SID: Okay. Dr. Mike, you did not know you were addicted to food. In fact, you would have challenged anyone to the limit if they said you’re a food addict. How can someone know if they’re a food addict?

 

MICHAEL: There are a number of things you can look at. One is if you know that you’ll be healthier, more vibrant, live longer if you change your diet and yet you won’t, that shows you’re a food addict. If you have secret stashes where you hide food or you eat things when no one is watching you, the unhealthy things, that’s an indication. If you don’t have a certain food for several days or a week that you actually go through some kind of withdrawal, headaches or something like that, or just the thought if I say, hey, how about cutting this out of your diet, the thought of that makes you shake, I mean, those are signs that you’re addicted. And it’s a good place to start to say, God, I confess to you that I’m a food addict. And see, when I used to hear people say I’m a recovering drug addict, I thought, I don’t buy that. I’m free. I didn’t relate to it. I probably judged them. But I live as if I’m a recovering food addict because I know if I open the door, if I play with the thing it could just pull me back in. I was in Israel doing a tour recently and a woman told me that she had been completely free from chocolate for six years. That was an issue in her life and sugar in general. And someone persuaded her, it won’t hurt you to have one piece of dark chocolate. She did it and she’s been addicted ever since. So we start, God, I confess to you that I’m a food addict. We make it plain. And then we come up with a plan. It’s not just a matter of resolve and willpower. We ask God for his grace and then we come up with a plan. We’ve got to look at all the bad stuff we’re eating and cut it out of our diet. Some say, okay, just reduce it and reduce it until you get rid of it. For me, it was a matter of just get rid of it in one day. But either way, you’ve got get rid of the bad. Don’t cut it back, cut it out and then you eat super healthy foods. I have massive salads every day and they are great.

 

SID: I have seen your salad, and trust me, it looks so big, I don’t know how you get it down.

 

MICHAEL: Yes, it’s massive, it’s wonderful.

 

SID: Yes, but a salad. You don’t like that. You like pizza.

 

MICHAEL: Yeah, well it’s what I love, I thoroughly enjoy a massive salad every day.

 

SID: You’re not just saying that. I know you.

 

MICHAEL: I thoroughly enjoy it.

 

SID: I know you do, because I have the same

 

MICHAEL: It takes a half hour, 45 minutes to eat. You get to enjoy it.

 

SID: I haven’t mastered that. I still eat mine fast.

 

MICHAEL: All right, you’re getting it. You’re getting it. The thing is though you don’t feel stuffed afterwards. It’s amazing. I have good portions of fruit, especially berries, which I never ate before. Those are super healthy. I have a little grilled meat once a week, but I don’t even need it. Some weeks I completely forget about it. And then there are all kinds of healthy recipes. I’m the kind of person that can enjoy the same foods day after day. A lot of people aren’t like that. There is amazingly healthy soups you can make. There are amazingly healthy veggie burgers you can make. There is something called pasta made from beans, bean pasta and organic red sauce. I had that and it’s delicious to me. I used to pray, God, help me to love broccoli as much as the way I love chocolate. And as I ate the chocolate nothing happened. But when I got rid of the chocolate and started eating the broccoli things changed. It’s really amazing. And there are online recipes, there are websites, Youtube where folks show you how to cook in a healthy way. If folks will do it, they come up with a plan and they pray for grace they can be transformed.

 

SID: Well it’s wonderful that it transformed you physically. It’s wonderful that you’re going to be around longer, but how did this affect you spiritually?

 

MICHAEL: First, it’s amazing to be free. Every day it’s a revelation. And then, look, people come to me and attack me for being overweight. I was a big guy. I worked out. Maybe I got away with it, but I felt lousy about it. It bothered me all the time. It bothered me when I was praying. I just felt this is not right. It literally weighed me down. Now I have wings. You know what I’m saying? You just want to fly. You want to run. And that’s how you feel spiritually. And then with your mind sharper, with your energy more, it’s just you’re much more vibrant in God. And I feel like whatever I’m coming up against there’s nothing that stands in the way because of this new lifestyle, and I know I’m living the way God created us to live. So spiritually it’s energizing, and then again, I’m not bound. I’m not a slave. My stomach is not my God. It’s a wonderful way to live. It’s a wonderful way to feel.

 

SID: You and your wife firmly believe that 99 percent of diseases can be reversed on this type of a lifestyle. What are specifics you’re aware that have been reversed, and what would you call this, a plant-based?

 

MICHAEL: Yes, plant-based, right, so that you’re relying on nature plant, fruit-based and things like that, healthy nuts and seeds in moderation. So for sure, this is documented. Don’t listen to me on this. Listen to the nutritionists and the scientists on this. But heart disease can be reversed. Hardening of the arteries, that can be reversed.

 

SID: So you don’t have to have Alzheimer’s when you’re older.

 

MICHAEL: Okay. So something else. It’s been demonstrated that a healthy diet like this, a healthy plant-based diet and then exercise with it, that’s a great anecdote for mental diseases as you get older, as well. I’m just reading a whole book about that, just about the mind and the brain. I thought because I’m reading the book, what it can do to your brain, make it sharper and clearer as you’re getting older. I thought, I’m doing everything in the book for the first time in my life. Type 2 diabetes can be completely reversed. And look, let’s be frank, so much of our back pains, so much of our knee pain is from being overweight and God’s grace it may heal, but a lifestyle change can just alleviate so much.

 

SID: Our time is slipping away and people say when they hear you speak on this subject that there is a supernatural presence when you teach on this subject. Would you pray, not a natural prayer, a supernatural prayer against these strongholds that people have with food addiction.

 

MICHAEL: Amen. Father, in the name of Jesus, I pray right now for a Holy Spirit of resolve to rise up in people, your people, to say I’m an overcomer. I’m not a slave to food. My stomach is not my God. I’m a child of God. I’m free. I’m liberated. Lord, I pray you’ll give them vision and hope that they can change. I pray you put long-term determination within them that they can live differently. I pray, O God, that all the grace you’ve given to me that has so transformed me in the resolve and determination that you would give to them, and we declare freedom, freedom from unhealthy living, freedom from unhealthy eating, freedom from food addiction, lasting life-long freedom in the name of Jesus.

 

SID: As Dr. Michael Brown would tell you, if he can do it, but I’m going to add to it, and if I can do it, you can do it, too.

SID: Okay Mike, I’m going to take you to that day, September 9, 2014.

