Sid Roth welcomes Mark Virkler

Sid:   My guest is red hot for the Messiah, Mark Virkler.  Mark was in ministry many many years until he found out that he had demons.  And Mark you weren’t demonized you were doing effective ministry.  When we hear about someone being demon possessed I think of someone in a mental institution, but most people aren’t demon possessed, they’re demon oppressed that these demons like legal hooks to them.  And until you get rid or dismantle these demons legal hooks they have a legal right to stay.

Mark:  That’s correct and you know the word possessed is an interesting word.  It shows up in the Kings James Bible, but it’s not actually in the Greek New Testament because the word in the Greek New Testament is demonian the literal translation is demonized and the literal meaning of the word demonized is under the influence of.  And that’s a totally different picture in our minds then than possessed by, because as Christians we would say you cannot be possessed by a demon spirit because you are possessed by the Holy Spirit.  Now I agree with that, but I’m going to drop the word possessed entirely out of my vocabulary if it’s not in the New Testament it doesn’t need to be in my vocabulary.  And I would rather use the word under the influence of and say I know a lot of Christians who are under the influence of something other than the Holy Spirit, because there mean and there prideful and they’re judgmental and that’s not the Holy Spirit, so they’re under the influence of a negative force which we would call, I would call a demon.

Sid:  And of course a number of people in the New Testament were healed when Jesus cast out demons of infirmity.

Mark:  Well, that was just a normal natural part of what He did, He healed all who were oppressed of the devil.  So for Him physical healing and demonic oppression were hand and hand and He did the two as a single package and we need to too.

Sid:  Well, I love these seven key areas and then these seven supernatural prayers to dismantle the legal rights or the anchors these demons have and once that occurs the demons have to leave and you can be free, I mean really free for the first time in your life.  Let’s take the first key; it’s an area we’ve heard teaching about, but I think very few Christians really understand it and it has to do with breaking generational curses.

Mark:  Exactly, you know the Bible says that the sins of the parents are passed on down to the children to the third and fourth generation.  So that means a lot of the messes inside of me if I’m battling with anger, that may not have originated with me it may have come through my parents or grandparents.  And to remove that force that’s steaming down to the family line we need to place the cross of Jesus there and command the curses that are flowing to the family line to halt at the cross of Jesus and to fall to the ground.  Powerless at the foot of the cross and then release that child in the womb which is me from those curses so I can be set free and not have my parents anger to cope with and now I only have my own anger to cope with which I can deal with through repentance. 

Sid:  And a lot of people don’t realize it, but it says that these curses pass on to four or more generations.

Mark:  Well exactly, some curses go more like you say, I mean the blessing of obedience goes to a hundred generations which is very very nice and other curses go a different number of generations.

Sid:  Well, give me an example of someone where you broke these curses and what happened to them.

Mark:  Well, I’ve got a student’s testimony here and her name is Kelly and she was listening to these CDs and working her way through it and here I’m just going to read what she said.  She said, “I started having stomach problems whenever I drank anything with a certain ingredient in it.  This hadn’t always been the case and I had no idea what had triggered this new sensitivity; it went on about two years and I was going through the prayers that healed the heart CDs and there was a CD on generational sins and curses and I knew that there was adultery a few generations back in my family.  So I prayed and I broke those generational sins and a few days later I was out with my friends,  I ordered a drink with this ingredient in it without thinking about it and when I got home that night I realized that I wasn’t sick.  And it was then that I realized that this was a result of that prayer for healing and breaking generational sins and curses and the allergy never came back. Kelly

Sid:  Are you seeing that this is normal when someone destroys all of these anchors by praying these seven supernatural prayers.  Now it’s not just praying the prayers it’s understanding…  Let’s go to a second key and this is one that very few people understand severing ungodly soul ties.

Mark:  Well Sid, you know one of the biblical examples of soul tie would be David and Jonathan.  The Bible says that the soul of David was knit to the soul of Jonathan they were bosom buddies, they were knit together.   So we would call that a soul tie, they were very close, they were very connected.

Sid:  Well, there is nothing wrong with that.

Mark:  No, nothing wrong cause that’s a godly soul tie not an ungodly soul tie, we can have both cause what’s suppose to flow through a soul tie, a close relationship, what’s suppose to flow is the life of the Lord Jesus Christ one to another.  But what does flow sometimes is anger, resentment, bitter, a gossip buddies.  You know we get together and we gossip, we share negativity and then it’s an ungodly soul tie if we’re sharing death back and forth.

