside, those that were crippled and make them run up and down. Well I had no idea that they were doing this. It was later on when the television program was shown I realized they took the people that were crippled and make them run up and down just to prove these miracles were authentic. I was surprised when found that it was good. What happened was this gentleman that was blind INSTANTLY he got up, the television crew was outside testing people. When they heard his voice screaming “I can see! I can see!” the guy grabbed my shoulders and he said “I can really see.” He was trying to convince me he had been healed.

Sid: (Laughing)

Charles: I say to him “I believe you.” He was very surprised. He said “I can really see! I can see!” He didn’t know what happened it happened so quickly INSTANTLY that he was giggling, and this was the man who was depressed. Totally healed, the television people descended on him and they asked him “Are you really sure?” He said “Yes!” and they checked his eyes, and they checked him, and they checked him and was just perfectly healed. He said “I don’t know what happened it, it happened just like that.”

Sid: You know Mishpochah I have documentation… I mean I can see the picture of the man who had the optic nerve severed; he could see, and it was all setup on television. Now Charles is it true in Denmark there were a hundred thousand verified miracles in your ministry?

Charles: Yes. This is what the secular media said, the secular media said “In 3 years between 2000 and 2003 they had an accounting of at least a hundred thousand people that had been healed just in Denmark alone.”

Sid: I want to take you back to 1987 because you had an encounter with Jesus that was life changing. Tell me about that.

Charles: Yeah what happened was, I was so hungry for His presence, I was so hungry for Jesus. I read the scripture that said “If you love Me My Father and I will come and manifest ourselves to you.” I said “Jesus I love you, I really want to see this become a reality in my life. I had heard about people that had encountered Jesus because I had a hunger and a desire for it. I said “Jesus if you did for them you did it for me.” I was on campus fasting and you know, getting on the word. Then what happened was they were sending us forth on a Saturday afternoon just a normal day, but they were sending us forth to go and preach the gospel around the nations. A gentleman just walked up to me laid hands on me, he had just preached a simple message he was laying hands on all the graduates laid hands on me. When he touched my head and went to the next person immediately. Jesus appeared to me my eyes were not closed, this was about 3:00 in the afternoon. I was looking at Him, it was amazing the moment I saw Him everything else paled in that room. It seemed like I wasn’t standing with anybody else, it was just the afternoon. So it wasn’t like I was dreaming, I’m a very practical person, I like to make sure things are authentic. So what I did was I said “Okay.” When I saw Jesus there the first thought that came to my mind was “I’m so sorry,” I thought I had died or something. Something had happened to me I could not contain His presence. I was “I’m so sorry whatever sin I’ve committed forgive me” as I was going up I noticed His gaze was so full of love. He never condemned me He just looked at me. My body could not contain His presence, I couldn’t contain His presence. So what happened was He looked at me and He said to me “Preach the gospel. As I was with those in the past so I will be with you. If the people would believe what you tell them nothing will be impossible, no sickness will be able to stand against your command.” Then He said “Preach the gospel” again, “Don’t get into argument just preach the gospel.” Then He did something, when He was talking I heard what He said but I wouldn’t say I was frightened, His presence was overwhelming. He wasn’t condemning me, but I felt so unworthy of being in His presence. Then He did something just walked right into my body and I fell like a dead man. I was there for hours; I guess people must have tried to move me; they couldn’t move me. When I got up several hours later I was drenched in my tears I’d been weeping and sobbing and I’d just encountered Jesus, He was so real to me. When I got up I knew the person I proclaimed was not dead He was really alive. Shortly after that I went to the university hospital where 10 cases were left to die, and instantly they were being healed one right after the other.

Sid: Terminal cases left to die…

Charles: Yes.

Sid: How many were healed

Charles: There were about 20 of them there, all 20 of them were healed. The whole ward was discharged.

Sid: Now since that encounter you had with Jesus where He literally walked into you, and He made a promise He’d be with you as He was with those you read about in the Bible. Have there been any diseases or situations such as you read in the New Testament that have been able to stand against the anointing if they believe?

Charles: It’s been amazing what we’ve seen happen. Some of the things I see the miracles occur, the first that comes to mind “I know I’m in His presence. I know no man can do those things.”

Sid: Charles I’m sorry were out of time.

