Sid: I’m going to tell you something; you are going to be so excited when you hear what I’m going to tell you.  We just got back I’ve got Rabbi Eric Carlson on the telephone. Eric and I just got back from Siberia and have we got something exciting to tell you. But before I even get to that I want to remind you that Charisma has just published my latest book it’s called “The Race to Save the World.”  They read my last book which was called “The Last Lap” and we updated it and added so many new things. I really believe that we’re about ready to experience the greatest move of God’s Spirit in the history of God’s planet Earth. I believe that this is the move of God Spirit that will usher in the return of the Messiah.  We’re going to get a brand new outpouring of God’s Spirit.  And as Yeshua said “The wine skins if they’re old and brittle they will not contain the glory that is about ready to be released.” And many of you have said “I feel almost a deadness in my congregation but we’re pushing, but it’s like we’re in between 2 moves of God’s Spirit.” And I believe that God has given me insight into the next move of His Spirit. And that’s where this book came from it’s called “The Race to Save the World.”  It’s all about the One New Man.”  And Rabbi Eric Carlson wrote in the book a chapter that’s so wonderful because he has a One New Man Congregation and his congregation they celebrate all the Biblical Festivals in freedom not in bondage.  But let me read this to you about the festivals in Leviticus in Chapter 23 that deals with all the festivals. It’s says “And the Lord spoke undo Moses saying speak to the children of Israel and say unto them concerning the Feasts of the Lord.” The word feasts of you look that up in the Hebrew the word feast literally means “The appointments with God.”  So it’s like God says in writing “I promise to attend when you celebrate these Feasts.”  And because many people have taken these feasts and made them requirements for salvation; requirements for righteousness have put us under such bondage we’ve tossed out the baby with the dirty bath water. But God says “No, I want you to celebrate these Feasts with such excitement, such joy, because I promise to make My presence known during these Feasts.” And then He goes on to say “Which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations even these are My feasts.”  So they’re not necessarily Jewish Feasts, they are God’s feasts.  And therefore every Bible believer when you celebrate these holy convocations; and in the Hebrew the word convocation means rehearsal.  Rehearsal of what?  Well these God Feasts or these God appointments are rehearsal of the first coming of the Messiah. And why wouldn’t you want to use the platform for the first coming of the Messiah that God put in His scriptures to celebrate that great time on planet earth when we were given opportunity to have our sins atoned for and be restored to God.  Why wouldn’t you want to celebrate the shadows of the reality?  But the thing is, how would you like to get in on a dress rehearsal of His return.  And that’s what it is it’s a rehearsal; it’s a holy rehearsal and God says “These are My Feasts these are My set appointments that I will make an appointment and I will appear.  And so the One New Man Congregations, and I explain in my book “The Race to Save the World” about this new move.  We need the new wineskin the old wineskins which has been evolved through religion and tradition are just not going to hold the glory that God that’s about ready to be poured out. And Rabbi Eric I know that every year your congregation takes these Feasts and they don’t do it because they have to they don’t do it because it’s a requirement for salvation. Why does your congregation celebrate these feasts Eric?

Eric:  Sid, these Feasts are such a spectacular time every year; God is present. As you said “These are His days and He reaches out to meet us in supernatural ways during this time like no other time during the year. And people come when we celebrate these they come with an expectation that God is there and the miraculous will happen.  These are times of great joy, of great celebration.  We search and seek for God all the time and during these periods He’s there; He’s here and He meets us.  And we celebrate these with such joy and with such love. We’ve had so many miracles happen; so many healings; so many reconciliations; that the word gets out we don’t have to advertise. People know that God is going to be there on these Feasts days and they come to worship the God of Israel with all of their might and with all their soul. He in turn because the scriptures say that “He resides in the praises of His people.  And He is here and this a fantastic time just to celebrate; just to worship. And even historically we know that these times were great moves of God throughout history.  And Alfred Edersheim even writes that in Jerusalem that they had 4 lamp stands that stood four stories tall; the city was lit up all night long. And for 7 days the children of Israel would dance and worship unto the God of Israel.  And this is the same thing that we do in our congregation here, but now it’s not just the children of Israel it’s the Jew and Gentile.  For we have so much to celebrate for Yeshua has come and brought us together as one.  He’s torn down the wall of separation and we come in these Festivals and we worship the God of Israel together because we’re joint heirs. And God moves mightily on these Feast days.

Sid: I mean God must have been waiting so long for the Jew and the Gentle to be one new man in the Messiah.  You see the Jew brings something to the church that is…the Bodies incomplete without the Jew. And the Gentle brings something to the church and the Body is incomplete without the Gentile.  Now some of the things, and we go into detail in the book, is the Jew has been called by God; has a special anoint11ing to reach the Gentile.  It says “The Jews are to be a light to the Goyim, a light to the nations.” And a lot of Jewish people say “Well we Jews don’t evangelize we don’t proselytize.”  Well that’s what a Jew was created to do; to proselytize the whole world to be believers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  Now on the other hand the Gentle Christian call is found in Romans 11:11.  “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” The call of the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy.  Now Gentles observing Biblical Feasts with a freedom of God’s Spirit and with miracles taking place will provoke Jews to jealousy.  But Jews and Gentiles together celebrating these Feasts will cause a literal explosion in the Holy Spirit.  Now I’d like you take one of the Feasts Eric that in the past your congregation has celebrated and tell us how you did that.

Eric:  Let’s pick Sukkot because that the one just coming up, the Feast of Tabernacles.  We go back and tell scripturally what the Bible about Sukkot; what it’s purpose is and what the Lord asks us to do. And it’s surprising that there’s almost no liturgy, almost no religion. There’s very few things that God does these things as a remembrance.  And the feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot God says that this is an appointed time to remember how He took care of the wandering of the children of Israel in the desert. And it’s a time to build a little tabernacle a little booth outside and to eat your meals in it and to celebrate. But celebrate is the key word there because as we come together we pray and we ask the Holy Spirit to show us what to do during these Feasts days.  We always take a outreach approach to these and we say “Lord show us how you wish us to celebrate and Holy Spirit teach us what we should do.”  The Holy Spirit will reveal and tell us the direction of how to celebrate these Feast Days. I’ll pick last year for instance we set up a Sukkot booth in the sanctuary in the place that we meet and we came together with some worship with some song and with dance. In the middle of worship as we come into this and this is what the Lord has showed us is that through worship He resides again in the praises of His people and He will be present. And as the people worship and dance unto the God of Israel, the Holy Spirit just descends and the people begin to be healed; and the people begin to be touched supernaturally. And even this goes on for weeks afterwards; it’s actually the beginning of the spark of revival as God is there.  We had people that got raises in their jobs; we had people that got new jobs.  We got relationships that were restored. And all of this just because we came before the God of Israel and celebrated it in His appointed time as He asked us to do. So like last year it was just complete celebration; it was just complete worship and God loved it and He just came down and met us and the miraculous occurred.