Sid:  And I actually hear people that are married that have these ungodly soul ties with someone that they previously dated or someone that they just know that they are close friends with.

Mark:  Well exactly.  In a marriage we are suppose to minister the life of Jesus back and forth but often you can get domination, manipulation, control, jealousy all sorts of negativity flowing from one to the other and now this wire here that connects us there’s a stream of negative demonic energy flowing across it rather than a stream of Holy Ghost energy flowing across it and were messing the person up rather than blessing the person.

Sid:  Well, give me a real life story of someone that’s severed these ungodly soul ties and what happened to them.

Mark:  Alright, this is another testimony from a gentleman named Martin and he’s from South Africa.  And I’m just going to read for you a part of his testimony.  He was a…it’s concerning his spiritual leaders which he said had a very negative attitude towards me.  They did not believe I was called to minister.  And this person, this spiritual leader, thought I was called only to be a king and not a priest and this negative attitude almost made me to believe that I hadn’t no value to contribute to building the body of Christ especially in preaching the word and in prayer.  And I recalled the principal of severing ungodly soul ties and the application of the cross of Jesus between us and I also learned the importance of renouncing and rejecting any inherited ungodly portions of that person’s soul into his own.  And so he exercised these principals, I realized he said, “When I exercised these principals I realized that I was anointed to preach God’s word with signs and wonders following.  I also discovered prophetic unction.  I had spoken words of encouragement to two people casually and what I spoke I was actually prophesying and it actually came to pass.  And I’m now enjoying great communion with God and I feel so confident of God’s love, I don’t need to seek man’s approval or acceptance.  I am liberated and I am serving the Lord. Martin

Sid:  Now, you had to break a soul tie with a patriot movement.

Mark:  Well yeah, at one point in my life going back maybe fifteen years I got pretty negative about the government and what I was seeing in society and that’s easy to happen; you look at things in Washington and you get bent out of shape.

Sid:  Oh, that’s happening a lot to day but go ahead.

Mark:  It really is and I’m fighting the battle again to make sure I stay clean and don’t become negative, because it’s easy to become negative and back then I did become very negative.  I said, “I don’t like what I see and I think we ought to do it in, attack it and come against it.  And on the internet I found a group called the Patriot Movement which were very anti government and they believed the government should be thrown off and best to have a machine gun on your property and hide in the desert some place and shoot anybody who comes on your property.  And the longer I read their material the more I built a soul tie with them and I joined my soul to theirs and said yes, yes, yes.  And their negative attitudes flowed into me and I…

Sid:  I have to tell you something, I have to watch a lot of the talk shows on radio and television that are political and they may even be saying something that’s right, but it’s causing me to become very negative and I don’t like it.

Mark:  You know we all fight that battle every single day and the longer I moved with these people the more I realized Mark you are not growing in faith, hope and love.  You are growing in fear, anger, resentment and bitterness.  And you just want to run and hide in a cave some place and I said that’s the opposite to Christian growth.  How can I disciple a nation hiding in a cave and I said…

Sid:  Or the other extreme, you get really angry and you start saying very negative things about the other political party.

Mark:  Well, exactly and we start cursing with our mouths and the Bible…

Sid:  I mean can you imagine what God thinks when you start cursing those in authority; even if they are doing something wrong you are suppose to pray for them!

Mark:  Well, that’s exactly what the Lord has spoken to me and He just reminded I just went through nine weeks where my voice hasn’t worked well.  And when I journaled about it and asked the Lord he said, Mark blessing and curse are not to fall from your lips.  And he gave me the verse in James where you know we bless God and we curse man and he said you cannot allow curse out of your lips because a judgment comes back and affected my throat and so I couldn’t hardly speak for the last ten seminars I’ve done in churches.  And I’ve repented and I’m healed and I’m not going to speak negative against the government, God said you pray for them.  And so now I’m going to pray and not speak negative.  Ha-ha.

Sid:  Well, I’ll tell you what Mark, I am so excited!  This is basic discipleship that the early church understood.  It’s been lost and when you can dismantle a demon’s home whether it’s demons of fear or demons of addiction or demons of infirmity or any of millions of areas, when you can dismantle their home it’s easy to cast that demon out and to be free.