SID: You say that God told you it’s time to possess the gates of our future. What does that mean?

CINDY: Well you know, God has a destiny and a plan for all of us and some people seem like one bad thing has happened after the other and they lose hope. They think they’ll never be restored. But we need to go back and say, okay, what is my legacy, what is it I should be doing? Don’t declare detente to the enemy, or just say, well I guess that’s never going to happen in my life.

SID: Or I’m too old.

CINDY: Or I’m too old, that’s a big one. There are things that have been delayed and delayed, and delayed, and we need to say, no, I’m taking it back. That is mine. It was meant for me. I mean, such is your inheritance. Mike and I decided we were going to look at our heritage and call back what should have been. For instance, Mike’s family owned about enough property in Tennessee, it would have been several counties, where the property—and somebody gambled it away. So we went back and cut that gambling spirit and we said, but the wealth from that should have been for our children, and our children’s children. You see, Satan robbed us. That’s a gate of the enemy. But even generationally, we don’t just have to say, oh too bad, and we have prospered so much since we started doing that. Well you know, there are things, Sid, that we have believed for a long, long time and we just didn’t have it. It just seemed like it wasn’t working. And but when we realized we had to seize the moment, we had to say, okay, we’re going to take these opportunities and the door is going to open, wow, I can’t even talk about it all the doors that are opening for us now. It’s so big. And of course, we meet with a lot of presidents, a lot of people around the world. But the gates are even bigger because we are seizing those moments. We’re believing in them. Listen, I’m going to refire until I go to be with Jesus. I don’t think retirement is really in the Bible. And so I think it’s a season that we’ve got to learn to walk from season to season, to season in our life. Maybe you always wanted to go on a mission trip. Maybe you wanted to do a lot of things, but you were a nine to fiver. Now you’re in God’s army. You’re in the army now and you can get mobilized. There’s something you can do, and I want to talk to somebody right now. So there is someone watching this show and you have just retired, and you’re a little bit at loose ends. The Lord says open your eyes, open your eyes. I have things that need to be done. I have gates that need to be open and you need to make a change in your mentality.

SID: Is this a special season?

CINDY: Yes.

SID: A special time?

CINDY: Yes.

SID: There is something going on. God is doing something.

CINDY: I tell you, I can feel it in the atmosphere right here, in this studio. I feel something, I mean, I feel it in the audience, I feel it here, I feel for you watching. Listen, the Anointing of God goes right over these cameras into your living room wherever you’re watching, on your phone. The Anointing of God is coming upon you for a season of suddenlies, a season of acceleration, things that you waited a long, long time for, they’re happening. Gates that have been shut, you’re going to command to open. That promotion, you’re going to command to open. So you just have to make a decision. This show is for you. You’re shaking off the past, shaking off disappointments and you’re going to the future.

SID: Cindy, you just spoke to someone right now, spoke to you, but there are others right now that are saying, she has something that I want. I’ll tell you what she has. She has experiential knowledge of God. I’ll tell you what she has. She hears God’s voice. I’ll tell you what she has. She is not fearful of anything. I’ll tell you what she has. She has the Living God living inside of her and I promise you you’re watching this show because God is not a respecter of persons. If you will say this prayer with me right now and mean it, you will have what she has. You will have what I have. You will have what my audience has. Repeat after me right now: Dear God.

Audience: Dear God

SID: I’m a sinner.

Audience: I’m a sinner.

SID: And I’m so sorry.

Audience: And I’m so sorry.

SID: I believe

Audience: I believe

SID: The blood of Jesus

Audience: The blood of Jesus

SID: Washes away those sins.

Audience: Washes away those sins.

SID: It’s a new beginning for me.

Audience: It’s a new beginning for me.

SID: I’m not looking back.

Audience: I’m not looking back.

SID: I am clean.

Audience: I am clean.

SID: And now that I am clean…

Audience: And now that I am clean…

SID: I ask Jesus to live inside of me.

Audience: I ask Jesus to live inside of me.

SID: And be my Lord.

Audience: And be my Lord.

SID: Amen.

Audience: Amen.

SID: You know, I recently interviewed James Goll and he had to run to catch a plane, and this is what he said when he ran out. He said, “Sid, because you prayed that prayer,” the one I just prayed, “1000 people are now born from above and know Jesus.” I want to remind you that we’ve got more with Cindy and if you want to see the extended content of this program all you have to do is log on right now to SidRoth.org, S-I-D-R-O-T-H.O-R-G.

SID: Okay Dodie, there is something that I am overwhelmed with that I want our audience to be overwhelmed with. You have, your children so respect you and your husband, who is now in Heaven. Your children and you have such love. They have such honor for you.

DODIE: I know.

SID: The love that I see. You look around to be a servant. At your age, why do you do that? Come on now, Dodie.

DODIE: I don’t know why I do it. Jesus just puts it in my heart and Jesus would do it.

SID: Wen you pray for people you have the same compassion for them because of what you went through, I believe.

DODI: Probably so. I don’t even know if I’d be praying for people if I hadn’t gone through it myself.

SID: And there’s no important people in your life. There are just people.

DODIE: Just people.

SID: This woman doesn’t say it, but when I walked in to her presence I could feel the love of Jesus radiating out of her. Literally, Dodie, I don’t want to embarrass you, but I could feel that. I really could.

DODIE: I’m glad you did.

SID: And you don’t realize this, but I want to have, and I believe a lot of you do, I want to have the same compassion that you have.

DODIE: Sid, you do. I see it in you.

SID: Well thank you. But I’m not satisfied. I’m not going to be satisfied, Dodie, until I pray for someone that has an amputation just from the knee down and that foot is missing, that leg is missing. And I want to have the compassion of Jesus and pray for them, and that foot is going to go zoom, come right out.

DODIE: That’s what I want, too.

SID: Okay. I want you to pray for me and for every one of you that want that same compassion, that gift of love. I do not believe that Joel Osteen would be the person that he is today if it wasn’t for John and Dodie Osteen. You put that into them. Did you ever think Joel was going to be?

DODIE: No. He’s the last one in the world I would have thought would have pastored.

SID: Really?

DODIE: Yes. In fact I wanted him to go to college. Sid, I was so wrong. He went one year and dropped out and said he didn’t feel like going back another year. He wanted to start TV ministry. I said, “Son, I want you back.”

SID: Wait, he wanted to start a TV ministry for your husband, not for himself.

DODIE: Yes. That was 17 years before he became a pastor. And I was wrong and John was right. He said, “Son, you follow your heart.” Because it was just a little while later that his daddy died. And then he became a pastor. He told me God called him to be a pastor.

SID: Do you know his audience, I just found out, is 40 million a month. Would you have ever thought that, ever?

DODIE: Never. God has given him such favor and he is a real man. He’s real.

SID: I also found out something about him. I’ve never met him, but I found out something about your son. He hears from God.

DODIE: He does. He hears from God. He’s a very wise man.

SID: I want you to pray this for our audience.

DODIE: Okay. Father, I pray for the healing of people that are watching us today. Lord Jesus, you want your children well. You said you would give us the desires of our hearts. So do that for them, Father. Jesus, you said that you would restore health into us and heal us of our wounds. So I ask you to do that for your children, Father. I curse the diseases. I come against them just like Jesus spoke to the fig tree. I command them to wither and die, and leave, and never, ever, ever come back again. Father, you give the people the great wisdom to take care of their bodies and to do what you want them to do, Father. And Jesus, that compassion, we all need more compassion to be like you, Jesus. So give it to us, Father. Help us to all walk in love, Father, and not to criticize people, and not to see them as someone inferior, but to love them, Father, and to be kind to them and show the love that you have, Jesus, so that they in turn can be kind and be full of compassion. Jesus, help us not to judge people, but to see people as you do within eyes of love. And thank you, Father, for healing and making your children well, and restoring health, and healing us of all of our wounds. And bless Sid and help him to stay healthy and strong, and to keep doing good like he is for people all over the world.

SID: And you pray for Dodie right now if you’re home. And I’m going to tell you this, when you get to Heave

DODIE: Amen.

SID: But you know the first question Jesus is going to ask you, and I want you to ponder this, did you learn to love.

DODIE: Isn’t that sweet. Did you learn to love? That’s good. Oh my goodness. You make people feel so good.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him from his office at Millerstown, Pennsylvania is John McTernan. John was a Federal Agent for 26 years with the eternal security division of IRS. He also is cofounder of International Cops for Christ. And he has authored a book that you must read. The title “God’s Final Warning to America” which John has documented sins that have occurred like Gay Pride Day or a big pro-abortion type rallies or anti-Semitic or anti-Israel stances by the US. And the exact day judgment hits. Out of curiosity John have other people seen I mean this is too much it’s not 2 times it’s over and over and over again. Have other people been aware of this before they saw your book?

