Our Guest Tom Horn and Cris Putnam

Sid: I have the coauthor of the bestselling book “Petrus Romanus, the Final Pope is Here.”  And I’m so excited about the brand new book it’s called “Exo-Vaticana” and this book talks about things I have never heard discussed that as far as I’m concerned ties all end-times events together in arena that we’ll be hearing more and more about. Now tell me Cris about project Lucifer.

Cris: Well, where the name Lucifer comes from in the association with the observatory complex on Mt. Gram.

Sid: Now where’s Mt. Gram?

Cris: Okay, in Arizona, this is where the Vatican advanced technology telescope is.  It’s outside of Tucson.  This came from a project by the University of Arizona where they have a conglomerate of Vatican various United States Universities like Notre Dame and the University of Arizona.  And then we have a whole cadre of Germans the Max Planck Institute the institute in Heidelberg.  So these people have all come together to build this observatory complex.  Now the first telescope to appear up on Mt. Gram was the Vatican Advanced Technology telescope. Now the Lucifer device is actually an infrared camera that’s attached to the large binocular telescope which is just a few hundred yards from the Vatican’s facility.  Now this is the most powerful telescope in the world.  I mean they actually say that it gets clearer images than the Hubble Space telescope.  That’s because the University of Arizona pioneered a new mirror technology and the size of the mirror is really the function of the power in telescopes.  Now the Lucifer device like I said is an infrared camera and it’s really useful in looking for exo-planets; planets with earth-like conditions where they think that they might find extraterrestrial life. Now why did they name it Lucifer is beyond me, it really looks like they went to extravagant lengths to kind of force it to be you know the diabolical name of Lucifer.  I mean it’s an acronym it stands for “Large Binocular Telescope Near Infrared Spectroscopic Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extra Galactic Research.”  Now that’s quite a stretch. You know there was a reporter that called them and first they denied that it was associated with the devil.  I mean the name Lucifer is drawn from Isaiah 14 where that famous passages where it seems to talk about the fall of the arch angel who tries to exalt himself above God.  Now you know the German’s they first say “Well, that’s really about the king of Babylon it’s not really about the devil so were not naming that after the devil.”  Then they contradicted themselves in a very next sentence they said that “There’s a German politician whose name is Teufel and that’s actually the German word for devil and he was instrumental in getting the funding for them to build this thing so they wanted to honor him by naming it after his last name which is the German word for devil.

Sid: Now why should we be concerned about this project?

Cris:  You know it begs the question “What is the Vatican doing with an observatory that’s looking for exo-planets, why is the Vatican involved in astrobiology?  They had an astrobiology conference in Rome in 2009 and invited the top secular scientists in the world.  We’re talking about atheists, and you know evolutionists and evolutionists who really believe that life is just an accident that happens by chance.  And because there’s so many other planets out in the universe it’s just the law of averages mean it’ll happen somewhere else as well.  And the Vatican is intimately wrapped up in this.

Sid: Okay so if they believe that life happened by chance then that discounts the validity of the creation story from the Bible.

Cris:  Yes it absolutely does and you know I take them to task in the book of “Exo-Vaticana” especially these Jesuit scientists. You know Sid I don’t see any difference in the sort of things that they are saying you know when it comes to Darwinism and these issues of the origin of life and the sorts of things that someone like Richard Dawkins the famous atheist says. They really have adopted this idea that life just evolved you know from pond scum and you know the fact that the earth is not a very special place means that they can just sort of extrapolate that to happen over and over again and out of the universe. So extraterrestrials are really just an unavoidable part of their world view.

Sid: Now paint me a little picture based on your research because this sounds so ominous about the Catholic Church may actually get into extraterrestrial evangelism?

Cris:  Yeah you know it’s so odd that you would think that you know that it was almost a joke but they’re absolutely serious.  You know one of the things that I would challenge your listeners to do is to just go to your computer and type “extraterrestrial and baptize” into a search engine and hit search and see what pops up.  And what you’re going to discover is thousands of hits of articles mainly interviewing these Vatican astronomers, these Jesuits, who have made all sorts of comments about baptizing extraterrestrials into the Catholic Church.  Now all of that started back in 1992, just about a month before the Vatican advanced technology telescope went into operation on top of Mt. Gram. The leader of the Vatican Observatory Research Group the acronym is VORG.  George Cornye actually gave a bunch of interviews to the press.  At that time he absolutely said that “The Vatican was teaming up with NASA to search for extraterrestrials and then baptizing them into the Catholic Church.”  Now he made these statements and they were reported in mainstream newspapers and articles online and they weren’t – it doesn’t seem tongue in cheek at all, in fact it seems very serious.

Sid: Well, where is this leading?

Cris:  Well Sid you know we don’t believe that what is going on has anything to do with actual extraterrestrials; we don’t think that entities that people are coming in contact with are space aliens. We really believe that this is leading to what the Bible says is the strong delusion; we think that these are evil supernatural entities fallen angels that are deceiving the world.  I think that you know that the worldview that’s associated with evolutionist and Darwinism and its idea that life is nothing special is you know intentionally designed to under mind the Biblical worldview. It’s intimately designed to undermine the gospel and I think that what’s going on is that strong delusion that we see predicted in Biblical prophecy.

Sid: Now let’s go back to what the Bible talks about these Nephilim because that’s what you’re talking about; tell me about that.

Cris:  Well in Genesis 6 it does talk about these entities known as the Nephilim. Now it’s my belief that that term Nephilim is based on an Aramaic word that means giants.  That interpretation is kind of borne out by the Greek translation of the Old Testament that the Septuagint it actually uses the term ugantes. So when you look in you know Numbers chapter 13 it talks about that the Israelites thought that they were grasshoppers in the sight of these huge beings. So it really does seem that these fallen angels are able to manifest bodies and to procreate with human women to create a hybrid offspring that is quite a bit larger than a normal human being.  And that really does seem to be the meaning of the text.

Sid: What Biblical evidence is there that the Nephilim will reemerge in the last days?

Cris: I think the principal starting point is Jesus’ inference that “As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.” You know when we think of the days of Noah that’s Genesis Chapter 6 and you know that’s where this passage about the Nephilim is found.  So I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to associate the days of Noah with these hybrid offspring with the evidence we see coming from the UFO abduction phenomenon it does seem that the same sort of thing is going on today.

Sid: Speak a little bit about your chapter on the return of hybrid humans; what does that mean?

Cris: Well, the Nephilim are described as hybrids between angelic or these sons of god, elohim, which are spiritual beings who also seem to manifest bodies.  So the Nephilim are hybrids. Then you know the sort of literature that scholars in the UFO community like David Jacobs who is a PhD historian at Temple University wrote a book called “The Threat.”  Where he absolutely believes that these alien entities are collecting human being a for the purpose of a hybrid program to integrate themselves into our world.

Sid: You know it’s kind of interesting that Hollywood has a lot of movies about these things and TV that seems to be very popular now.

Cris: Yeah absolutely you know I wrote about what I call “The UFO Mytho’s” meaning that there is a mythology that associated with aliens and UFO’s that’s really predominate in the culture a lot of people…

Sid: Woops I’m sorry we’re out of time.