SID: Now, most of you have probably heard of Kent Henry. He just informed me he’s done 60 worship albums and the thing you’ve done for 42 years, your passion is to usher believers into the presence of God. I have to believe that’s your passion too. You want to be in the presence of God. I’m going to take you back. You’ve been doing this for 42 years but at 19, you’re an athlete, you’re a rock musician, you must have thought the world was your oyster. I mean, everything was going right for you but you were depressed.

KENT: Right. After being a high level athlete and a lead singer in a band at 15 and half, depression came to my house. I thought I was king of the world but Jesus saved my life. Four years later some people mentioned Jesus to me, it was a family that I knew, I read a Four Spiritual Laws tract, gave my life to Jesus. I’ve never looked back. He took depression right off of me and I’ve been a happy camper ever since. It’s been very powerful.

SID: But you actually saw him at 19? What happened?

KENT: I’m glad you asked because my mom was a beautician for 42 years and I had been playing ice hockey, I had long hair. I was drying my hair late at night in her beauty shop with my, drying my long hair and I decided to look at the Four Spiritual Laws tract and I read it and threw it down. Something said pick it up again. I read it, God loves you, there’s a gap, receive Jesus. So I said, “Jesus, I don’t even know if you’re real but I’m asking you come into my life.” Sid, I tell you, out of the mirror in my mom’s beauty shop he appeared and stood in front of me and said, “You are my son, I love you.” I was changed. I could not believe this supernatural experience. That’s what he wants to do for anybody that will call on his name.

SID: Now, there’s a long time but I always ask this question. What did he look like?

KENT: Well, he had a white robe on. He had the gold sash, or belt and stuff and brown hair. But the thing is, he was speaking to me not with mouth but with his eyes. It was like so wild because I didn’t expect that to happen. It was like the warm grace of God embraced me. I felt like, he didn’t actually do this but I felt like I was taken into his arms and held as a son. It was beautiful.

SID: Now, when you got filled with the spirit and given a prayer language, I mean, a nice Baptist wasn’t enough, you had a Baptist and Catholic praying for you. Here you get the best of all worlds. Of course, you probably became a believer about the time I did.

KENT: Right.

SID: The only ones that were moving in the spirit were the Catholic charismatics at that time.

KENT: Yeah.

SID: They prayed for you and what was your experience?

KENT: Well, I was at a Newman House Center on the campus of the University of Missouri, St. Louis and I prayed during the mass, people that are from a Catholic background, for petitions. I prayed for anybody seeking the gifts of the Holy Spirit, especially speaking in tongues. Boy, it got really quiet. It was a folk mass but then a spirit filled Baptist guy named Steve and a spirit filled young lady, Maggie, came up to me after the mass and said, “Were you the one asking about the Holy Spirit?” I said, “Yes.” They said, “We can pray and you can be filled with the Holy Spirit.” I started taking my leather jacket off, I was on a motorcycle back in the day, and they said, “Well, we got to down in the basement.” I said, “Great. If the Holy Spirit’s in basement,” you know how these stories go. We went down there and I was listening to them praying with their prayer language and I was so amazed. I thought they were foreign exchange students or something because they were praying. And then, Steve bends down and goes, “Kent, stop listening to us and look at the Lord.” When I did, Holy Spirit filled me up. It was like a fresh oil, an oil came over me. I started praying in the Spirit.

SID: Did you realize when you said that, I felt the presence of God. I imagine something like you felt the presence of God.

KENT: It’s real.

SID: When you said that, it just, it like came down. Go ahead.

KENT: It’s real. Well, and then that warm oil. I started praying the Spirit and it was just so fluid I thought, “This is truly amazing.” There was a Baptist lady who was spirit-filled, I happen to call her. She says, “Kent, what tongues is is a prayer language.” I want to remind our viewers today, Sid, tongues is a prayer language that when you don’t know what to pray. I have used it every day since. I’m at the grocery story, Sid, I’m getting the peanut butter and the Oreos in the health food aisle, not really, but I pray in the Spirit and sometimes people overhear me and they just think I’m a foreigner. This is not my home, we’re going to be with the Lord one day, isn’t it cool? I really want to have people think about going back, power up in your prayer language again.

SID: Within a year after that experience, you became a worship leader and 5000, listen to this, 5000 young people were saved, filled with the spirit, and radical. You would have meeting once a week, something like 1550 to 2000, what would you say was the attraction of these young people? Young people in those numbers don’t go to something.

KENT: Here it comes. So ’74, ’75 and ’76, I’m only … by the way, I was Spirit-filled Easter night of 1974, in April. They asked me to lead worship two months later. So two and half years after that, that’s when all those kids got saved. We had 1500 every Saturday night from 7:00 to 10:30, think about the length of the meeting.

