SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Gary Whetstone.And you don’t know what’s going to happen.Listen Gary was in Kenya, Africa; and how did you find out Gary that 1,000 cult members were going to be armed with guns and they had a target in mind – you.
GARY: I was in my hotel room and I sent my front person out because we do these major crusades around the world.And the person had come back; he had glass on him.They had broke the car windshields in with baseball bats.Smashed the car and behind him was one of the policemen in Nairobi, Kenya that had these big armor shields.And he said I’m telling you right now Reverend;do not go out there to preach.Don’t go at all.There are 1,000 cult members who believe that there is no resurrection; and they are going to prove it by killing you today; and you will not raise from the dead; and we cannot protect you.I said “How many do you have?” They said,there’s two of us and if you go, we’re not going.So I went to prayer Sid, andI said “God what do you want me to do?”He spoke to me; he said “You’ve come here for that meeting.I didn’t come to send you to leave.”So I told my ministry team that was with me;I said “You don’t have to go with me because you didn’t hear what I heard; and I don’t know what’s going to happen; but I know I’m going to go.”And when I got our car, it was busted up.They drove down through literally a riverbed.Back behind it, they had burned the platform; sacrificed a goat on the platform, cut the head off; stuck it on a microphone stand.And my interpreter, coming along, shaking like a leaf with me; he said “What are you going to do?” I said “I’m going to get up there and preach.”And we looked out there and around the perimeter, there were a thousand people.And this has all been verified.And ArapMoi was the president of Kenya at that time; and all the news reports and everything.And I got up on that platform and I took the microphone and I looked at these men with pistols and rifles; and there were tons of them.And this just rose up out of me with a boldness.And I said “No man called by God today will die by an assassin’s bullet; pull the trigger if you can.”
SID: So what did your translator do when he translated that?
GARY: You just heard it – nothing.
SID: You mean he didn’t translate?
GARY: He wouldn’t say it.
GARY: I said “What’s wrong with you?”
SID: I mean it’s bad enough you said that, but then he wouldn’t even translate it.
GARY: I said why won’t you translate it? He said they’re not very good shots.
GARY: I said, Oh!What do you want me to do? He said I’m not going to translate that.They will kill me.He’s going to have to translate it in Swahili because this is a cult from the region outside of the main city where they do speak some English.And I said “Ok we’ll do this.You go to that side of the platform;I’ll stand on this side.I’m going to say it again when you say it in Swahili, jump, and I’ll stand here.”
SID: Well how could you have been so brave? Seriously, how could you have?
GARY: Sid, the reality of the presence of God does not know fear.There is no fear when you’re in the presence of God.
SID: There’s no fear in love.
GARY: No fear in love, no fear in God.
SID: Being in the presence of God, you’re in love.So did he say this and jump?
GARY: I got back up.I said God you’d better move with me like you did before because I don’t want to make these words up; and I said the same thing.
SID: I mean it was bad enough to have to say it once; you had to say it twice.
GARY: And you could hear this gasp because we had some of our ministry team from America underneath the platform.Man their prayer was going pretty loud then.
SID: You didn’t have to encourage them to pray?
GARY: No, no.They were praying that guy interpreted it and jumped.And the next thing I saw these guns, they just dropped them.And these men started streaming to the platform, crying.Others grabbed their guns and ran.And then behind them were thousands and thousands of people.And they all just streamed to the altars, in front.I mean this place was a mess because of the fires and the sacrifices and everything.And we had the most awesome, miracle, power, salvation time I had ever seen.And the president of Kenya, that next morning on the headlines it says;declared – this anti-Christ cult illegal and all that are affiliated will be imprisoned.And from that day it was completely shut down in the country; and ‘til now it has never come back again.
SID: What happened to the cult members that came forward to receive Jesus repenting?
GARY: It’s funny that everyone that repented none of them got arrested; because they dropped their guns.And nobody told on them they all received Jesus; they all got the books we gave; and they all got infiltrated into the church world; because there’s a presence of God that is greater than any fear that any man could ever feel.