Sid:Now my guests by way of telephone at their home in South Beloit, Illinois Ben and Brenda Peters; they both move in the prophetic.  And I’ve got Ben’s new book called “Prophetic Ministry” which there’s such a strong anointing on this book that, and they’ll be impartation perhaps on tomorrow’s broadcast because the Bible says we all should prophesy.  But one of the things you bring out that is so important Ben is God’s pattern.You’ve done a study that 90% of people that come to the Lord recorded in scriptures came after the person had a clear demonstration of the supernatural power of God.  And we discussed today it shifted to the cerebral; tell me you’ve had several trips to Mozambique, I’ve interviewed Heidi and Rolland Baker.  Tell me some of the things that you’ve seen with your very eyes Ben.

Ben:Well, we’ve been privileged to go into outreaches with Heidi and also with the Director of Outreaches Falito and we have…

Sid:You know Surpisa?

Ben:Oh yes.

Sid:He’s out of all of them he’s the most humble and powerful man of God.

Ben:Yes, my first visit to Mozambique was the Fall of 2004 in November. I was with him quite a bit and I just had an experience with him where he was on the floor he was out he was in a trance and it was dark and they told the Bible college students, or the pastors there that were in training there they told them to get up now and we’re going to dance and people were going to trample on him.  So I picked him up off the ground and just embraced him for a period of about 15 -20 minutes while the rest of them were rejoicing in the Lord.  And during that time he was still in this trance but I was praying God give me everything he’s got.  (Laughing)

Sid:Guess what I think you and Brenda got it I mean what a powerful anointing on this interview.Do you have any idea what he saw in this trance?

Ben:He actually saw something about the man that was head of the Palestinian Yasser Arafat and something about his death, but I don’t know the fulfillment of that it was something about not resurrecting him.

Sid:Well history already records what occurred so that was on target but go ahead.

Ben: He also had a vision during that time for another lady that’s a friend of ours Lisa Brolen from Kentucky and she was there I met her at that trip.  God lead me to prophesy to one of the young men and they all wanted prophecies; these were people that were visiting from Ohio and other states Kentucky and Georgia. God gave me words for them all and they all came to pass which is awesome.  But Surprisa had a vision of her going to Israel and she got to go and was totally blasted and now she’s taking a group of and we’re going too to prophesy to the dry bones of the House of Israel from Ezekiel 37.  I’m going to do some teaching there in a prayer room there in Jerusalem and because God told her to count the chairs in that prayer room when she was led there.  And she counted thirty-seven chairs; she didn’t know what that was about but when she got back to Suprasa she told him and he said 37 that’s Ezekiel 37 you’re supposed to prophecy to the dry bones of Israel.   So we’re on our way to Israel…

Sid:Now by the way with everything going on in Israel aren’t you and your wife a little I mean many Christians are afraid to go to Israel aren’t you a little afraid?

Ben:Not at all; not at all and so secure in being in God’s presence we travel all over the world and…

Sid:You know I have a sister and brother-in-law that live right outside of Haifa and they wouldn’t want to be anywhere else but Israel right now.

Ben:Wow.

Sid:Why because God’s called them so they don’t have a fear of anything and that’s what you say; God’s called you. (Laughing)

Ben:No I’ve never worried about any place that God’s called me to.

Sid:Now tell me some of the miracles that you saw in Mozambique.

Ben:Oh we had seen as many as four deaf and dumb people healed in one service in one outreach in one village and the exciting thing is how they respond.  They show the Jesus film and then they share the gospel real quickly and people respond and then the people are getting healed. Whole villages are coming to Christ and I’m sure you’ve heard from Heidi but it’s happening over and over again.

Sid:Are many Muslims’ coming to the Lord there?

Ben:By the thousands, by the thousands, sometimes in one meeting a thousand will come.

Sid:Now we want a little equal time in Israel some of the Jewish people of those dry bones I’m looking forward to a report after you come back after prophesying to those dry bones because that’s one of my favorite chapters and you know that revival must occur before the big invasions of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

Ben:Right.

Sid:What about people that are dead coming back to life I hear lots of reports of that happening in Africa especially in Mozambique.

Ben: Yes I believe there’s somewhere around 60 now that have been recorded just under Iris ministries in Mozambique.