 

MICHAEL: All right. Let me give you the background. I had been crying out to God. Nancy had been crying out to God. We didn’t know it, but we were both praying about my diet, my health. And I said, you know, I’m a man of God. I’m a serious servant of the Lord and yet I’m overweight, I’m obese. This is not right. I got to that breaking point. August 24, we started a new lifestyle. Nancy said, “Just eat what I give you.” That meant getting rid of all the foods I had eaten all my life, getting rid of the addictions. And then it meant eating foods I would have paid you money to avoid in the past. But the amazing thing is when you change what you feed your taste buds they change as well. So I make the break. Three days of miserable withdrawal. It was harder for me to give up chocolate than to give up heroin. I remember on the third night I was crying out to God. I said, “Jesus, you were so real for me. You set me free from heroin. I didn’t need it.” I said, “Surely the power of the Spirit is more powerful than the power of peanut M&Ms.” And that’s when I broke through, the third night. Okay, so I’m doing good now. I’m eating the new food. I’m starting to feel different. I’m starting to lose weight. I’m doing well. I’m into this two and half weeks now, Sid. I’m not feeling deprived anymore because dealing with our diets we mess up because we just cut back on the bad stuff instead of cutting it out. So the addictions are still there and we’re craving all the time, and we’re always wanting, our body is programmed to want more. I’m free from that. I came home from the radio one day, took a nap and then had to go teach a night class at our Bible school. And somehow I really wanted something sweet, and I thought that’s good. Fruit, that’s what the sweet tooth is for, fruits, and I was now loving fruits. And in the old days Nancy would send me to the store and say, can you get some stuff, and she’d have to describe the fruit to me because I didn’t know what it was.

 

SID: I got a new way to pepperoni pizza.

 

MICHAEL: I would have had a pepperoni with extra cheese, you bet. And I knew what Ben and Jerry’s Super Fudge New York Ice Cream was. That I knew. But when I started eating healthily, I’d send her pictures, and she said, “What are these?” She says, “These are blackberries. They’re good to eat them.” I said, “Okay, great, I’ll eat them.” So I’d eat fruit. That’s it. Well there’s no fruit in the house for some reason. But I was craving. So I go to the store, just a convenience store at a gas station, maybe they have them. No, they don’t have any fruit. What am I going to do? The fruit juices there have sugar and I don’t want to have any sugar. I finally find something that looks healthy and I think, okay, I’m going to have this. But I thought, I can’t live like this. You’re never going to have a slice of pizza the rest of your life, you’re never going to have chocolate the rest of your life. You’re going to have fruits the rest of your life. I hit my breaking point, Sid. I am here, literally, I’m about to teach a night class and I feel the weight of this coming down. I can’t do it. And literally I’m sitting in my car and I start crying like a baby, literally two minutes before the class, I can’t, God, I can’t live like this the rest of my life, no pizza, no chocolate. [mumbling] I can’t do it. Crying like a baby. And two things were happening, one, I was at the end of myself. I was literally going through this and I thought this is good because this means grace is kicking in because you can’t do it. On the other side, the flip side, I was watching myself laughing as it was happening. I wiped the tears from my eyes. I got into teach and that was last night I had a struggle. It has been easy. There has been [unintelligible]. And there’s a supernatural anointing. Listen, why do we think of it in other areas? Why do we think of it as just getting free from pornography or free from drug addiction, or free from alcoholism, even free from depression? Why can’t we get free from bad habits and strongholds, and addictions? And Sid, I honestly believe for every one person who receives a miracle of healing by God’s grace, a hundred can receive a miracle of healing if they change their lifestyles. God put healthy stuff [here] and he gave it to us, and if we eat it, it’s life-transforming.

 

SID: Why would you say food is so addictive?

 

MICHAEL: All right, listen, we need food to live. That’s the first thing. So I was on a plane the other day and they come and offer me this, no, I don’t want it. I’m sitting there. Right in my face, do you want, how about this? They come with the best looking chocolate cake I’ve ever seen on a plane. And they put it right in my nose. Would you like this? Are you sure? Well you don’t have that. When I got free from drugs people weren’t coming up to me with cocaine and putting it in my nose, would you like this? So there’s a difference. So we need food to live and our standard American diet is deadly. It has all kinds of junk in it. You know when you have those potato chips the salt makes you want to have another one. Oreos actually have addictive qualities in them. A study was done by research, I read the study, where they addicted rats to Oreo cookies and to cocaine to see which was the more powerful addiction, which they would crave, and they wanted both equally. So there’s stuff in the food that’s addictive. And then we have a lifestyle that’s just built around us. We have a gluttonous lifestyle. You go to the restaurants and what do they serve? Would you like death by chocolate for dessert? The portions are massive and we’re much more sedentary. So it’s kind of a perfect storm of bad things coming together. And a lot of us have not learned good eating habits over our lives, and then the fast food lifestyle. And then as Christians, what do we do? Well we don’t submit to the sins of the world. We don’t get drunk, we don’t get enough sleep, but we eat. Everything we do is around food.

 

SID: It’s gluttony.

 

MICHAEL: It’s gluttony.

 

SID: Okay. How about your wife, how did she go along with this? She had her own problems.

 

MICHAEL: She changed first. Overweight, paralyzed, Nancy. And listen, women lose weight differently. They relate differently. They go through pregnancy, different things. And some women, they say, I look at food and I gain five pounds just when I look at.

 

SID: I’ve heard that.

 

MICHAEL: So she was paralyzed by being overweight. She hated it. She didn’t want to leave the house. She was just embarrassed. And here she was probably a little over 200 pounds and just not even 5-foot-3-inches tall. So it bothered her all the time. She had aches and pains, was tired, and she thought something is seriously the matter. And she had binged dieted before. She’d do a radical diet and lose 60, 70 pounds, and then her hair would start to fall out, and she’d feel terrible, and then she’d panic and she’d start to eat again. And for her, she just said she was a glutton. She loved to eat and she would just eat more and eat more, and eat more. And she had different tastes than I did, but she’d just pour it in. So she realized I have to change. Something has to change. And she cried out to God. And she read about nutrition for years and years, and years, and understood things and knew that if she just ate vegetables always, something was missing. And she began to read one doctor, read his stuff and thought, this makes sense. And she made the change herself, and when she made the change it was dramatic. Her whole life changed dramatically.

 

SID: How much weight did she lose?

 

MICHAEL: She went from a little over 200 pounds to 115 pounds. This was thinner than when I met her when we were both 19 years old.

 

SID: You know, I found out about what you were doing and I decided that I would do the same thing. I didn’t do it to lose weight. That was not my personal objective, although it wouldn’t hurt. But I did it for health reasons. My blood pressure was sky high and I was taking a blood pressure pill, and I was praying for all it was worth it, trust me. But it kept going up after the maximum dosage of pills. So I had to take another pill. I didn’t take it, but I knew I had to because it just kept inching up and up, and up. And so I did what Mike did, and would you believe, in one week my blood pressure went to normal. I didn’t need the second pill. And would you believe in one month I was taking that one pill, I cut it in half. And would you believe, I’m believing that in another month I won’t have to even have to have half of that pill. So you made me a believer in one week. You’re getting letters of people that are weeping when they get this revelation you got. Their whole lives are being transformed. Do you get many of these?

MICHAEL: It’s amazing. On a regular basis Nancy and I are hearing from people. Some of them have been desperate and they’re changing. One woman said, “Look, I was not going to be here for my four kids. I’m a type 2 diabetic. I have all these health issues. My mother died young and I was going to die young, and you have given me back my life.” And they’re off diabetes medication. It’s just an amazing, amazing story, Sid.