KENT: Here’s what it was, Sid. It was winds of the Spirit and waves of worship. It was irresistible because our Jesus is irresistible. The kids were coming out of sleeping with their girlfriend and sin and drugs and everything else. They came in and got saved and Spirit-filled. It just ran for almost over three years that we saw that happen. I believe it was the winds of the Holy Spirit effectively just transforming hearts and then it was the waves of worship.

KENT: We knew … somehow, Sid, the Lord said, “I’m going to show you about worship.” I remember I was leading worship, I’m a guitar player first, a piano second, I was leading worship and I turn around I said, “Let the band play.” They took off playing and stuff and I went, “Oh, my God. I hope that’s legal in church.” I thought, “are you?” And then, I found the words zamar, the seven Hebrew words for praise is to play unto his power. And there you have it, Sid. We just kept doing that Saturday night after Saturday night and—

SID: It was an atmospheric thing. Could they feel the difference?

KENT: That’s the super point about all of it. When you see his presence released, atmospheric change is automatic and it becomes transformational. You cannot stay the same and be in his presence on that level.

SID: When we come back, 1983. How would you like this to happen to you? 1983, he finds out his future. He’s going to be worshiping in the glory, miracles are going to break out, and it’s starting to happen now. We’ll be right back.

GUILLERMO:  Say it louder please?

AUDIENCE:  Activation!

GUILLERMO:  Activation means when something comes alive in you that was dormant. And the supernatural was within you when you [were] born again. The moment you were born again the supernatural was with you, in you, but religion taught you something else and moved you from the supernatural. So I will activate the power in you. Can I hear an “amen”?

AUDIENCE:  AMEN!

GUILLERMO:  Number 2, Number 2, the supernatural. Number 2. There’s the word called “impartation.” Say it with me, “impartation.”

AUDIENCE:  IMPARTATION!

GUILLERMO:  Impartation is, the word impartation,  Romans 1:11 says, Paul says: I will impart to you. The word impart means to share virtue. So what I will do now is I will activate what you have: gifts, revelation, gifts of the spirit, the supernatural. Number 2, I will impart what I have. So when somebody shares something [they’re] saying I give you something that you didn’t have. Oh my God, I am so excited! Oh — You must be willing to receive what I have. And that is share a virtue. And how would you know it? Well, whenever you go back and pray for people, now I’m going to put you to pray for the sick and you will say, “I didn’t have that before and now I feel power came out of me.” So impartation came, you were activated in the gifts of the spirit in the supernatural, you were activated in the supernatural but also you received a virtue that you didn’t have. Can I hear an “amen?”

AUDIENCE:  Amen!

GUILLERMO:  So I will do those two things. Can we pray together? Okay, lift your hands towards Jesus. Are you hungry for the supernatural?

AUDIENCE:  Yes!

GUILLERMO:  Okay, to move in the supernatural you must be hungry. You must be hungry. If you’re not hungry, God cannot impose something that you don’t want. You must be crying out in the spirit. Lift your hands and say [AS AUDIENCE REPEATS AFTER GUILLERMO AFTER EACH PHRASE]: Father; in the name of Jesus; I am born again; and the moment I was born again; I was born from above; from heaven; from the kingdom of God; so it’s normal; the supernatural for me; the supernatural is normal; right now, Lord; forgive me; say forgive me; I gave place to religion; and the supernatural; was removed from me; Right now; I ask You; to activate me; again; Lord; I receive; a fresh impartation; I receive; a fresh impartation; in Jesus name; right now; right now; right now! There you go, there you go, pray in the Holy Ghost, pray in the Holy Ghost, lift your hands, pray in the Holy Ghost! (Guillermo prays): Father, in the name of Jesus right now I activate the gifts, I activate the supernatural, I activate any gifts in every person in this building, I activate the supernatural, I activate the people to do miracles, signs and wonders, to move, to cast out demons, to prophesy, to intercede, any gifts that was dormant in them at the count of three, they being activated now. One, two, three, NOW!  There you go. Receive, receive, receive, receive, receive! Father, I impart, I share virtue. Oh, what I have, right now, what I have I activate them and now I impart to them. The anointing is in my mouth and right now I impart to them. When I count to three receive the impartation and respond to it. One two, three, NOW! There you go. Keep praying in the Holy Ghost (praying in tongues), lift your hands, keep, keep , keep praying in the Holy Ghost, keep praying in the Holy Ghost, keep praying in the Holy Ghost, keep praying in the Holy Ghost, keep praying in the Holy Ghost, keep praying in the Holy Ghost. There’s a fresh, there’s a fresh impartation, but I want you to cry out to God, I want you to cry out to God, “God I want it,” “God, I want it,” “I want it,” “I want it,” “I want it.” Frank, help me, please.

SID:  Okay, one last question.