Sid:Now did you get that! Sixty people that and I understand that they have strict requirements for who they consider was really dead it’s not some “We thing they were dead; they have to have pretty conclusive proof that they were dead and then they came back to life.

Ben:Right and so Surprisahas been involved in at least 3 resurrections, there’s a pastors wife that has brought 6 or 7 back to life and many of the pastors have.  You know Heidi she’s so precious she loves the Lord so much that she’s told these pastors that if the Lord takes her home they shouldn’t dare raise her back to life because she wants to stay there.

Sid:Well, the people that I know that have died and gone to Heaven and then come back they only came back because God sent them they really didn’t want to come back.  And I think Paul the apostle had that same problem he said I’d rather be in Heaven because he had already made some trips there, but he said for your sake I’m going to stay here.  How about you and your wife have ever had Third Heaven experiences?

Ben:Not the extent things were very clear and visible and so on just the very strong sense of God presence of angels around us and so on, but we’re praying for more clarity and we’re praying with a lot of people.Some people God leads them first to be forerunners and to activate other but we would love that.  I’m praying that we will have those face to face encounters; I’ve seen visions. I saw one vision where Jesus was represented by a ram and He was looking down at the sheep that were following Him up the mountain of the Lord. I saw in the eyes of that Ram the eyes of Jesus and that was a very precious thing because they were so powerful yet so passionately loving His sheep and desiring them to come higher with Him.  But I look forward to the day when I see Jesus face to face and I know that I won’t want to return either.

Sid:Ben would you put Brenda on while I still have both of you in this realm right now. (Laughing) I want to ask Brenda a few questions. Brenda I’ve been just speaking with your husband about some of the resurrections in Mozambique or the miracles; are there any that come to mind that either in Mozambique or anywhere that you’ve seen that you’ve either prayed for the person or seen with your own eyes in the miraculous?

Brenda:When I went to Mozambique a year ago I went out into the bush bush and Falito who is visiting with us right now actually Falito was the head guide under Heidi Baker and he became to pray.  First he showed the Jesus film and we worshipped with the Moslem tribe.  And this is a very poor tribe I would say they just had their grass huts and mud huts and very little on them and after the message Falito said we’re going to do miracles now we’re going to show you that Jesus this Jesus that we’re talking about on the film is here and alive today and He is going to heal you.  I want you to bring up the blind.  And remember they brought up little blind girl who had never seen from birth and he began to pray over her.  And then suddenly she began to look around you could see her turning her head and her eyes got… you could see them opening large, big eyes and I couldn’t understand her language but later heard that she was saying “Daddy I can see I can see.”  And that was very impacting on my life and at the same time others were being prayed for.  Now I prayed for many I just…Falito said “Don’t use your method just reach your hand out and say ‘Be healed in the Name of Jesus.’”  And they gave us the words in Mozambique and pray and we released those words and just kept praying so actually for myself not knowing their language I don’t know who was healed I just went around praying for as many as I could quickly as I could.

Sid:You know I recently returned from a trip to Africa and I had the same thing go on I didn’t see that much happen but I’m getting reports of things that occurred even a day or two days after I prayed for the people.  It’s like we in America want to see it instantly but big deal what if it takes two days to be healed of something incurable.

Brenda:That’s right just obey God and do it it’s up to Him.

Sid:You know on tomorrow’s broadcast I would like you and your husband Ben to pray for an impartation of the prophetic.Is that something that you two do?

Brenda: We do it all the time and we love to release people and encourage them in that gift.

Sid:Brenda your husband’s new book “Prophetic Ministry.” You touched upon it that this the best way to reach people for the Lord to either have a prophetic prayer or a word of knowledge.  I believe there’s such a special anointing on this book that as people read this their faith is going to grow especially with the prophetic prayer that you two are going to pray on tomorrow’s broadcast…the book is called “Prophetic Ministry” what type of feedback are you getting on this book Brenda?

