Sid Roth welcomes Don Dickerman

Sid:  Now many people are born again, but there’s areas of their life that they’re in prison and that’s why Jesus said, “I’ve come to set the captives free.  But too few people are knowledgeable enough or willing enough to set captives free.  My guest is knowledgeable enough, my guest is willing enough because he’s set over 25,000 people free mostly inmates in penitentiaries because he used to go to these prisons and he’d see people born again and they’d get out of prison but they would be like a revolving door they’d come right back because they hadn’t dealt with these oppressive areas in their life.  And that’s why he has a brand new book called “When Pig’s Move in.”  Why did you write this book Don Dickerman?

Don:  You know I had so many experiences Sid along the way that as I would share those with other people they would say, “Well, you need to put this in a book, you need to write this down; most people don’t know this, they have not had this type of experience and so on.”  And the Holy Spirit began to urge me to do that as well.  I’ve found that deliverance was really pretty simple after being involved in it that the principals were always the same.

Sid:  Why are so many people afraid of it then if it’s so simple and the results are so wonderful?

Don:  Well, you know that a good question too and I think it’s because of the fear factor that’s involved.

Sid:  And it’s the demons that make you fearful because they are fearful if you’re not fearful they are going to be history.

Don:  Yeah exactly.  And so there is a great warfare going on there, but you know I don’t necessarily consider me being in a war.  I don’t experience it as a war, I experience victory, but I think that if the demons could do what they tell people what they are going to do, the fears that they bring to us, we’d just all be dead you know, they’d just kill us all.  I had an experience once in a deliverance where the demon’s speak through the people you know, they’re not coming out of the walls saying words.  But this one particular demon spoke through this person said, “I’m going to kill you, and I responded with so you talking to me?”  And he said, “Yeah, I’m going to kill you, somebody is going to die today and it’s going to be you.”  Well, this was coming through the man’s voice, but I knew that it was the demon.  Well, it just stirred the Holy Spirit inside of me and I said, “First of all demon the power of death and life is in my tongue, it’s not in your tongue and do you know who I am?  “I’m a child of God, I’m washed in the blood I’m a heir of God and a joint heir with Jesus Christ.”  And I just began to say who I was in Christ, but I commanded that demon to apologize.

Sid:  You got chutzpah, that’s a Hebrew word it means nerve!  Ha-ha.

Don:  Well yeah, yeah and I said, “I command you to apologize for that and he did, the man’s voice changed to almost like a little boy and he said, “I’m sorry.”  Well, there were people in the room who almost fell out of their chairs laughing you know like who this is who they claim they are and they claim that they are going to do a lot of things and sometimes it’s the way we receive their threats is what empowers them.  But we are somebody in Christ; it excites me that a demon would bow in the name of Jesus every time!  They don’t really have a choice.

Sid:  Now what are some of the things that drive the demons nuts, tell me some of the things they don’t like.

Don:  Oh well, obviously the name of Jesus, the name of Jesus is the authority.  But you know what, what I’ve seen in other deliverance type ministries is that some people want to bypass the demon’s permission and do it all just in the authority of the name of Jesus.  But if a demon has legal consent he doesn’t have to bow, he doesn’t have to obey he basically says, “You know what I have a right to be here, but once that…We use four basic principals always apply.  And number 1. Is either a person does or does not have demons.  I mean that’s obvious but that’s number 1.  Number 2. is if they do have demons it must be that the demon has some kind of legal right, either through unforgiveness or bitterness or hatred or anger or ancestral sin or trauma.  Trauma is a big doorway, but they have to have consent.  Well there is no consent, this is the third principal, there is no consent, it cannot be canceled in the name of Jesus.  Once a person’s willing to confess and repent of a particular doorway then the name of Jesus is absolute authority every time.

Sid:  But, you know that’s what your book is all about, it’s telling the legal rights the demons have and the higher legal rights that a Christian has.

Don:  Yes.

Sid:  But if a Christian doesn’t know he has higher legal rights he’ll die from a lack of knowledge.

Don:  Exactly, and that’s why I always tell people that this is never a power encounter.  If it’s about power, God verses a little demon, I mean that’s not a power encounter, but it’s a truth encounter.  And as we believe the lies of the demon it empowers them.  But when we speak truth and walk in truth it’s a non issue.

Sid:  Now, I know that all sickness is not demonic, but a lot of sickness is demonic, are you seeing people set free of various sicknesses once they get delivered?

Don:  Yes, and we see it consistently.

Sid:  What are some of the things you’ve seen people set free of?

Don:  You know probably the most common and this may even be a sickness a lot of people doesn’t know about it, but it’s called restless legs syndrome.  We see that healed all the time.  We see fibromyalgia healed, arthritis, joint pain, we see colon problems healed, we’ve seen aids healed some cancers.  They’re not always healed, but we’ve see virtually everything that’s name healed.  We have a friend who’s actually part of our ministry who’s spent eighteen and a half years in prison and he’s been out since 1990.  But he called me one day and said, “The doctor told him that he had Hepatitis C and that he only had five years to live.  Now this had been five years ago, and I said, “Well you know Ronny I’ve seen that healed and demons are source of it.  Well you know he was like, “No, I did it I opened the door I put the needles in my arm, and so on.” Well, I said, “Of course you opened the door, but the demons are doing the damage.”  So I told him, I said “You know all you have to lose is a couple of demons.”  So he came, he had already been through deliverance, but that was before he found out that he had this and we sat down and went through deliverance addressed those specific things.  The doorways he had opened and five demon spirits took responsibility for Hepatitis C, they had names, they had assignments on the liver and so on.  But we cast them out, Ronnie’s been back to the doctor two or three time for blood tests and their report is Hepatitis C is undetectable.

Sid:  What are some of the roots that you find for a lot of these diseases?

Don:  Well, arthritis, joint pains virtually always bitterness.

Sid:  But most Christians know that they’re suppose to forgive, is it possible for someone to be in unforgiveness and not even realize it?

Don:  I think so, probably what I see sometimes in that area Sid is a person will carry unforgiveness for a period of time and then at a point repent and be forgiven of the sin of unforgiveness.  But the demons who came may have come through that unforgiveness don’t necessarily leave just because you’ve repented.

Sid:  Well, how do you get them to leave then?

Don:  Well, Jesus said “Cast them out.”

Sid:  So you’re saying to me that someone could forgive, but if they don’t cast the demon out the damage stays with them.

Don:  We see that happened a lot.

Sid:  There is so much wisdom that you’ve learned from being involved in 25,000 deliverances that you’ve put in this book of yours, I mean this should be mandatory reading for every Christian.

Don:  Well, you know what the demons obviously don’t want this truth revealed because it’s not hard and it’s not like Hollywood where, you know heads are spinning and green vomit and I don’t ever see that.  I see some trembling sometimes and some shaking, but we don’t see things like that.  But we do see people healed and we see them set free.

Sid:  So people think the Hollywood deliverances and they don’t recognize how literally once you get your legal rights how easy it is.

Don:  Yeah.

Sid Roth:  I mean, that’s…we were talking earlier before the radio interview and I mean you make it sound so easy.

Don:  Well, you know if it wasn’t I couldn’t do it you know and I wouldn’t want to do it.  I guess there’s a victory and there’s a joy and it’s a little bit like winning somebody to the Lord you know, that’s a great joy.