John: Sid I can say that people are really not aware of it. What they’ve told me is that as I have spoken throughout the nation is that we knew that we were under judgment we’ve seen these earthquakes and we knew that we were under judgment we just didn’t put it together like you have. So I’ve seem to be a catalyst for a lot of people in that it ties together what they knew was occurring but they just didn’t have.

Sid: How about people that have never even thought about this what affect does it have when they see the sin and the judgment occurring the same day in America?

John: Yeah I’ve had people tell me that there it’s done that they were like paralyzed when they realized that God was so real. You know it wasn’t like something way off in the future that it was happening right under their noses the authority of God’s word became so real to them that they were paralyzed when they saw it.

Sid: Okay I’m going to have a lot of people upset if I don’t pose the question we ended with on yesterday’s broadcast. And that is President Clinton was as we know humiliated internationally on a specific day when the affair of Lewinski became public on that specific day?

John: Well Sid on that day he had met with Prime Minister Netanyahu who then was the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, over again I use the expression carving up the covenant land. And he was using the power of the United States to pressure Netanyahu into this peace process. So he had just finished with Netanyahu and it was about it was either a half hour or an hour in between that he was going to meet with Yasser Arafat for the same purpose. During that down time of approximately half hour or an hour while Arafat was waiting to meet with him that’s when the President was told about the breaking of the Lewinski scandal. Exactly as he was going to meet with Arafat that scandal broke.

Sid: Do you have any…

John: Not an hour later or an hour before I mean exactly as Arafat was waiting for him that scandal broke.

Sid: Is there any doubt that that’s a direct correlation that that’s a judgment from God?

John: Well this is the way I look at it Sid he was humiliating Israel and then at the same time he was humiliated.

Sid: Now you list I mean even when people like Arafat come to the United States and try to solicit United States to be anti-Israel what happens to our stock market?

John: Sid while you were talking I had my book in front of me and I was counting the number of times Arafat has come here and we have had judgments fall on us it’s 9. Actually I have one that’s in addition to the book if we have a chance I’ll speak of it so I have 10 incidences when Arafat has come that disaster has hit us.

Sid: Alright give us specific examples.

John: Okay Sid we had March 2, 1997 and Arafat comes to meet with Former President Clinton in Washington. And on that same day and I’m going to try and…there’s been so many disasters it may be hard for you to remember but if you think back to 1997 there was a city in Arkansas which ironically is the President’s home state Arkadelphia it was literally taken…

Sid: That was President Clinton’s home state, go ahead.

John: Yeah former President Clinton it was literally taken off the map well up to that time it was considered the worst tornado storm in the United States history. Tornados when they cross Arkansas it cost billions of dollars worth of damage and they went into settled over…the storm settled over Ohio resulting in triennial rain that caused the worst flooding in 100 years in Ohio. That all started that very time the very day Arafat came to meet with President Clinton over the covenant land of Israel, just incredible storms hit. In fact the flooding ended up taking the city of Thelma, Kentucky right off the map. So with Arafat here we had 2 small cities in the United States literally taken off the map with the storms. And then Arafat went to the United Nations. Sid do you remember back in 1997 when the whole world was upset because Israel was building housing homes in east Jerusalem?

Sid: Of course.

John: It was called Har homa?

Sid: Yes I do.

John: Right well he went Arafat that’s why he met with President Clinton then. Can you imagine over there in Israel building homes the whole world was literally upset. He was met with President Clinton and then he went to the United Nations the very day he went to the United Nations the stock market had reached up until that point it had zenith. From that day on while he was here, because he stayed for about a week or 2 more and then President Clinton was condemning Netanyahu for not going along with the peace and building these homes. The stock market free falled for 100’s and 100’s and 100’s of points until Netanyahu came in August and met with President Clinton. And then President Clinton dropped the attack on Israel over, and you don’t hear about any more about Har Homa? The whole attack ended, Arafat went home the stock market went back up like the very day. So the very day Arafat came to the United States and spoke to the United Nations and was demanding and commanding Israel the United Nations was condemning Israel and that period of time Israel was condemned 4 times by the General Counsel and by the Security Council, but the stock market was literally going out of control and freefall. And then it all ended the stock market started an upward progression again. We’re not talking about a week before and a week afterward we’re talking about starting on the very day. So that’s really what I know was the correlation with Arafat that’s the first time I noticed the judgment falling over Israel. And then we go to January 21, 1998 and that’s when…that’s the question you just asked me before about Lewinski Arafat was here and the scandal broke out. September 27, 1998 Arafat is meeting with the President in Washington the hurricane I’m going to pronounce it right it’s Georges not George it’s Alabama and it stalls. I’ve documented the hurricane almost hit the very time Arafat landed in the United States he met with the former Secretary of State Albright. He stayed 3 days to meet with the president and the former president and the former Secretary of State. He then spoke at the United Nations and he left. For those exact 3 days the hurricane stalled at the Gulf of Mexico it sat half in the Gulf and half hitting Alabama and Mississippi and then when he left the hurricane dissipated and that was the end of it. So for the exact 3 days that he was here the Gulf Coast was being racked by Hurricane Georges I think did 2 billion I think it did several billion dollars worth of damage the exact time that Yasser Arafat was here.

Sid: In your book you document every time we go against Israel, every time we have a homosexual events, every time we have pro-murder of pro-abortion events there is judgment that hits on the precise day. And you call it warning judgments and is there a chance that God will change His mind.

John: Sid I can’t speak for God but I think we’ve crossed a threshold now where when you start marrying homosexuals and you call it civil rights because God’s plan even before the fall Sid there was a man and a woman and a family that was God’s plan from the beginning. When you start tampering with that and marrying homosexuals and attack people that stand against that we reach the realm Sid that is right that I call reprobate. When you can take a baby out of the mother accept for a little bit of the skull and crack the skull open and suck the brains out and kill the baby and that’s a constitutional right we’ve crossed a threshold Sid that I don’t know if we can come back from. When you disregard God’s word and his covenant with His people Israel and you say you we’re going to force you to give a third of Jerusalem away where the Temple Mount is and the land of Judea and Samara is we’ve crossed a threshold Sid and I think in these 3 areas we’ve crossed the threshold where our prayer now has to be to have mercy and judgment.

Sid: Well I interviewed Anita Johnson who’s received the same type of prophetic warnings from God and she is saying the same thing the only prayer at this point is to stall judgment for the sake of revival. However there are so few believers have the information that you’ve assembled in this book. But you’ve said to me that God supernaturally put this documentation into your hands. You know Mishpochah if it was the same week then we call these things coincidence but one sin after another that is publically documented the exact day that the sin occurs you can see a judgment hit America. On tomorrows broadcast I would like you talk just a bit about the abortion issue and the direct correlation of judgments that have occurred to the United States of America.

SID: You know James, you’ve had so many encounters in Heaven. But there’s three in particular in which God commissioned James for imparting the activation of your spiritual senses. Tell me about some of those visitations.

JAMES: Well in September of 2009, I had a visit in Heaven with the Lord and he said, “I want you to begin to impart some of these things to other people.” And he showed me how he wanted me to do that, and it was really a command from the Lord. I was not too eager to do that, but the Lord pressed on me that this is important in this season. People really need to get their senses activated. There are things that are getting ready to happen and they need to be alert and aware, and ready to deal with these things. And so the Lord said you must do this. And I, all that time in the military I knew how to stand at attention, say yes sir, I will do it. And I began to do that. And then I had another visit like that in 2011 before I got ready to go to a ministry trip overseas. And the Lord said, “I want to give you an anointing to release an impartation for renewing the mind.” And he was specifically talking about how can you help people break free from the things that bind them up and prevent them from using their spiritual senses. And he said the primary things that we needed to break free from were unforgiveness, bitterness and strife. And he specifically said that when you pray for people I’m literally going to just burn these things out and set them free so that they can begin to operate in the spiritual gifts and the spiritual senses at a higher level than they’ve ever operated before.

SID: You know James, I have found a spiritual truth that I want your opinion on this, that is blowing my mind, so to speak, and here is the spiritual truth. When I talk about true things that are negative and all you have to do is watch the news and you can talk about true things that are negative, the presence, the Glory of God lifts off of me.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: And when I lift up the Messiah, when I talk about good and pure, and lovely, and things of a good report, just like it says to do in Philippians, the Glory increases. Now my mother didn’t raise a dummy. I like the Glory increasing. This is what I’m experiencing.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: Do you understand what I’m saying?