Brenda:People are encouraged it’s bringing it down to their level and opening up the word to them that tells them they can do it it’s showing it it’s putting it before their eyes.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to realize that the stage is set for the return of the Messiah, but most Bible believers very few understand what the next war in the Middle East is going to be; what it will be about and what will be the fate of the nations connected with it.  And it’s a prelude to the big wars of Ezekiel 37 and 38 that most people do understand, but they’ve missed this Middle ingredient which they will not be prepared for what’s about ready to happen.  That’s why God has raised up Bill Salus, and Bill has spent 11 years researching Biblical prophecy on what he calls the Psalm 83 War.  And in this Psalm 83 War Bill what I find fascinating is, as you point out in your book and your DVDs, Israel will progressively get more and more land in the Middle East.  Tell me a little bit about that.

Bill:   Well, isn’t that amazing Sid, you know we brought up in one of the earlier programs this week that President Barak Obama is echoing the sentiment of much of the international community especially the Arab states that they want Israel to give up land for peace and enormous amount of land.  They want Israel to recede to the pre-1967 borders which of course would make Israel’s borders indefensible and that’s the argument that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presents and justifiably so.  So the world is wants to shrink Israel but that’s not the Biblical prescription for the days in which we live.  Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1, chapter 1 verse 4 I believe it is, talks about a much, much more sizable Israel that was promised in the Promise Land. Land that God was going to give to Abraham on through Isaac, Jacob and their descendants which are the Jewish people today.  We saw this happen about 3300 years ago when as a Hebrew exodus we saw Joshua getting some of that land, we saw even during 3000 years ago King David and King Solomon taking more of that land.  And in both instances more land that land possible possesses today; the land that they will someday possess Sid.  We’re told the meets and bounds of it goes from the river Nile in Egypt to the River Euphrates which of course is through modern day Iraq and Syria.  That’s about 15 times as much land as Israel presently occupies and I point out in the books and the DVDs that you presented to your audience that I believe they are going to start to get more of the land incrementally when they start to win this Psalm 83 war.  I believe that they are going to get Jordan, and I point out the scriptures why; I believe they are going to get some of Egypt, I point out the scriptures why; I believe they are going to get part of the southern Lebanon. Now I don’t go so far as to say that they are going to get all of that land until Jesus returns but there is historical precedent and there is modern day historical day precedent for Israel winning wars, Joshua, King David and 1967 and taking land.  They feel justified in doing that and they are justified in doing that and I believe we are seeing just the opposite is about to happen and the international community is expecting.

Sid: Now I want you to give me a thumb nail sketch of the players in this war and what’s going to happen to each of them including Israel.

Bill: Okay well I mentioned earlier program that we’ve got Syria got to be concern; they’re involved in Psalm 83 there is a prophecy there is two prophecies of great concern in Isaiah 17 and in Jeremiah 49.  They both talk about a serious judgment on Syria in fact Damascus it says “Will cease to be a city.”  You know Israel at this point in time has the weaponry to take out a major city and they certainly don’t want to do that but they are not going to be pushed off into the ocean and be wiped off the map and experience another Jewish genocide attempt.  Which in essence is kind of what Psalm 83 really is; they want to cut the nation off that the name of Israel will be remembered no more; and then you got Jordan.

Sid: You know I have to go back to the Arab Spring and the protests and when Morsi won being the head of Egypt.The violence that I saw on the faces of many of those Egyptians; I mean when that violence is turned loose that’s a scary prospect.

Bill:  Well you know Sid I think that there’s some very important information in the Bible about Egypt’s future, and I cover that also in the book.  Egypt is a population it’s the most populated Arab country, it is about 80 to 83 million or so Egyptians which about 10% are Coptic Christians about 8 million over there or so.  Now the scenario with Egypt at this point in time is that and I think the saying goes “As goes Egypt so goes the whole Middle East.”  They are a big kingdom, the number one Arab kingdom, I think their army ranks number 16 verses Israel which is by the way their army’s ranked number 10.  And the Bible says in Ezekiel 29 that someday Egypt is going to become the lowliest of kingdoms in the world.  And so in the Messianic Kingdom Egypt will actually be the lowliest of all kingdoms but that’s not the case right now.  What happens?  What happens between now and then and I point out in Isaiah 19 and Ezekiel 29 there are some very serious events forthcoming there’s actually two future judgments.  One’s present that I think is about to happen to Egypt and one is future and that’s when the anti-Christ goes into Egypt.

Sid:Now what is the present judgment going to be?

