Pat Schatzline: Hey, this is Pat Schatzline! Welcome to Something More! I am so excited because really one of the churches that God has used to awaken America their pastor is here with us right now! And Patricia Bootsma, thank you for coming here! Thank you for coming and being a part of what and telling us all that God is doing! And so I’m so glad to have you here with us today!

Patricia Bootsma: Thank you so much for having me! I’m excited!

PAT: You know your heart burns for the next generation! And you and your husband John, God uses you guys! You lead Catch the Fire church there in Toronto and tell us what’s going on there right now.

PATRICIA: Well at the church great things are happening! I’ll tell you God has been moving now for really or 24 years with this outpouring of the Spirit. So right now I would say there’s just a lot of salvations, like around, I don’t know, 20 a week let’s say.

PAT: Wow.

PATRICIA: And so we’ve, you know, increased our services. God is moving! His presence is there. And there’s been planting of churches, Catch the Fire Churches worldwide! So yeah God’s doing some really good stuff up in Toronto!

PAT: And John and Carol Arnott are over the whole vision type of thing?

PATRICIA: Absolutely! They’re going strong in their 70’s traveling the world. They haven’t stopped just bringing revival to the four corners of the globe!

PAT: You know I had a chance, Karen and I, we minister a great deal in Canada and I had an opportunity, one Sunday night, a youth conference there at the Airport Vineyard and now it’s Catch the Fire. And when you know when you pull on the grounds you feel the glory of the Lord! You feel the presence of God!  

PATRICIA: Yeah!

PAT: I really believe with all my heart that something God spoke to us is that we’re stepping into the prodigal awakening. 2018 would mark – the number 18 is chai. In the Hebrew it means

 life! And I really believe we’re about to see the prodigals come home!

PATRICIA: Oh.

PAT: And you know the Lord has used you to write a book, a powerful book, Raising Burning Hearts. Which man, when I saw the title I’m like okay! We’re about to have some Holy Ghost on TV! But tell us how God has used you even in your own family to get 6 children. Talk to me about that. 

PATRICIA: Yeah. We have 6 children. So one son and five daughters. Three are married. But you know if the great commandment is that we are to love the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind, strength, then I would see that as the most important thing that I’m going to want to impart to my kids is that they would love the Lord with all their heart, soul, mind and strength! And so this began just a time of enquiring of the Father who knows how to father, how to parent!  

PAT: Yeah.

PATRICIA: And how can we raise kids that really love You and walk in the fullness of their destiny? So the Lord has taught us some things along the line, along the way. Our oldest is 26, the youngest is 14. And so yeah I put it in the book. And one of the things it’s just you know the power of blessing! The power of speaking blessing! The power of speaking identity! I actually do a lot of prophetic teaching around the world but I want to be a prophet in my own home before I’m a prophet in the nations! Like how can we call out, you know, the destiny of God on our kids? And for every word of correction there really should be like 7 to 10 words of affirmation of you’re doing amazing or what has God called you to do or called you to be? So you know we’ve really learned some of those things. One of the things we like to say over our kids is you’re the head and not the tail. You’re above and not beneath! You’ll lend to many nations and never have to borrow. Everything you put your hands to prospers and succeeds!  

PAT: Wow!

JOHN: Okay. Jesus made a statement. He’s speaking to the “11.” Judas has already gone to betray Him. These are the eleven closest men to Him on the face of the earth. These have been His very best friends. Jesus is allowed to have friends, you know that, right? Okay. So Jesus looks at these guys after Judas leaves. And He says “No longer do I call you servants.” Now the fact that He says no longer do I call you servants means at one time they were looked at and merely regarded as servants. That’s not a revelation, that’s a grammar lesson. Okay? Why does God do that with us? Why is there a time in our walk with Him that even though we’re an “heir” He treats us as a servant? Remember Galatians 4:1 “As long the heir is a child he differs nothing from the servant.” Why? Now listen, this is so important that you understand this.