JAMES: Oh absolutely. One of the things that the Lord did say to me, I was so serious about some of these in the beginning. And the Lord spoke to me one day, and he said, “You know, you need to lighten up.” I think we need to lighten up. And some of these things that we’re holding onto are causing us to be under the spirit of heaviness. And God wants us to lighten up and let our emotions get free from this bondage so that he can begin to impart the things that we need in this season. He can begin to speak to us so we can we hear, he can begin to manifest things so we can see and God wants us to be set free from these limitations.

SID: Well you know something, James, just as you said lighten up, I don’t know what this has to do anything, except God started operating words of knowledge I know with you and I know with me right now, and I know he’s doing it with you.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: But people with arthritis in your fingers, bend them and you’ll see all the pain is gone and people with problems in their spine, you are healed in Yeshua’s name.

JAMES: Amen.

SID: In Jesus’ name you are healed. What’s God showing you?

JAMES: Well God was showing me that glaucoma is being healed. So if someone who is burdened with that, right now just receive that from the Lord and let the Lord release you from that. Be healed of glaucoma. And the Lord is saying that there are people who have literally a stiff neck, and pain in the neck and the shoulders, and the Lord has released a healing and anointing right now to break people free, and in the name of Jesus, just receive that healing. Also I heard from the Lord that there are people that their legs and their knees are kind of weak and maybe trembling right now. And the Lord wants to strengthen you for your walk in the Kingdom, so he’s releasing healing. If you have that right now, a weakness in your legs or in your knees, just receive from the Lord your healing. In the name of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach, we release these healings to you now.

SID: And a deaf spirit, I bind in Yeshua’s name.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: Is gone.

JAMES: Amen.

SID: Now you were recently in Israel and the Mount of Transfiguration. That’s another thing that provokes me to jealousy. I would have loved to have been there. Well I’ve been there many times, but I mean when the Glory was on you. His clothes even turned whiter than the color white. But what happened to you just recently at the Mount of Transfiguration, what happened?

JAMES: Well at the Mount of Transfiguration, we were just led to a certain spot with a big rock, and we sat down there, and just Heaven opened, and things began, the Glory came down. People began to experience healing—spirit, soul and body, not just bodily healing, but also in the spirit and the soul. And then suddenly, a door opened in Heaven. And I was looking at this open door, and it felt as if the spirit just lifted me up, and I went through that door, and went into Heaven where I met the Lord. And there with the Lord, he came over to me and he put his hands on my head, and he said, “I’m releasing an impartation to you right now to set people free from the limitations that prevent them from operating in the spiritual senses, in the spiritual gifts. And I want you to go back and begin to release this to other people.”

SID: How about when we come back I’m going to put a demand on the gift that James has and he’s going to pray for you. We’ll be right back.

Sid: I’m talking this week about my trip to Israel and I’ll tell you something I feel like Joshua and Caleb spying out the land and I have a good report. The world has a bad report, they see war and rumors of war and they see intifada, but I have a good report. I saw an open heaven in Israel and I want to proclaim it to the world “This is the set time to favor Zion; this is the time to reach Jewish people with the gospel.” Why? Because I believe some very hard times are coming and I believe that by reaching Jewish people with the gospel that it’s going to raise up the One New Man, the Jew and Gentle, One New Man in Messiah Yeshua, Messiah Jesus, ready to do the works Jesus did and even greater.

Well when I got to the land of Israel my sister and brother-in-law who immigrated about a year and a half ago to Israel greeted me at the airport. I was so glad to see them, although I have to tell you though a little late and I was wondering oi vey because I just zipped through immigrations so fast, but they finally came and I was a little hungry. So we checked into a hotel in Jerusalem and we went looking for something to eat and boy we walked and walked. And you know there’s hills in Jerusalem and walked. And I was getting so tired and I said “Let’s just go back to the hotel and my sister said “Oh no, no so we found a shwarma shop.” Now you know what shwarma is that’s sort of like lamb on pita, you put hot sauce and it’s so delicious and then there’s another thing that my producer just salivates over, it’s called falafel. And they have so much great, I mean that’s all I ate just about when I was in Israel, falafel sandwiches and shwarma sandwiches. I mean we go in there and immediately I was tired but I wasn’t too tired to witness. I started witnessing to this waiter this young Israeli handsome young man and a beautiful waitress over there. She started eavesdropping, and all of a sudden a Hassidic Jew walks up because he heard just enough of the conversation to be interested. I’ll you that I almost fell off my chair when he said to me “I hear God in your voice.” I said “What do you mean?” He said “Well, I studied and I heard of this particular person, I studies with Shlomo Karlbauch and this is a wonderful Hassidic singer. I was a sound engineer and he didn’t say it but I knew that he was into Kabballah, that’s Jewish mysticism and he said “I really hear God in your voice.” And I said “Well, I have to tell you what I believe, I don’t believe in Rabbinic Judism. I believe that we Jews were created to have intimacy with God. And he looked at me and said “We’re not too far a part I agree with you.” And then I said “Well, there’s one more thing that I believe and that is that Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah.” And then he said “I feel sorry for you.” But we can be friends as long as you don’t tell people this. And I said “No, no I tell people this.” And then with that I’ll tell you he looked with venom in his eyes at me, I mean that hatred that was… I have to tell you it was the same hatred I read about in the New Testament when people looked at Paul and looked at Yeshua it was strong! And then he began to curse and made obscene gestures and left. With that the waiter said to me “You know that’s why I’m not interested in religion because of him.”

I have to tell you as I was talking to this young waiter I could feel love, it was a supernatural love and it was just pouring out of me, it was splashing out of me on him. I could feel this happening and I could feel him responding and I said to him “This is what I believe I’m not too thrilled over religion I’m proud of being Jewish but I’m not too thrilled about religion, I believe that better than 90% of what we call Judism is tradition and actually misrepresents God. It may be beautiful but it actually misrepresents God and it actually gets in the way of intimacy with God. God is love, and love is pouring out of my heart into him while I’m talking to him. Then I said and as a matter of fact I feel the same way about religious Christianity better than 90% of it is tradition and it’s beautiful tradition but it gets in the way of intimacy with God.

So here’s my spin “What if we pulled out all of the traditions from Judism and what if we pulled out all of the tradition from Christianity? Do you know what would be left with the scriptures and intimacy with God?” And he said “You know I like the way you talk.” I said I wrote a book I don’t have it with me but I’ll bring it to you.” Do you know that this young waiter told me 3 times please bring me that book, I need this intimacy with God. Three times he asked me to bring him this book and of course I did. I have to tell you this I had some second thoughts about bringing him the book because this orthodox Jewish had such hatred and I just had a feeling that he ate there every night it was a good shwarma shop. And I had some fear just rose up with me I was surprised but it did. If you had seen the hate in this man’s eyes, and then I came to my senses because the Bible says “God has not given you a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind.” And I recognized that God is for me so who could be against me, God sent me to Israel this is ridiculous. I mean this spirit actually was trying to intimidate me from bringing the book back to this young waiter. When I came to my senses it left but I see that spirit of fear in the land of Israel and when even the believers are fearful of sharing. And if believers don’t share whose going to share, but I learned something as strong as I am in the Lord that spirit of fear tried to attach itself to me and it is a spirit. And in the name of Yeshua and the word of God and the blood of God it’s too much for that spirit to handle. And it vamoosed, it got lost.

Then this young waiter I asked him can I pray for you and I said “What can I pray for you?” And he said “I’m going into the military and I’m afraid.” And I prayed for him and he felt so good, and you know what was going on simultaneously with me witnessing to this waiter and waitress there was a New Age rally going on in the Sea of Galilee area you know how many young Israelis went to that? Twenty-five thousand young Israelis that’s legal, but it’s illegal to have a meeting about Yeshua for young unsaved Israelis, I mean it shows you how crazy the world is. Even the torah condemns the New Age in Deuteronomy chapter 18 but they had this. Why are they going after New Age in droves? The only viable option they have in the land of Israel is religious Orthodox Judaism and their turned off to that. And so therefore, their sitting ducks for the New Age. You know what I’m told when an Israeli graduates and gets out of the army, special planes chartered to take them to India. They go to India to invest the gurus, so if we don’t plant the gospel within them the devil is not shy. If believers in the land are intimidated the devils people aren’t shy. I go into shopping malls in the land of Israel and I see physics in the malls doing tarot cards, reading palms.