QUESTIONER #9:  Okay. As we surely know the God of Israel trumps the enemy and we surely are in the Days of Noah, but even now we don’t know who’s genetically pure and who’s not, we know that, that in the final analysis in Malachi, it says that the spirit of Elijah would come, the Law of Moses would be exalted, and do you believe that God has, just like the Tetra, the four blood moons on the feast days and you know, Pesach and Sukkot and all these things, do you perceive that there’s a wondrous— there’s a wondrous mystery that’s going to be revealed in the, in the final days and possibly the spirit of Elijah whose going to proclaim the coming of the Lamb by dwelling in someone in these last days?

CRIS:  You know, I would expect so. Like you said, in the ending of Malachi it tells us to expect that. Now John the Baptist was a “type” of this final instance of Elijah, but I don’t think he was the final one. So I think we should expect something like that to occur, and relatively soon.

SID:  Last question, really last question! Okay.

QUESTIONER #10:  I’m going to move off theology for a minute. My understanding is the Vatican telescope is also, in Arizona, is somehow working with the University of Arizona. Certainly there’s these university professors or secular astronomers. Do they know about this and what do they think about this?

TOM:  Do they know about the prophecy of the popes?

QUESTIONER #10:  No. I mean do they know that the Vatican is perhaps watching something particular that’s coming that may have some supernatural impact? Is, is, do they understand a supernatural agenda going along?

CRIS:  Well, you know what’s really astounding, is that this whole observatory complex on top of Mount Graham in Arizona was started by the University of Arizona. It’s really the Miralab there that pioneered a new technology that got all this going. But one of the professors was the head of the Vatican Observatory Research Group. The acronym is VORG, which I kind of have fun with in the book a little bit. But uh, George Coinye was the leader of the VORG, was also an astronomy professor at the University of Arizona. Now literally a month before the VATT, the VATT [Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope] went on line he was giving interviews in the media. And there’s an article and I cited it in our book, in the London Telegraph, a conservative newspaper, that says “Vatican sets evangelical sights on the heavens.” And they interviewed him and he literally said that they were teaming up with NASA to find extraterrestrials and baptize them into the Catholic Church. I mean I’m not making this up. And this is what he said, and he said it like with a straight face, the article it wasn’t, didn’t come across tongue in cheek. And there was a lot of the Indians and the people in Arizona were upset about the whole thing. They didn’t want them up there anyway. And when this all came out there was a big controversy, this was like 1993. And, so one of the people in the Mount Graham coalition called the NASA and said, “Was this true, what this Jesuit is saying that he’s teaming up with NASA?” And they said, “No, we don’t have any contact with them.” So NASA denied it completely. But then since 1993 we’ve seen 4 or 5 of these Jesuit astronomers come out in the media, give interviews where they’ve talked about baptizing extraterrestrials. —go to Google when you get home and type—

SID:  Did you, did I hear what you said? Did you hear that? Baptizing aliens?

CRIS:  Just Google that when you get home, put “baptize extraterrestrial” and Google. Hit search and you’ll see just hundreds of articles will pop up and there’ll be interviews with various Jesuits talking about that.

TOM:  But they seem to use that doctrine to introduce people to the idea and now it has accelerated to a completely different spooky level. What they’re talking about now is WAY more frightening than the idea that we’re going to baptize an alien.

SID:  What are they talking about in a couple of sentences? Summarize.

TOM:  That it’s going to also include a new doctrine and actually it’s going to be the aliens baptizing us, and that to not believe their gospel will be heresy because it puts limits on God’s creative ability and we know we’re fallen, they may not be.

SID:  Did you like our guests?

SANDY:  And we see this actually today recurring in what is called “Fulfillment Theology,” which is a relatively new form of Replacement Theology.

SID: Explain what that is.

SANDY:  Fulfillment Theology takes Matthew, chapter 5, verse 17, where Jesus says that He’s come to fulfill the Law as its starting point, and proclaims that all of the prophetic promises to Israel, all of God’s future plans are, in fact, not future. They have all been totally fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ himself.

SID:  So you, but—in order to come up with that, you have to throw out so many prophecies in the Bible, you have to say the Bible isn’t literal. Do they say that?

SANDY:  Yes.

SID: Because you have to say that, otherwise what are you going to do with Romans [chapter] 9, 10 and 11?

SANDY:  Well I can tell you what I’ve read some of them do with it. Some—a leading scholar in one of the top highly regarded seminaries in the United States writes that the Apostle Paul in Romans 9 through 11 was merely venting his unresolved emotions, it is not inspired.

SID:  That’s sad.

SANDY:  Well, what, and again we’re talking, Sid, not just, you know, a stray fringe, but we’re talking academics teaching in evangelical seminaries, born again students, you know young people in their twenties, who are being taught that portions of the scriptures, particularly the Old Testament are not the inspired Word of God but are either Jewish myths and fables, or they’re to be interpreted as the personal expressions of the author and not the inspired Word of Father, Creator God himself.