 

SID: Okay, I’ll tell you what, when we come back I want to get some clues how to get rid of those strongholds, because guess what, just about everyone I’m speaking to is dealing with it.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest believes that 99 percent of all sicknesses and diseases can be reversed if you change your eating habits. Would you like to find out? Now I’m with my good friend, Dr. Michael Brown. Mike, how long have we known each other?

 

MICHAEL: We became friends in 1984.

 

SID: That’s a long time.

 

MICHAEL: Thirty-three years.

 

SID: And I remember your wife saying, “I’m so worried about my husband. He could eat pizza three meals a day.” Could you?

 

MICHAEL: Listen, I taught at a Bible school on Long Island from ’83 to ’87, and two miles from the school was one of the best New York pizzas I ever ate at in my life. We estimated at that pizzeria I had 3000 slices of pizza in four years at one pizzeria.

 

SID: Now if someone had walked up to you back then, and your wife probably did, and said, “Mike, are you addicted to food,” what would you have said?

 

MICHAEL: No, of course not. I was addicted to drugs. I was shooting heroin, using LSD, a crazy lifestyle. I was addicted to the needle. But no, I wasn’t addicted to food. Although if you pressed me about it and said don’t have pizza for a week I probably would have gotten the shakes. And if you said you can’t have chocolate, listen, I used to have Oreos for breakfast when I was boy growing up. I had chocolate almost every day of my life for years, and if I went without it, it would be withdrawal. But I didn’t connect it to be addicted, a chocoholic, because I’m a man of God.

 

SID: Were you addicted?

 

MICHAEL: Of course I was addicted. I was a slave to it.

 

SID: Three years ago, describe what your health and weight was.

 

MICHAEL: All right. I was pushing hard in ministry. I was going for it, I was working out, but I weighed 275 pounds. My blood pressure was 149/103. My cholesterol was as high as 230, the good was low, the bad was high. I had three to four headaches a week, constant lower back pain, drained, tired all the time, severe sleep apnea. I needed a breathing machine, anywhere I traveled around the world, had to have that. And I was getting worn out. And I remember sitting with Nancy for the first time in my life, because at this time I was 59 years old, for the first time I said, “I’m getting tired about the future.” I couldn’t wait for tomorrow. I couldn’t wait for next year. I was getting worn out and it was all due to years of unhealthy eating.

 

SID: What would you say pushed this dramatic, I mean, I still can’t get over, 33 years I’ve known him. I saw him sitting in the back, here, I wouldn’t have even recognized him, really. Now if he opened his mouth and talked I would have. How much weight did you lose?

 

MICHAEL:  I lost 95 pounds in less than eight months, not by dieting, but by changing my lifestyle dramatically. Blood pressure went from 149/103 down to 100/65. Cholesterol went down from 230 to 123. The good is now to where it’s supposed to be, the bad is where it’s supposed to be. Haven’t had a headache in two and half-plus years, no more back pain, no more breathing machine. My immune system is strong, energy level totally off the charts, and this was by God’s grace. God broke through. God helped me to make a radical change. And Sid, if he can help me, trust me, he can help anybody.

 

SID: This is hard for me to believe. When I think of my friend Dr. Brown I see him as a champion of standing up for the Word of God. And yet he reached a breaking point in which he cried like a baby. We’ll be right back.

Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural.

 

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Most believers do not know this, but the recent presidential election was designed by the evil one to destroy many of your destinies. You don’t know this, but you see the devil wasn’t concerned. You think the devil was concerned about voting? No. He was concerned about your heart. Next on this edition of It’s Supernatural. Most of you think the very first transgression in the Bible was Eve eating that forbidden fruit, but Kynan, you said no.

 

KYNAN: No.

 

SID: What was it?

 

KYNAN: The first transgression in the Bible was slander.

 

SID: Slander?

 

KYNAN: Yes. Because the Bible says that Satan or the serpent came to Eve and he began to question God’s reputation. You see, slander is defined as a damaging statement about someone’s character or reputation. When Eve was presented with the opportunity to eat the fruit, the enemy told her that you will not surely die. In other words, God is not telling you the truth. He said one thing, but he means something else and it was her doubt and her suspicion that caused her to disobey commands. You see, the word “Satan” actually is the Hebrew “Shatan” and it means an adversary, but it also means one who breaks faith. In other words, when there is slander operating, our faith and trust in the character of the person slandered is damaged, is broken so that we no longer see them the same way again. And that’s exactly what happened to Eve in the garden.

 

SID: But look at the repercussion.

 

KYNAN: Yes.

 

SID: Do you think it could be serious for a believer that the repercussion, in fact, you call something the demonic trio.

 

KYNAN: Yes.

 

SID: Explain that.

 

KYNAN: Well I believe that slander and gossip, and offense is what I call the demonic trio, in other words, slander, gossip and offense. And I want us to think about it this way. Imagine somebody had a debilitating virus like bacterial meningitis, for example. You can carry bacterial meningitis and not even know you have it. Guess where you carry it? In your mouth. So when somebody releases the virus or the bacteria it can infect another person and get pass their blood brain barrier into their brain and kill them. So I believe that what Satan has done has attempted to infect the church with offense and his means of doing that is through slander and gossip.

 

SID: You know, I have never seen a time in my entire that it’s almost okay to slander and gossip when let’s say, take the most recent presidential election. I mean, families are being divided. I’ve never seen such division and it’s like we watch the news, and you put it in and it comes out, and we’re saying the same negative things. It’s hateful. How does a Christian fall into such a trap?

 

KYNAN: Well it’s very simple. Why would Eve risk everything because of a conversation?

 

SID: She wouldn’t.

 

KYNAN: Watch this. When we talk about the serpent and how he spoke to Eve, the word “serpent” actually means divination, which means that what was happening to Eve while she was listening to the accuser, she was being brought under a spell. And Sid, there are millions of Christians who are spellbound. They are literally under a satanic influence. You see, people don’t recognize that slander is actually a form of witchcraft and I’ll tell you why. The definition of witchcraft in the New Testament is the word, “pharmakeia.” It means where we get the word “pharmacy” from, illicit drugs, drugs that put people in an altered state of consciousness, drugs that manipulate and control. Well guess what Sid, we have many pharmacists in the church and in the schools, and in the families. These are people who with their words poison other people and bring those people into a spell, bring them into an altered state of consciousness so that they don’t even realize what they’re doing anymore. They don’t realize what they’re saying. And I always ask people this question: Who’s in your ear? Who are you listening to?

 

SID: But what someone hears doesn’t really affect them. Most people think it’s nothing.

 

KYNAN: Oh no, no, no, absolutely. What we hear affects every aspect. First of all, the first thing that we hear, it affects what we see. You see, when Eve heard the conversation she saw the tree differently. When I hear something it affects everything that I see. It affects my ability to perceive, my ability to see, my ability to see things clearly.

 

SID: How would that affect our destiny?

