Sid Roth welcomes Mark Virkler

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Mark Virkler. And I’ve got some good news for you. You do not have to live with that pain, emotional or physical. Mark, when you found out that there were seven supernatural prayers and when people systematically pray these prayers, every legal right that these demons have, they’re just dismissed, and then it’s easy to set someone free. But the big question I have is how can a Christian have a demon?

MARK: Well that’s a big question I had, too, you know. And I initially didn’t believe a Christian could have a demon and for several reasons. One is because the word “demon possessed” freaked me out. I said, you know, you can’t be possessed by the Holy Spirit and possessed by demon spirits.

SID: Right.
MARK: However, the Greek in the New Testament isn’t “possessed”. The Greek is “daemonion”, which means demonized, which the literal definition is “under the influence of”, which is a totally different picture than “possessed by”. “Possessed by” means I’m controlled, where under the influence of says, well there’s some area of my flesh or soul that’s under the control of something negative, even though in my spirit I’m controlled by the Holy Spirit. So that picture makes it more acceptable for me to say, yeah, there’s a lot of parts of us. We’ve got souls, we’ve got bodies. And many be a demon is controlling one part out there, even while the Holy Spirit is possessing my spirit.

SID: You know, in the New Testament I read about Jesus casting out spirits of infirmity and people get healed. And the thing that you and I were discussing is can a Christian have a demon? Can a Christian be sick? Well the latter you’d say for sure. Of course a Christian can be sick. Well does that mean they’re sickness possessed, demon possessed? No. Does that mean they’re demonized, as you pointed out? Of course. Now do many Christians need deliverance?

MARK: Well my personal guess is we all need deliverance because we’ve all been wounded. We walked through life. Things happen and when things happen we put up walls. You know, I put up walls and said that will never happen again. And when I’m putting a wall up a demon will come along and say, “I can help you with that wall”, you know, a wall of defensiveness, a wall of fear. So a demon of defensiveness or fear comes and attaches itself. So now I’ve got two problems. I’ve got my own sin plus I’ve got a demon helping me with the sin.

SID: What is a healed heart? What is a wounded heart?

MARK: A healed heart, I think, is a heart that lives in faith, hope and love. “Now abide these three.” 1 Corinthians 13:13. So if you can look at every area of your life like your marriage, and say I’ve got faith, hope and love. Look at your health and say, “I have faith that I’m going live into old age with vibrant health.” Look at your finances and say, “I’ve got faith for my finances. I’m going to lend and not borrow.” I look at my children and say, “I’ve got faith, hope and love there.” So for each of these areas you can say, “I’m full of faith, hope and love” and it’s healed. But if you look at one of those areas and you say, “I’ve got fear, doubt and unbelief” then that’s unhealed. That area is unhealed. So an unhealed heart would be any opposite of faith, hope and love. Opposite of faith would be fear, doubt, unbelief. Opposite of hope would be hopelessness, despair, loneliness. Faith, hope, love. Opposite of love is anger, hatred, rage. So those are all the heart wounds that demons could fill and which we can now heal through deliverance prayer through these seven prayers.

SID: Well let’s take a look at some of these prayers. For instance, the first one would be a prayer of breaking generational curses. What are generational curses and why do they have to be broken?

MARK: Well the Bible says the sins of the parents are passed on down to the third and fourth generation. So a lot of times the messes we have didn’t start with us. They started with our parents and they’re coming down through to us. So we can place the cross of Jesus between the generational sins and curses and us.

SID: I like that.

MARK: Yeah, I do, too. And I would say to the person, picture yourself in your mother’s womb because that’s where you picked up generational sins and curses, and picture that baby there, picture the cross of Jesus between that baby and all the stream of energy flowing down towards it from the mom and the dad. And you just speak it. You say, “In the name of Jesus I forgive my parents for giving to me generational sins and curses in the area of whatever, anger, hatred, scorn, and I command that to hit the cross of Jesus, fall to the ground powerless at the foot of the cross, and I release that baby in the wound from the generational sins and curses, and I pray for the blessings of Calvary to cascade down over that baby, and I bless that baby with life, and I call that life to come upon that child.”

SID: Give me an example, a real life experience of someone that prayed that and what happened to them.

MARK: Who broke generational sins and curses.

SID: Yes.

MARK: I’m going to just read a testimony if I may, all right?

SID: Okay.

MARK: This is from a lady, Kelly Shay, and she had said, here’s her testimony. “I started having stomach problems whenever I drank anything with a certain ingredient in it. This hadn’t always been the case and I had no idea what triggered this insensitivity, and it went on for about two years. I was going through the prayers to heal the heart set, and there was a lesson about generational sins and curses, and it mentioned that that could result in allergies. I knew that there was adultery a few generations back in my family, so I prayed through breaking those generational sins. A few days later I was out with my friends, I ordered a drink without thinking, and when I got home that night I realized I wasn’t sick. It was then that I thought about the results of the prayer. The allergy has never come back. Kelly Shay.”

SID: That is wonderful. Now you prayed these supernatural prayers with many people. You conduct seminars, you have tapes, etc. What type of results are you getting?

MARK: We’re getting tremendous results. God said you pray all seven prayers for everybody. And what happens is, as you’re working through these, you feel lighter and lighter, and lighter, until you’re free. And people feel that lightness. I feel the lightness. People who go through it, they feel the lightness.

SID: I actually feel a lightness as you’re speaking this. But what about, let’s take another one. Ungodly soul ties. Most have heard of this. But what are ungodly soul ties?

MARK: A soul tie, in the Bible you have an example of the soul of David was knit with the soul of Jonathan. Knit. So they’re tied together, two souls. So whenever you have a bosom buddy relationship or a covenant contract with a person, you have a soul tie. And if you have an ungodly soul tie you’re passing stuff from one person to the other. So if we get together to gossip about the government or people that I’m poor and poisoned, you have toxin poison into your spirit. And we have a soul tie because we get to do it every week. You know, we just share negatives. So that would be one example of an ungodly soul tie.

SID: But see, here’s the most wonderful thing. When you attack all of these areas that the devil has strongholds, it’s almost like you’re covered in oil, and he goes to reach in and woop! We’ll be right back after this word.