Sid: And another thing that I mentioned and it’s so true is that these are rehearsals of His first coming.  The second group of Feasts from Leviticus chapter 23 are rehearsals of history before it takes place, it’s His second coming. You know Eric let’s table this discussion just for a moment because on yesterday’s broadcast I’m going to get a lot of people upset. I was talking about the great end-time revival that the great Missionary to China, Dr. Hudson Taylor saw in 1885.  And let me read this to you because he literally saw World War I; he literally saw World War II, and he just stopped and he had this vision of World War I and World War II.  And then he saw the great spiritual awakening the world had ever seen.  Let me read this to you this quote from his words. “I’ve see a vision; I saw in this vision a great war that would encompass the whole world. I saw this war recess and then start again actually becoming two wars.  After this I saw much unrest and revolts that will affect many nations. I saw in some places spiritual awakenings. In Russia I saw that there will come a General all encompassing national spiritual awakening so great that there could never be another like it.  From Russia I saw the awakening spread to many European countries.  And then I saw an all out awakening; followed by the coming of Messiah.”  And what is so exciting Mishpochah is that Hudson Taylor said that this would take place in the center of Russia.  Guess what city is the center of Russia?  Krasnoyarsk, Siberia. That’s were Eric and I were and we saw things and heard things which we’ll explain to you on tomorrow’s broadcast that lead me to believe that we are at the beginning of the reign of the greatest revival the world has ever seen.  But it’s time for your wineskin to change; I don’t want you to miss what God is about ready to do.  It’s way to beyond what religion has contained God to. This anointing is going to be so great.  I call it the One New Man anointing.  Let me read to you what Pastor Larry Huck had to say on my book… “Sid’s insights are powerful and illuminating. They reveal that we must bridge the gap and tear down the dividing walls between Christians and the Jewish people to release the end time power of God to the entire world.”

Sid: I found out something and I am so excited about it; and I’m so excited about this week. Because you see we do this broadcast in advance I have literally just gotten off a plane; I was in Siberia and many of you know why and those that don’t we’ll review as to how I got to Siberia.  And I have Rabbi Eric Carlson on the line and Eric accompanied me to Siberia. We had what I think I’m going to call a Siberia adventure but it’s way beyond that.  Eric it seemed like it took us forever to get to Siberia; how long did it take?

Eric:  It felt like it almost did and it was almost 52 hours 2 overnight flights from the United States to get to Siberia.

Sid: And of course once you get into a Russian airline you find out that the Russians were not made… airplanes were not made for very tall people.  Eric how tall are you?

Eric:  I’m 6′ 5½.

Sid: And I’m a little over 6′ and I’ll tell you it was so uncomfortable in those Russian airlines and if it was bad for me it must have been horrible for you.

Eric:  Absolutely, (Laughing) but nothing is too difficult for the kingdom of God and for Messiah Yeshua.

Sid: Right, now kind of update us as to what occurred. Eric went on behalf of Messianic Vision to Siberia.  Brought his dance team from his One New Man Congregation.  Bumped into the leader of the Lubavitch Synagogue inside Siberia that was very interested.  He saw the joy, he saw the excitement and what we found out is that it was an Orthodox Jewish Synagogue but there is a particular sect out of Brooklyn, New York they’re called Lubavitcher. And they believe there Rabbi who died 10 years ago who was the Messiah.  His name was Rabbi Schneerson and they actually have a truth that most Orthodox Jews do not have.  Of course they’re wrong Schneerson is not the Messiah; our Messiah has already come.  His name is Yeshua, English Jesus, but what they believe is according to the scriptures the Messiah will rise from the dead.  And they believe that their Rabbi is the Messiah.  And you know that after a year or so they thought that well he’ll really rise from the dead but then 10 years past and he still hasn’t risen from the dead so a lot of these guys are getting very discouraged. But they have a strategy and it’s a brilliant strategy to take over all the Orthodox Jewish Synagogues throughout the former Soviet Union.  And they have a lot of money so they go into an Orthodox Synagogue that is struggling and the building is falling apart and they offer to renovate the building and before you know it it’s a Lubavitcher Synagogue and it’s sooo dry and it’s sooo dead.  That when you went a month or so ago to Siberia you bumped into the leader of the congregation. And see congregations have a Rabbi and then a leader; you bumped into the leader and he saw your Messianic Jewish One New Man Dance Team. Which is made up of black and white, male and female and Jew and Gentile dancing to Russian Jewish Music and he saw such joy and such excitement he could see the difference.  He saw the life that the One New Man Congregation verses the dryness of the Lubavitcher Sect and he said “This is what we need.”  So based on that we went by faith to Siberia and just before I went I called my good friend Jonathan Bernis. Jonathan said “Sid, you’ll be 1 hour away from Krasnoyarsk, Siberia “Let’s team up.” We decided to team up and do it together, and that’s how we got there.  Now Eric when we got there we got together with the head of the synagogue and I was so excited because he pulls a book out of his desk drawer that’s all wrapped in plastic and what book was it?

Eric:  Sid it was your book “They Thought for Themselves” written in Russian. The 10 testimonies of Jewish people from around the world from all backgrounds that have come to know their Messiah, Messiah Yeshua.

Sid: Well, and he was loaded with questions.  He was concerned about certain legalities of switching the registration of the synagogue and it got very complex. You know one of the questions that he asked and it was such a good question and it’s a basic question and that is.  “We Jewish people believe that when the Messiah comes there will be peace on earth; there’s not peace on earth. So how do you say that Jesus is the Messiah?” I answered him but how do you answer that question now Eric?

Eric:  Well, that is a good question and the scriptures talk specifically about this and even in Zechariah Chapter 9.  Even in Matthew which talks about the coming into Jerusalem of Yeshua or Jesus speaks about this.  That there will be two comings and the first time the Messiah comes it will be for forgiveness of sins and reconciliation back to God. And the second time when He comes He will come as a conqueror and He will bring peace; which we know to be the Millennial reign which is the season to come.  So this is talked about in the scriptures; this is talked about in the Talmud; this is talked about even in the New Testament that there will be two comings of the Messiah but it’s not two Messiahs it’s one Messiah and two comings.

Sid: And What I usually like to ask when someone brings that up is “How do you know that they’ll be peace on earth when the Messiah comes?” And the answer is the scriptures say that “There will be peace on earth.” There are many scriptures to this affect.  And I said “Correct but the same scriptures that we believe in also predict a Messiah, that will die rise from the dead.”  Obviously the Lubavitcher saw that in there and that the majority of the Jewish people will reject this Messiah but He won’t die for his own sins but he’ll die for the sins of the Jewish people and for the whole world.  And this is such an eye opening thing.  You know Eric I would love every Jewish person in the United States to think for themselves. I would love every Jewish person in the United States to at least get the facts.  Because the Rabbis accuse us of stealing the souls of Jewish people when they turn to Jesus as the Messiah. But the truth of the matter is the only life, the only real life, is united with God and there can be no uniting with God unless there’s atonement of sin.  And that’s why we’re in the midst of the period right now between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.  And it’s very interesting the Talmud says “There can be no Yom Kippur, no day atonement without the shedding of blood.”  And the Bible says this too Leviticus 17:11. “I have giving the blood upon the altar as atonement for sin.” It is the blood that makes atonement for sin. So we have a lot of fun with that question; and it was left with a number of legal technicalities and we’re going to be in touch. And we jumped on an another plane and we went to a city I had never heard of in Siberia and it’s called “Krasnoyarsk.” And again this was another beautiful city in Siberia and I had occasion to speak at a meeting in which a pastor was there and when he heard me speak Eric he couldn’t believe what he heard. And this is what I wanted to explain to you Mishpochah and this is what is so exciting about this trip; and so exciting for the salvation of the world.  And so exciting for you and so exciting for the greatest revival the world has ever seen.  There was a missionary that lived in the 1800′s; his name was Dr. Hudson Taylor many of you have heard of him. He was a missionary to China; it said for 40 years the sun never rose on China but Hudson Taylor was on his knees for the salvation of the Chinese. And this Hudson Taylor one day was on furlough from China and he was speaking in a church in England and suddenly he just stopped is preaching and he stood speechless for a time with his eyes closed and then He began to speak again and he said “I’ve seen a vision, I saw in this vision a great war that will encompass the whole world.  I saw this war recess and then start again actually being 2 wars.” He actually saw World War I and World War II but this was in 1855 mind you.  “After this I saw much unrest and revolts that will affect many nations. I saw in some places spiritual awakens.  In Russia I saw there would come a general all encompassing national spiritual awakening so great that there could never be another like it.”  Well, our time is slipping away today but this prophecy gets so specific and so amazing.  This is a true Prophet of God please come back on tomorrow’s broadcast….