Why is there a time when even though we are an heir God has to treat us as a servant? Can I tell you why? To protect us. Because He loves us so much. He doesn’t want happening to us what happened to Ananias and Sapphira. Okay, let me give you an example that’s really weak but it works, okay? We worked for two very large ministries, worldwide ministries back in the 1980’s. One had a staff of 450 people, the other one had a staff of 150 people. When we were launched into our own ministry in 1990 I came up with a new concept of leadership. Every employee’s going to be my best friend. So some of you already know the stupidity of that wisdom. Okay. So I hired our first guy on. His name was John. And I employed my new strategy. He’s my best buddy. So we’re playing basketball, we would even watch videos, he’d hang out at the house constantly, he’d eat dinner with us all the time, best— the guy was great the first year, until I had to bring some minor correction to him.

Because at our resource table he was treating people kind of rude. And so I sat him down after a year and I said, John, listen, these are God’s people. We love them. I don’t want you to be unapproachable at the table. I want you to smile more, I want you to help them. And he looks back at me, no kidding, and he points his finger at me and he starts railing on me. Well you’re this and you’re that and you’re this. And I’m sitting there going, “Ho, my, my.” So I immediately look inside, I said Lord, what do I do? And the Lord said, “Fire him.” So I let him completely vent. And when he’s done venting, I said, “Well you can’t work for Messenger International anymore. I’m going to have to ask you to leave. Well he storms out. He’s mad. And I start crying “cause I really cared about the guy.

Now I’m crying and the Holy Spirit speaks to me and says, “He will be back working for you and he will be twice as faithful.” So three months go by, I haven’t heard a peep from him, don’t know what’s going on in his life, I have no idea. And I get a phone call from him. He says, John, this is John. He said for the (laughter). He said for the last, for the, for the last three months God has dealt with me and really spoken to me like He’s never spoken to me before. He said, John, I lost sight of the place God had put you in my life. I lost sight of the place God had placed me in your life. He said I started treating you as common and ordinary. He said I did the same thing with Lisa and he said God has really dealt with me. And he said I am just calling to tell you I am so sorry. I really, really misunderstood and lost sight of who you were in my life. I said John, I forgive you.

Well I talked a few more minutes. I said would you, would you come back and work for us? He said “Absolutely!” He came back and worked for us, we never had problems with him in that area again. Now 24 years later I have a new policy. I have 30 employees, right? My policy now is I will not share intimate things of my life with any of my employees until I know first of all they’re very established in who God made them to be in my life and Lisa’s life and until, well they’re very established in who I am in their life and they’re very established in who they are in my life. Right? Are you with me? Because I don’t want to destroy— and I don’t do this because I’m scared to reveal my heart to my employees. I don’t want to destroy them like I almost destroyed that young man.

But once I know an employee of ours, a team member of ours is very established in who I am, and very established in who they are, I’ll bring ‘emin. Some of my employees are my closest friends. Okay? So this is what God says to us: He says until you’re very established in who you are before Me, and very established in who I am before you, I got to keep you at a servant level even though you’re an heir because I don’t want happening to you what happened to Ananias and Sapphira. But once you’re established in who I am in your life and who you are in my life, the fear of the Lord, I can bring you in as a close friend. Are you seeing this?

Heaven was just awesome like that. When you could see those buildings sitting there and you could listen to that river, I could listen to it all day. Like little children. It was beautiful. One of the most wonderful things I’ve ever seen or heard in my life. I got to see that while I was up in Heaven. Heaven is unbelievable, Sid.

SID: You were telling me the difference between living 100% in the spirit or maybe as a believer, 2% in the spirit and 98% still in the flesh. What’s it like to live all in the spirit 100%?

IVAN: Wow. Okay. That’s a loaded question Sid.

SID: I know.

IVAN: It is a feeling that I wish I could put it into words for you, but I’ll tell you this. Every time I get a chance that I can be alone with God and I can get into the spirit … And I really mean this because I really love that feeling … When you’re there, when the glory of God is on you and it’s so strong on you, you’ll never feel anything like it. It penetrates every part of your being. You smell it, you taste it, you feel it. Every single thing. You hear it. You feel, hear, taste and see the glory of God. And it’s all over you. No matter where you go in Heaven, it’s on you. And that’s something that you can once, that’s on you, it’s with you forever. It’s unbelievable. It’s great.

SID: You told me, in Heaven you know everything. You don’t have to go on a computer. What is this?

IVAN: It’s like, you could look at like, we use Google today, but you could look at it and go, I instantly knew everything about it. Everything you did. You could see it’s your spirit. Our minds are more of a filter than it is what we think it is. Our brains are. Our spirit knows everything. Our spirit is alive. Our spirit never rests. It’s awake 24/7. Because there is no day and night in Heaven. It’s all the time. It just is.

