Sid: I’ve got on the telephone Margy Palm I’m speaking to her at her home in San Antonio, Texas. On December 11, 1981 she was abducted by a man that had brutally raped and murdered 30 other woman and one just a few hours before her profile. But she had the right profile but she had been praying and God had actually directed her into this circumstance. And as she began to hear from God she literally told him “There will be a roadblock in Austin, Texas you should go to Curville.” And he gets a hold of a newspaper and sure enough it says “There’s a roadblock there.” So he knew that Margy was hearing from God she called her husband and then fear rally hit her because she got out of the Spirit for a moment. But then she got right back into the Spirit and what happened next Margy?
Margy: Well by this time it was you know 7:00 in the evening and we were on our way driving to Curville and he started telling me about this son he hadn’t talked about his son all day long and he hadn’t told me either that he had been married. He said “I’d been married once in Las Vegas and I have this son and I just hate to see my son grow up in such an evil world and he just went on and on and on about how he hated the world, hated his son to grow up in this world.” And I said “Well I want to ask you a question that I want you to answer “If your son had committed the kind of crimes you’ve committed and I don’t know what they are and I mean exactly the same crimes that you’ve committed do you think that you’d forgive him?” “And I also want to know if you would be willing to let’s just say that there’s a hell would you be willing to go to hell and die for your son if God told you that if you did that you’d be able to pay for all of his sins and he’d go free would you be willing to die in his place and go to hell?” And he said “Those are really hard questions.” And I said “Well I want you to answer them.” So he thought about it for a few minutes and then he said “You know what I would die for my son and I would forgive him.” And I said “Well do you realize that’s exactly what Jesus did for you?” But he said “Do you know what you’ve been preaching to me all day and I finally understand what you’re trying to tell me.” And I said “You’ve been telling me all day how much hatred you have in your heart and yet you have enough mercy you do have mercy in your heart that you’d be willing to that for your son I mean that’s extremely compassionate to be able to do something like that.” So any way I mean I really didn’t say anything else for maybe for 15 minutes we drove on in silence and all of a sudden he pulled my car over to the side of the road. And before he pulled it to the side of the road he started looking all around in my car and I didn’t know what he was looking for but he was looking around and then he pulled my car over to the side of the road with the engine still running and just stopped. And I didn’t say anything I was just looking at him and he looked straight up in the air up above him and he put his hands up in the air and he said “Jesus I’m sorry for everything I’ve done please forgive me I want to go to heaven.” And I just you know I had not ever all day told him “Now listen if you want to get saved you have to say this kind of a prayer.” I never said that to him but what had happened was and he told me about it later he said remember when I was looking around the car?” And I said “Yeah.” He said I heard the loudest voice, I heard an audible voice and you know it was man’s voice it was a male voice and it said “This is the last time I’m going to call you Stephen.” And he said “When I heard that voice I reflected back to the whole day and the peace in the car and just everything that had happened all day long and I realized that there is really a Jesus that’s real oh my gosh. And he pulled that’s when he the car over and his hands just flew up in the air. I mean he heard the Lord’s voice I did not hear it but that’s what made him pull the car over. And then all of the sudden I mean I was just sitting there watching this and he started crying and he started saying “It’s gone, it’s gone.” And I said “What’s gone.” He said “He said “All of that hatred it’s something is happening to me and something just came in me and took my hate out I don’t have any more hate and I don’t deserve this and I’m an awful person I don’t deserve this I don’t know why this is happening to me.” And he was just sobbing and I by that time I was crying because I knew that he was born again and that he was and he was having this amazing experience with the Lord. So I said…he said “What’s happening to me, what’s happening to me I don’t deserve this and I feel like I’m clean I feel like every all of the hatred’s been taking out.” And I said “Well you’ve just gotten born again.” And he said “What is that I’ve heard that my whole life I thought it was a joke what is that?” I said “Well the first time your born you’ve been telling me that your father hated you you know even though you were…have his seed in you even if hated you you’ve got his seed in you you’re his son. But when you give your life to Jesus just like you did His seed comes in you and you become a child of God. You’re his child and you now have His blood has washed you clean and you’ve got His holy DNA in you as crazy as it sounds that is exactly what happened that’s why you feel clean because your heavenly Father has cleaned you and washed all of your sins away and totally redeemed you from your sins. And He’s take…He’s took the penalty of your sins on Himself so that you could go free. And he just he just cried and cried and cried. And by that time I was crying and all of a sudden I was realizing that you know we were starting to become friends now and you know we kept driving on and he stopped again at a rest stop he took his gun and he put it on my lap and he went and he said “I’ll be right back.” He went into the men’s restroom and here I was with this huge gun and I never even thought to get in the driver’s seat and drive home and it never even crossed my mind I was so stunned by the whole thing. He comes back out from the rest-stop gets in the car and he says I’m never going to do this again I know the rest of my life I’m going to be talking about Jesus this is real lady you are not joking this is really real.
Sid: So to speed it up you left him off at the bus stop you go home what was your husband’s reaction when you got home?
Margy: Well my husband by that time had talked to the police he called the police because he’d seen the 10;00 news with this man on the news and he reflected back to the phone call that he had with me. And then they asked him what I looked like and they said “She looks like all of the people he’s raped and murdered.” So he was standing out in front of the house waiting for the police when I drove up and when he saw me he was terrified and he said “I thought that you were with this rapist all day and look at you you look like your just fine.” And I said “I have been with that guy all day and I had beer cans all over my car and the other thing was he gave me all of the bullets to his gun he put them in my purse I did not have his gun but I had all of the bullets in my purse. And the police were at my house by that time and it was pretty amazing I mean I.
Sid: Now when he gave himself up what did he say to the official that arrested him?
Margy: He said “I met this lady…well today if I had seen you there would have been a shootout and I would killed you he’s telling this to a plain clothes policewoman who came up to him. He said “I know that you’re a plainclothes policeman and I would have killed you and killed myself but today I met this lady and she changed my life and I’m not the same man.”
Sid: When he went to prison you told him you he had an impact on the prison itself especially the warden.
Margy: Yeah I was with him the day before he got executed by lethal injection and I was…the warden came up to me the warden was crying he said “I’ve been a Catholic my whole life I didn’t really know that all of this was true. And Steven has brought me to the Lord and I’m a totally different man and he’s helped a lot of people back here and I’m very very sorry he’s going to die. And the warden started crying and it was a pretty amazing moment that was the day before he died. And the night I know Kenneth Copeland was very involved with is life after this and visited him all the time in prison and as a result a big prison ministry started as a result of Steven.
Sid: And so the next time you pray “Lord I’ll do anything you want me to do today” that’s what started all of this. Have you prayed that again?
Margy: I have.
Sid: (Laughing.) Margy Palm thank you so much for being my guest.