Sid: For sure I want everyone everywhere to have stubborn faith because without faith you cannot please God and most believers don’t understand there is such a power in faith and by the time you finish reading this brand new book by Zona Hayes-Morrow called “Get a Grip What to Do at the End of your Rope.” I’m going to tell you something there is an anointing on this book that will jump right off of the book on you and things you thought you were believing for you really weren’t believing for you were just doing something called mental accent. But this is going to kick you; it’s going to catapult you into being normal because without faith you’re not going to be able to face the things are coming on planet Earth; you see how fast these things are going on and so I urge you to get the book and then the 3 CD set called “Overcoming Faith.”  Zona faced death 13 times and each time rather than the devil winning God won. She goes step by step of what she did and some of it will astound you…. Well Zona your father is beside himself you got married young, your husband goes off to war and he sends you a notice we’re getting divorced, you move back home and all you want to do is party you forget everything that was going on spiritually in your lifetime and I mean so many things happened to you it’s hard for me to believe it but you’re out numbing yourself by partying going to bars.  So you come in late at night and there was a prophesy which was given to your Father by the Goodwin’s that he was told to love you and to tell you that Jesus loves you and that was it.  But one night he really reached a point where he was desperate and he puts his hands on the bed that you’re sleeping in and what did he pray?

Zona:  Well he prayed after he did exactly what they said it didn’t matter if I got in at 2 or 3:00 in the morning.  He would say “Zona come in here.”  He’d wait up for me I don’t care if it’s 4:00 in the morning.  He’d call me into his bedroom and I’d say “What do you want dad?”  He say “I love you and Jesus loves you.”  And then I say “Yeah right.”  And then he’d go that’s it and then the next day and then for like probably 6 or 7 months.  And then one day… I mean he talked the love so much I started believing him and I was getting ready to go to a club and I was sitting in the living room  and I said “dad, come in here and he come and sat in the chair beside me and I looked at him and I said “I know you love me, I said I know these guy, these friends that I run around with I know that they don’t love me I know they don’t even love themselves and so how could they love me.”  And I said “I really don’t want to go tonight and he said “Well you don’t have to why don’t we pop popcorn and watch a movie and you stay here and you don’t go out.”  I said “No they’re already coming after me.”  He said “I want to ask you a question he said what is God going to have to do to bring you back to Him?”  I said “He’s going to have to knock me in the head because I’m not going back to Him.”  After what I’ve seen, after my mother not wanting anything to do with me, after Bobby writing a Dear-John letter; after all the flakes that I’ve seen in your life use you and then all in the Name of Jesus.  Yeah, no I don’t want that kind of life.  I said these outlaws that I run around with they’re more loyal than the people that are in ministry.  I said “Why do I want the life you live?”  And then about that time the car horn blew and I said “Well, dad I better go.”  He said “Zona don’t go.”  I said “No, I need to go, I need to go” and after that car with a gutted muffler was making a loud noise beeping the horn he said he stood at the front door and he pointed his finger at that car and he went devil you can’t have my daughter I’m not going to let you have my daughter.  And then all of a sudden he went into the living room and he laid down on the floor and he went “Satan, you’re a liar, you take your hands off of my daughter.”  My daughter’s not going to Hell, I stand in the gap for my daughter.” Now this was literally did that day he’d been doing this for like 7 months.  I mean like hundreds of times a day, I mean like and calling me saved.  So the Lord said “You’ve never laid your hands on her bed.”  And he decided to go into the guest bedroom and lay his hands on one of the twin beds and he said “Lord you heard my daughter, I give You permission to shake her foundation, shake her up.”  And so that night I came in so late that night and I hadn’t been drinking or doing any drugs or anything that night. I went in the guest bedroom because I thought it was really late and I thought… I was only 18 because I got married when I was 17 and so I was already graduated and so I went into the guest bedroom, I didn’t know he laid hands on that bed and I laid down.  And about hour and a half later I turned over and my eyes were even with a belt buckle and I looked and there was a man bigger than three men sitting in the floor Indian style with a yellow stripped tie and had brightness all around him.  And I looked and I tried to scream and he put the right leg over the left and turned to the left side and got up and stood there and looked at me.  And well, to scare devils out of somebody all they have to do is show up, they don’t have to sing no hymns they don’t have to do praise and worship all they have to do is show up to somebody who is not serving God.  I thought it was the devil coming after me but I mean I heard him go down the hall, I heard his footsteps and I put a real light quilt over the bed and I put it over me and I walked down the hall and I turned the corner and I looked out the back door and it was standing and waiting on me and he turned around his face to the side the left side and looked at me.  I could tell he turned his head I couldn’t see his face because it was so bright and he walked through the wall.  Well that was all it took, I mean it flipped me out I couldn’t believe it. So I ran back to my dad’s room and I’m telling him not a man, yes a man big, big big devils, man I don’t know what it was but it was in my room it was going to get me dad and I mean I’m scared.  And he said  “Well, do you know who that is?”  And I said “Who?”  And he said “Well, your angel.” And I screamed “Ahhh! I don’t want him I want him he’s too big I want a little one with wings.”

Sid:  (Laughing)

Zona:  He said, “Zona as many devils that you’ve got it takes a big one for you.”  So but for a year and a half Sid I didn’t get away from that.  And I gave my heart back to the Lord at a Brother Hagin meeting at… Memorial Church a 1 ½ later.

Sid: Now there was a second time that you saw your angel and that was when you were to die again and a black widow spider bit you.

Zona:  Yes, and I went into seizures and my little girl was sitting beside me on the bed and she and John Olsteen had prophesied about 6 months before that that I was going to see my angel again.  So any way she was sitting beside me on the bed and I was having seizures and I was dying; I mean I could tell I was in a tunnel and I heard very faint “Mommy, mommy come back; ,mommy, mommy come back.”  And I it was like I was way far off from that voice and all of a sudden it got closer and closer and closer and I came to the end of that tunnel and I came to into the room and the paramedics were coming after me. And as they were carrying me out the back of the house on a stretcher they would carry me in the ambulance and my angel was standing right in the middle of that ambulance like the jolly green giant had his hands on his waist. I saw his face that time and he had long blond hair down to his shoulders.  And he had the same bright clothing on and when I got into the ambulance he shrunk down into normal size and he was sitting in the seat back there next to the lady who was taking all the information down.  And I looked at his eyes and they looked like the eyes of Jesus and he said to me “You’re not going to die; you’re going to live fear not.”  And that’s what he said to me and he told me, I’m with you always, I am your guardian angel.”  That is… I believe we all have an angel and that is my guardian angel and I had the Holy Spirit inside of me but He also I have that angel and I do believe I’ll see him again.  I do believe it.

Sid:  And obviously the black widow spider did not kill you.

Zona:   Amen.

Sid: Now you’ve had so many close calls if you will.

Zona:   Yeah.

Sid: Tell me if you will about… real briefly you had a chemical imbalance.  You didn’t have enough potassium in your body and it made you extremely weak; tell me about the time you rolled out of bed.

Zona:  Well, I remember that when I felt that I was at the end of my rope and I did we were riding with my first husband; we were riding in a Volkswagen and I was sitting in the back of a Volkswagen didn’t even know anything was wrong really.  And we drove all the way from Kingston… I mean Muscle shells Muscle Shoals, Alabama and I was sitting in the back of that Volkswagen and when we got out I couldn’t walked.  I mean he had to carry me into the house; my body, my arms nothing worked. I realized later when the doctor said that it was potassium; it was low potassium.  But I was laying in the bed he had to carry me the next day because we were looking at apartments we were moving to Kingston, Tennessee you see.  He had to carry me around to the apartment; had to feed me in the Dairy Queen in Kingston and all of a sudden we come back to his house and his parents lived on the river.