SID:  You know I am bumping into so many variations of what you’re describing. I’m bumping into people that literally say the Book of Revelation was already finished and we, we shouldn’t be reading the Book of Revelation right now. What would you say?

SANDY:  Well, I would say we should. (laughs) I think that it, you know, it’s a great ending. Jesus, Yeshua comes back. But there are some people who adhere to a teaching that states that all of the prophecies pertaining to Israel or all of the prophecies in general, all of them, have already been fulfilled. They did literally come to pass some people will say, but they came to pass thousands of years ago. And so there’s no future hope for Israel’s restoration in the scriptures, they would say.

SID:  Except for one thing. John wrote this after they say it was all fulfilled in 70 A.D., which kind of puts a crunch to that, that theology. What about this? I know you personally have a heart for the Arabs, the Palestinians. I know this. What, but there are so many Christians that are developing this heart for the Palestinians they are coming up with a whole Palestinian theology. What is that?

SANDY:  Well, there’s a new theology that sometimes is called “Christian Palestinianism” which seeks specifically to counter “Christian Zionism.” And that’s, that’s not my opinion. I mean that’s, that’s made public on websites and in writings from scholarly treatises down to social media. Christian Palestinian is a way of—developing a new form of replacement theology that doesn’t have to be called replacement theology because replacement theology, as you may know, has become politically incorrect, even within the church. And so there’s a new theology now called Christian Palestinian. It’s really a form of Fulfillment Theology, and it’s specifically—

SID:  You know it sounds good, you know the title—but it’s not!

SANDY:  Well it’s not good because it’s extremely anti-Israel and it denies any covenant basis for Israel’s existence today as a Jewish nation under God. It completely disclaims that there’s any future or even present covenant purpose for Israel to exist. And it utilizes fulfillment theology. It utilizes some other errors that have come in and out of the church. But it’s gaining fast in popularity. It’s going around the world.

PERRY:  All right. In the time of the Temple, most of you know this, this is a 7 branch candlestick six foot tall made of 24-carat gold called the “Menorah.” And it had to be a refreshing with oil every morning. But in the refreshing of the oil I found out, I think Edersheim the author Edersheim, is the one that wrote about this, he has all the documentation on it, I believe it was him. But he said when the, when the High Priest went to clean the Menorah he would cl— he would snuff out the five lights to, to put a new wick in and new oil in 5 branches but he left 2 burning. Now stay with me “cause I’m going to show you something. He left two burning. And then he would use these 2 to relight these and then he would go and put fresh oil and wicks in the last 2. But why’d he leave 2 burning? Why’d he leave the, the “servant branch” burning? Why’d he clean four but the two far in—? Because in the Book of Revelation there are 7 churches. Those 7 churches are the 7 candlesticks. Now you ready for this? Five of them their light was going out and Jesus rebuked  and two of them He said good things about!

AUDIENCE:  Wow. That’s something.

PERRY:  Now how do you like that for a Temple parallel from the Book of Revelation? You see what I’m saying? Seven branches. Five go out and have to be cleaned, cleaned up! New oil! And five messages to those churches “Your light’s going out.” You’re letting— you know you’re being seduced. He rebuked five of them and let them have it! But Philadelphia, and there was another one He said something good about, so was it Smyrna, I think he said something good about, two of them He said something good about. Meaning two of the lights were burning bright and five were going out. Exactly what was happening in the Temple every day! All right? Now another thing, and I got to, I got to, I got to get into this and this gets for some Christian people that don’t understand the culture of that day, some believers they don’t quite understand it when you talk about this because they say “that sounds a little bit like astrology.” There’s a difference between Christian astronomy and astrology because astrology says that the stars determine your outcome of life which is total hokey, which is forbidden in the Torah and forbidden by God. Christian astronomy is understanding the signs. What did Jesus say? Jesus said “there going to be signs in the sun, moon and stars.” Well if there is than we’d better understand the sun, moon and stars a little bit to understand what the signs are! All right. Now saying, having said that, Christ says, talks about in my right hand there were seven stars. Remember that? And you got seven pastors of 7 churches. Now I always, this always, this always bugged me, you say “Why does he put 7 stars in his hand? There must be something in space that has “7” in it. Oh, did I ever find out what it was! Anybody want to hear?

AUDIENCE: YES!

PERRY:  Now you going to love this. If you haven’t whooped and hollered, shouted, run, keep your shoes off, you’re about to, okay?

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

PERRY:  Because this, this, this is really amazing! In the universe is a constellation called the Pleiades. The Pleiades has one star and the Arabs and early Jews said it was the center of the universe. One star. A bright star! Remember Jesus [name is also] “The Bright and Morning Star.” Singular, a star. But that bright star is surrounded by 7 stars called “The Seven Sisters.” The word “church” in Greek is “ecclesia” and it’s feminine, and not masculine. Now that’s interesting “cause in His hand is 7 stars representing the pastors and the churches, you know the candlesticks and the churches, pastors. But here’s where it really gets more interesting. The Pleiades in the heavens is in the neck of a constellation called “Taurus the Bull.” An ox was an offering for the High Priest.