 

KYNAN: Well that has a power to stagnate your destiny. I’ll give you an example. The Lord gave me a vision and I saw two believers, they were outside of a church and they were talking. And as they were talking to each other there were two demons on each of their shoulders, and the demons would whisper lies into their ears. Now Sid, they never even questioned whether or not these were true statements. Now watch this. As they begin to hear these whispers in their ear, they begin to look at each other differently. Their countenance has changed. Then the most dramatic thing happened. You want to know what happened in my vision? The demons began to vomit on each of the believers and it was like this slime. It was this filthy slime. And I asked God, I said, “God, what is that?” He said. “That’s slander, gossip and offense.” He said, “It is a substance from the underworld.” What if I told people that slander and offense was a satanic substance that can contaminate their spiritual life and keep them from fulfilling their destiny, literally keep you from realizing God’s purpose for your life and abort your destiny prematurely.

 

SID: That’s pretty serious stuff. That’s as serious as what happened to Eve as far as I’m concerned.

 

KYNAN: That’s right.

 

SID: What about sickness? Can it affect our health?

 

KYNAN: I was ministering to people and I was trying to figure out why people weren’t getting healed. And God told me, he said, “You’re not dealing with the right thing. You need to address the elephant in the room. So I began to pray for people who had been lied on, people who had been offended, who had been hurt. And I called an altar call. One woman came down who had been devastated. I mean her body was wracked with rheumatoid arthritis. Now with further investigation we realized that this woman had been through a nasty divorce, her husband had said awful things about her. She was bitter toward him and as a result it was affecting her health. When I led her through a prayer of release she was instantly healed.

 

Woman: God, set me free of bitterness in Jesus’ name. I’m healed! I’m healed!

 

KYNAN: She went to the doctor and they couldn’t even find any rheumatoid in her body anymore. So we see that what we accept into our heart has tremendous ramifications even for our health.

 

SID: I believe that man of you, you’re out of control. I even see myself doing it when I watch the news and I hear these things. My temper, my anger goes up. But you know what, there is a vaccine and when you take this vaccine you will have it under control, and when you have it under control you will walk in the promises of God. When we come back we’ll hear about this vaccine.

JOHN:  That movie was AWESOME!  And so I come along and say God is awesome and you go so was my burger and so was the movie. What does awesome mean? Full of awe.  See we use words so loosely today we lose the power of them. The Hebrews they were so careful, so very rarely does a Hebrew elevate to the third degree. Right? So, so  here’s Isaiah. He is before the throne of God. It has to be a spiritual vision, he couldn’t have been there in his body. And he’s there in the spirit, he’s groveling on the floor, these massive angels are not singing a song, they’re responding to what they see. They’re not singing, these seraphim. You know what? I’ve been, I’ve been, I’ve been here for ten trillion years. God, can I go see some other parts in the universe? They don’t, they don’t want that. They don’t want to be anywhere else. Because there’s nothing in creation more beautiful than the Creator. And so every moment another facet of His glory is being revealed. And all they can do is cry “holy!” And they’re crying “Holy” so loud the doorposts of that auditorium, that can seat probably a billion people are shaking. And you know what builders told me when I lived in Florida, they said if you’re ever stupid enough to hang around when a hurricane comes through, get underneath the door jams of the interior room of the house, it’s the most stable part of the structure. Their cries of responding to what they see are shaking a building in heaven that seats a million, a billion people.   Do you understand Isaiah’s groveling, he’s groveling on the ground, “I’m coming apart at the seams” and he’s crying out “Woe is me” because he realized who he was before this holy God. Look, don’t get me wrong. Jesus brought us and reconciled us back to the Father. But He’s still God, and in the New Testament He’s still called “the consuming fire.” He’s still called “the just and holy God” in the New Testament. So we have to understand Him as Daddy and we have to know Him as King. And when you understand that when we know Him as Daddy, [and] we know Him as King, we leave a very healthy life. Can I pray for you tonight?

AUDIENCE:                 Yeah.

JOHN:  You say, John, you know what? “Can I tell you, let me tell you this. How did this all begin with me? I went to a church back in the mid-nineties. They had just had an internationally-known revivalist. He was there for 4 weeks. The community had 60,000 people in it and the church had a 1000 members. They had 1/60th of the community in that church. It was a hopping church. I went in there and I preached a little bit on the fear of the Lord, much lighter version of what you heard tonight “cause I didn’t know what I know now. The next night when I got up to speak again the pastor got up and corrected me for 15 minutes. He said, “We don’t. John is confused, we do not have to fear the Lord because the Bible says “perfected love casts out fear,” we have the Father, we love Him, we don’t have to fear Him.” Well he confused the spirit of fear with the fear of the Lord. And I’ll never forget I went out the next day and I found a construction site “cause I like love praying outside. And I remember I literally, I, I was terrified, I thought “God, I hurt your church, I’ve been corrected by a pastor for 15 minutes before I was introduced last night.” And I said, “I’ve hurt Your church, I’m so sorry.” And I remember crying out to God. And I didn’t feel his displeasure, I felt His pleasure. And before that prayer time was over I found myself crying out for the fear of the Lord.           And that’s how my whole journey began. And so tonight I want to pray with you that the same Holy Spirit of the fear of the Lord will manifest and fill your life. Because you know the Bible says “the fear of the Lord is safe.” I don’t know about you but I want to be safe. Right? It’s too, too messed up of a world right now. And I’m not scared of the world, believe me I’m not scared. When you’re safe you’re fearless when it comes to the world. Okay? You don’t go hide, you’re fearless. You’re going to serve who you fear. If you fear God you’re not going to fear anything the world has to throw at you. But if you fear men you’re going to serve men. I don’t know about you but I want to serve God. Amen?

AUDIENCE:                 Amen.

JOHN:  So if you say, “John, I want fear of the Lord” I want you to just, if you’re watching by video or if you’re in here tonight, just lift up your hands right now. And so Father, we come before You. You are the spirit of wisdom, You are the Spirit of might, You are the spirit of understanding, the spirit of counsel. You are the Spirit of the Lord God, but You are also the Spirit of the fear of the Lord. It is that manifestation we desire tonight, we ask You for tonight. I’m asking, Heavenly Father, in Jesus” name, that You would baptize every one of us with a fresh baptism of the Holy Spirit of the fear of the Lord. May Your Presence manifest, in Jesus” name. There’s His presence right there, just lift your hands up. In Jesus” name. There’s His presence right there. Father, thank you, for what You’re doing in here right now. Even as people are being filled, their bodies are being healed. There’s chronic pain that is been suffered in someone’s back and you will not suffer that chronic pain any longer because it’s like oil that is pouring right down your spine even right now. Others of you are having joint problems, arthritic problems, we curse it now, because the fire of God is literally revitalizing those joints. The presence of the Lord is in this place, somebody’s foot’s being healed. I don’t know what’s wrong with your foot but your foot’s being healed right now. I break the power of nightmares, reoccurring nightmares that have plagued you, no they’re not messages from God and they are not condemning messages to you. They are a demonic attack and I break that attack off of your life in the name of Jesus. Now Lord, I thank You for freedom in this room and I thank you for your presence manifesting, In Jesus” name, amen. Amen. Can we thank God for what He’s done? Amen, Amen, Amen. God bless you!