SID: So the more on Earth, the more we yield to the spirit as opposed to our sense knowledge of our flesh, the more we have Heaven on Earth.

IVAN: Absolutely. You got it. That’s exactly right, Sid.

SID: I got it.

IVAN: You got it.

SID: What about time in Heaven?

IVAN: There’s no time. You can spend one second in Heaven and you feel like you’ve been there 10 years. You spend almost three hours in Heaven, let me tell you what … People joke around and they say 1000 years is like, one day is like a thousand years. Well, if that’s the case, I was 44 years in Heaven because I was there for about three hours. So it was great. I got to see a lot of things and there’s no time. And it’s just beautiful. You can’t judge distance because it’s just so vast. You can never imagine how big it is.

SID: You were shown end time events. Yes. Even … And this is phenomenal. You read in the Book of Genesis how God created the Earth. You had a ringside seat in Heaven how God created the Earth. What was that like?

SID: But even beyond that, things that we have done, that we know according to the Bible were forgiven, as long as the devil knows that there’s still shame and guilt, he will come and torment us.

JAMES: And when you get rid of that…

SID: How do you get rid of that?

JAMES: Well, I think there’s a special way, but it’s very hard for us to conceptualize. We know that the Lord says that when he forgives our sin, he chooses to forget it, and he doesn’t bring it up to his memory ever again. Now, you and I, and anyone watching this, were created in God’s image. So a part of who you are is someone who has the ability to forget.

The problem we have is we’ve been taught to bring it up and bring it up and bring it up. And what we need to do is learn how to forget, how to do like our Father does, like Jesus does, and forget these things. And we have that ability, if we’ll exercise it and use it. So a part of becoming prepared is to activate the gifts that God has put into us, and to be able to forget the things that are holding us back.

SID: My goodness, once that happens, it’ll be nothing but Jesus inside of us. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? James was taken to heaven and saw rooms in heaven that are available to us, like the heavenly healing room, and the glory room. The gifts he saw are available now. Next.

SID: I tell you what, you are provoking me to jealousy, Colonel. Tell me about some of these rooms you’ve seen. I know you’ve seen many of them, but tell me about the healing room.

JAMES: In a vision, I was carried in the spirit. Now, people sometimes don’t understand what you’re talking about. I think it’s something the Lord does for us so it’ll make it real. But in my perception, my spirit, soul and body were taken just to an open door, into heaven. And I was there with this huge crowd of people. I don’t know how many there were, because it was dark outside where we were, but there were hundreds of people standing there. And just in front, I saw this room, and the door was not like a rectangular shaped door, but it was like a long arch. And it looked like maybe 20, 30 people could go in at one time, side by side.

So it was a huge opening. I think when God opens something, he does a big job with it. I just felt like I was invited into the room. Now it’s open, some of the other people would go, but they wouldn’t. They just stood there. And I couldn’t understand that. But I pushed my way through the crowd and I entered into that room, and the first thing I did was to look back. Was anyone following me? They weren’t. No, they were still standing there, seemingly not knowing what to do.

So I just felt like the Lord was calling me into that room. And that room was filled with like an amber colored glow, and it was warm. It was powerful. I just knew, that was the glory of the Lord that was shining in that room. And as I moved into the room, I heard the Holy Spirit say to me, “This is a healing room.” And it was explained to me then, it was for my healing, but it was also for healing other people, and it was to release anointing’s of the gifts of healings.

JOHN: Okay, some of you aren’t getting this, some of you are. Okay, all right. All of you know me as John Bevere, speaker, some of you know me as John Bevere, author, but there is a lady, and she is a lady, her name is Lisa, Lisa Bevere. She knows me as John Bevere, husband, she knows me as John Bevere, best friend, she knows me as John Bevere, Dad, she knows me as John Bevere, Gee Daddy, that’s grandpa because I’m way too young to be called grandpa, she knows me as John Bevere, athlete, she knows me as John Bevere, lover. Now can I say this û none of you will ever know me as John Bevere, lover!

