Sid: My guests are red hot for the Messiah, Ron and Glenda Pettey. Ron died on the operating table and had an experience of going to heaven and he wrote a book. And I can tell you I know that this is all true because of some tremendous documentation he has in this book, but I feel the atmosphere of heaven when I read the book, “Heaven is Real.” Ron, and I have to explain to everyone that’s listening perhaps for the first time, Ron many times get’s so emotional about his experience that he can’t even capture the right words to say about it. His wife Glenda has heard the story so many times she’ll jump in. Ron was sharing on yesterday’s broadcast, he had died on the operating table, he was having brain surgery. He found himself in heaven and he made eye contact with someone that was entering heaven. Tell me about the eye contact and then tell me what happened to this person.
Glenda: Okay, well as a young man was along these many many people he was looking over at Ron and smiling as if to say I made it and you didn’t, I’m going in and it was just that happy smile kind of cocky smile and then he approached the Lord, the Lord embraced him and he disappeared.
Ron: At this point I can remember that walking up the Lord, I mean, you can imagine this, me walking up to the Lord, and walking around the Lord like what happened to that young man? And what the Lord told me was, “Remember this,” two words. And from that point on I cannot erase this memory from my head because it’s a miracle that the Lord Himself spoke into my head.
Glenda: Ron would not realize, had no way of knowing that he would be coming back to this earth with a severely impaired memory. It was years later we had the revelation that when Jesus said, “Remember this” He was really speaking the memory.
Sid: And you know what’s so amazing to me Glenda is that although he had that impaired memory, actually amnesia he remembered everything that happened in heaven that was the only thing he remembered. Okay so how many years later were you at that prayer meeting?
Glenda: Eleven years later, we were in a prayer meeting in Lufkin, Texas and we were studying Henry Blackaby book “Experiencing God.” And there were people coming an hour away to bring the video, to help with the discussion and at one point one of the ministers said that we need to pray for this young man who is having kidney failure and we prayed for this young man and Scotty Henagen from week to week, and then one of the weeks they came back they said well, in a very oddly happy way he said, “We don’t need to pray for Scotty anymore he has died and we had his funeral this week, but you should see his radiant mother she’s radiant. We want to bring her to the meeting as soon as we can.” And all of our group thought that this is a little odd that he’s so happy about this funeral. Well, three weeks later Carolyn Henagen came to our meeting and after the Bible study Ron went over and just asked Carol if she might have a picture of Scotty.
Ron: And she pulled out of her purse an 8 x 10 framed picture of Scotty, and I fell on my knees because that was the young man I saw in heaven eleven years earlier.
Glenda: One of our college classrooms that we have spoken in the college kids came up with theories. One theory is at that earthly time when Ron saw him in 1982 maybe that was the moment that he received the Lord as Savior.
Sid: Well, speaking of eyes, God did something with your eyes when you came back to life, tell me about that.
Glenda: Well, Ron was in a teaching hospital and during the recovering process there would be periods of time there would be so much pressure in the center of his brain that that pressed upon his optic nerve and there would be periods of time where he would have no visions and then the vision would return and it was an off and on thing. And so at one point there was a whole team of doctors including students that came in the eye group, medical eye group, that came with a big E chart and just asked him can you see the big “E.”
Ron: See which way, tell me which way it’s pointed, they didn’t ask me to read anything they’d just show me the big “E” and say which way is it pointed.
Glenda: Well Ron has a very jovial sense of humor and at that moment he was seeing very clearly the pressure was not there and he was seeing and so in his own joking way he looked beyond the big E chart way out into the hallway where there was a medical supply cart.
Ron: That a nurse was pushing with her going down the hall. I read them the copyright number to the medical cart.
Sid: How could you do that? That doesn’t sound possible to me?
Ron: It doesn’t but I had purified eyes.
Sid: What did the doctors say?
Ron: One of the doctors asked me what I was reading, he went back into the hallway when I told him what I was reading and checked in, and came back in and threw his little clipboard on the bed and said, “We don’t need to test this man’s eyes.”
Glenda: They just left.
Ron: I mean the doctors themselves were just beyond explanation.
Sid: Well, you know Ron something that I see is you talk a lot about the love you experienced when you looked into the eyes of Jesus as if this was your attention was His eyes. When you came back you could supernaturally see things that no human’s should have been able to see that distant away. But I understand a gift of the spirit operates with you where you literally at times when you pray for people you X-ray vision, explain that.
Ron: Well, the Lord has given me the gift of healing and with that gift given me the gift of seeing what I’m praying for, not the general, that’s like heal this body. He pinpoints it like an artery outline, or cancer, or whatever.
Sid: Give me an actual example of someone that you and they don’t tell you, you can see it and give me an example of one.
Glenda: There’s so many hundreds of examples many times Ron will just see a tiny BB, what we could describe as just tiny little blood clots in their blood steam and so we have to ask the Lord how to pray for these if these little clots should be dissolved because their blood is flowing too slowly. And so often we’ll pray for their heart, their heart muscle to be able to pump better and then the Lord will just show Ron they’ll have much increased circulation after we pray.
Sid: So he has the X-ray vision to see what’s wrong, and then he prays and then he sees whether the person was healed or not, is that what you’re saying?
Ron: That’s exactly what I’m saying.
Glenda: Most often the person can feel it whatever it is, they have felt, well in the case of a circulation problem their hands would become warm, their feet would become warm. Those extremities that were cold to start with.
Sid: Tell me about the girl where you saw, because sometimes it’s emotional issues involved where you saw two hearts, and then they melted, or melted together.
Glenda: Well, that was not long ago in a town where were ministering a church and this was an emotional issue, this was, Ron saw it very physically saw two hearts. And then we have to ask the Lord what are we seeing. And so this was, I would say more of a vision that you’re seeing these. What this turned out to be was this young lady was oh about thirty years old, and her mother was very controlling with her life. So these two hearts turned out to be the mother’s heart and the daughter’s heart and really it was not a good thing, it was a negative thing. It’s what we would call a soul tie, there was a control issue here. And then as soon as we were able to ask the Lord and he revealed that to us the girl confirmed that, she admitted that, and she was allowing us to pray for her to love her mother in a godly way to have a godly relationship, but not an ungodly controlling way.
Sid: And again going back to the eyes, Ron you have the gift of discernment, you can see angels, you can see demons, tell me about that gift. You’re provoking me to jealousy I have to tell you.
Ron: Don’t be jealous because it’s something evidently the Lord knew that I could handle, I don’t know why, how, or anything like that but I can…well just the other day I could walk into a room that was totally crowded, I was wondering how people were moving about because there was so many people. And it turned out that there weren’t that many people, Glenda had to explain to me that there wasn’t that many people in the room I was just seeing angels.
Glenda: Very frequently Ron will see twice as many people in the room as what are physically there because he’s simply seeing everyone’s guardian angel.
Ron: Guardian angels are just there, there just other people.
Sid: Now out of curiosity do guardian angels usually look like the people they do, yes they do.
Glenda: They resemble the people they’re guarding, when he first began to notice this he noticed that a young child would have a very small guardian angel about the same size as that child. Then little by little that everyone’s guardian angel seems to resemble the person.
Ron: It was hard for me to get use to.