Bill:   The present one is going to be further involvement in Psalm 83 in my estimation; they’re going to be involved with Hezbollah, the Lebanese, Syrians, Hamas, Palestinian Refugees, Jordanians, Saudis, Egyptians, Muslim Brotherhood and a war a confederate war against Israel; and it’s going to be a big deal.  And they are going to be judged and I think Isaiah 19 just talks about an amazing process of what happens to Egypt from this day forward.

Sid:  But wait a second with all these weapons, including nuclear weapons now, with all these countries unifying against Israel, give me a break short of God showing up Israel doesn’t stand a chance!

Bill:   Well, okay here’s the key to understanding that Sid the Israeli Defense Forces are going to play a very significant role.  Remember in 1948 when they came over they were just a band of refugees and they were under attack and they won, and that happened in 1967 they won in six days, that happened in 1973.  Every battle they’ve gotten stronger their army is going to someday be an exceedingly great army according to Ezekiel 37:10.  They’re already a great army ranked number 10 in the world, they’re going to be exceedingly great after they win Psalm 83 War, but the story – Asaph wrote Psalm 83.  And he said in verses 9 and 11 in Psalm 83 he points God’s attention to dealing with the Arab confederacy under the historical precedent under the time of Gideon and the time of Barak during Prophetess Deborah’s time, in fact before Asaph’s time.What happened in those examples for instance Gideon 300 men army kill 120,000 Midianites.  There was 7 years of oppression of the Midianites on the Jews; and then the other example he used is there was 20 years of oppression on the Canaanites and the Jews.  In both instances the Israeli Defense Forces were empowered, they won, you’ll never find it’s interesting you won’t find any oppression ever again in the Bible or historically of the Midianites or the Canaanites after those victories.  And I think that’s the case we’re going to see here too after Psalm 83 those Arab countries will never oppress the Jews again.  And Israel will then be able to dwell securely in the midst of the land which really sort of sets the stage for the next big Goliath prophecy in Ezekiel 38.

Sid: Oh, let me ask you a question, what happens to Islam, what’s going to happen there?

Bill: Well, it’s interesting in Zephaniah 2:11 I also point this out in the offering that you’re presenting your audience.  It says that the Lord, Jehovah, will famish all the gods of the earth.Some day that is going to be the case.  And I really think we’re seeing the god of money already you know that’s falling away in 2007 and the economy is still in shambles.  The whole is still having economic problems, I think the god of Allah, you talk about Islam I think the Arab Spring was the turning point for that god, that false god.  And so you see Islam is involved in some big deals coming up here pretty soon.  Psalm 83, ten populations listed they are all Islamic, and when that get’s defeated by the Israel Defense Forces I call that a punch to the gut of Islam.

Sid: Now are you saying to me that according to your understanding of Bible prophecy in Psalm 83 all these major Arab countries are going to be devastated beyond repair almost?

Bill: Absolutely yeah. Now fortunately there will be some Arab populations that will have a remnant much like the Israeli’s will have a faithful remnant.

Sid:So are we talking about nuclear arms?

Bill:   I don’t see any way that it won’t be Sid and I think that there will be Biblical descriptions for that.  How does Damascus cease to be a city become a ruinous heap overnight?  And that’s what Isaiah 17 verses 1 and verses 14 seem to say.  There’s a prophesy in Ezekiel 29 that seems to suggest that Seine it’s where the Aswan Dam is in Egypt gets desolated.

Sid: How quickly could this next war happen?

Bill:  It could happen immediately and won’t be a long war; Israel cannot fight a war of attrition, they’ve never had a history since 1948 for fighting long protractive wars; they don’t have that luxury.  You can fit all of Israel into to Lake Michigan, I think it’s like Michigan, it’s about the size of New Jersey right now.  Israel does not have the luxury of anymore of this back and forth battles that they’ve had with Hamas and with Hezbollah.  The question is will the next war be another skirmish or will it be a war of epic Biblical proportion?  And I’m telling you, I believe it’s the mother of all mid-East Wars coming up.

Sid: And something we haven’t talked about and I’d like to do this on tomorrow’s broadcast is where is the United States in all of this; what is their participation; what is the repercussion to the United States of America?  So we’ll pick up there on tomorrow’s broadcast.