AUDIENE: (LAUGHING)

JOHN: That is a facet of my personality you will never know. Only Lisa knows it because she’s the closest person to me on this earth. God just revealed a facet of His personality to Abraham that nobody had ever known before because he’s my friend. Now if you look at the relationship between God and Abraham it’s amazing. One day God makes this statement: Should we do what we’re planning on doing with Sodom and Gomorrah without first talking to our friend Abraham about this? So the Lord comes down by the terebinth tree, has a meal with Abraham and He and Abraham leave the two angels and everybody else, all the servants and they go over to the cliff and they look over the plains of Sodom and the Lord looks at Abe and says, “Abe, we’re thinking about blowing up these two cities. What do you think?”

AUDIENCE: (BIG LAUGHTER)

JOHN: And Abe goes SODOM! And the Lord goes yeah, yeah, yeah, Sodom, and Gomorrah, too. What do you think? And Abe goes “think, think, think— Okay, okay, wait! You wouldn’t like blow up these two cities if there was 50 righteous people, would you? And the Lord goes, “Excellent idea, excellent idea! Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 50 righteous people.” Glad we talked to our friend, Abraham. Abraham goes what if there isn’t 50.  He goes wait a minute, wait a minute, what about if there was 45 righteous people? Would you blow up the cities if there’s 45? The Lord goes “another good idea. Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 45.” So Abraham talks Him all the way down to ten. He figures there’s got to be ten, I mean I got Lot’s, one, all I need is 9 others. Right?

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

JOHN: But you know there’s not. Now this is what is amazing. The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah’s buying, selling, trading, marrying, giving in marriage, planting and harvesting. What is all that in today’s vernacular? Life is great, the economy is booming, and if there is a God, He doesn’t mind our lifestyle. They’re 24 hours from being obliterated and they’re clueless. That is not what’s scary. This is what is scary! Everybody say ‘lot”!

AUDIENCE: Lot!

JOHN: Who the Bible calls righteous. Okay, let me put it to you in today’s terminology. Saved, born again, Christian.

AUDIENCE: Right, uh, huh, c’mon now. JOHN: Lot’s 24 hours away from being obliterated. He’s as clueless as Sodom and Gomorrah. It takes two messengers of mercy, two angels, because Abraham prayed, thank God Abraham prayed, to get him out. And his wife was a little too attached, that’s why she became a pillar of salt and Jesus says in the New Testament ‘remember Lot’s wife” in speaking about the fear of the Lord.

He said, “But then you changed your prayers and you said I want to know you, I want to know you intimately. And He said, “You had sorrow, but your sorrow was worldly when you opened up with Dr. Sumrall.” He said, ‘nine months later your sorrow was godly because your heart was breaking because you knew your sin was breaking My heart.” So if you look at the difference you can see it in two kings. Saul says, “I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned.” But he’s embarrassed, so he says ‘now honor me by worshipping with me in front of my elders.”

You’ve embarrassed me in front of my elders. David, when he gets nailed, falls on his face and said “I have sinned and against You only I have sinned.” He couldn’t care less what his elders thought. So that’s the difference between worldly sorrow and godly sorrow.   Godly sorrow the focus is on Him, worldly sorrow the focus is on what’s going to happen to me. And when we pray that we can know Him intimately, that we can please Him the best a man or woman can please Him, now it’s all about this relationship over everything else and that’s what pleases the heart of God. See Psalm 89, verse 7 says: “God is to be greatly feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be held in reverence by all those who surround him.”

So you’ll never find the presence God in an atmosphere where He’s not held in the utmost of respect. I remember when I learned this experientially. Back in 1996, I was asked to speak in Brazil, the nation of Brazil. There were thousands of people at this conference, it was a national conference. I’m the Friday night speaker. They drive me to the auditorium. There’s cars parked everywhere. And as I come into the auditorium I can hear the worship coming from the inside of the building. Because in their big auditoriums down there, if they have a ceiling on it, there’s like a six foot gap between the upper wall and the ceiling, and it’s for air ventilation but you can hear what’s going on inside.

So they walk me in, they put me on the platform. There’s not a seat open anywhere. Thousands of Brazilians, right? So there’s no presence of God. There’s no presence of God in the whole auditorium. Now when I say this Sid, as we know there are 2 types of the presence of God. There is the “omnipresence” of God. That is where David said “where can I go from your presence? If I go to the highest mountain you’re there, if I make my bed in the lowest valley you’re there.” That’s the presence of God that says “I’ll never leave you nor forsake you.” That’s the omnipresence of God. The other presence of God the Bible speaks about is the “manifest presence” of God. “Manifest” is to bring from the unseen into the realm of the seen, the unheard into the realm of the heard, the unknown into the realm of the known. It’s when God reveals Himself to our senses. Okay? That is a very real experience in Christianity.