Sid: Whoops we’re out of time.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest says that she has learned how to so be saturated with the presence of God that it radiates, His presence radiates wherever she goes. When she goes to the shopping center, His presence just falls on people. When she goes into her home with her children, His presence is all over the home. When she gets sick, His presence is there. And she says, anything that she can do, you can do better, and she’s going to teach you. Do you want that? Now my guest, Patricia King says that she can cooperate with God and host the presence of God wherever she goes. For instance, you just had a camp meeting in Phoenix. Tell me two amazing things that happened there.

PATRICIA: Well one amazing thing, Sid, that happened was on the last night, you know, we were just rejoicing and everything that God had been doing and us prophesying over some people. And as I began to prophesy the Glory of God flooded into the room in a way that released lightenings, like the people who were being prophesied over actually felt the lightenings of God, the jolt of the Lord’s power on them, and they went down under the power. They were on the ground, you know, rolling and jolting. All of a sudden in the natural, lightenings came, in the natural atmosphere and thunders, and a rainstorm. Now we’re in a desert and this is not a typical time of year for us to get rain. And some of the people in the tent, they were going on the Internet to say, you know, what’s going on here, and they saw on the weather report a cloud that was right over the tent and only over the tent at that particular time. So we thought, well this is an awesome sign from the Lord. But I mean, we were seeing miracles that we had been contending for.

SID: What did the newspaper say about that amazing storm that was just over your tent?

PATRICIA: The newspaper had said it was a freak storm. They didn’t understand why because it was—

SID: Yeah, what do they know? All right. Tell me one notable miracle that happened.

PATRICIA: Well one notable miracle that I enjoyed was actually on the second day. People were being prayed for the first night. There were a number of people in wheelchairs and in cots that had come in that really needed a touch from God. We had a lot of miracles of people’s headaches leaving, backs being healed, knees being healed, and things like that. But I didn’t see one person get out of their wheelchair. I didn’t see one person get out of their cot. I went home that night and I just wept. I said, “Lord, we’ve been fasting and praying, and those people came a long way to be receiving a touch for you.” And I said, “What do we need to do? What do we need to learn to create an environment for miracles for them?” And so I went back to the meeting the next morning. And there was a woman who had been in a cot the night beforeand she was walking. And she shared her testimony saying, “You know, I haven’t been able to walk without a walker for 10 years, and for the most part, I have to lie down,” because it was such a painful condition that she had. But that night, our guest speaker had laid his hand, prayed for her, and throughout the night this miracle took place. It was a gradual miracle over the night, and there she was walking, going up and down stairs, doing things she had never been able to do because Jesus loved her so much that he brought healing to her. And so over the 10 days of meetings we just saw the power of God move. And you know, that should be natural for us, shouldn’t it?

SID: Absolutely.

PATRICIA: The supernatural should be natural

SID: Something happened to Patricia. She was invited to visit with Dr. Oral Roberts just before he was promoted to Heaven. And Dr. Roberts said, “Does anyone have a question?” What was your question? What was his answer?

PATRICIA: My question was, “Dr. Oral Roberts, how could you be so immersed in all that you do as a televangelist, as an author of books, as a builder of medical clinics, and universities, and missions, and keep your time with the Lord what it should be, your relational time?” And he said, “Oh that’s easy.” I thought, easy, okay, let’s have the secret. He said, “It’s simply putting God as a priority every day.” And he said, “I call it my sacred time and my sacred place.” And he said, “I go into my prayer closet, wherever that is, and when I shut the door to my own little isolated place with God, everyone knows that they don’t dare bother me during that time, because that is my time with God, and no one is more important than God. He’s the greatest person in all the universe and for my life He has number one priority.” He said, “My wife doesn’t interrupt me, my children, even if the President of the United States were to come, he could not interrupt me in that place.”

SID: When you worship God or you have your sacred time, is it labor for you? Do you have to force yourself to do this?

PATRICIA: You know, my desire for God is to go into that place non-stop and continuous. Like I’ve been trying to be very intentional about recognizing the presence of God throughout the all the day in every opportunity. I want to make my every moment of every day I want to make my sacred time and sacred place. But when I have my set apart devotional times I’m going to be honest with you, Sid, is that sometimes my mind initially is very distracted. It’s like wanting to answer emails or wanting to work on a project or finish up details. So I actually have to, with intentionality say, God, you are more important to me than anything. And so I just engage with Him because my desire leads me there. And so whatever it takes, reading scriptures at first or worshiping, or making decrees of the Word in order to bring my focus. But once I break a point, you know, if you stay in deliberate focus within intentionality for a while, you’ll eventually break into a realm, and sometimes when you get into that place you never want to leave. It’s just like hours can go by.

SID: I watched you in that place and I want to find out why this woman is known and marked by supernatural love. We’ll be right back.

Sid: One of the biggest obstacles for people knowing the good news is they don’t meet people that know the good news that are free.  And the reason that Jesus came was to set captives free. You cannot be free if you have something separating you for true intimacy with God.  The greatest thing you can give someone is the hope that they can have what you have and what you have is great intimacy with God.  And that’s why I’m so excited about my guest this week from Lancaster, England his name is Peter Horrobin.  And we’re featuring his book it’s called “The Most Powerful Prayer On Earth.”  And Peter this isn’t just physical healing this is every arena of life that when you pray this most powerful prayer and it’s very important for you to understand all the nuances and Peter is a gifted teacher and I see why God told him to write this book.  Peter in your book you outline 7 necessary steps I wonder if you could briefly just tell us these steps for forgiveness and freedom. And then perhaps we can have a prayer for people.