Sid: And I’ll tell you something the next move; the greatest move of the history of the world of God’s Spirit coming on humanity is about ready to happen and it’s going to happen on the young people. Why the young people? Because the older generations just isn’t willing to change their stuck in tradition just like my ancestors were in Egypt when the whole generation did not make it to Israel outside of Joshua and Caleb and a few teenagers. But God wants this generation of young people; He wants their hearts shepherded. And that’s why I have on the telephone Dr. Tedd Tripp pastor of Grace Fellowship Church in Hazelton, Pennsylvania. I’m interviewing him and speaking to him about his book “Shepherding a Child’s Heart.” Explain for those again for those that are tuning for the first time Tedd what do you mean by “Shepherding a Child’s Heart?” How is that different than all of these books on child psychology a lot of them Biblical psychology they never deal with this question?

Tedd: Well I think if the heart is the wellspring of life and that’s what proverbs chapter 4 says that Jesus put it this way in Luke chapter 6 He says “It’s out of the overflow of the heart that the mouth speaks.” So whatever is going on in the behavior or whatever children say or do it’s a reflection of the heart. Therefore in parenting I want to be shepherding the heart; I want to see the heart change. The promise of the New Covenant in Ezekiel 36 the heart change; “I will take out your stony heat and I’ll give you a heart of flesh I’ll put My Spirit in you to cause you to walk in My ways.

Sid: But it seems as though children my nature are rebellious, rebellious to any type of authority and by training in this society through the great disciple of our age secular television they don’t respect authority. How do you teach authority in the home?

Tedd: Well that’s a great question I think that you begin by using the scriptures; the scriptures are our guide in all things. And in Ephesians chapter 6 in 1 – 3 it says “Children obey the parent your parents in the Lord for this is right; honor your father and your mother which is the first commandment with a promise that it might go well with you and you might enjoy long life on the earth.” Now what God has done in that passage is that He has drawn a circle in which children are to live and the boundary of the circle is honor and obey. And the promise of the circle the circle of blessing is because the promise is that “It will go well with you and you will enjoy long life.” So I talk in the book “Shepherding” about training children to have that vision to understand from the time that they are very little that you have been given mommy and daddy who love you and it is good for you to obey mommy and daddy. I was watching my youngest son Aaron doing this recently with his son Benjamin and he was saying words like this “Benjamin you need to obey obey God has given you a mommy and daddy who love you and God says that is a blessing for you to obey mommy and daddy and you need to obey mommy and daddy God says that it will go well with you and you want very long life. And then he said to his son he said “Benjamin it’s hard to obey isn’t it.” And Benjamin kind of nodded and he’s 2½ “Benjamin, who can help you obey?” Jesus can help you obey, let’s pray and ask Jesus to help you to obey daddy because you know that’s what’s good for you.” Now there is a very beautiful presentation because what he’s presenting is a very beautiful picture to his son. God has found a circle in which we are to live; it is a good thing for you to obey and I insist on your obedience because I love you and I know that is the best possible thing for you is to be a person under authority. Now I think we talk to our children about that and we sell them on that by continuing given them that truth. And you know sometimes God’s truth it is self authenticating because the Spirit of God works through the word of God to convict our children’s hearts of the truth of God.

Sid: You talk about a misnomer where some children they obey but in their heart they’re fighting you every inch of the way; they’re almost like good actors but there’s no change in their heart.

Tedd: I think that often takes place though because of the fact that the parents are focused so much on externals and not really dealing, not even addressing the heart not really dealing with true submission. So that what I want to do with my children is to continually be persuading them that it is the path of blessing it is the best thing in the world for you to be a person who’s under authority. You know when I was a kid my dad used to do this with me in fact with my siblings he taught us Ephesians 6:1. He used to say to us when we were slow to obey he would say “What’s Ephesians 6:1?” And we would have to quote the verse and then he would say “Now you know what you need to do then don’t you?” And then we would go off and do whatever we were told to do. One night he brought a friend home from work and he was giving us directions throughout the evening “Okay it’s time for you to set the table.” I turned and said “I’ve got homework to do; “What is Ephesians 6:1 so we would go and set the table. Okay it’s time for you to do the dishes, “It’s not my turn. What’s Ephesians 6:1?” We’d go out and do the dishes; okay kids it’s 9:00 it’s time to go to bed “Oh dad.” “Get to bed. What’s Ephesians 6:1? So we went off to bed. The end of the night my dad…

Sid: Excuse me for those that don’t know Ephesians 6:1 would you quote it?

Tedd: Yes “Ephesians 6:1 “Children obey your parents in the Lord for this is right.”

Sid: That’s short enough for a child to memorize.

Tedd: That’s right and it’s funny that at the end of the night my dad friend said exactly what you said “What is Ephesians 6:1?” He thought that he had learned this magical phrase.

Sid: (Laughing)

Tedd: But of course it’s not magic it’s a training process but we train our children by coming to them again and again and again with this message “God has drawn a circle” and you can do this visually with kids it’s very easy graphically “God has drawn a circle and the boundary of the circle is honor and obey, I use honor and obey your father and your mother and God promises these wonderful blessings. It will go well with you and you will enjoy long life.” You want it to go well with you don’t you honey. “Yeah, I do.” You want it to enjoy long life don’t you?” Well every child is going to agree to that. Well daddy and mommy want that for you too we want it to go well with you; we want you to enjoy long life and that’s why we insist on you obeying. But what I’m trying to do here is more than even just secure obedience in the moment. What I’m trying to do is help my child do is embrace a whole world view a whole cultural concept that it is a blessing to live under the authority structures that God has ordained.

Sid: You know you’re almost provoking me to jealousy I wish that my parents had raised me that way; I wish that I had known a lot of these things when my daughter was very little. But there’s a generation that will be saying “I wished…” if they don’t start practicing these principals immediately.

Tedd: Yeah and I think you know what by encouragement too I always tell parents when I’m teaching seminars wherever you are trust God with the fact that you heard this today and God’s sovereignty He has give it to you now; you’re kids maybe 6,8,10, 12, 14 start where you are and go home and train and instruct your children first. Talk to them first about these wonderful principals. You know I want life to go well with you; I want you to enjoy long life and God says as you live under His authority as you love honor and obey it will go well with you and you will enjoy long life. So you go home train and instruct your children first. What you don’t want to do is to have them think a new pharaoh’s come to the throne in Egypt and these…

Sid: Speaking of the new pharaoh what’s your position on the rod?

Tedd: Well we…I believe what the scriptures teach and I believe that the scriptures teach very clearly in the Book of Proverbs that we should use the rod of correction. And Proverbs 13:24 “He who hates his son spares the rod and he who loves him disciplines him.” Proverbs 22:13, 14, Proverbs 29:15-17 there’s several passages in Proverbs that talk about the rod of correction you know. “Do not withhold correction from the child if you discipline him with the rod he will not die; discipline him and deliver his soul from death. Proverbs 22:15 says “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child and the rod of correction drives it far from him.” So I believe that God has given us clear direction in the scriptures that we are to; we’re to use the rod of correction and I…

Sid: And to what degree do you do this I mean 3 strokes or where does it become abuse?

Tedd: Well that’s a very good question and I believe that we should be gracious and Godly and never abusive to our children. And I think that proper use of the rod is never abusive. Let me give you an illustration. I had an opportunity to observe a mother giving a spanking. This little…this mother was saying “Honey mommy loves you and mommy’s not mad at you but you disobeyed mommy and God says that you must obey and so mommy’s going to have to discipline you.” And I turned and looked and it was a little girl in our church who was about 4 years old and she was disciplining her dolly and the thing that struck me as I observed this was that there was no anger in her tone, she wasn’t ungracious, she wasn’t unkind, she was focused, she was goal directed. Now obviously she was imitating her mommy she had heard these lines 100’s of times and she had even memorized the whole speech, “Honey I’m not mad at you I love you, you didn’t obey and God said “You must obey; Mommy’s going to have to discipline you.” So I think that it can be done in very gracious ways.

Sid: It kind of explains that scripture you read yesterday that for 3 generations you’re children will be blessed but or for 3 generations they’ll have the wrong things passed on.