Jesus said, “I will manifest Myself to you,” right? So that presence was totally void in that— and I’m sitting there going ‘this is a believer’s conference.” Place is packed, best worship leaders in the nation, why is there no presence!? So I asked the Lord, I said, “God, why is there no presence?” And all of a sudden God open up my eyes and I’m looking at the people. And they’re standing there with their hands in their pocket looking around like this, they got their arms crossed looking down like this, they’re whispering to one another, they’re fumbling through their purses, and they’re walking in and out of this auditorium getting concession stand stuff, okay—  

You know, I can lose my— what if it doesn’t happen,” and many things are involved. But I am dead. So I don’t worry about it. I am dead. So if you dead you don’t worry. You worry about Jesus. You say “Jesus, you do it.” So what’s wrong with you, what’s wrong with you? Yeah, what happened? … No, just one word, and that’s it because— back problem. Okay, does anybody have problem here where you feel the pain right now? Okay, you got the pain? Okay, I want my team going over there please. What’s wrong with your back? Ear. What’s wrong with your ear? So you can’t hear anything? Okay, okay, anybody else in the ears? You have an ear—what’s wrong with you? Completely gone? Ringing? Ringing? Come over here, can you come up here? Can you come up here? Any ears, ears, come over here, come over here, come over here, come up, ears, come over here, hurry up here. Can you pray in the Holy Ghost because you need to respond?

No, no, no, not like that (saying it gently, Guillermo then prays in tongues) In America they told you not to pray anymore. C’mon you are Pentecostals— I want you to stay here. Okay, come over here, get closer, ears right? Any of you have lost one of the ears completely, any of you, any of you, you? Which one? The right is gone? How long ago? 6 years ago— come over here my team— come over here please. Frank, you pray for him. Anybody else in the ear, that you lost your ear? I like the difficult cases first, the most difficult case— Okay, the rest of the people will be healed. But let me tell you this, can we bring— what about you? You lost it? How long ago? So it’s gone. I just want the people to hear because they say “Well, it was an emotional thing.” No, I want the people to be sure why we say it. But I need your support—

AUDIENCE: Amen, hallelujah, YAY!

GUILLERMO Okay, okay, John you gonna pray for him, Frank you gonna pray for him. Go, go pray. So I want the people to pray. Stretch your hands to over them. By the way, this is not a show, this is a demonstration of how the kingdom— listen, before you pray guys, can we bring the kingdom here and now?

AUDIENCE: Yes!

GUILLERMO: I didn’t hear you.

AUDIENCE: YES!

GUILLERMO: Can we bring the kingdom here and now?

AUDIENCE: YES!

GUILLERMO: Something historical. No. Can we bring it now?

AUDIENCE: YES!

GUILLERMO: Okay, these are 2 of my pastors so I will tell them to pray and let’s believe, let’s believe together, and then after that happens, everybody else is gonna get healed. So let’s do it. Can we pray?— c’mon and stretch your hands— If you’re watching me for the school, the training, you do the same in the house. Get somebody, get s body dead from the funeral home, ha, and get ‘em and pray, let’s do it right now, pray in the Holy Ghost. (prays in tongues) Ears are open. Yes, yes, yes (prays in tongues) Test them out. Lift your hands, you lift your hands. I want my team to come over here, please and pray, my team the rest that didn’t come over here, where’s the rest of my team, come over here, pray for the people— —Where are you? Come over here. What happened? —What happened?

MINISTRY TEAM MEMBER: Apostle, the moment I started praying for him I noticed the presence of God was over him so I just finished testing him and he’s hearing me clearly. Jesus has opened his ear!

AUDIENCE: (CLAPPING)

GUILLERMO: Okay, so tell me what happened? What did you feel? —No, I want the people to hear. Sit down. (audience sits)

MAN #1: Yeah, just the fire of God.

GUILLERMO: Okay. So how long you’ve been deaf in that ear?

MAN #1: 2006. Yeah.

GUILLERMO: So 8 years.

MAN #1: 8 years.

