Our Guest Peter Gammons

Sid: My guest spoke in Pakistan his audience 99% Muslim over 100,000 received the Lord.  Unbelievable the times were living in but in scripture it says “The Jew requires a sign.” But Peter I have an idea that Muslim’s require a sign also. My guest Peter Gammons Pastor of Cathedral of Faith in Orlando, Florida.  I would imagine that Muslims require signs also.

Peter: I think that this is a very important message for the Church of Jesus Christ in America and across the world.  Because we have a form of Christianity Paul says “When I came to you I came not with word only but in demonstration of the Spirit and Power that your faith should not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” Most preachers would have to say we came not in demonstration and power but in word only. And even meant to the Christian TV and radio I see they talk about miracles but we don’t see it.

Sid: Well let me ask you a question because it’s really just you and I and just a few of our Mishpochah eaves dropping. Let’s take one of the greatest evangelists the world has ever known Billy Graham.

Peter: Hm.

Sid: And he is not known for signs and wonders but there certainly is a presence of God for souls to come into the Kingdom.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: I’m sure there’s a great deal of prayer, but as I read the New Testament the definition of an evangelist is signs and wonders follow, so what’s going on there?

Peter: Let me make a comment about that I think first of all Billy Graham is in my opinion one of the most incredible men that have ever lived I’m full of admiration for him I try to copy his lifestyle with the integrity that he has a preacher and I absolutely love the man.  But what we need to understand is that 90% in my opinion 90 percent of evangelism in America or in much of the world is reaching semi-religious people. In other words, they were raised in a Christian home, they had a Christian background they knew the basis’s of the gospel they backslid. You look at Dr. Graham’s crusades and most of the people that come there have some knowledge of Christianity or the faith and they’re coming back to Christ or their parents were saved but they never got saved but they knew that they should have got saved.  And it’s reaching semi-religious people. Now we need to understand the unreached world is one of two things either heathen, you know they’re sitting there with a beer in their hand every night they have no knowledge of Christianity and they’re totally unreached by evangelicalism as it is at the moment they need miracles to shake them into realize that there is a Jesus. And the other percent that are unsaved are the religious people of the world today. We’ve got Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims, Tribal people they will never be reached just by preaching “Come and give your life to Jesus.” The evangelists have tried for years and it never works.

Sid: Could you picture reaching large numbers of Jewish people without miracles it would be impossible.

Peter: Yeah the religious people of the world they need signs and wonders to convince them that Jesus is the one that they should be following.

Sid:  And yet I had lunch the other day with a medical doctor who is a Christian and he made the statement to me “I have never in all of my years I’ve heard a lot of talk I’ve heard people say they have miracles but I have never seen a verified miracle.”

Peter: That’s tragic isn’t it?

Sid: It really is I sent him a video right away but…

Peter: Let me just say I believe that is one of the reason’s God called us to move our ministry to the United States of America. I was shocked when I came here how much talk about miracles there are and how many we see. My own TV programs are packed with deaf and dumb and blind and people paralyzed healed and things like this. Because I’ve spent nearly 30 years out on the mission field reaching Muslims tribal people, Hindus, Buddhists with incredible miracles.

Sid: Now do you have similar results in America that you have in these other countries?

Peter: I haven’t done crusades across America at the time that we’re doing this interview. I believe that’s one of the reason’s God sent us here and I’m 100% convinced will see the same type of miracles. God gave me a sign early in the ministry. I said “I want a miracle a verifiable miracle that cannot be denied to take place something that will convince the skeptics.”  And God gave me the healing of deaf and dumb the healing of the deaf mute. And what I do in our crusades on the second night of the crusades the first night I’ll tell people bring them tomorrow night and if you’ve never seen instant miracle then come.  And then on the second night of our crusades I always line up the deaf and dumb sometimes we have 50, 60 people many of them deaf from birth. Some of them one man a little while back he worked as a mechanic and molten metal burned his whole ear out. And when I put my finger in your ear I said “You don’t need your hearing restored you need a whole new eardrum you need everything created.” And this is a whole different subject and I’ll try not to get sidetracked on that, sometimes I pray for God to turn up the volume, sometimes it needs a creative miracle.  And this man needed a creative miracle he just had a hole in the side of his head and my finger disappeared inside of his head that’s another one that I could get sidetracked on but I’ll try not to. Jesus put His fingers in their ears and commanded them to come opened. And I don’t know any other preacher that does that but I found that when I put my fingers in their ear and command their ears to be opened that their ears just popped open.

Sid: But what about people like you’re describing that’s just a hole that there is no ear, that there is no eardrum. Have you actually seen an ear recreated?

Peter: Many times! What happened as I had my finger in his ear I said “Lord would you recreate this ear you’re the creator. And I felt…it felt like worms crawling around in his head I never felt anything so disgusting in my life.  Suddenly I felt like movement taking place inside of his head until my finger was pushed out of his head and when I put it back again it was blocked God had recreated a whole ear inside of his head and he could hear.

Sid:  Now I know what affect this would have on the audience that was watching this but what affect did that miracle have on you?