Tedd: That’s right, that’s right. I think that we can be very gracious and kind in the way that we do it and I have some steps that I recommend to parents when I’m teaching a seminar that are very very gracious in the way that we approach the use of the rod so that we’re not ever disciplining in anger. And if we keep the focus clear it’s never about anger; you see I’m not coming to my kids with my teeth bared “I’ve had it with you you haven’t been listening to me you’re going to get it now!” When I cook my children that way the energy behind that discipline is anger you know “I’m offended, I’m upset, you’re going to get it.” No the way that I’m coming to my children is “Honey I love you I’m committed to you; God says that you must obey mommy and daddy and “It will go well with you in and you want very long life.”

Sid: What if they’re angry with you after you spank them?

Tedd: Well let me get to that in a second…

Sid: I’ll tell you what I’ll let you get to that one on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: And you should hear the conversations I have sometimes with my guests before we go on the air. I have on the telephone Anna Rountree and I’m speaking to her at her home in Moravian Falls, North Carolina by way of telephone. And I have a copy of her book which I just read “The Heavens Opened.” On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that she was writing a book on Bob Jones a prophet who’d been to heaven many times. And she felt “Well I can’t relate to this because I don’t know what heaven’s really like.” Not realizing that God was listening and since that time she has had 100’s of visitations to heaven. She literally will put a hunger within you to taste heaven. And I asked her before we went on the air anyone that pays the price that’s a believer in the Messiah can they go to heaven?” And what did you say to me Anna?

Anna: I said “Absolutely.” And in fact more so now a days because Sid I really believe that through this book and some others like Rick Joyner and others are forerunners it is. You keep using the word provoke you to jealousy and it is to provoke one to jealousy to seek to go on. I believe that the Lord is bringing ever all of the believers into a place where they can communicate directly with Him.

Sid: Let me ask you a question. We had talked earlier about this off the air, but what was known as the Charismatic Movement that your husband was a pioneer in that’s pretty much finished isn’t it?

Anna: Well it’s simply an opinion but I believe so I believe that it was actually finished in 1977.

Sid: And what we call the “Renewal Movement” Brownsville and Toronto and lots of other places it’s still going on but I don’t see the same degree of changes in people like I did at the beginning and it’s almost the same as the Charismatic Movement. So we’re kind of in between moves of God’s Spirit. But you know what’s going on in the heavenlies what in your opinion will be the next move of God’s Spirit?

Anna: I think that it’s going to be so entirely supernatural of course it’s always supernatural, but I don’t think that it’s going to be as tied to a church or something of this sort. I really believe that the Lord wants to call people directly to Himself. What I call calling people to the Garden. I think that we’re trying to aim for the wrong thing Sid, I think that we’re aiming for the early church or…

Sid: Well you and I have discussed this. You and I know that I am a Messianic Jew a Jewish believer in Jesus and Anna and I were talking about this and said “You Messianic Jews don’t go back far enough.” I said “What do you mean we go back to Moses and the Torah and the Biblical Festivals.” And then she said what she just said to me “We don’t go back far enough, how far should we go Anna?”

Anna: All the way to the Garden that was when there was no division (Laughing.)

Sid: Well that’s true (Laughing.)

Anna: That’s right there is no division there and…

Sid: you mean before the fall of course?

Anna: Well really yeah before the fall but even just the Lord walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden.

Sid: It sounds so pure and so wonderful.

Anna: It’s He wants that kind of intimacy and He wants us as it says “Set your mind on things above.” And we have become so earthly minded here that we don’t understand that what we actually need to do Sid is that we need to live above and commute to work on earth. But we have gotten very centered earth centered which Paul warns us not to do but to look above because it shifts on to… it throws everything on to the Lord then. When you live above you know absolutely that things must shift to Him and your flesh starts getting out of it (Laughing) you see? It…

Sid: But Anna it’s easy to preach it now you and your husband are living this, you’re out in a beautiful view because I was in your home I almost got snowed in as a matter of act.

Anna: Yes.

Sid: In Moravian Falls which is a story all unto itself but the average person the pull…ah well let’s just be candid the pull of the world, the pull of the flesh.

Anna: Ah huh.

Sid: The pull of this life without some supernatural help how do you shift out of that pull to just being so single minded? How does someone do this?

Anna: Well all right during the time that these things began with me Sid my husband took an interim pastor ship in a Presbyterian Church in the Pan Handle of Florida we were down in Florida. It was a small church and in a small church it actually keeps you busier than a big church because you must do everything visit the sick, teach, preach, do all of the things with the children. And besides you know going to getting to know everyone and I don’t think it was corning season which is shucking corn and snapping green beans and things like that when you’re out in the country. And so we were incredibly, incredibly busy we really were. And these visions, I was having these visions anyway what you must do is that you must want God more than anything, you must say to yourself as I believe you have said “This has got to be something more.” And that’s very much what we said to ourselves after we left working with the pastors in Kansas City, “There has got to be more.” We have seen revival; we’ve been in 3 revivals in fact. We have seen the pastors coming together in unity and love and as glorious as that is there has got to be something more. And so we left to go and find the something more we wanted to know what the more was. And once you get into a hot pursuit of God He will raise up to meet you on the path, He will say “This person is seeking Me and they are desirous of Me.” Not desirous of My supernatural things of squiggly things that are going to make you feel wonderful and exciting and disappear like Chinese food. No the person is seeking Me they want Me. When you seek God then the other comes with that but it’s in the pursuit of God Himself!

Sid: It’s a catch 22. Is God waiting on us or are we waiting on God?

Anna: Well I believe that He waits to see if You’re going to do it. He gives everyone so much already and we’re certainly not grateful you know. I mean we’re still too titillated by the knowing this little mystery or that little mystery.

Sid: Speaking of mysteries I asked you a question. Do you ask the Lord questions? Do you ask all of these mysteries and I’m amazed that yes you’ve asked a few questions but you’re really not interested in that when you go to heaven are you?

Anna: I’m really not (Laughing).

Sid: What are you interested in when you go to heaven I mean I’ve got all sorts of questions about healing and about end times and I…

Anna: (Laughing.)

Sid: I mean I would sit down with my little notebook like a reporter (Laughing.)

Anna: (Laughing.) It’s so amazing just being there even though (This is more mind blowing than anything) one becomes accustomed to it because you have been there many times you know and so it doesn’t just rattle you every time you go it’s like home; that’s like home and here is almost like foreign land you know but here is where you were sent to work and serve the Lord. But up there is home…

Sid: Now you wouldn’t do my television show why wouldn’t you do my television show Anna?

Anna: Well I know it sounds strange I know it, but the Lord asked us to be hidden and when you see a face then you start getting this personality along with it. These books are absolutely His book they are not ours at all. I had no idea I was going to write a book at all Sid all I did was record the visions. No one was more astounded than me when the Lord said “I want this in a book.” And I thought “Who would read this, who would believe me Lord?”

Sid: That’s the better question “Who would read it who would believe it?” (Laughing)

Anna: I know “Who would believe that this is true?” But all I did was find out what He wanted and lift right straight from my journal where I had been recorded and put it into the book. All I did was just join them together you know, of course a lot of them weren’t in there because there’s just too many of them. And so that’s all I did so what you have.

Sid: But this books going all over the world now and you’re not even promoting it.

Anna: Well that’s right.

Sid: Ah we’re out of time. Oh Mishpochah I want to find out about the parts the body parts in heaven that are ready to come here the miracles, the angels being trained to release…to assist us in the working of miracles…

Sid: You want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah but there’s something stopping you, you don’t have enough of the power of God to do this, you don’t have the anointing of God. Well did you ever stop to think that you’re in process of changing and that you can speed that change up so that you can be a new vessel to hold that new wine that is coming so that you can expand your wineskin, you can even expand your day, you can expand your health, you can expand your marriage. That’s what we’re talking about I’m interviewing RT Kendall. I’m speaking to him at his home in Key Largo, Florida. RT is the former Senior Minister of Westminster Chapel In London, England, also holds a PhD from Oxford University. He has a book that I recommend to everyone that’s called “Total Forgiveness – When Everything in You Wants to Hold a Grudge Point a Finger and Remember the Pain God Wants You to Lay it All Aside.” And on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about what total forgiveness is an in fact sometimes our conversations off the air are better than on the air but in this case they’re going to be better on the air. Let’s pick up with that point you were raising right before we went on the air RT.

RT: Well a number of years ago there was a best seller by Dale Carnegie called “How to Win Friends and Influence People.” And he makes a big point “Let the other person save face.” It’s an oriental expression, it’s when you cover for the person or acts like you don’t even know what they did they can preserve their self-esteem and their ego and so forth. And that is what Joseph did when he said to his brothers who had sold him to the Ismaelites 22 years before. And then saying now to Egypt Joseph could look at them and say “It wasn’t you who did it, it wasn’t you who sent me here it’s something God did.”