Peter:  I would love to tell people the steps. I want to tell them something else first.  In Psalm 19 God made some wonderful promises He promises revival for the soul, wisdom, joy for the heart, and light for the eyes.  These are the things which hallmarks somebody who’s living in the light of God and whole and radiant in God.  They all come through walking within what Psalm 19 says “The law of Lord, the statutes of the Lord, the precepts of the Lord and the commands of the Lord and living in the fear of the Lord.”  And these are some will say “Well, how can I know revival, how can I know healing? And God has given us wonderful instruction in His word. And one of the laws of the Lord the commands of the Lord is to forgive, so that we ourselves will be forgiven and we will know life.  And what I’ve put together is 7 simple steps because most of us when we hear something oh yes, forgive to complicated we need a simple way of looking and this is not simplistic this is actually something which is easy to understand but it’s incredible profound.  The first step is actually to make a choice, to make a decision.  And we need to get to that place and say “Okay Lord I don’t necessarily understand this but this is what You word says and I know that Your word speaks truth and I’m trusting that You know better than I do; I’m trusting in Your wisdom and I want to walk in your ways.  And you have said “If we don’t forgive others…” this is Matthew 6:15, “then we will not be forgiven and Lord I long to know the true forgiveness and the true healing that flows from Your heart.”  So I want to actually begin to walk in forgiveness so we have to make a choice. So that’s your number one step I choose to forgive.  I don’t think about what the consequences are; I don’t think “Well, they don’t deserve to be forgiven, I didn’t deserve to be forgiven for my sins.”  We choose to forgive, that’s number one.  Having made this choice to forgive you then say “What do I do next?”  Well, I’m a very practical sort of person and I say “Get out a piece of paper and make a list and begin to pray through your life.  Now you can pray from now and work back to the beginning or you can begin at the beginning and work through to where you are it doesn’t matter.  But ask God to show you those people who have hurt you and you’re still carrying the pain or the memory, or the hurt and the damage of what they have said or done.  And the number one name on the list is usually parents because even though we may have had very good parents they have still been sinful parents, they have not been perfect and there’s consequences of things that said and done which maybe we’re carrying even now.  Like the man who wanted to be an Engineer, but his father insisted that he’s going to be a doctor because his father wants to be a doctor and couldn’t.  And this poor man was forced into the medical profession and at the age of 50 he wants to commit suicide.  And was actually desperate and retired because he just couldn’t cope; and healing began with just forgiving his father.  And we need to just walk through our life saying God who do I need to forgive, we need to forgive parents because “I was a girl and actually they wanted a boy, and I’ve known from day one that I wasn’t actually what they wanted.”  And you had to live under that shadow of being the wrong sex or you had brothers or sisters that were preferred above you and you always felt as though you were in adequate. At school you weren’t very sporty and you were at school where you were good at sport and you were somebody and you felt total rejected. And maybe marriage you husband ran off with somebody else and you’ve been carrying that pain for years or you lost a child through somebody else’s bad driving and your son or daughter was killed or very injured and it was somebody else’s fault and every day you’re thinking “Oh, all the anger and the pain and the bitterness comes to the surface.”  These are just illustrations and we need to put all these names on the list, just make the list and don’t worry too much about what they’ve done or how you’re going to cope with it but make the list.  So we’ve now got 2 steps done, you’ve made a choose and now you’re made a list.  Now having got the list down we then start to forgive and we do this systematically we go through them one at a time.  We recognize that we need forgiveness and I have a little prayer that goes like this “Lord Jesus, thank you for dying on the cross that I might be forgiven, I’m sorry for my own sins and I ask you to be my Savior and Lord of my life because we can only pray these prayers of forgiveness when Jesus is Lord because this is a supernatural thing it goes beyond our humanity and we need His help.  And now please forgive me for the things that I’ve done wrong and help me to forgive from my heart all the people on my list.”  And we go through them one by one with this very simple prayer.  I now choose to forgive and put in there the name John or Mary or whatever the name maybe for what they did for abusing me; for saying bad things about me, for rejecting me, for whatever it is that they’ve done. Speak it out and then say and “I release this person and mention their name into the freedom of my forgiveness.”  And say then before God “I will not hold these things against them anymore.”  You know it’s a very simple prayer and for some people it’s a hard prayer to pray because they feel as though they’ve been robbed of so much there have been thieves and robbers that have robbed them of their destiny, robbed them of their hope.  You know I had one lady who said “I’ve been bitter for 30 years and I’m not going to waste one of them” and then she suddenly realized that what a stupid thing it was to say. And for 30 years her life had been destroyed by her own bitterness, and if she was going to continue it she was going to waste the nest 30 years as well.  And she got major physical healings, she had a back that was crumbling because of disintegration of the spine and God brought healing to her in an extraordinary way. She went through her list and she prayed for every single person one by one; now having gone through the list you then start saying. God I ask you for my freedom, this is step 4.  I’ve had each person on the list you can then pray a very simple prayer thank you Lord for helping me to forgive this person, I ask you to set me free for every ungodly influence that that’s brought upon me and receive that healing, receive the deliverance sometimes the supernatural God brings deliverance. We say “We’re sorry” this is step 5 of blaming God for things that we’re blaming Him for when they’re not His fault, because that can be a barrier to our healing.  And then we pray the most powerful prayer on earth; Jesus said “Father, forgive them.”  And we need to say “Father forgive them.” The desire Lord “I would love this person to be blessed in the way that I’m blessed,” and that’s what Jesus said, “Bless those that curse you.”  And as we get to that place of praying blessing on others even those that have hurt us that’s the key to step 7 which is resurrection morning and the key to Jesus after.  The key to Jesus after praying that prayer He died and He rose from the dead.  And we’ve seen resurrection come to people’s life, it’s as if they’re coming out of the grave, it’s as if the grave clothes have been stripped off them and the heart is being changed.  And what’s happening in the heart changes in the body because we have spirit, soul and body and what’s happening on the inside changes it on the outside.  It’s a wonderful experience to see people getting transformed to the healing God brings through forgiveness.

Sid: Peter, I think it’s so wonderful the way you have taught and put this in this little book…Would you pray that everyone that is listening would… that the Holy Spirit would convict and show us people we need to forgive that we have maybe even forgotten about.

Peter: Yeah, I’d love to pray for people.  Father God I want to thank You that your heart is to forgive us; but Lord you recognize that sometimes we cut ourselves off from you by the action of our own heart. And sometimes people would actually have forgotten about they are there in the background and the enemy is holding on to those things so that we can’t receive God’s healing and rest, restoring power.  I pray right now that as people are listening to this broadcast that Your Holy Spirit will bring to the surface the names of those people that they need to forgive. Bring them right now to the depths of their memory; bring them right back from early childhood though teenage years.

Sid: In Yeshua’s name.  And I believe so many of you are going to be healed right now. 

SID: Ron, you’re just exploding with so many concepts that many of our viewers have never heard. Let’s go back to what we ended with. You said the Jews killed Jesus, the Gentiles killed Jesus. So speak a little more about that.

RON: Well the Bible is very clear. In Acts, chapter 4, verse 27, it says, “Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in the city to conspire against your holy servant, Yeshua, whom you anointed.” That pretty much covers everyone. You know what I find interesting, Sid, is nobody goes to Rome to blame the Romans for killing Jesus. It wasn’t Jews who put the spikes in Yeshua’s hands and feet. It was Roman soldiers. But you never hear of anybody going to Rome and saying, oh, you Christ killers. It’s always just the Jews. But at the end of the day, I know who killed Jesus, and it was me, and it was you. He died because we sinned. If it wasn’t for our sin, he would not have had to die. And you know what he says John, chapter 10? He said, “No man takes my life. I freely lay it down.”

SID: But why, like in the Gospel of John it says, the Jews did this to Jesus, the Jews did that to believers in the Messiah. That would trigger some anti-Semitism.

RON: Well if you actually look at who they’re referring to, the Jews specifically meant those from Judea, not all Jewish people. But even if you look deeper in context, for instance in John 18 and 19, it refers to the Jews. But then it refers back to a conversation that the Jewish leadership had after Lazarus was raised from the dead, and that was just a small group of Jewish leaders, and it refers to that small group of Jewish leaders as “the Jews”. So typically, in John 18 and 19, when it says over and over again, “the Jews”, it’s referring to the high priests and the small group of Pharisees that met with him.

SID: Okay. I want to take Ron back to the involuntary witness protection program that Jesus has been in and is about ready to come out as Yeshua. As a matter of fact, it does say on the cross in three languages, “King of the Jews.”

RON: Right.

SID: So tell me how something so Jewish, I mean, everything you told me is Jewish, became the opposite in Judaism? It’s so Jewish that 3000 men plus women and children on the day of Pentecost, Shavuot, they were baptized, and they thought baptism was a Jewish thing. They didn’t say, oh we’re going enter a new religion called Christianity and this new thing. No, baptism was Jewish. All throughout Jerusalem, there were baptismal tanks or mikvot, where Jews would go into those before they would bring their sacrifice to the devil. And this grew as something Jewish. But as Gentiles began to come into the Kingdom, they quickly overshadowed the Jewish wing of the body of believers, if you will.

SID: They outnumbered us.

RON: Absolutely. And then in 49, the year 49, Claudius, the Roman emperor, kicked all the Jews out of Rome, now not just non-Messianic Jews, non-believers, all the Jews, Messianic Jews, everyone. They were kicked out. And then five, six years later, he dies. The Jews are allowed to come back into Rome. But during the time while they’re gone, the Roman believers, very young Roman believers, who by the way had no Bible during that time, because there was no New Testament. There was only the Torah scrolls and the writings. And when the Jews were kicked out, they took the Bible with them. So they had no means for revelation. But they still came up with the theology that God was punishing Israel by having the Jews kicked out of Rome. So when they came back, they were treated like second-class believers. Now when Paul hears about this, he writes this wonderful book called Romans, and sends it to the believers in Rome and he says, “Listen, the Gospel is to the Jew first, then to the Greeks.” In Romans 11, he says, “Has God rejected Israel? By no means.” King James, I love it. God forbid. He repeats it in verse 11 and then he goes on in verses 17 to 23, 24, some of the most scary verses in the Bible, where he says to the new Gentile believers, “Do not turn against the Jewish people. You are wild  olive tree branches, who have been grafted into this godly root. And yes, some of the Jews have been broken off, but God can graft them in. But don’t judge them, don’t be arrogant,” I’m quoting now, “don’t be arrogant, but be afraid. God can graft them back in.” And so he was warning the Gentile church. I don’t believe he was just speaking to a few Roman believers during that time. He was speaking to the church of the ages, and he was saying, “Do not turn against your elder brother, Israel.”