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JOHN:  So Jesus says “No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing,” the master’s ways, his secrets, his wisdom. “But I now have called you friends.” Now here’s His universal decree to the whole church. This is John 15:14, you ready? Jesus said, “You are my friends…” Now we always stop it right there. We sing songs about it, we preach sermons about it, we write books about Jesus being our friend, right? But we never finish the statement. Because He said, “You are my friends if.” Now “if” where I come from in Colorado is a “condition.” Okay? In other words, if I look at you and I say, “I will pay you 2000 dollars if you work for me next month.” Did you hear the word “if?” IF you work for me next month. So you don’t do anything for me next month and then you come to me saying “where’s my 2000 dollars?” I say forget it. I told you I would pay you the 2000 IF you work for me next month. You didn’t work for me the next month therefore you don’t get the 2000. We all understand that. Why don’t we understand it when it comes to the Bible? Because Jesus said, “You are my friends IFÖ” Well, what’s the condition? You want to know it? He said “You are my friends IF you do WHATEVER I command you.” There it is, the fear of the Lord, trembling at His word. You know what Jesus is saying? Not everybody in the church is My intimate close friend. But He passionately desires everyone to be His close friend. Because James 4:5 says “the Spirit who dwells in us yearns.” To yearn means to long for intensely and consistently. He yearns for our intimate fellowship. He yearns for our friendship intensely. So He yearns, but you see He loves us so much He wants to protect us so we’re not a statistic like Ananias and Sapphira or an example like Ananias and Sapphira. So can you imagine, here’s God wanting to come down, wrap His big arms around Israel and reveal Himself to them because He said “I brought you out to reveal you to Myself.” But He comes down and they all run away. And if you keep reading you’ll find out in Deuteronomy chapter 5, God reviewed that account with Moses. And God said: You know what, Moses? I really, really wanted to reveal Myself to all of them but they didn’t fear Me so I couldn’t. So I told them to go to their tents and I told you to come stand by Me and I talked to you face to face and My voice to them was like thunder. You know people ask me all the time they say where do you get these revelations from your book? Can I be really honest with you? I believe what God has revealed has come out of the fear of the Lord. And can I tell you something? The fear of the Lord and humility run hand in hand. Okay? The person who truly fears God, let me tell you something, you become much more humble. A lack of humility in a person’s life is a lack of the fear of the Lord. If you look at, if you look at Isaiah. Isaiah’s a, he’s a, he’s a godly man, he’s a preacher of holiness, of righteousness. I mean if you look at his book, Isaiah 4, 5, chapters 4 and 5, “Woe to the ungodly, Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, Woe to the drunkard, right? When it comes to Isaiah 6 and he gets one glimpse of the Lord, it’s no longer “Woe is the drunkard.” It’s “Woe is me.” And you know what he says? He says “I’m coming apart at the seams,” that’s literally what he’s saying. Because for the first time in Isaiah’s life, even though he’s a preacher of righteousness, he realized who it really was he was serving and for the first time in his life he realized who he was before this holy God. Because you’ve have to remember these seraphim are massive angels. And when he saw the Lord, these seraphim were covering their faces and one was crying to the other, “Holy, Holy, Holy.” Now we wrote a song and people sleep when we sing the song, it’s a hymn, “holy, holy, holy,” and people, half the people are sleeping, right? That is not what they’re doing. They are responding to what they see. Every moment another facet of His holiness is being revealed. Okay? His greatness is being revealed and all they can do is cry “Holy.” Now they’re not crying “holy, holy, holy” three times. That’s a Hebrew form of writing. I’ve got an expert here in Sid. Whenever the Hebrews want to emphasize a word they’d write it twice. Like when Jesus said “Verily, Verily, I say unto you.” Right? If you were in that room He would have said “VERILY, I say to you.” When He said “Not everybody who says to me, Lord, Lord.” You would have heard it like this, “Not everybody who says to me LORD is going to enter the kingdom of heaven.” They go whoa, we got to emphasize it. They write it twice. They would, we today we boldface, we italicize, right? We put all caps. The Hebrew writers would write it twice. Very rarely does a Hebrew writer elevate it to the third degree. Okay? You see it in the Book of Revelations when the angels go “Woe, Woe, Woe.” They don’t go “Woe” three times. They are railing “Woe” so loud that John writes it three time because Hebrews really respect words. Okay? And so they won’t ever, you know we overemphasize, Naaa, (slaps table) you got to eat at an “In and Out Burger.” IT’S AWESOME! Right?

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHING)

Sid:  Of all Biblical Festivals to be talking about tonight begins Rosh Hashanah the Feast of Trumpets and for the next 10 days it’s the days of awe in which we pray and we fast and we plead “God do not remove our name from the Book of Life” and then it culminates on Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement.  I have on the telephone Kevin Howard he’s a Hebraic scholar and Bible teacher and he has authored a book that is magnificent. It’s a hardback book with the most beautiful color photographs and paintings to take you within every major Biblical Festival and understand it. The scriptures will become so alive to you. For instance, we’re talking about Rosh Hashanah this evening and Yom Kippur. Now Kevin tell me a bit about Yom Kippur and let’s zero in on something that most of us have heard about but don’t really understand the 2 goats.

Kevin: Okay well Yom Kippur for those maybe just joining us today is the Day of Atonement.  And it was on that day in ancient Israel during the days of the Temple that the High Priest would go into the Holy of Holies once on that day only would he go in no other day of the year but that day would he go into where the Arc of the Covenant was in the Holy of Holies.  Now you mentioned the 2 goats, the 2 goats were part of the sacrifices for the people of Israel on that day.  And the Day of Atonement its purpose was to provide a covering, or an atonement, for Israel’s sins and the nations wins over the past year. So on that day there would be sacrifices for the people of Israel. And actually it’s very interesting the sacrifice was a double sacrifice. There were 2 goats as you mentioned that were brought out for the nation 2 black goats identical in every way and lots would be drawn and one of the lots would say “For the Lord.” That goat would be sacrificed and his blood would be taken in and sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant and upon the altar.  But the other goat the lot would come up and say in Hebrew “For Azul” or literally for escape and hence from that we know that goat as the scapegoat because it was not killed. But yet the High Priest would put his hands on the scapegoat’s head and confess the sins of the people on it and that goat then would be lead out into the wilderness and to an uninhabited place the scripture said and never be seen again.  And prophetically and significantly for the people it indicated that their sins were being carried away and being remembered no more. So it was a double sacrifice but it’s interesting Sid you mentioned about the scapegoat that scapegoat would be marked because obviously 2 black goats identical it might be easy to mix them up. It was marked with a red cord or crimson cord tied to its horn and it’s just interesting that rabbinic tradition in the Talmud that the Jewish commentaries written after the time of the Temple they describe that crimson cord.  It’s very interesting they say that roughly around 30 AD from then until the destruction of the Temple until the last 40 years that that crimson cord no longer turned white.

Sid: But before that date it always turned white.

Kevin: That’s what the promise says you know I’m not going to go way out and hang on to that 100% dogmatically since it’s not scripture. But it’s interesting that tradition says that the cord would turn white signifying that God had accepted the sacrifice and that the people’s sins have been dealt with.

Sid: So we might say “From the date that Yeshua was crucified, buried and rose from the dead God no longer for the next 40 years accepted the sacrifices on Yom Kippur.