Peter: I’m just used to it to be honest with you I’m more…

Sid: You remind me of Kathryn Kuhlman. Kathryn Kuhlman doctors used to go up to her and used to say “All of these people are being healed of arthritis but that’s just standard in my ministry.” And the doctors would say “But don’t you realize there’s no cure for arthritis?”

Peter: Yeah I expect it to happen and my wife will verify because she’s in our crusades 98% of the people that have been deaf and dumb in our crusades and there are other miracles as well that were healed but that particular sign are instantly healed.

Sid: Is it usually a demon that causes the blockage of hearing or could it be other things?

Peter: Sometimes it is again, again its God turning up the volume because as people get older sometimes it is not as fine tuned as it was before.  Sometimes it’s a creative miracle that’s needed, sometimes things have been damaged or broken or lost or whatever. Sometime it’s a spirit of infirmity. Many times when Jesus commanded the blind eyes to be open and deaf to hear and dumb to speak he rebuked spirits of infirmity. We need to realize that there are literally demons of infirmity, demons whose whole job in life is to cause pain.  And again I don’t want to get sidetracked on this one but it’s worth throwing this in the whole realm of the occult some people say “Well you know there have been healings and things.” What you need to understand is that the devil causes pain he can’t heal God alone is the healer.  The devil can take the pain off you if I squeezed your arm it would hurt and then if I released it I haven’t healed you but I’ve stopped putting the pressure on.

Sid: Peter on yesterday’s broadcast we have you baptized in the Holy Spirit wanting to pray in unknown tongues but not knowing exactly what to do.  You told me when we went off the air a few words came out but what happened?

Peter: Well as I said the preacher said “Have you ever spoke in tongues?” I said “I’ve never heard of it before.  And later on I read through my Bible and got a hold of 1^st Corinthians 12 and 1 Corinthians 40 and not a single verse underlined and the rest of the Bible was fully underlined. And that’s how a lot of Christians are they don’t understand the Holy Spirit. And so I went home and I tried to speak in tongues and I thought the Lord was going to come and take over and I was just going to suddenly get this whole language. But the Bible says “They spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.” The Holy Spirit gave the utterance but they had to do the speaking if you don’t move your tongue and open your lips you’re not going to speak in tongues. And so I went along to a service and there was this other preacher and I said “Would you pray for me to receive the gift of tongues?” And he said “Have you ever spoken in tongues?” And I said I said “Well I don’t know.” And he said “Say whatever you said and he said “That’s a beautiful language.” And I said, “Is it?” And I had no problem after that but people say “Well what if I make a mistake?” Well how are you going to know if you make a mistake you know they haven’t printed a dictionary of tongues the only way you’re going to know is by trusting God. And God gave me this key that has helped 1000’s of people to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and that is this “Instead of trusting your ability to make mistakes trust God’s ability to make sure that you don’t make a mistake.”  Because He’s the only one that’s going to understand it anyway that’s why the devil hates tongues, that’s why he opposes them in the Evangelical church because he can’t understand it he can’t intervene. Sometimes when people in tongues it’s a private communication with God and the devil hates that and that’s why he oppose it.  When I pray in English my prayers are tainted by my own views and sometimes they’re my fleshing desire. When I pray in tongues it’s the Holy Spirit praying through me so it’s perfect prayer so that’s the thing.  Some people say “Well do I have to pray in tongues?” When someone says to me “Do I have to speak in tongues?” I know they don’t understand it because if they did understand it they’d say “Please can I speak in tongues?”

Sid:  Peter now you’re baptized in the Holy Spirit but you had another power encounter when an elderly man that had been under the ministry of perhaps a woman that had the greatest healing ministry in modern times Katherine Kuhlman came up to you and what happened?

Peter: Yeah what happened was I went along to this service I was just a very young man and I was in jeans and a tee-shirt I didn’t look like preacher potential.  And when I arrived at the service this woman said to me “Peter.”  I said “Do I know you?” She said “No you don’t know me God sent me here I live a long way away I got a taxi to bring me here because I don’t have a car and she said “He sent me here to give you a message and the message is this you’ll take My healing message out to the world.”  And I said “Do I know you?” And she said No the Lord said he would show me who Peter was and now I’ve seen you and I know your Peter.” And I said “Yes I am.” And she said “You’ll take my healing message, My healing power to the world.” And she got into a taxi and she drove off and I thought “Strange woman.” I went into the service and they were singing “To God be the glory great things He has done.” I sat down in the middle of the crowd and the preacher walked and without saying or doing anything and halfway through this hymn he suddenly said “You boy come here.”  And I was terrified I thought I must have done something wrong and God was going to tell everybody. And so I went forward as he laid hands on me he said “You will take my healing message and my healing power to the world and prophesied the same words that this woman had said as I entered the building.  I fell under the power of the Spirit 5 times and kept trying to get up and gone down again. And what I didn’t know was he’d received the anointing from his friend Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died and he believed that he was going to be with the Lord and the Lord had told him that night to pass that anointing on.

Sid: Hmm. Peter we’re out of time.