SID: So talk that way to a Gentile pastor that is against the Jewish people having the Land of Israel, against the Jews, because they’re forever cursed, talk to him right now for a minute.

RON: Well if you love Yeshua, if you love Jesus, you got to realize that you love a Jew. You love the writer of the Bible that says, “God can never reject Israel. Only if the sun disappears, the moon disappears,” Jeremiah, chapter 31 says, “only then can God reject the nation of Israel.” I would encourage you to read the scriptures afresh, let your minds be cleansed from what you learned about replacement theology, and just read the Bible without anyone else telling you what it means. And just like I would challenge Jewish people to read the Old Covenant, and ask yourself, apart from the rabbis or anyone else, is Yeshua the promised Messiah, I would challenge you to read those promises of God to Israel. And see if you alone in your study would come to the conclusion that the Jewish people have been replaced by the church.

SID: What about End Times? What if a Christian does not understand the Jew and Israel, and even worse, is anti-Semitic in these last days that we’re living in?

RON: Well I think it would be just a rude awakening for somebody who is anti-Semitic and a believer in Jesus to find out when he comes back, that he’s Jewish. This man that they love is one of them. I would warn them to very careful. The warning in Romans 11 is very clear. God said, “I can break you off, too, if you are not kind towards the Jewish people.” I would just challenge everyone at home to read Romans 11, verse by verse, for yourself and see what conclusion you come to. But I personally believe that as we get closer to the coming of Yeshua, that this issue of Israel will be a dividing, just like abortion. I don’t believe that you can be a born again believer in Yeshua and celebrate the murdering of unborn children. I also don’t believe that you can be an on-fire born again believer in Yeshua and say, God is against Israel, God is judging Israel, God hates Israel, as many church fathers actually say.

SID: Well you’ve got a lot to be thinking about. But the most important thing to be thinking about is, is Jesus your Lord. But he’s come out of the witness protection program. No more identity theft. Is Yeshua, the King of the Jews, your Messiah and Lord? How can you say you love God and be separated from God by your sins? The blood of Yeshua washes away your sins, makes you clean, as righteous as the Messiah and then you ask the Messiah of Israel to live inside of you. Do that right now. You’ll find out he is pure love and loves you.

Sid:  My guest is from Norway; he lives in the United States now his name is Leif Hetland.  And recently…I have had teachings on this subject before it’s called “Father Loves You.”  And they have been excellent teachings; but I tell you there’s something new it’s a fresh breath of God’s Spirit on this teaching.  And it’s called “The Father Loves You.”  Because there is a love deficit in everyone of us because we’ve had parents with love deficits.  And as a result it will be perpetuated until Jesus returns; we may go to heaven but what is the difference Leif Hetland between you ministering  to 1000′s of people in the love of God realm verses ministering to 1000′s of people with say supernatural gifts of the Spirit.  What is the difference to you?

Leif:  Well, I think that the major difference there is a favor and there is another word for it say it’s grace. But there is favor that is resting upon the assignment.  When I became a lover and became a son and my emphasis was son ship there’s a difference when I’m standing in front of 10, 20, 30, 40,000 people that or in America doing conferences and for leaders.  I was in Belmont Church and Nashville and last week I was in Columbus, Ohio in all of these great churches.  I have a straight A on my report card before I preach and teach so I don’t need to have the burden and depression and the stress because I got a new report card.  I am a lover, I am a son and inheritance belongs to son-ship. So when it comes to finances and I’m involved in 22 nations have over 2,000 home churches called lighthouses of love that we’re doing.  So all these needs to be financed so before was a burden and was the pressure; but after I became a son that inheritance belongs to son-ship but if you’re a servant and if you are a slave and if you are an orphan you have to work for everything.  And then you compete with other people so for me it has been a tremendous  difference in the sense of it’s not one or the other.  Because when I’m ministering lover is just who I am.  I do not… I teach love and I teach this message but that’s just the foundation but the result is power and demonstration of the Father’s love.  Because He came to destroy all the works of the devil. His mission statement is that none should perish, that is the Father heart of God. But to do that He has given power or the Greek word dunamis; He has given dynamite to a lot of orphans and what we’ve done is we have blown up ourself; our family and sometimes the people around us.  And made a lot more of devastation by being filled with the Spirit than being good.  And so my wife told me “When you use the word baptized or filled with the Spirit depending on who is listening on the audience but I had a special encounter as a Southern Baptist Pastor with the Holy Spirit.  She said “There was very little difference with your life except through your ministry.”  But she said “That after you had this baptism of love experience it changed everything about who you were.”  And the other thing that’s happening is favor favor like RT Kendall or Randy Clark or Jack Taylor and the list just goes on and on. People are calling me, I don’t call people and doors are opened up; right now 22 nations and 5 presidents of different country have invited me to come and to speak to them.  And ambassadors have invited me to come to the embassy and I’m not even looking for it.  All I want to do is to be home with my wife and children and to give them my love and to enjoy them.  I don’t have the desire to all these things that  before I would almost killed to get.  And now it is being given to me; I will do it because it is part of my destiny; it is part of my heart.  And that’s why I’m going to Norway next week and Brazil the week  afterwards and then I’m heading into Sudan into the refugee camp and latter on into the Middle East.  So I will continue to represent the Father of a lovely course that is part of my destiny and calling on my life. But my heart and desire is I don’t need to be on the poster, I don’t need to be the one that is speaking; I don’t need to have all of these different things because I already have an affirmation from Father God that already says “You are My beloved son.”

Sid: Leif why is it that once people capture this revelation that you teach on especially  on the four CD’s and then the healing CD.  Why is it that when they capture that they get healed whereas they’ve been trying, and trying and trying and nothing especially here in the US.

Leif: I think that there is two explanations for that but the major reason is 1^st John 4:16 says that “God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God.”  If you, right now while we are talking on  the phone there’s enough electricity to kill me.  Each one of us there is enough of the Holy Spirit to raise the dead.  But because of all of the insulation that is around we don’t feel anything.  And what I think what is taken place here is very very clearly is that when people get to be comfortable with love and these love deficits, and that’s my first prayer when I give the impartation because this is not about information it is revelation, impartation, and activation.  And when they get the impartation of this what is taking place right now is that suddenly now the Father is starting to strip away all those layers and they are getting touch with God and it doesn’t mean that He didn’t speak before because the Bible says “My sheep hears my voice.”  But the problem is our hearing that has been polluted by hurts, wounds, rejection, or rebellion, religion and the list goes on.  So the reason I believe even a lot of illnesses we know is psychosomatic so when they find security they find love, they find value, they find purpose and destiny automatically out of that. Eighty percent of all physical illnesses in America will go just by people you can say having a baptism of love experience and then there goes the physical thing.  And of course there was the view of God  that He is not.  They did it for that person and that and because of the view of that person they have of God; they have a god that doesn’t exist.  A god that  has been angry that is wrong.

Sid: A lot of people say I know that God heals, I know that He heals other people but He never heals me.