LARRY: Well, I got to ask you though, because in the show we’ve been talking about what God has done in the past. We’ve been talking about how God opened up the door for radio and TV, or now we’re talking about where are things going? And one of the indicators of where God is taking you is METV. How in the world did you get this major on air television network, correct me if I’m wrong, with a potential viewership of half a billion people? That’s amazing.

SID: I take no credit. I can’t tell you that. That’s a good title for a book. I take no credit. I actually am smart too. Do you know, you take credit for what God does, you are history. But I wouldn’t want to. God’s too good. I get a phone call one day from a friend of mine, he’s a prophet. You know him, Keith Ellis. And he said, “Sid, I just had a dream. I saw you pulling up a for sale sign, holding it, and the sign had four letters on it. I don’t know what it means. Maybe it’ll mean something to you. It says METV.” I said, “I know what that is.” And he hung up and I hung up. I immediately called the owners of Middle East Television that covers every home in Israel, the entire Middle East, parts of Africa, parts of Asia. Half a billion people. And I knew I’d have no amount of money to buy it. I didn’t even think it was for sale. They just put it up for sale. And they said, “If you’d like to bid on it, we have several people bidding on it.” I’m thinking, “I have no chance at all.”

SID: So I put in a ridiculous bid. I mean, ridiculously low, and they accepted, and the rest is history. God knew. And now we broadcast to every home that turns to our station on any platform they have in Israel. If they’re cable, if they’re satellite, anything throughout the entire Middle East. There is no limit to what God wants to do. If you say hineni, that’s a Hebrew word. It means … Abraham said it. Hineni. Here am I, God. Here am I.

LARRY: It’s amazing. We’ll Sid, you’re about, in September, to turn 80. And I think of Moses. Moses when he had his burning bush encounter with God was 80. And I think of so many of our prophet friends right now who are talking about a new era is upon us. Not just a new day, not just a new season. I even see you, Sid, with METV, and now into the days ahead, you’re stepping into a new era. What do you see is on the future? What do you believe God is doing in the days ahead?

SID: I believe that God is turning up his presence. His [kavod]. His glory of God. And as he turns this up, we will begin to see things that no generation has ever seen. We will begin to see what Jesus said. He said, “You will do the same works I have done, and even greater.” God knew he could trust me when I was a brand new believer, praying all this that we’re talking about into … If you had told me, I would be the owner of a television network, a major television network covering every home in Israel and the Middle East. I’d say you were meshuga. You know what that means?

LARRY: Crazy?

SID: You got it. Crazy.

LARRY: Wow. Well, and the reality is where we’re going, where you’re going, we have never been there before. And I would encourage you, it’s time to expect the new. And Sid will pray for your own experiential knowledge with God and release the global glory. That same greater glory that is on him. Sid is going to release that on you in our bonus segment. To get this special program log on to Sidroth.org/Sid

SID ROTH: I think the key is that God looked at you and said, “I think I can trust this woman.”

JODIE: I think there’s something about perseverance. There’s something about being the one who continues to knock, the one who continues to ask, the one who continues to believe. Faith is believing in what we’ve not seen yet. There is something about knowing that I may not have seen it fully yet, but I believe that I’ve seen it in the spirit and I’m going to keep asking till I’ve seen it in the natural.

SID ROTH: Tell me how bad it got.

JODIE: Well, there were many complications. I was diagnosed with an incurable bowel disease. I was also allergic to the medication. I had a couple of operations that went wrong, made things even worse. There was irreparable damage-

SID ROTH: In the meantime, and you and your husband are seeing thousands and thousands of people healed.

JODIE: Yes. We’ve been in ministry forever and we would always have the manifestation of healing. We would always have supernatural miracles taking place. I would see that to an extent in my life, but largely, I was getting worse and worse. So I was leaning in and pressing in, because I would often pray too. I would be like, “God, if you can do it for them, you’re doing it for me.” But at the same time, I believed every time we saw a miracle in front of our eyes that this was warfare for my miracle too, because I was like, “The longer you keep me unwell, God, we’re going to see more and more and more healed in the name of Jesus.”

SID ROTH: So I’m taking, you’re at a meeting, it’s unbearable, they take you to the hospital again. Take it from there.

JODIE: Yeah. I ended up in hospital because at this point, I was down to about 80 pounds. I was really unable to eat at this point.