AUDIENCE:      Oh, Wow.

Perry: Now this is why, this verse in Matthew 24 is one of the reasons why that you have people such as “preterists” who always telling us “Wait a minute, it all had to happen in a generation.” Now here’s what they don’t understand. In Acts, chapter 2, Peter talks about this, and I like the way it’s translated in the King James because it does, it does an accurate translation in both Joel 2 and Acts 2. In Acts chapter 2 Peter says: “It shall come to pass IN the last days I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh. And you know where he’s quoting? He’s quoted from Joel chapter 2. The only thing is if you go to Joel chapter 2 it reads almost exactly the way Peter quoted it except for one phrase. Joel said: “It shall come to pass AFTERWARDS I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh.” Joel did not say “last days.” You can look at it in the Hebrew. “Afterwards.” But Peter talks about “the last days.” Now this brings me to a thought that’s very important. There would be two outpourings of the Spirit. One that Peter talked about and he said it’s “the last days.” What’d he mean by the “last days?” Well, you got to remember something. Jesus had already told the Jews in Matthew chapter 23 destruction was coming in a generation. He said, “All of this will come upon this generation.” Remember that? So He warned them destruction was coming. Then He warned them in Matthew 24 the Temple would be destroyed. And they knew it would be in a generation. Why do you think in the Book of Acts, it wasn’t happening anywhere else, it was not happening in Antioch, it was not happening in Alexandria.  Why were the Jewish people in Jerusalem selling their property? Why was it that Ananias and Sapphira sold their property and were supposed to distribute the money to the poor, they kept part of it back? Why was Barnabus, a businessman selling his property? And here’s the answer. Would you sell your property if you were told that the city you live in in forty years, a real person of God, a real, an angel came, and said in forty years everything’s going to be destroyed would you just wait ‘til the 39th year and try to get out? No, you would say well let’s go somewhere where it’s safer. The Jewish people, the believers in Israel in the Book of Acts are selling their property in Jerusalem because they know destruction’s coming and they’re getting out while the getting’s good. And they’re taking their money to help the poor people. And this is why before the destruction in 70 A.D. according to Philip Schaff “History of the Christian Church” a whole group of Christians fled the city of Jerusalem and got out before the destruction and went to the city of Pella, which is in Jordan, I think Sid probably has visited that at some point, and there they received asylum from Herod, from one of the, from one of the leaders, let me say it that way, they received asylum from him, and they built a Christian community and when Jerusalem was burning in 70 A.D. and then the  Jews were being slaughtered on the Temple mount the Christians who listened to the words of Jesus had already fled the city and had gone over— now, let me say, this is the point I want to make: When Peter said it’ll come to pass “in the last days” he knew the words of Jesus. He knew they had a generation to get everything done. And he knew that it was going to be the last days for Israel, the last days for the Temple, and the last days for the Jewish people. But go to Joel, he quoted from the Book of Joel, but go to Joel where it says “It shall come to pass afterwards, saith God, I’ll pour out my spirit upon all flesh.” After what? Here’s your whole key. The book of Joel is the restoration of Israel as a nation. The Book of Joel talks about the years that the locust and the cankerworm and the  palmerworm have eaten, and God’s going to restore it and sons and daughters are going to prophesy. Here’s my point and this clears up the whole controversy about when Jesus said “this generation shall not pass ‘til all these things are fulfilled. He’s talking to two generations.

SID: Tell me about the vision of the four sticks.

LOREN: Yeah, the vision of the four sticks. It was right after the election, 2016, and we were having one of our prayer meetings in our church. I’m not one who normally gets visions, and so when I get a vision, I pay attention because it’s not the normal for me. Usually, I just know things. So, I had this vision of four sticks standing up and the fourth one was bending over like this. I said, “Lord, what is that?” And the Lord said, “You have, you the church, have four years in which to prepare.” And I saw that in the fourth year, there was a bending. I understood at the same time that if that represents three and a half years, that corresponds to the three and a half years of Jesus’ ministry on earth.

LOREN: At the end of that three and a half years, not only was he crucified, but two things happened. One, Holy Spirit was poured out in tremendous power on the day of Pentecost and the disciples went out, the apostles went out to win the world. And the church just exploded. So, there was a tremendous outpouring of the Spirit. And the other thing was, there was a tremendous outpouring of persecution. And so, what I’m seeing coming, and it may not be … Well, let me finish that in a minute. What I’m seeing coming is darkness. It’s an Isaiah 60 thing, darkness is coming, and deep darkness will cover the peoples. But at the same time, the nations and kings will come to the brightness of your rising. And I believe that we’re living on the threshold of that time. That we’re living on the threshold of a time when Holy Spirit will be poured out in glory, I think to overshadow Pentecost, greater than Pentecost to affect more people than Pentecost, and we need to be ready for that.

