Sid Roth welcomes Renny McLean

Sid:  One of the things that I was telling my guest, Dr. Renny McLean is we must be instant, instant when God tells us to do something.  And I’m going to repent to God and anyone else listening.   I’ve got to repent right now because, on yesterday’s broadcast I just got so caught up in worship I didn’t even speak the the word of knowledge that I was hearing.  So I’ve got to start this interview right now with what I heard.  I heard that pain, especially in the neck and the hip, it is gone.  And what I’m learning Renny, I don’t quite understand, maybe you do; why is it when a Word of Knowledge is spoken and many people are always healed, but everyone isn’t healed.  I have a theory that if I can get people to act as if they believed that was a word coming straight from the throne room of God; such as if they have a neck ache they would move their neck, if they had a back ache they would bend over.  If I can get them to do that they’ll walk somehow the healing takes place, others it’s instant without doing a thing, but if I could get the ones that weren’t healed to act as if they were at that moment, they will be healed.

Renny:  They would be healed, Sid they would be healed; that is such a powerful illustration you just gave.  In fact you just took me back to Boston, Massachusetts.  I was in Boston, Massachusetts some years ago and I’ll never forget it.  It was freezing, it was in January and you know how Boston is in January; ice on the ground and everything.

Sid:  I don’t want to know, but go ahead.  Ha-ha

Renny:  Ha-ha well, I hear you.  I went to this church and I mean, this is probably the most funniest thing I think I have ever seen.  I went to this church, it was I won’t name the denomination but it was charismatic and they wanted God, but everything they did was out of those old hymnals.  And there is nothing wrong with some of the hymnals because some of the greatest songs are actually in the hymnals; because if you notice some of those old hymnals, some of those songs, they sang of the greatness of God, the majesty of God.  So some of those songs are powerful to this day, in fact you could argued that today,   Part of what’s been missing today in the churches, we’ve got the songs of the Spirit of the new song, but we don’t actually have the hymns that speak of the glory and the power and the majesty of God.  And the awesomeness and that says a lot why in some of our charismatic circles our worship is good but it’s not structured cause it doesn’t have the foundation of those powerful hymns.  But any ways they had the hymn books there, but they were singing the wrong songs and so there was no atmosphere.  There was just no atmosphere.  It was just horrible to be honest with you and it was a situation where I just really wanted to say, praise the Lord just preach a little message and leave.  But unfortunately I was supposed to be there for five days.  And so let me tell you what happened to make you laugh.  I’m standing there to minister, the piano is out of tune, the worship is out of tune, everything is out of tune.  I said, God what in carnation am I suppose to do now?  I said, nothing is happening, they’re killing the service.  And God said to me, “Renny just do as I tell you.”  And I can remember what I preached to this day, I preached from Romans four; isn’t it prophetic, I was preaching calling those things to be that’s not as though they are.  And trust me, I really needed to do some calling; actually now I’m ministering and at the end of the message I said, “Well Lord, I’ll see how it goes for tonight.”  He said, “No do something now,” and I want back to my seat to sit down and the Lord said to me, “Get back behind the pulpit and speak the word that I put in your mouth.”  And so Sid, I went to the pulpit and I said right now there’s somebody with a serious leg condition that God is healing right now.  It’s a creative miracle of some kind.   I said God is doing it right now; and you know they didn’t understand about how to respond to the word and the people just sat there; and I mean they literally just sat there.  I mean it wasn’t even funny.  So I said, “Lord, I spoke the word, I’ll just sit down now.” and the Lord said to me, “Renny you said it, but your faith wasn’t in it even though I said it through you, but you’re faith wasn’t in it;” then he said to me, “Go back up there and say it.”  And I want up there and here’s what I said.  I said, “There is a creative miracle taking place right now in someone’s leg.”  And you know there’s sometimes Sid, you have to hear yourself saying something.  You know what I mean to really know that you are saying it.  Like you say, you hear yourself think.  Sometimes you have got to hear yourself saying it.  And I’m telling you Sid, I went up there with the authority of Jesus I simply said, “Somebody right now is being healed and I described the condition to a Tee.  And then I went back to my seat the Spirit of God touched me on my shoulder and said, “Go back again,” and he said, “This time you are got going to just speak it, you are going to prophecy it.”  And I told them, these were the words the Lord the Lord gave me, “For the Word of the Lord is in this house today, and it was I that spoke through my son, and because you didn’t believe it, He said now, I’m going to show you a sign.  When I said the sign, I said was going to show a sign there was a woman at the back of the church; she had polio in her leg.  Polio, we know what polio looks like, she had polio.  And she had the leg brace on, and you know how it was years ago, and I said right now the Lord shows a sign right now.  Listen to this, the leg brace opened up by itself and fell off at her feet.  When she looked at her leg her leg became normal as the other.

Sid:  Now I use to wear a brace not from polio when I was young and braces can’t open by themselves. 