Leif:  And that’s what I’m saying. When there getting a new view and I believe it’s a Biblical view and I have it in my teaching because I am very precise because I am out of the Baptist background.  And I’m making sure that the whole theology is based upon the Bible.  I do have experiences but all of those experiences as I’m saying is never contrary through scriptures. And what were seeing here very very clearly is as soon as people get that.  I can tell about a lesbian that I ministered to 40 years, masculine as she could be couldn’t receive love.  The Lord started to speak to me about the little girl in the mothers womb.  I have the letter in my file.  That when she was 6 months old the mother rejected and she hoped that she was not pregnant  and the mother went into a depression. When she came out she shut down the feminine side and she was not able to receive from the feminine side and also from God.  And as a result of that all these love deficits comes up.  And now you have 40 years of medication and problem and suddenly now she’s just operating out of the masculine side.  But after we visited the 6 months old the Holy Spirit did that in the mother’s womb and redid that and He suddenly became the perfect Father and took away some of the words that were spoken and some other things. A year later I meet-ed this lady and I wouldn’t have even recognize her; with a beautiful long red dress, long hair and as feminine as you can be. And it’s very interesting that I am speaking the day before I’m coming on television with you at the Christian Medical and Dental Association with all these top leaders that you and I know.  With Lawrence Crab and even the former as I say Everett Coop, the former US Surgeon General.

Sid: Hmm.

Leif:  And to the psychiatrist of America Josh McDowell; Pat Robertson; Joni Erickson Tada; Ravi Zacharias all these people are part of this board.  But the president wrote me a letter after he had a touch and he wrote the testimony that I have in the front for me.  How he was so dramatically touched and dramatically changed and last week I prayed for  his wife and she was changed.  But all I asked was that things of her life that was not comfortable with love that the Holy Spirit would remove it away.  And then some supernatural thing took place because God because God does what He is and He is love.

Sid: So if I’m hearing you right everyone of us has these love deficits and most of them happened when we were young and we barely even remember it.  And unless there is a supernatural touch from God we can go to psychiatrist the rest of our life and never get fixed.

Leif:  That’s correct and it was like me; I ended up as a river junky I was very excited when renewal happened because I was a Baptist Pastor that was dried out that the power and all these things. But when I came up from the floor you can ask my wife and my children I was so much better than when I came down on the floor. Or even if I had to use the manifestation of shaking or prophetic words over me and all these different things.   Until I had this baptism of love experience and the amazing thing now is that I walk into a room.  I’ll give you one example a millionaire friend of mine I’ve never met before he was going to go on a trip with me.  He had all these love deficits he was going through a love devastation.  He was in a depression; he was in a depression; God visited him and when he came back from that trip, and he was with me in Cuba he would be a person that he was always in charge; always in control.  By the time we finished the trip in Cuba he was still wiping my forehead of the sweat and he was serving me and he was loving on me.   He came back to his office and everybody in the office had seen such a change.  He didn’t say one single word; his children changed.  Then when he went down to the beach he has a glorious condo and I had the benefits and that’s one of the side effects of  this ministry that he let us use the condo on the beach.  But the guy that owns all the jet ski’s and everything else; I got a call from this guy that’s full of tattoos and all of these more half-hippie you can say beach boys.  The were calling me and saying “Hey man are you coming down we hear you having a vacation and we want you to come down and visit us because we want that love stuff that Eddie got.”

Sid: Now your staff tells me that people who listen to your four CDs on “Father Loves You.” it is transforming these people. I mean this teaching and the anointing on it comes from your baptism in love I have to believe.

Leif:  There is no doubt about it it is a grace thing and it is an impartation but is a promise from the father.  If it was a problem we would try to achieve it, if it was a promise we could receive it.  It is a something that is in the Father’s heart for every single one of us.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to understand the Father heart of God to understand your value; to understand how much God loves you.  But not just intellectually; not just a cliché but in your heart of hearts; it revolutionize change your life.  There is a problem in the land and the problem has to do with a loss of fathers.  Many families in the United States are single parent families; many have fathers that are workaholics because not even that they have to be a workaholic but because they need the money to  keep up with the Jones.  Many fathers are just plain not able to show the love they have for their children.  Many fathers just plain don’t have the love for their children because they were abused  and they don’t know anything else but to do the same thing. I have on the telephone Leif Hetland and Leif has been intrusted with a special message from God called “The Father’s Loves You.”  And Leif what is it costing our nation to have this hunger for a father that we don’t have?

Leif: Let me first just …statistics doesn’t tell everything but I decided after I received the revelation of the Father Heart of God I decided to do some research because the Father spoke to me.  Or the Holy Spirit spoke to me very clearly that the faithlessness is the root issue of the United States of America and most nations. And it is part of if I were the devil that’s exactly what I would do. And he knows very clearly Malachi 4 verse 5 to 6 where it says “Behold I am going to send Elijah the Prophet before the great and the terrible day of the Lord and He will restore the hearts of the Fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers less I come and spite the land with a curse.”  So if there is not a restoration of bringing both in a natural sense; earthly sense  and a spiritual sense there will be a curse on the land.  So let me give you some from a statistic that I’ve found from the government.  Sixty-three percent of all youth suicides are from fatherless homes; Ninety percent of the homeless or runaway children are from fatherless homes; Eighty-five percent of the children that is having behavioral disorders is coming from fatherless homes that is from the center of disease control.  Eighty percent of the rapists is motivated from displaced anger that is from fatherless home; Seventy-one percent of high school drop outs is from fatherless homes.  Seventy-five percent of all adolescents of chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes.  I’m putting this in a very simple terminology if you are from a fatherless home either you had a abuse father, an absentee father, or a father that was not there you have 5 times more likely to commit suicide, 32 times more likely to run away,  20 times more likely to have behavioral disorder; 14 times more likely to commit rape; 9 times more likely to drop out of high school, 10 times more likely to be addicted to drugs; 9 times more likely to end up in state operated institution; and 20 times more likely to end end up in prison.  And 4.7 million children live totally absent from there biological father in America and I can continue with this list and 17 million children are living with their single mother.  So what government and scientists and specific leaders; this is government and we’re talking about a government that did a major research and I took and I went through internet and I did the research.  And it came up with one key word for the biggest disease that probably costs according to what we estimate about 500 billion dollars a year the consequences of a broken homes and all the things that have taken place of the faithlessness.  Five hundred billion dollars a year and the result of this is just a devastation for this nation.  And the where the scientists and the leaders came up with is what I love.  They said “The biggest problem we have in America today is father hunger; father hunger.” And that touched my heart and it touched my spirit and since then I’ve been on a mission. And I’ve been on a mission that I know Messiah Jesus He was on the same mission because He was the perfect Son that related to the Father.  And He had a mission and He was the way, He was the Truth and He was the Life; a way to the Father.

Sid:  And you know in your case because I read your story you had a father that loved you; you had a lots of love but for some reason you could not even feel his love.

Leif:  Yeah, and I think that many people are like me and it is like the prodigal son and even the prodigal bother.  You can come from a home where parents says “I do love you.” You come from a home where they provide for you but many of them came from places that you can still have these love deficits in your life that creates an orphan spirit.

Sid: You know in my case and this is true of a lot of Jewish people my father loved me but in our family the man would show love to the daughter but not show the love to the son.  And I don’t know if that is confined to just Jewish homes I assume that’s a lot of homes.

Leif: Well, in Muslim countries you will find where the opposite to a certain degree.

Sid: Hm.