LOREN: This is our time, right now. Under Obama, we had someone who did not favor the church and Israel. God deals with his people according to their relationship with him. He deals with the nations according to how they treat his people. And under Obama, we had a lot of trouble. One of the reasons we had such trouble was that Obama did not favor the church and he was really an enemy of Israel. Under Trump, no matter what else anybody may think of him, he favors the church and he favors Israel. And I would say to people, do not underestimate the spiritual significance of moving our embassy to Jerusalem.

LOREN: One of the reasons we’re enjoying such a period of increased prosperity right now isn’t just the economic policies of Trump, it’s God’s hand of favor is on us because of those things. Now, what happens at the end of this four years, that the three and a half years corresponds with the heat of the next election. The next election cycle, the campaign.

SID: That’s interesting.

LOREN: We need to pray because in reality, prophecy is very seldom cast in stone. It’s conditional. It’s conditional upon whether we pray or whether we repent or what we choose to do. I believe that that vision that I had with the fourth year, I believe that this period of favor can be extended if we pray. We need to pray for this president. And if we do, I believe we can extend this period of time.

SID: If we don’t, what do you foresee? What is God’s showing you?

LOREN: If we don’t, then I believe that Trump may not be reelected. If he is not reelected, we will see a backlash from the extreme left that will begin again to destroy our civil liberties, that will resume the slide of our nation into corruption. That’s what I believe and it won’t be pretty. It won’t be pretty. There’s been a rising wave of hatred.

SID: Do you know what I believe?

LOREN: Yes?

SID: I believe that if everyone in the studio audience and everyone watching right now would add one more prayer to the prayers they pray every morning, and this is the prayer, “Lord, I pray that President Trump would have wisdom from on high to govern this nation for a freedom of the gospel, so that this whole world can come to the knowledge of the living God.”

LOREN: Amen.

SID: Add that prayer. If you do that, we can delay and delay and delay. And I’m going to live a long time, but I just assumed it be delayed.

LOREN: Absolutely.

SID: Well, when we come back, I want you to tell me about what is ready to happen. It’s the greater glory, and he says you have to prepare for what’s going on. I’ll give you a clue, here is what is not the preparation. Guns, food, and water. That’s not in this paradigm. We’ll be right back.

SID: I’m here with Mike Bickle, and if you’ve ever heard of IHOP, I’m not talking about the pancake place, International House of Prayer, for 19 years, you’ve had 24/7 worship seven days a week, 24 hours a day for 19 years, and you’ve trained 18,000 students in the three to five-year program, and this all really started when a very strange prophet walked in and introduced himself to you. Tell me about that.

MIKE: Yes, strange indeed. His name was Bob Jones. He’s with the Lord now. And many people know and love Bob Jones. He’s impacted many lives over the last 40 years, but this was 35 years ago. I was 27 years old pastoring a young adult church, just newly beginning it. We had about 500 young people in our church and he came walking in, he was a total stranger, he was about 55 or 60, in overalls, wearing a winter coat, it was about 70 degrees out, and told me, declared to me that he knew my future. The Lord had been given him many visions and dreams. I didn’t believe anything he said. I just thought this man is so strange. And he said, “What you’re going to do is,” he goes, “you’re going to be leading a ministry one day, 24 hours a day, with singers and musicians.

They’re coming from all over the world, young and old. And you’re going to do it 24 hours a day and because God is calling a prayer movement, a worship movement to be combined together. It’s going across the earth. And I don’t mean my deal is going across the earth, but he’s going to do it sovereignly and we’re going to be a catalyst, we’re going to have a catalystic part of this in as many other places as well.” And I said, “Twenty-four hours of singer and musicians? Like why would we do this?” He goes, “Because the greatest revival in history is yet ahead of us and the salvation of Israel, and the Lord is going to raise up this mighty prayer movement in the earth.” Anyway, that was 35 years ago. He told me that day a bunch of things, but he saw smart phones, 35 years ago, smart phones. He said, “You’re going to be moving from your part of town.” We lived in the, our church was in the affluent part of the town. “You’re going to move to the blue collar part of town.”

SID: This was in Kansas City.

MIKE: Yes, in Kansas City where Harry S. Truman lived. I thought that was the oddest, most random thing I heard. He said, “Because Harry S Truman was the man God used to cause Israel to become a nation in 1948.”

SID: Right.

MIKE: And I thought I kind of knew that, but not really. And he said, “You’re going to move on his property and it will be a sign and a wonder because these thousands of singers and musicians, they’re going to be spiritual intercessors for Israel like Harry S. Truman was a political intercessor for Israel in the fact that he was used politically for Israel to become a nation.” That made no sense to me at all. He said, this is 35 years ago now, my first meeting with him and I don’t believe a word he says, just so you know.