SID: You wrote a book on fear and you’ve had plenty of occasion for fear; we’ve just heard plenty; but there was one time you wanted to build a very large building for your church, and God told you how to do it; but you got in way over your head.
GARY: Yeah it was… I needed one million dollars in cash or the person who owned the building said that’s it…we’re done with you.We’re not going to do it.You’re out of here.You’re going to have to move and we have an auditorium that seats like 1,500 seats.So where am I going to move a church that size? And I’m in prayer and I tell my wife, I said “Faye we’re going to invite some families over tonight or the next night.” She said “What for?” I said “Well if I tell you, you’re probably going to get pretty upset.”She said “What are you going to do?” I said “I’m going to ask them to do something that’s very much a miracle.”She said “What’s that?” I said “Well,I’m going to ask them each to give twenty thousand dollars.”She said “Who are they?” One of them was a family that we had just paid their electric bill because the guy wasn’t working.
SID: Why did you even bother inviting him?
GARY: That’s who God told me to invite.
SID: Well that’s a good reason.
GARY: The other one was a woman who had been put in prison;and we had helped bail her out. I think it was like her fifteenth imprisonment for several crimes she had committed; and on and on.And there was only one person in the 20 that we invited that even had the remotest possibility to ever… If they sold their house they might have gotten that much equity out of it.And as I shared what God spoke to me,I said to them “What is about to be shared with you is going to be as much of a miracle as raising somebody from the dead, because I’m going to create twenty thousand dollars each.”And every one of them…It was just like the presence of God hit their heart; and they all said “Yes.”That next Sunday…
SID: Oy vey.It’s easy to say yes when you don’t have any money.
GARY: Yeah,I know.
SID: But what good was a yes from someone that you had to pay their utility bill?
GARY: But that’s where fear is.You see the supernatural of God does not take into account what is present;because God made everything out of nothing that existed.So if God made everything that is seen, out of nothing that existed.Then what’s a couple million dollars to God when he has the ownership of everything? If they could receive it, they could give it.
SID: And they did, what you’re saying is there was an impartation of God’s faith.
GARY: It just infused them.That Sunday they stood up on the platform and they said we have committed to give over four hundred thousand dollars within the next month.Now we asked the rest of the church to give the rest of the four hundred thousand.Everybody joined hands; they all agreed.We went to settlement and we gave them a check for one million dollars.
SID: You had mentioned in your book that literally, you felt the building was speaking to you; what was it saying before you got that money?
GARY: Well,I’ll tell you it was not an easy thing; because in early morning prayer I’d walk around the front of that church; and I’d keep thinking you’re not going to get it, you’re not going to get it, you’re not going to get it.And God spoke to me he said “Stand outside and look at the building.”I went outside;I looked at the building and it was screaming at me.It was a four point some million dollar building.And then God spoke to my heart.He said “Drive down into the center of your city, Wilmington.”I drove downtown Wilmington; this is like 5 o’clock in the morning.I stood outside and looked at a fifty million dollar building.It wasn’t saying anything to me.God said “Why is that building not saying anything to you?And the one that I’m giving you is speaking to you?” He said “Make the one I’m giving you not talk to you.” I drove back to the building and I commanded it to silence in the name of Jesus.
SID: What mountain is speaking to you that you’re so fearful of? What circumstance in your life is speaking to you that you’re literally trembling over? I suggest you do the same thing that Gary did: silence it.The best way I know to silence it is the name of Jesus; the blood of Jesus; the cross.That’s the best way I know to silence anything:the word of God!Let’s do that right now.In the name of Jesus, the blood of Jesus, and the cross:I silence those lying voices in your life and I loose the voice of truth.The voice that says all things are possible. I tell you that there is that same cloud of supernatural faith that went on those people in Gary’s home that’s going on you right now.Rise up man of God, rise up woman of God.Fulfill your destiny.Get rid of those lying voices.You don’t need them anymore; and take the truth that will last forever.The word of God is eternal.That’s the truth!