Kevin: That’s what we would draw definitely from that statement and it’s very perplexing very upsetting for the rabbis as the discussed that.

Sid: Let me ask you something in the book you have this beautiful chart of Israel’s temple in the 1^st century and you have it color coded for each part of the Temple and for different ingredients and I think it’s wonderful the way you work that into every Biblical festival so that someone can go back to that and really see what you’re talking about when it refers in the Temple.

Kevin: That’s exactly why I put it in there is obviously most of us can’t go to Israel today or certainly not on a regular basis or even if we did there’s no temple. So what would it be like for us step back 2000 years and be in the temple and understand the temple worship? I think when we understand that it opens up not only the book of Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy but also the Gospels and what Jesus was doing there in that temple of Israel.  So I have the chart there I have it color coded with letters and numbers so that as we’re working through the feasts and describing the Biblical observance the reader can look at that in his mind’s eye see exactly where the priests were moving and where the sacrifices were made the whole observance where it was done in days of temple.

Sid: Now but you told me earlier that you wrote this book not just for Christians but also Jewish people that do not know the Messiah.

Kevin: Yes exactly I wrote it in such a way so that it’s coming from a very Jewish perspective and obviously not every Jewish person won’t be open to open to read a treatment of the feasts that says that “Jesus is the Messiah.” But for the Jewish person who’s searching and open to know the truth this book will not be offensive in any way but yet there will be a great affinity in relation to it as far as Him umpiring his own observance in just his own cultural context that he’s in. That’s part of what I believe as our Messiah’s Ambassadors is to go where people are and deal with them in that culture context and bring them to the Lord with the Gospel.

Sid: And I notice that there was a co-author Marvin Rosenthal this man is just a wealth of knowledge of Jewishness.

Kevin: Marvin is a great friend whom I’ve ministered with for the majority of the past 20 years.  He grew up in Philadelphia he’s from a very conservative Jewish background and upbringing and yes he co-authored the book with me and brings a lot of important light to the Feasts and the topics we discussed.

Sid: Now out of curiosity why is the paper such good quality I mean it’s thick paper why are the colors so vibrant. I mean this isn’t just a book that you read and your put on the shelf and you forget about. I mean it’s a book that intrigues you to get in it almost begs you to get into it.

Kevin: Well I laugh because I really feel to have you say that because that was part of our hearts desire to make this book something different. It’s not just a reference book on the feasts it’s much much more than that but part of it is just an experience of seeing and understanding it turns on, at least our goal was turn on the readers minds to what’s happening visually within scripture. And part of that happens to be color and photographs and types of paper.  And interesting Thomas Nelson the publishers at first they didn’t want to do some of these things because it’s very expensive or they don’t normally do that. Yet as we showed them what we were doing they became very excited and then went ahead with the full color throughout the whole book. And I believe that’s really the key unique point to this book it adds a visual dimension to the book.

Sid: Now of course Marvin Rosenthal is Jewish and Kevin you have a Jewish background but you were raised in a Christian home.

Kevin: Yes.

Sid: I tell me why this is so important to you really from your heart why?

Kevin: From my heart my passion is that these feasts point prophetically to Jesus the Messiah history’s most stellar individual the Messiah of Israel Son of God, Son of David, the Anointed One, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. He is absolute center to all history it all hangs and rests on Him. What He did in His first coming, our Passover Lamb, His burial taking our sins far away and not being king in the grave. Becoming our First Fruits guaranteeing us that we will rise again and live forever with Him. And in finally saying the Holy Spirit will bring us into the New Covenant. And then the last 3 Feasts dealing with His Second Coming what He’s yet to do to bring in the Kingdom all of the promises of all the ages to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob we haven’t seen them all fulfilled but we will. And Messiah will come bodily as Son of David, sit on David’s throne, rule from Jerusalem forever and ever and all of the promises are true God will deal with sin.  And it’s all going to come to pass but it is all wrapped up in the person of Messiah that we call Jesus in Hebrew Yeshua.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Mary Jo Clouse and I’m speaking to her at her home in Lake Mary, Florida.  And for the last 7 years she’s been one of the featured speakers at Charisma Women’s Conference and the things she has great satisfaction is from year to year many of the same women come back to her workshops when they say they’ve had total changes in their life.  She’s just written a book called “Getting Free” and it’s a subject that most Christians are aware of however they really don’t understand.  It has to do with generational curses and the consequence and the suffering that people go through because of perhaps a sin that an ancestor committed.  And how in the world did you first find out about this Mary Jo?

Mary Jo: Well I got saved in 1971 and I read a lot of the Word. I was very hungry for the Word of God and I had a pile of female problems at the time and the doctor told me I had to have surgery. So they brought out several people to get healed and seldom see any change and few that got healed but I also knew that I was the mother of 2 children and I needed to get on with my life and at that point the only answer I saw was to have the surgery and I’m not against doctors had it not been for doctors I would not have been alive today.  And so I had the surgery and then after the surgery I started having a lot of depression and they said that it was hormone imbalance.  And so I took Valium for the hormone imbalance and I didn’t think…you know it helped to maintain me but one day I realized that I was taking a prescribed drug and I was dependant on that drug.  And that without it I couldn’t function because I had run out of the drug and so what it was it was like a progression of illnesses that happened in my life after I got over…I got rid of depression, got rid of the valium and got rid of depression and I immediately started having low blood sugar. And I would have fainting spells and had to have adrenaline shots and I was on a lot of medication. See my sister had died just before this she had died at the age of 48 with sugar diabetes. And then I got over that I got healed and I truly  got healed miraculously every time there was a healing line I’d go up in the healing line and people laid hands on me and pray for me. I was reading the healing scriptures in Isaiah 53 that said “He was wounded for my transgressions, He was bruised for my iniquities and chastisement and his peace was upon me and by His stripes I’m healed.” And I was reading the healing scriptures daily and I would take my medication and before I would take my medication I would read my healing scriptures I would pray the healing scriptures and I would take communion. So I knew that God healed but what I didn’t understand was I would have one sickness and then I would have another one.  So about the time I got over the low blood sugar and was healed and was excited about that. My 43 year old brother died of a heart attack.  Well after he died of a heart attack I started having chest pains and angina pains.  Went to the doctor and they said I had high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and heart problems they wanted to do a heart catheterization.  But I went home and went on a fast and then I told the Lord I don’t want to go that route I saw my brother going through all of that and then he still died there must be an answer in the word of God on what’s going on my life.  As I was on a fast the Lord led me to the Deuteronomy 28.  At first He told me I was reading in the New Testament in Galatians book 3 verse 13 which says “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law He was made a curse for us.  For it was written cursed is everyone that is hanged on a tree.”  And verse 14 says “If the blessings of Abraham are on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”  Now as soon as the true word says I’m delivered through the curse of the law. And the curse of the law is poverty, sickness and death.  And yet my sister has died was a church she was a Christian.  My brother who was an Assembly of God Minister died and left 2 teenage children and I know that there’s a better way of living that we don’t have to live under the curse of the law. And I asked myself “Did I have any bitterness or unforgiveness toward people because I had been studying the word and being around other people knew that bitterness and unforgiveness would cause back problems and all sorts of sickness. And I examined myself anytime we do we will find someone that we have some sort of bitterness and unforgiveness and so I repented of all of that and I God to forgive me.  During the time that He led to Deuteronomy 28 that was where He said in verse 1 “It shall come to pass that you shall harken diligently to the voice of the Lord thy God to observe and to do all of His commandments which I command the this day the Lord thy God will set you on high above all of these nations of the earth. And all of these blessings shall overtake thee as they shall harken to the Lord thy God.”  I said God on one hand being blessed and I’m not being ungrateful but on the other hand the sickness keeps coming to me so why is it coming? Because I read on down to the 50^th verse that says that “If I didn’t harken to the voice of the Lord my God and didn’t obey Him all of these curses would come upon me.” Well I said Lord “I’ve gone through sugar diabetes, low blood sugar, I’ve gone through heart problems, back problems and had horrible migraine headaches right after the surgery the depression kind of thing. So I was just asking the Lord questions and I begin to study this and I began to get up early in the morning and I would pray this scripture I would pray Deuteronomy 28:1-14.  I began to do…I wanted to put in my heart what God had in His word for me because He said “Study to show yourself approved a workman worthy of your calling.”  And I didn’t want to be sick and beat up all of the time. And so it was during that time a book fell in my hands on blessing and cursing and if any of your ancestors have been involved in free masonry or Woodmen of the World or any secret society that could bring a curse. And so I knew that my grandfather on my mom’s side had been in masonry and my grandmother was an eastern star and I just said “Well Lord I don’t know what to do about that.”  So He led me to Daniel I think it is in the 1^st chapter I’m not sure where it is…the 10^th Chapter Daniel the 10^th chapter Daniel repented for the sins of Israel.  And so I said “Well Daniel was not a bad person he was not a sinner he was taken into captivity why does he have to repent for the sins of his ancestors?”  Well I thought to myself “Well it seems we have enough sins of our own without having to repent for the sins of our ancestors.” But I was seeking an answer for my problem so I’m going to read and just listen to God.  And so that was when I realized that I could repent I recognized that I had a problem and then I repented for the sins of my ancestors, I repented for any of my family that had played into Free Masonry.