SID: Okay, for the record.

MIKE: Just for the record. Although I end up, I’m really wrong and he was really right, for the record. And so he said, “I saw them all over Asia in the rice patties, in Asia, with unplugged TV sets in their hands.” He was seeing smart phones. “And they’re watching the singers and musicians on Harry S. Truman’s property, all over Asia, they’re watching them live.” I said get this man out of my office. So then he asked me, he goes, “Are you a singer and musician?” I said, “No, I’m not.” He says, “Huh, I thought you would have been.” Again, 35 years ago. He goes, “Do you pray for Israel?” I go, “Never.” He goes, number three, he goes, “Are you connected to Asia, because you’re really going to be connected.” I go, “No.” He goes, “So you know nothing of what I’m talking.” I go, “Nothing.” Then he said, “The Lord told me you’d be dull. I didn’t think you’d be this dull.” Twenty-five years later, from 35 years ago, 25 years later, which is ten years ago, of course, I’m in my office. A guy knocked, from a Jewish family, the Goldberg’s, they knocked on our door, and I was talking to a friend and our CFO interrupted me, just my friend, we’re just in a private meeting. He said, “I’ve got a Jewish family up here named the Goldberg’s. They’ve got Harry S. Truman’s property and they want to sell it to us for a million dollars.” I mean, today it’s probably worth 20, 30 million.

I don’t know how much it’s worth. It’s right on the interstate. It’s on land. I don’t even know what it’s worth. And he goes, “They’ll give it to you for a million dollars.” It’s worth so much more than that, do we want it? And I’m telling my friend, my friend said, “We don’t have a million dollars.” And my friend goes, “You know what, you’re not going to believe this. I’m an investor and I do properties. I have a million dollars in the bank right now, liquid. I never have money liquid. I always go from investment to investment. I’ll give it to you tomorrow.” So I said, “Okay.” So we bought the land and the closing day of the land was 50 years to the day that Truman sold it to the Goldberg’s, the Goldberg’s sold it to IHOP. So I call Bob Jones, he’s in his 80s now, I call Bob Jones and he lives over here on the east coast. I go, “Bob,” it’s 25 years later, “we have the Truman property!” And Bob, you know, he’s in his 80s, it was 25 years ago, he goes, “You never did believe me. You never believed a word I said!”

SID: When we come back, he has an encounter with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit tells him to study a book of the Bible that he can’t, he’s not interested in.

MIKE: Not at all.

SID: Then Bob Jones contacts him and says, “You’re supposed to teach on the Song of Solomon.”

MIKE: I went, “Ohh.”

SID: Be right back.

SID: Now, Aliss, you pray differently than most believers pray, but you literally command. You’ll command a demon to leave. You’ll command bones to go into place. Tell me one story about that.

ALISS: Yeah, following on from the story we told earlier about the woman that came into our shop, but what I was saying to her was, “Just tell that thing to go.” As she’s telling the demons to leave, she can feel them. She starts making a noise as they’re coming out. Then she starts feeling all this pain in her neck. I said to her, “Well, just tell that demon to go but don’t cause any pain.” It’s important you just speak to those demons ’cause they’ve got to do as you told.” At this point, she knew Jesus ’cause she just asked Him into her life. I said, “You just tell that thing, ‘Don’t cause any pain, just come out.'” She did that and the pain stopped, but the demon came out.

SID: It’s nice that you pray for people to be healed. But what happens when you get sick or your husband?

ALISS: Well, that’s a good question. Now, I don’t really get sick very often, but sometimes things will come out of all of us and we’ve got to fight those things. We’ve got to contend for them, not come into agreement. I believe like with an evil spirit, it can only have any power in your life if you come into agreement with it. You’ve got to break that agreement straight away. One time I found a lump in my breast, basically, and I straight away, if you find anything like that, you just got to tell it to go in the name of Jesus. You know I said don’t come into agreement with it? Basically I thought, “I’m not going to get it checked out or anything.” You got to be careful, be led by the Holy Spirit. But what was interesting to me was just later that same day, I didn’t tell anybody else, later that same day I get a letter come through my letterbox.

I open it up and it’s from the hospital. I was in my 40s at the time. It says, “We are just offering random mammograms to women in their 40s and we’d like to invite you for a mammogram.” I thought, “That is interesting. Maybe the devil is just overplaying his hand here because this is the same day I’ve just found a lump.” I knew it was the enemy anyway. I just tore it up, threw it away, and I said, “No, I’m not coming into agreement with that thing. I tell that lump to leave in the name of Jesus.” I had to speak to it a few times, but one time I put my finger on it and it just disappeared completely because of the power of Jesus.