SID ROTH: Wow. 80 pounds.

JODIE: Yeah. I was skin and bones and very weak. My spirit was alive. We’ve been in the midst of revival so my spirit was alive, but by body was broken. At this point, I was even struggling to drink water and so I knew I need to go to the hospital. So we arrived, they immediately stuck me in to see the doctors. The doctors came in and they said again to me, “Jodie, we have no medical hope for you other than to remove your entire bowel, half your stomach, and feed you through a tube for the rest of your life.”

It’s in those moments, see, that you discover what you really believe in. It’s in those moments that you go, “Am I going to let this word sink into my heart or do I believe what God has said to me? Do I believe what he’s saying to me now?”

I remember something in my spirit just going, “No, this is not what the Lord has promised me. This is not my days.” I remember just crying out to him, but my body was really broken. At one point, they stuck me in a wheelchair because I didn’t even have strength. My muscles had eaten away and I didn’t have strength to stand. I can clearly remember one day I said to my husband, Ben, “Take me down to the hospital chapel,” and we prayed together. My prayer had been and was in that moment was very specific. I was “God, open up the books of heaven, where you have written down my promises and my days. Open them up and you read them out. You read them out from the throne room because you are not a man that you can lie. And when you read them out, I know that things shift on the earth and I would say over and over, ‘God, you are still the God of Lazarus. It doesn’t matter how hopeless the circumstances look. You are the God of Lazarus and you are the God of resurrection power so my body needs to change.'”

She called us again and she said, “Well, I’d like you to come pray at the Trump headquarters.” And I said, “Well, in Washington, D.C.?” She said, “No. I’d like you to pray at the Trump headquarters in New York City. That’s where I work now.” She took that prophecy seriously, she got aboard the Trump train, if you will, and they liked her so much, they promoted her to New York City. So there we were at Trump headquarters, took a tour, went down the golden escalator and then up the golden elevator, it was a surreal experience. And then we prayed Daniel 7:22 and asked God to uphold his verdict for our nation and grant a turnaround according to the prayers that so many saints throughout the nation have prayed. And within one week Sid, I got a phone call from our friend. And she said, “Have you seen the news?” The news shifted and President Trump against all odds, just first, Netanyahu won turnaround verdict, secondly, President Trump against all odds won. Just as it happened in Israel, it happened in Washington, D.C.

SID: God honors his promises, doesn’t he.

JON: He sure does. That same person later called us and asked us to come pray. And I said, “Sure, where are you now?” She said, “I now work for the White House.” And she invited us over to pray with her in the White House. It’s amazing how God fulfills prophetic words.

SID: You didn’t even know it, that little church with a woman with a hoodie, would open all these doors for you. Tell me about the prophetic words you got in 2017.

JON: As a prophet, you just want to hear good news. You just want to hear favorable news, but this wasn’t necessarily the news I wanted to hear. The Holy Spirit, as we were praying over our watchman’s purge, praying over Washington, D.C., the Holy Spirit spoke to us that by 2020 there will be a series of midnight crises. And he referenced Matthew chapter 25 with the midnight crises that cause the bride to fall asleep. But at midnight, there’s a cry, behold the bridegroom is coming, rise up to meet him. We had a revolution gathering at the Trump International Hotel in 2019 over New Year’s Eve. And it was an amazing time. Literally we’ve prayed for the glory of God to be restored to this nation, the manifest presence and power of God to saturate hearts. And on December 31st, the Holy Spirit came in such power without people being touched at all. We prayed for people, but people all over were weeping. They were on the floor, they were shaking. They were experiencing God personally, the manifest presence and power of God. And we were looking at—

SID: You had a foretaste of the glory that’s on us right now.

JON: Yes.

SID: At that time. But then shortly thereafter, you got a word that everyone knows today.

JON: Yeah. We were thinking ourselves to take this on the road because we’d been praying for it for so many years and the governmental glory of God showed up and we are forever changed. And so we wanted to keep the fire burning and we were praying and the Holy Spirit spoke, “Shelter in place.” I took this to my wife, Jolene. I thought she was going to just blow it off and say, “Get over yourself. Let’s move forward.” And instead she said the Lord directed her to the passage in Isaiah that talks about, “Shut yourself in close your door until the wrath of God passes over.” And we realized that God was serious about sheltering in place. We canceled everything. And then within a little while we…