Sid: Mary Jo you repented what happened to you did you feel anything did you see anything?

Mary Jo: I felt a heaviness leaving my body and I felt the restriction in my chest that brought about a lot of angina pain.  I felt the pain leave my body at that time and then I was able to breathe freely.

Sid: Did you realize that at that moment that you were set free of that curse?

Mary Jo: I don’t think I realized it fully at that time but I just saw my health again begin to improve and I just started walking like a half mile a day and then went up to 5 miles a day.  And then that was when I knew that I knew that my health had changed fantastically.  And then I pressed in and studied even more about the blessings and curses at that time and started teaching on it at that time. Because it talks about if I had been in the occult and I was out doing my own thing about 17 years of age I rebelled and I decided I didn’t need my mother’s religion and I was smarter than she was so I started delving into Jean Dixon and Edgar Casey and studying parapsychology and getting involved in Ouija boards. So I had to go through my house at that time and make sure that I had gotten rid of all of the books and all of the objects that I had. Now earlier in my Christian life we had already done that but I wanted to make sure that there was nothing that would give the devil an entry into our home or into our life. So I went through and thoroughly cleansed the house and got rid of anything that I thought might be connected with the occult.

Sid: So you see these generational curses whether we do it or an ancestor back 4 generations did it as obstacles to receiving the manifestations of healings when you pray in Jesus name.

Mary Jo: Yes because in Exodus 20 verse 5 it says that the sins of the father can be visited to the 4^th generation but the blessings of the Lord Jesus Christ will come to the 1000^th generation.

Sid: Well the blessings are a lot better.

Mary Jo: That’s what I thought I want the blessings.

Sid: (Laughing)

SID: Okay Dodie, there is something that I am overwhelmed with that I want our audience to be overwhelmed with. You have, your children so respect you and your husband, who is now in Heaven. Your children and you have such love. They have such honor for you.

DODIE: I know.

SID: The love that I see. You look around to be a servant. At your age, why do you do that? Come on now, Dodie.

DODIE: I don’t know why I do it. Jesus just puts it in my heart and Jesus would do it.

SID: Wen you pray for people you have the same compassion for them because of what you went through, I believe.

DODI: Probably so. I don’t even know if I’d be praying for people if I hadn’t gone through it myself.

SID: And there’s no important people in your life. There are just people.

DODIE: Just people.

SID: This woman doesn’t say it, but when I walked in to her presence I could feel the love of Jesus radiating out of her. Literally, Dodie, I don’t want to embarrass you, but I could feel that. I really could.

DODIE: I’m glad you did.

SID: And you don’t realize this, but I want to have, and I believe a lot of you do, I want to have the same compassion that you have.

DODIE: Sid, you do. I see it in you.

SID: Well thank you. But I’m not satisfied. I’m not going to be satisfied, Dodie, until I pray for someone that has an amputation just from the knee down and that foot is missing, that leg is missing. And I want to have the compassion of Jesus and pray for them, and that foot is going to go zoom, come right out.

DODIE: That’s what I want, too.

SID: Okay. I want you to pray for me and for every one of you that want that same compassion, that gift of love. I do not believe that Joel Osteen would be the person that he is today if it wasn’t for John and Dodie Osteen. You put that into them. Did you ever think Joel was going to be?

DODIE: No. He’s the last one in the world I would have thought would have pastored.

SID: Really?

DODIE: Yes. In fact I wanted him to go to college. Sid, I was so wrong. He went one year and dropped out and said he didn’t feel like going back another year. He wanted to start TV ministry. I said, “Son, I want you back.”

SID: Wait, he wanted to start a TV ministry for your husband, not for himself.

DODIE: Yes. That was 17 years before he became a pastor. And I was wrong and John was right. He said, “Son, you follow your heart.” Because it was just a little while later that his daddy died. And then he became a pastor. He told me God called him to be a pastor.

SID: Do you know his audience, I just found out, is 40 million a month. Would you have ever thought that, ever?

DODIE: Never. God has given him such favor and he is a real man. He’s real.

SID: I also found out something about him. I’ve never met him, but I found out something about your son. He hears from God.

DODIE: He does. He hears from God. He’s a very wise man.

SID: I want you to pray this for our audience.

DODIE: Okay. Father, I pray for the healing of people that are watching us today. Lord Jesus, you want your children well. You said you would give us the desires of our hearts. So do that for them, Father. Jesus, you said that you would restore health into us and heal us of our wounds. So I ask you to do that for your children, Father. I curse the diseases. I come against them just like Jesus spoke to the fig tree. I command them to wither and die, and leave, and never, ever, ever come back again. Father, you give the people the great wisdom to take care of their bodies and to do what you want them to do, Father. And Jesus, that compassion, we all need more compassion to be like you, Jesus. So give it to us, Father. Help us to all walk in love, Father, and not to criticize people, and not to see them as someone inferior, but to love them, Father, and to be kind to them and show the love that you have, Jesus, so that they in turn can be kind and be full of compassion. Jesus, help us not to judge people, but to see people as you do within eyes of love. And thank you, Father, for healing and making your children well, and restoring health, and healing us of all of our wounds. And bless Sid and help him to stay healthy and strong, and to keep doing good like he is for people all over the world.