Sid: But you know there’s a thought exploding I hate to interrupt you but there’s a thought exploding inside of me “Many prisoners listen to our radio show and there are prisoners listening to us right now and some let’s just take an extreme are in prison because someone betrayed them or someone lied about them and they’ve been spending years in prison just nursing these hurts now they’re a Christian but they spent so much time developing and rehearing what this person did to them that it’s hard to break this; how do they do it?”

RT: Well Jim Bakker read my book when he was in the prison and he said that it changed his life and it set him free. He has a personal goal to put this book in every prison and to every prisoner in the world.

Sid: So he can really understand and relate because obviously all of us know the story of Jim Bakker.

RT: And so when a person in prison while he was there fairly or not usually has a lot of bitterness but the degree to which we forgive those who accused us or set us up, or let us down, lied about us. Sid we all got a story to tell there’s that person who was abused as a child, there’s that person that has been lied about and the world has believed the lie and you remain un-vindicated.

Sid: You don’t have to be in a physical prison to be in prison.

RT: Exactly, you’re in your own prison when you’re full of bitterness. Well, when you reach the place that you can say as Joseph did at one time was very bitter but now he’s a changed man he said “It wasn’t you who sent me here but God.” And these brothers they can’t believe it I can just hear Reuben whispering to Dan “Did we hear him right?” Asher says to Judah “Did he say we didn’t do it God did it?” And Joseph sets in and says “That’s exactly what I said.” And they can’t get over it they are amazed. And when I totally forgive I will let those people feel so good I won’t even let them know that it was ever a problem. Now believe me that isn’t easy and…

Sid: You know my wife likes to say and I’m sure it’s your reaction she like to say “Forgiveness is a process.” What do you think about that?

RT: Yeah I think so and it’s also a choice but you’ve got to keep doing it.

Sid: So it’s not a feeling.

RT: Oh no it becomes a feeling and I think that by the time it reached Joseph when Joseph faced his brothers it was by that time a feeling but initially it’s a choice Sid. And so your wife is right you’ve got a good wife her name if Joy you said.

Sid: Good name too (Giggling.)

RT: Well she’s right it is a process and you just keep doing it and you begin to feel it and your reach the place you just want them to save face. And I say that total forgiveness is when the other person doesn’t even know that it was a problem to you.

Sid: So until those feelings come it’s a love walk with God by faith.

RT: That’s right and you choose to do you may not feel like it but you do it you know that it’s right it’s a choice. The next proof that we’ve totally forgiven is that we protect that person from their greatest fear or maybe a deep secret. You may know something about another that if you told that it would destroy them.

Sid: And it would make your flesh feel so good.

RT: Yeah and you see Joseph knew what he could do to destroy those brothers of his all he had to do is say “You go back to Canaan and tell our father, Jacob, what you did and then I will see you again.” But you know what he knew they’d rather die than have to do that. And he tells them exactly what to say when he sends them back to Canaan he wants old Jacob to come and live in Egypt he writes a script for them Sid he won’t let them tell, he won’t let them tell what they did and when I have totally forgiven when any of us have totally forgiven we protect people from their fear. As I said most of us could destroy somebody, most of us know something about another person if we wanted to we could hurt them. But total forgiveness is when that person knows it will never be revealed and that’s the way God is with us.

Sid: Now what do you do if you understand this principal now but you failed in the past in those arenas?

RT: Just start in it again. I just say to people “Just start now if you’ve hurt people stop it, if you’ve been telling what they did just don’t do it anymore.”

Sid: You know there is an acceptable sin in Christianity you know what it’s called?

RT: What?

Sid: Gossip.

RT: (Laughing) Well you know I point out…

Sid: It’s not acceptable with God but it’s acceptable with religion.

RT: Well a point I made on a previous broadcast with you the other day the Holy Spirit is a very sensitive person and He’s depicted in the New Testament like a dove, a dove is a very shy bird. And the dove will just fly away without you knowing it when we do something that grieves the Holy Spirit we almost never know at the time when we grieved the Spirit that’s what we did and one of the main ways we do it is what you just referred to gossiping. When we gossip we don’t feel a thing it’s like Sampson when he gave his secret to Delilah he didn’t feel a thing but later found out he had grieved the Spirit and he didn’t have the strength he had before. That’s what you and I do and gossiping is a way of grieving the Spirit and we lose presence of mind.

Sid: How do you break yourself of that habit?

RT: I beg your pardon?

Sid: How do you break your…gossip is a habit it’s a bad habit how do you break yourself of that?

RT: Well.

Sid: Well if you’ve been doing it for most of your walk with the Lord.

RT: Well the way you do it is to narrow the time gap between sin and repentance. How long does it take you to admit that you’ve sinned or how long does it take you to admit you were wrong? For some it takes years, for some it takes months, for some it takes a few days, for some it takes a few minutes. And if you can get to know the ways of the Holy Spirit so intimately that you can catch yourself and when you’re getting ready to say something about somebody that unflattering you can feel inside a loss of peace and you think “Awe there it goes I’m about to grieve the Spirit I stop myself and refuse to say that which would cause the dove to fly away.”

Sid: You know I’m reminded of David he was a man after God’s own heart and he was quick to repent but what you’re saying is “Catch yourself` before you have to repent.”

RT: Get to know was caused the Spirit to be grieved the other day and don’t let it happened today. Sixth point how to know you’re totally forgiven:

• You keep doing it’s a life sentence.

What happened was 17 years after Joseph brought them back to Egypt his father died, their father Jacob died, and the brothers concocted a story and they go up to Joseph and say “Look before our father died he told us to tell you “Please forgive us for what we did.” And Joseph can’t believe it “What on earth is a matter with you men I told you 17 years ago I forgave you, I forgave you then I forgive you now.” Which means he still did it it’s not a one off thing Sid. It’s not enough to say “Well I forgive you today look I’ve got to do it tomorrow.” Sometimes the wife will say to the husband “I thought you forgave me and he says “Well that was yesterday.”

Sid: (Laughing)

RT: That’s not good enough it’s a life sentence and it’s something you keep doing. And this could be the hardest thing of all you just have to keep doing it.

Sid: But there’s a carat and that carat is that you can get the love of God that God wants for you, you can get the anointing of God that God wants for you, you can fulfill your destiny if that’s not a carat I don’t know what is.

RT: I can just tell you candidly that’s what works for me. I can tell you I hope I’m not sounding pious, I would rather have a greater anointing than anything in the world. In order to have that I’ve got to be sure that I do nothing knowingly that would grieve the Spirit. And the quickest way to grieve the Spirit is when I hold a grudge or when I’m angry.

Sid: We’re out of time.

Sid: Sid Roth here with Larry Sparks and Larry this vision it really impressed me that God gave you of those ancient rusty gates that were blocking things tell me about it.

Larry: It’s interesting it’s one of those areas in my life where at the time it was like the supernatural and the theological collided. I was at a revival meeting it was the Bay of the Holy Spirit it was Nathan Morris was the Evangelist ministering and it was a movement that came out of Pastor John Kilpatrick’s church in Mobile, Alabama. Pastor Kilpatrick the Pastor of the Brownsville Revival so God was doing something powerful in their midst they were in Orlando, Florida. I came because I was just hungry, I do whatever I can to connect myself with the legitimate move of the Holy Spirit and I encourage people if you feel dry and weary and your faith is waning and you want that fire back in your faith one of the best things that you can possible do is to expose yourself to the move of God is to connect with what God is doing. That’s what I did I went to this Revival Meeting and at the end we were just having altar time I’ll never forget Lidia Stanley the Worship Leader started to play a prophetic song and over and over again she started singing “Open up the gates, open up the doors.” And I remember rushing to the altar it’s one of those things where Sid my mind didn’t know what was happening but my spirit knew that God wanted to release something I didn’t quite know what it was but I ran up to the altar and I was just hungry and I was just kneeling down. It was a vision of the mind where I saw as we were singing this the atmosphere of hunger crying out “God open up the gates.” I had this vision of the mind where I saw these ancient rusty gates and when I explain gates it’s like they have bars down the middle and so it’s not a complete door it’s a gate that something can get through through the bars but in a limited quantity. And I felt this as I saw this the Lord spoke to me and said “Over you know…My Spirit has not been withdrawn from the earth.” Now sometimes even in Charismatic circles we think “Well there was the Book of Acts and then there’s a kind of silent time and then there’s Azusa Street happen.” But His Spirit really one thing I learned His Spirit has not been withdrawn from the earth and it’s so important to recognize that because throughout history there has been a remnant there have been people in every generation pressing in for the fullness of God. And what I saw in this vision is that throughout this century there has been a measure of activity of supernatural activity released from heaven into the earth through these like small holes in the gates. But as time is progressing toward the end as we’re entering really the last and great harvest and that there…Sid I know that you connect with a lot of people I think that by enlarge there is this atmosphere of just corporate hunger perhaps more than ever before. I just see it there’s communities rising up training people in the supernatural, more and more becoming theologically recognized. There’s theologians of the Holy Spirit I’m seeing something amazing. And in that vision what I saw was as this just cry of anger went up in great desperation I saw the gates actually lifting so that no longer was there just a restricted flow of the supernatural coming in through these holes in the bars but actually the entire gate was going up and there was just an unrestricted measure of the presence and power of God, gifts of the Spirit being released through that open gate. It was amazing I believe that is the season that we’re entering into and like I said the key was as I saw the gate lifted up it was like the gate was controlled not by God’s sovereignty but by the hunger and the cries of the people who wanted more.