Renny:  They cannot open. 

Sid:  They can’t, I mean that’s impossible.  How did God do that, Renny?  What happened?  What do you think happened?

Renny:  Well, this is what I believe, this is what I believe, I honestly believe and angel unstrapped her.  I really do believe that.  Because you know as well as I do that does not happen.  The leg braced opened up by itself and fell off at her feet and she looked at her leg and it was as normal as the other one.  So what you said Sid is so powerful is because when the presence of God is present, the people of God don’t know how to step into it.  And I shouldn’t say don’t know, they don’t understand.  The truth of it is, if you hear me say right now if you are in a wheelchair, if I said to you right now in Jesus name rise and be healed.  I’m not telling you I’m going to come and lay hands on you.  The healing is in your action.  It is in your response to what was said.  You’re not going to know until you stand and do it and you stand up and take your healing.  And you say that is my healing, that is my deliverance that is my miracle.  And you see in those instances, Sid because of the woman’s ignorance that was a sovereign miracle.  Cause that don’t happen every day, that rarely happens, you know a leg brace open up by itself and fall off at someone’s leg.  I could give instances like that by the hundreds of things God has done that.  But I found out that the quicker people respond the miracles multiply.  That makes the difference between one person being healed and ten people being healed or all being healed.  It’s who responds to the word when the word is spoken. 

Sid:  Tell me about that woman in the wheelchair for twenty-seven years in Oregon and the tambourine. 

Renny:  Oh, let me tell you that is awesome, let me tell you that Sid.  We were ministering in Portland, Oregon; not Portland a place called Grass Pass, Oregon.  Beautiful part of the country, phenomenal place, great scenery and I was there for what would be a two week meeting.  The presence of the Lord was growing because you know when you are doing back to back, you know several nights.  You know the meeting is growing so, faith is growing; atmosphere is growing; and anointing’s growing; the glory is growing and people began to fall into what I define as the rhythm of the service.  And so now, at the last night of this meeting there was a lady there, a beautiful lady, she was must have been about, I would dare say that she had to be around sixty then so that it had to be so clear to me she had to be around sixty or very early sixties; and I was speaking on the new sound.  And I was speaking on how, you know, God is sending in the new sound, what the new sound is and what the new sound is for.   And for whatever the reason at the end of the meeting, the service just ended with a sound and the sound was wind.  Well we couldn’t sing, it was just the God was giving a sound; and what happened was we all began to clap and the clap was in unison, and there was power in the clap.  I’m sorry people don’t believe that, but there’s power in the clap.

Sid:  You know what?  I see power when people just played the drums alone; I see a move of God’s Spirit.

Renny:  Yes because it is a declaration, it’s a declaration in the house of something to come It’s powerful.

Sid:  Okay, they were clapping and what happened?

Renny:  And so now they were clapping and this is what’s happened now, this brother picked up a tambourine and he began to just play it to a rhythm to a beat that to be honest I have never heard before or since.  He didn’t even know what he was doing; he was just really obeying God.  And we were just worshipping the Lord and I speak about how instruments prophecy.  And this woman is sitting in the wheelchair paralyzed and she’d been to everybody else’s service and she couldn’t healed, great meetings, but she didn’t get healed.  But she connected to the presence; she connected to the word and said, “This is what she heard.”  She said, “When the sound was going forth this is what she heard,” she said “This is what she heard,” isn’t that interesting?  She said all she heard was this, something in the sound and all she heard was this.  I AM the Lord Thy God that healeth thee, rise.  And she heard it several times.  She heard that out of the sound, and Sid all of a sudden she began to, I remember it because I remember seeing her get healed.  She began to vibrate, and now check it out, she began to shake and you could tell that God was evidently touching her, you know really doing something.  It was if she was getting…the longer she was shaking it was as if God was getting to the core of her being.  And then all of a sudden she just put her hand on the sides of the chair and she didn’t ask anybody.  Her husband brought her and he was just looking at her all the night, just looking at her and all of a sudden, she said, “I’m getting up,” and she, you know, she put her hands on the sides of the chair and she began to stand up.  Twenty-six years of crippleness left in a split second.

Sid:  Renny, here’s what I believe.  I believe when people get a hold of your teaching on worship and especially the revelation, I mean I can’t hear it enough “Called Matter Doesn’t Matter.”  I mean that to me is a key to the supernatural, if I ever seen one that most people don’t understand.  That in their living room, what you just described was going on in the church in their living room as they get that open heaven through listening to your teaching.  And that’s what people do when they listen to your teaching, there’s an open heaven and then they begin to apply what you’re teaching.  Is there any reason that can’t happen right in their own home?

Renny:  Sid, it can happen in their home, let me tell you something.  It can happen in your home, it can happen when you’re in the worst of the worse no matter where you are, you begin to worship you’re God will come forth.