SID: Okay. You have heard the testimony. You’ve had some terrific teaching. You’ve had the presence of God come at you. I want you to operate in commanding faith right now to pray for the sick right this moment.

ALISS: I release the presence of Jesus right where you are and I command, I tell you what. Just put your hand on the part of your body that needs a miracle right now. Just place your hand on that part of your body and I’m going to speak to those things. I just command everything that is in your body that should not be there has got to leave now in the name of Jesus. Just disappear. Everything that should not be there, go. Any lumps, any tumors, disappear. Any sickness in your body, any pain that should not be there, you go now in the name of Jesus. Be completely healed. You agree with me. You just speak to that thing and you tell it to go in Jesus’ name and receive the miracle from Jesus right where you are.

SID: May this sweet glory of God that is in this studio come right out of your television or computer or cell phone and touch you and be whole.

TONY:  You should stay here. It’s okay, baby. No, no, no, I, I’ve called you here for a reason. Oh! Look at me. Three, two, one. (Waiting) What you laughing for girlfriend? What? What just happened?

WOMAN #1:  It’s gone. I just feel light!

TONY:  Somebody give God a praise!

AUDIENCE:  Whoaaa! (CLAPPING)

WOMAN #1:  It’s gone. Hallelujah!

TONY:  It’s not my fault. Oh, mama. Get ready. Mama, tell me when all the pain is gone. It’s going right now, isn’t it? Um, huh. (waiting). All gone? Give the Lord a praise!

AUDIENCE:  Yay!  (CLAPPING)

TONY:  Feel the pain? Tell me when it’s gone.

WOMAN #2:  It’s gone.

TONY:  Somebody ought give God a praise!

AUDIENCE:  Whooo!  (CLAPPING)

TONY:  Did some people stand up over here? Did somebody stand up over here for knee problems? Oh,  I’m sorry, brother. You ready? Look at me. Don’t pray. Three, two, one. (waiting) Tell me when you feel it decreasing.

MAN #1:  It’s decreasing. It decreased 5 minutes ago.

TONY:  Tell me when it’s gone.

MAN #1:  It’s gone!

TONY:  Somebody give the Lord a praise!

AUDIENCE:  Whooo! Whoohooo. Amen.  (CLAPPING)

TONY:  Now God is healing. Listen to me. Who is having problems with your hip? Stand up right now. And there’s a number of you here, believe me. Of those of you that are standing, how many of you have pain right now raise your hand. Okay, I’m looking for hands. I see one hand right there. I see a hand right here. So I see two hands of people that are in pain right now. Right? Am I correct? Okay, very quickly. Real quickly. What’s wrong with your hip? Speak loud and I’ll say it in the microphone.

WOMAN #3:  Rheumatoid.

TONY:  Rheumatoid arthritis. How long have you had it?

WOMAN #3:  Ten years.

TONY:  You in pain right now?

WOMAN #3:  Yes.

TONY:  Say these words, say “Lord”…

WOMAN #3:  Lord.

TONY:  …”I forgive everybody”…

WOMAN #3:  I forgive everybody.

TONY:  …”Including myself”…

WOMAN #3:  Including myself.

TONY:  …”Right now.”

WOMAN #3:  Right now.

TONY:  In the name of Jesus I speak to the demonic power giving life to rheumatoid arthritis in this woman’s body. I call you OUT! And I command the pain and the reason for the pain in Jesus’ name go now. Do not pray. That’s hard for people. That’s why I give the instruction. I always have to repeat it. The more people praise and pray and worship the harder it is for them to obey this one instruction. But before God does a miracle He always gives you an instruction to follow. Tell me now, tell me when the pain disappears.

WOMAN #3:  It’s gone.

TONY:  What? It’s gone now? Step out in the aisle. March up and down. Good. Somebody give the Lord a praise. Are you good?

AUDIENCE:  (CLAPPING)

TONY:  Who else had pain? Girl, why you got pain? What kind of arthritis? Where do you have pain? One hip or two hips? Say Jesus, I forgive everybody. And I forgive myself.  And I accept you as my healer. Right now. Close your eyes. Tell me when you feel pain decreasing. Three, two, one. Now. (waiting) What?

WOMAN #4:  It’s decreasing a little bit.

TONY:  A little bit? That means God’s doing something, huh??

WOMAN #4:  Uh, huh.

TONY:  I speak to the spirit of… that’s giving life to this arthritis. OUT!  Now I speak a creative miracle into these bones. (waiting) Give me an honest answer. What’s happening now? It’s still decreasing? Would you do me a favor? Would you interrupt me when it’s all gone? You just keep, just interrupt me. Say Tonay…Try that. Tonay…

WOMAN #4:  Okay. Say what?

TONY:  Say “Tonay”…

WOMAN #4:  Tonay…

TONY:  Yeah, when it’s all gone, just do that! Give the Lord a hand clap!

AUDIENCE:  (CLAPS)