Sid: Now you talk in your book about bad stewardship of the supernatural explain what you mean.

Larry: Well.

Sid: And that’s been restricting things in the past.

Larry: Yes, yes and even again sometimes in communities where we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit where we believe in the power of God we have a stewardship. And one thing we need to recognize is what we received 2000 years ago God gave us a precious gift He gave us His Son He gave us the Messiah. The wonderful thing is Jesus the Messiah came to yes get us into heaven He forgave us of our sins and cleaned us with His blood but He also made a provision for us to have something on earth. He cleansed us so that we could be people fit so that we could be inhabited by God to be fit to become the temple of God in the earth. So when I talk about stewardship of the supernatural every single Christian, every single genuine believer in Jesus has received the Holy Spirit. I don’t believe there is an upgrade of the Holy Spirit 2.0 type of thing however, however what are we doing with Him. How…what are we doing with His presence in our life? How are we drawling close to Him? Are we developing and cultivating friendship and intimacy with Him and do we recognize the precious gift that God has given us? Because I believe as we do, as we simply learn to do life living filled with the Holy Spirit everything changes.

Sid: Okay but what do you mean by stewarding? We have not been good stewards, what do you mean by that?

Larry: It’s recognizing the Holy Spirit has actually given us the ability to do there is the Person that God’s put inside of us and the Holy Spirit has given every single believer the ability to walk in the supernatural. I mean Jesus said it very clearly I believe it’s in Matthew 10 when He sent out the disciples He sent them on a mission He said “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons freely you have received, freely you’ve received now freely give.” We’ve received the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead and there’s nothing that’s impossible for Him to do. So stewardship of the Holy Spirit supernatural it’s recognizing what we received and responding appropriately. For example with faith when we get born again when we get saved it’s the Bible talks about “We receive a measure of faith.” Now do I believe that we should be constantly begging for more faith?” Now I don’t know if that’s the right language I do know that when we get saved we get a measure of faith this measure of faith is supernatural because it causes us…it enables us to believe that Jesus is the Messiah the Savior. It enables us to believe that one day we’re going to live with Him for heaven and it enables us to believe that actually the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of us. My thing is that if we’re able to believe all of those things because of this faith that we received why is it that we’re not putting that faith to work for other things like healing, and deliverance and living what the Bible defines as normal. And that’s the thing, what we’re doing is the Bible is our standard and we’re living beneath the standard and we need to actually raise our experience and our lifestyles back up to the standard and press in for that.

Sid: You know I often wonder I hear many believers say “Oh I don’t have enough faith.” What would you say to them?

Larry: God says “You have enough faith.” God says the word of God says “You have received a measure of faith.” You have faith that can get you to heaven, and you have faith that can raise the dead. So the reality is that we have been given all of the faith we’re going to ever receive. Now we can work it out, we work out faith just like we work out our natural muscles when we go to the gym. When we go to the gym we don’t get new muscles we work out what’s already on the inside of us and that’s what’s going to happen I believe as you take some of these practical keys and apply them whether it’s testimony, or declaring the word of God, or spending time in the presence of God. There are practical things that I believe are going to build your faith just like we build our muscles in the gym.

Sid: You talk about the need for hope in our society we sure have a need amplify on that.

Larry: Yeah, again we’re inundated with hopelessness and I believe that there are some very practical things that we can do to just start stirring up hope inside of us.

1. We need to know that God is able and willing. Really that’s one of the birth places for hope in us. A lot of us sing about how God is able, we know that God is able we have a Bible filled with all of the things that show God’s ability. He split the sea, He walked through the fiery furnace, He’s done so many things He’s demonstrated His ability. But there are so many people that don’t have hope because they had not married God’s ability with His willingness. So I encourage you the God who is able is also willing. And when you know that that stirs up hope, it give you hope it not only God can do this but He wants to. So you got to know that God is able and willing.
2. Another thing is just spend time in the word of God and look for new possibilities. If you’re sick look for the possibilities of healing they actually release and ignite hope inside of you if you are oppressed, if you are tormented, if you are dealing with fear and anxiety look for Bible promises in the scripture that deal with fear and anxiety and worry. What does that do? It gives you new option.

Sid: Alright what would you say to the person that feels “I see God doing that for others but you don’t know my past I am totally unworthy.”

Larry: Well the wonderful thing is you may feel like you have run a million miles away from God, and I’m sure that there are people that are listening that feel that way. You may feel like listen you don’t know my past, you don’t know my present, you don’t know what I’m dealing with now, you don’t know what I’m struggling with you don’t know the sin I’m in I’ve run so far away from God. But the good news is God has run towards you you can’t run the million miles back to God but the good news is He has run those million miles towards you. And what we just simply need to do is turn make about face whatever your struggling with, whatever you’re dealing with whatever the past the devil want to have that over you like a constant rain cloud. So all you’re focused on are your mistakes and your failures and your sins. Here’s what I encourage you to do “Repent.” What does that mean “To do an about face.” You may be staring at all of the junk I encourage you right now to do that just by the power and the unction of the Holy Spirit just turn around from those things, turn away from sin and turn towards God. One of the definitions I love of repentance is Bill Johnson calls it a lifestyle of repentance is a lifestyle living face to face with God.” And the reality is we look upon Him because He is infinitely more glorious and beautiful and wonderful and loving than all of that junk. Because all of that junk tries to do all the sin, all of the mistakes it just tries to keep us restrained and held back. So you are not beyond God’s help, you are not beyond God intervention, you are not beyond a miracle I just encourage you turn and face Him. See Him for how good He truly is. The Bible says “I lift up my eyes to the hills; where does my help come from, it comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.” Even as we talk right now Sid I feel like the Holy Spirit is touching people people like you just described “I’m just unworthy, I’m just unclean.” But the Holy Spirit’s touching them and it’s almost like I see Him taking their chin and they may have had their face and head down in disgust and shame and the Holy Spirit’s just lifting it, lifting it, lifting up their eyes to see God in His mercy and His grace. Turning their eyes from sin walking towards Him and He’s a faithful God He will never let you down.

Sid: Now you have a big problem with people that pray “Lord if it be your will.” Well they feel pretty humble when they pray that way but what would you say?

Larry: It sounds spiritual, it sounds theological, I’ve heard it and there is…there are times to pray if it be Thy will when it comes to making a decision in life you know when it comes to taking a job moving to a certain city. There are times you know we would call that a prayer of petition. But here’s the thing the Bible makes so many things just black and white. Randy Clark says “The things in the Bible I struggle with are not the complicated things they’re the simple ones.” And by struggle he meant “Those are the things I actually want to live it.” You know Jesus said like John 14:12 “The same works I have done you will do and greater works.” You know if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, the smallest faith you will say to this “Be removed cast into the sea and it shall be done.” These are pretty black and white scriptures; these are pretty black and white truth.” So I really believe that there are things in the Bible that are black and white very clear that there’s no if it be Thy will. There is no if it be Thy will when it comes to healing. When it comes to deliverance seeing people set free from demonic torment, from fear. Those are the…why do I say that, why can I say that with confidence because Jesus Christ was the expressed image of the invisible God. What does that mean? Everything that Jesus said, everything that Jesus did totally accurately revealed the will of God. And what Jesus did. And that’s why it’s so important for us to spend time in the gospels.

Sid: Can I do everything that Jesus did?