SID: And you pray for Dodie right now if you’re home. And I’m going to tell you this, when you get to Heave

DODIE: Amen.

SID: But you know the first question Jesus is going to ask you, and I want you to ponder this, did you learn to love.

DODIE: Isn’t that sweet. Did you learn to love? That’s good. Oh my goodness. You make people feel so good.

Sid: I have a woman on the telephone that has spent 9½ years working with the Kathryn Kuhlman ministry.  And I’m reminded when those of you that are familiar with Kathryn Kuhlman’s ministry she used to come on television or on radio and she used to say something to the affect “Have you been waiting for me?”  Well I’ve been waiting for this interview with Patti Perior. Patti is on the telephone I’m speaking to her at her home in Porter Ranch, California that’s sort of a suburb of Los Angeles.  And it seems as though many servants of God before they have a chance to even walk into their call there’s an attack on their life. It’s not always but I see this happening over and over again. And Patti when you were just a baby you had a hole in your heart and you were only going to live for 18 months but when you went into convulsions and you were dying what did your mother do?

Patti: My mother called a doctor we were living out in the country at the time and the doctor said “I’m sorry there’s nothing we can do for her.”  This is before they were doing heart surgery for a hole in the heart.  And he said “I told you Mrs. Lincoln you can only have your daughter for 18 months.  So she hung up and being a nurse herself but she began to work with my throat I so stiffened I couldn’t even swallow. She began to massage my neck and I went into a deeper convulsion and she called the doctor again and the nurse said …oh she said “Oh the doctor said if you call again to give the morticians phone number I have it right here.” So my mother hung up and being a woman who’s so had prayed for a baby daughter she began to walk to town.  She wrapped me up she was going to walk to the hospital.  When she went over a little bridge I went into another convulsion so she went under the bridge unwrapped me and put me in the water and dedicated my life to Jesus wrapped me up and took me home again. I began to get better but as time went on I couldn’t run and play like other children I would just pass out. But when I was 9 years old my heart’s desire was I wanted to be a ballerina Sid.  So my mother had bought me a pair of ballerina slippers just to sit around the house and play in.  But I pick up the paper one day and I read where they were giving they were going to have a dance for crippled children and they were looking for tap dancers and ballerinas and modern dancers. So I snuck out of the house and I went down and I tried out for the part.  I put my shoes in a little brown sack and I got the part. So I snuck back in the house the interview was very close to the house as a matter of fact.  And I told my mother about it and she was very upset she said “I’ll take you to your doctors.” I had 3 doctors, 2 heart specialists and a pediatrician they all 3 said “It’s impossible her heart is so bad and she also…” I had come to a place of a lung disease and a blood disease all terminal.

Sid: So all…each one of the time was terminal of all 3 together?

Patti: They each one were terminal and this is why I had to be at that time partially in isolation because any extra germs would just take me.  So the last heart specialist said “She needs to go right into the hospital in isolation” and he said “Don’t ever expect her to come out.” But my mother said “I’m a nurse and I can take better care of her at home please but let her do this one thing let her go and do this dance.” So he said “Alright but that will be last time her feet touch the floor you will carry her down after the performance and put her in isolation.” So Sid my father had a full length raccoon coat and I did my little short dance at the Roxsy Theater and I went off in the sides my hus…my father scooped me up in this coat wrapped me up and took me home and I was put in isolation.  I began to get worse and my Sunday School Class every Sunday would come and put a rose outside my door and the room that was prepared for me was on off a porch had to be window.  People would come to the window and look through the window at me and they would dedicate songs on the radio to the little girl that was dying primary with this heart condition. But after being in bed for one year I was getting worse and worse and my skin was grey, I was 20 pounds underweight at the age of 9 and I could hardly lift my head off the pillow at this point. My mother came in 5 times a day and would give me just little bites it was just feeding a little bird a little bit at a time.  But one night Jesus Christ appeared at the end of my bed.

Sid: Were you praying for Him to come?

Patti: No it’s like the whole town it was praying for this little girl that was dying. And I could feel the presence of God in the room and I always believed in Jesus. I mean I didn’t know much of the Bible because of my life so much in isolation.  But Jesus Christ appeared to me and said “In the morning tell your mother you’re going to be alright.”

Sid: Now this was a number of years ago but what did He look like?

Patti: I almost cry to say that He was dazzling and the look of love that permeated from Him, the confidence that I felt when He spoke I knew whatever He said that is fact that’s it whatever He’s saying that’s the way that it will be. It gave me such love and security.  The next morning…

Sid: Did you believe before you actually got out of bed you would be healed based on what had occurred?

Patti: Yes I believed what He said is so just as a fact that I’ll be changed. The next morning my mother came in and I was sitting on the edge of my bed kicking my feet before I couldn’t sit up.  My cheeks were pink I was no longer grey and I said “Mommy Jesus came to me last night and He told me to tell you I’m going to alright.” And strength began to come through into my body and of course if you hadn’t walked for a year you’re a little wobbly but just as we used to check people out at the Kathryn Kuhlman Ministry before we take them on stage we would have them walk. And as they would walk it seemed like even more of the vibrancy of the Holy Spirit would enter in more fully and flow through them and the energy would just increase and increase. And when they were at a certain peak we knew this is it there just completely there is no shadow of a doubt that this one is healed and we would check them out in every way. And that’s what happened to me my mother she was a woman that I prayed for but so often we feel they’ll gradually get better, they’ll gradually get better and God by His mercy will perform this.  But I was instantly…

Sid: I like miracles healings are good but miracles are better there instant healings.

Patti: Yes.

Sid: Patti we’re out of time today and Mishpochah we’re going to find out that she’s a real sensitivity to the Holy Spirit walks in the prophetic in the miracle ministry.  And she said on next to the Bible a book that was very influential in her life is one called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” This author supernaturally found old manuscripts that had never been published by Smith Wigglesworth in California. He came to a house in California an old house and he went into the cupboard in the front room and found what he’d been looking for and praying for 37 messages from God’s apostle of faith Smith Wigglesworth.  Now Smith Wigglesworth prayed for at least 14 people that were dead that have come back to life and the author goes on to say this book is written around these unpublished sermons.  The lessons that the Holy Spirit taught me through the revelation give to Smith Wigglesworth starting those many years ago at Bible College are lessons that He, meaning God, wants to bring to many believers today.  This book is for those that want more of God who want to part of God’s end time army and are prepared to become flames of fire. My prayer is that some of the fire, some of the hunger, some of the revelation, some of the anointing and power on this man’s life may become yours. Patti how inspirational was this book to you “The Wigglesworth Standard?”

Patti: It caused me to desire more and more and more of Him. I wanted every crumb, every crumb to be manifested because I believed that this man Jesus performed through this man what He wants to be performed through His body.