Larry: Yes, absolutely you absolutely can. It’s 100% legal and here’s the thing Jesus 100% God 100% man He’s our Messiah and He’s also our model for the Christian life. He showed us what it meant to live a life filled with the Holy Spirit. I don’t think that Jesus really needed out of necessity a baptism of the Holy Spirit but he got one. He was baptized by John the Baptist and so many of us are familiar with that story but Jesus was baptized in the water but He also received a baptism of the Holy Spirit. Why did He need it? No He was the Messiah God He was the Son of God, but He was from that moment what life could look like as a people as a people as men and women who are living filled with the Holy Spirit. He gave us a model and He gave us an example and that needs to be the standard.

Sid: You have some interesting quotes in your book I guess it came from your studying previous revivals, but one is A.W. Tozer wrote “The devil can handle me but can’t handle the one to whom I’m joined” comment.

Larry: Yes that’s the thing I see when it comes especially when it comes especially to spiritual warfare what I mean by that or when we are dealing with torment, when we are dealing with demonic, when we’re dealing with spiritual forces that are against us that Paul talks about in Ephesians. You know spiritual warfare and I see a lot of Christians today who are wrestling and fighting against a defeated devil. Is he out there still? He absolutely is and he works to try to deceive us and one of the main things that he want to deceive us is out of believing is that believing that the one that lives inside of us is actually greater than the one who is in the world and that that’s the devil. And you know what and this is just some good news for those of you who feel like you’re in spiritual conflict. Keep persevering, fight from victory not for victory because you already have victory in Jesus and the reality is the devil is not the opposite of God. He’s not like God’s arch nemesis where you just never know if God’s going to win or the devils going to win it doesn’t work like that. The devil is actually a created being and Jesus made it possible for him to be stripped of authority. And now we will…Jesus has given us the ability to trample upon the powers of the enemy. So I just encourage people we are to…not go against the devil not to try to fight him in our own ability in our own resources just as people but as we come just as people filled with the Holy Spirit using the word of God he cannot handle that, he cannot handle the One living inside of us.

Sid: Do you need a breakthrough in your life? Of course you do well you’re about to have a breakthrough of epic proportions….When we come back I want Larry to tell about the things he’s working on his Masters studying revivals what a wonderful Masters degree he’s just about finished it but he has some nuggets that are life changing for you.

 

 

 

Sid: I’ll tell you I was red hot at the days of Elijah Conference I want to go right now to that presentation which is part of our 2 hour video which is a must viewing.

Elijah Conference:

Sid: If it is a blessing the Jewish people rejected their Messiah now I’m going to do a switch on this that I’ve never done publically before I said what Mike Brown said last night but this is what the Holy Spirit showed me. If it was a blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah why would it be a blessing that the Jewish people rejected our own Messiah? Because as a result of the rejection and the violation of Moses and the Torah we were scattered to the four corners of the earth, and wherever Jewish people came and were welcomed that country was blessed. It was as if we Jewish people carried the Tabernacle of David with us to the four corners of the earth. And wherever we went when we were honored we got blessings and science, and architecture and medicine and every in economics, in every arena.

So Paul puts it this way “If it was a blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah it was for the world.” In rejection it was a blessing, if it was a blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah, it will literally cause life from the dead. If in rejection we bless the world what will acceptance bring what Elijah said “If the hearts of the fathers the Jewish people are restored to the hearts of the children, the Christians, there will be a great blessing on earth.” Can you see what’s at stake here?

Now something that is very confusing to many Christians is the Biblical festivals. Many Christians say “Well we’re finished we now have Christian festivals we don’t need Jewish festivals. Well let me set the record straight:

1. These are not just Jewish festivals these are Biblical festivals.
2. These are not just Jewish festivals and Biblical festivals God says in Leviticus 23^rd chapter these are My feasts.

The word feasts in the Hebrew means appointments. These are…God is saying, now listen to this. If you had a doctor’s appointment tomorrow well #1 because you’re being healed tonight. But let’s just suppose, let’s just suppose you had a doctor’s appointment tomorrow and you had a dread disease, just suppose. Is there anything in the world that would stop you from going to that doctor? How much more an appointment with God that He calls His appointments. I like the idea of going somewhere where God promises to show up.

He goes on in Leviticus 23 to say “Not only is this my appointment with you. Anyone interested in an appointment with God? Do you have a few questions “Oh,” and the others are candidates for salvation. Oh are you sleeping, oh no. (Laughing) He says “These are not only my appointments” in Leviticus 23 but “these are holy convocations.” Do you know what convocations mean in the Hebrew? It means rehearsal. These appointments with God are rehearsals. Have you ever gone to a rehearsal in a play? How would you like to go see the rehearsal of judgment day? How would you like to see the rehearsal of the millennium, the actual rehearsal? I have got in this book the play and you see when we rejected God’s appointments (and here’s why we rejected it.) We rejected it because of religions spirit. There were some people who said “I believe that if you don’t observe the Sabbath on Friday night and Saturday; if you don’t observe Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur you’re going to hell.” That called a religious spirit. And then there are others that say “Oh you’re under the law, you are a Judaizer, I would much rather observe pagan festivals about Jesus than God’s festivals about Jesus! You’ve got a religious spirit and the 2 religious spirits just kept bumping heads. And after awhile it hurt so much they just went their separate ways.

Then you throw in the mix that Mike Brown spoke about last night of the horrible anti-Semitism by people who call themselves Christians. But God is in the process of restoring all things. You see where the Spirit is Lord is there is liberty. It’s not just you have to get in on a rehearsal with an appointment with God you should want to get into a rehearsal with an appointment with God! Do you follow the mentality the difference?

I mean I already told you tonight at the beginning that the Sabbath is Saturday. But I want you to know something that if you worship God on Sunday He’s pleased. And on Monday He’s pleased, and on Tuesday and on Wednesday, He just wants you to worship Him. But what about worshipping a festive with God and a festival that He says “I promise you I’ll show up these are my appointments with you.” Doesn’t that make sense? I mean isn’t this I don’t know it doesn’t make sense that some people think that it doesn’t make sense. You know it just doesn’t make sense that they don’t understand. It’s so clear you need help to be confused. For instance, Rosh Hashanah, Feast of Trumpets. You know what happens on Rosh Hashanah? You know what that’s a rehearsal for? The Day of Judgment, the Day of Atonement. Do you want to get in on that rehearsal? I want to get in on that rehearsal because we’ve got 10 days from Rosh Hashanah Feast of Trumpets to Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement to repent and get right with God. Well a friend of mine that is a prophet said “God showed him that we as a world are in Rosh Hashanah right now.” We are in the 10 Days of Awe and repentance. This is the time to seek the Lord. This is the time to get rid of the toys of this world. This is the time to get rid of your unholy actions such as huh! You think it’s okay to watch pornography on television. How would you like Jesus to be in the next chair with you while you’re watching pornography on television or on the internet. You think it’s okay to be addicted to drugs.

Listen Yom Kippur is coming sooner than you think cold be tonight. Your day of atonement could be tonight, Yom Kippur is Judgment Day! Those it says in Daniel “Those that are written in the Book of Life will live and have everlasting life and those that are not written in the Book of Life will have everlasting condemnation. You realize what that means that means you cannot reverse what occurs. But as of this second if you have breath in your being you can reverse your destiny; you can have your name in the book of life and please don’t say a prayer “Repent of your sins and feel good about yourself and go back to your same garbage.” Don’t bother with the prayer, but here’s where we made a mistake in the past; we haven’t understood the Hebrew way to repent.

Repentance is not turning from your sin and turning back and turning from your sin and running to the altar and repenting. It’s not this Mexican dance that I’m doing right now that’s what the church thinks it is that’s not repentance that’s religion at its stinkiest, the kind that Jesus said “I’ll vomit out of My mouth.” The kind that stops provoking anyone to jealousy, and we’re to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy, but you’re not provoking anyone with your little dance. Where’s a drummer when I need him, no I’m just teasing (Laughing). This is what Biblical repentance is Biblical repentance is an active of your will you say “God Almighty God Holy God against You and You alone have I sinned and I’m so sorry, please forgive me because of blood of Yeshua, the blood of Jesus.” I turn and I have the ability to turn I’ve been turning back and forth all night of course I have the ability to turn. “I turn from my sins.” But here’s where you made the mistake you’ve turned to yourself to be free, your repentance means to turn from your sin and turn to a Holy God who will give you the power.

Sid: That was an excerpt from my speaking at the Days of Elijah Celebration. Tomorrow you’ll hear an excerpt from Dr. Michael Brown. I wish you could have been there there was such an outpouring of God’ Spirit for healing someone was just healed right now of a neck problem.