Leif:  Where often the son…I just had the top Muslim leader in Pakistan oh actually he is the leader of the biggest mosque his name is Mohammed he visited my home last year.  He ignored my daughter, he ignored my wife and everything was about my son when I was in Pakistan recently when I had a trip in the Middle East and the Arab nation I visited him.  All he asked about was my son; he could careless about my wife and my daughters.  And that’s just a very interesting to see in Islam and also part of the enemies strategy is also to destroy the femininity that is there.  So what we see that God created us in His image to man and woman He created us; the image of God is.  And I’m not talking about the liberal theology where God is female.  I’m just talking about where there is a giving side; there is a receiving side; there is a rational side, there is an emotional side and it is important to understand that and operate in that.  And that became very important thing  for me there is a certain part of the month I needed to be more sensitive, operate more from a feminine side be more sensitive  to my wife.  And she need to learn to be more rational, she needed to operate out of more of the masculine side and I think that that has been a revelation that has helped our marriage just to be able to understand how these things operates.

Sid: Out of curiosity not to get too far astray-ed but you use a word love deficit which in many instances come from our mothers or our fathers. And then we transfer to our relationship with God.  For someone that’s a born again Christian what kind of behavior compensates for these love deficits?

Leif:  Usually what I’m seeing is it’s one out of two things; one of them is rebellion and rebellion doesn’t need to be in the sense that it’s very visible but you see it in the invisible where you have this give me> Where a lot of the people there would have a value system towards God; towards church; towards leadership where your value is where what you are going to do for me.  So I didn’t like this sermon, I didn’t like this music so I’d go somewhere else.  So the whole thing is this give me, give me mentality so this one tendency is that they have love deficits.  And that is that the value system towards God, towards church, towards even marriage.  I often said and I’m almost scared to say this over the radio station but I just want to be blunt it is almost like having two ticks but no dog in marriage.

Sid: Hm.

Leif:   And that’s the way it is this me, me, me and it’s about me.  And you will see that in renewal conferences and I can be honest say that it’s in where I’m working most of the time in the Charismatic and the renewal circles that has often been the tendencies.  It’s been kind of bless me, give me, fill me, instead of valuing God for who He is.

Sid: You see the trend in Christian media is there is a true legitimate law in the scriptures  called “The law of sowing and reaping.”

Leif: Yeah.

Sid: However, it’s kind of intermingled with self and greed and you get a perversion.

Leif:  You do so that’s I think that that is one of the perversion and we see that clearly and that’s  definitely the sadness is that we are exposing this also to the third world.   The other one is the religious where I feel a lot of where I came from.  I was a Southern Baptist Pastor for ten year and that is that evangelical camp where we and my identity was “Look what I am doing for You God.”  The prodigal brother issue is what I call it and that is the other love element that shows love deficient where your value system is in what I am doing for God. I am praying, I’m studying,  I am a good provider; I am this I am that.  And my whole identity after being a prodigal son I become a prodigal brother and you saw that in my whole identity.  So I came home to my wife she was wrong with me because I mean I lead 1000′s to the Lord.  Talk about the ones that was healed; talk about the ones that saw my anointing.  My identity was my giftings and what I was doing instead of who I was.

Sid: By the way, how was your marriage after you repented and walked this out of what you said you were going to walk out?

Leif:  It’s been amazing; it’s been fantastic.  I can be honest to say that I’ve been married for over 16 years and I’ve always been faithful to my wife and I can say that over the radio.  But there is something different that has connected; first of all  my wife came from a very difficult background where her father was unfaithful on several occasions.  A Southern Baptist Pastor, she has a brother in prison, one that killed him…or that jumped from a bridge with two children went through a lot of different.  So she had a lot of insecurities in her life to a certain degree and then she married this Norwegian Viking  that somehow had all of his love deficits.

Sid: Sounds to me like it was a set up.

Leif:  I think that it was a set up but to see now what God has done.  The good news for me was God spoke to me and it didn’t make sense because I had a big ministry base and still as an orphan to be honest.  The saddest thing is that most of the greatest things that people know about me is that I did not know it.  Out of hyper religious activity and trying to please God; and through his grace he used me in a powerful way and I have 21 video’s to show and prove that and that was His grace at the same time period. Right now there is very little sweat or anything else, but my wife she see’s that she doesn’t get the left over.  My wife knows also and one of the major…

Sid: Oh, we’re out of time,,,

Sid: Well I’m interviewing Erick Stakelbeck on his brand new book “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy.” Why do you say the Muslim Brotherhood Erick is America’s next great enemy?

Erick: Remember Sid the Muslim Brotherhood is main driving force behind all of the terrorism we see today. It’s not just the Brotherhood that’s America’s next great enemy it’s this whole global radical Islamic movement led by the Brotherhood, but including its offshoots like Al Qaeda, like Hamas, like homegrown Jihadists, Boston bomber types, Fort Hood shooters, these type of individuals Sid. All of them stem from the Brotherhood, and from the Muslim Brotherhood’s radical ideology. Also by the way, the Iranian regime, the Iranians, Hezbollah, not to get too in the weeds theologically, but Sunnian Shia; yeah they’re at each other’s throats often, but when it comes to killing Christians and Jews they get along just fine. I believe this is the next… it’s the current enemy now Sid really since 9/11 in particular, this threat this Islamic terror threat has come to the forefront and it’s got staying power Sid. This has been 1400 years of Jihad. What we’re seeing now is just the latest phase.

Sid: Okay, the average American they’re kind of interested in the uprisings and what’s going on in the Middle East, and the changing of administrations, and what’s happening in Israel. But why should the average American, in particular the average American Christian, be concerned about these things going on so far away?

Erick: Number 1 Sid let’s look at Egypt which has been the main power base of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now when the Brotherhood was overthrown by the Egyptian military, the Brotherhood was only in power one year, Mohamed Morsi kicked out by the Egyptian military I believe the Brotherhood will not go quietly, I’m very concerned Sid that what we’re going to see is civil war in Egypt, and sustained civil unrest. Now if the Brotherhood and its radical ally…

Sid: I’ve read statements that the Brotherhood in Egypt says “We’re going to fight till the death.”

Erick: Yes, if they and their allies decide to do that Sid, if they decide to wage a Jihad against the Egyptian military we could see a few things. One thing we could is a campaign of terrorism. Imagine Sid if the Suez Canal was targeted by terrorism; now that’s where a good amount of the world’s oil passes through every day…

Sid: What repercussion would that have on us Americans if that happens?

Erick: Every American would feel it Sid, every time they went to the pump to fill up they would feel it in their pocketbook. Oil and gas prices would soar if the Suez Canal was shutdown. If Egypt the world’s most influential, most populous Arab nation, if it descends into civil war the global economy is going to feel it. Look Egypt right now is moving towards famine, starvation I’m not exaggerating. The Egyptian economy is so bad right now that there’s talk of potential…

Sid: They’re massacring Christians, why are they doing that in Egypt?

Erick: The ideology Sid, the Islamist ideology of many in Egypt whether it’s Muslim Brotherhood or look the Egyptian military also has not been kind to Egypt’s Christians, but this is Biblical Sid this is throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Christians in the birthplace, the cradle of Christianity are on the run they are being tortured, harassed, murdered, they’re fleeing the Middle East. This is very Biblical Jesus said “We would suffer for our faith it’s not going to be easy.” Yeshua tells us it’s not going to be easy in the latter days, and remember a prophecy to remember about Egypt Isaiah 19 and I’m paraphrasing here Sid talks about in the latter days a cruel master rising to power in Egypt. It talks about every Egyptian against every Egyptian, brother against brother, and I believe Sid it could be prophesying Isaiah may have been prophesying about a future civil war in Egypt, and don’t count out a potential war with Israel another reason people here need to care. If Egypt – Israel go to war the regions on fire the whole worlds going to feel that as well.

Sid: Comment just briefly, Turkey used to be the least religious country of all of them and all of a sudden it’s flipped from being a friend to Israel and the United States to an enemy.

Erick: You know Sid I have an entire chapter on the Turkish threat in my new book. Turkey in 2002 took a turn for the worse. Basically the Turkish version of, yes, the Muslim Brotherhood came to power in Turkey. It is now led by a man named Erdogan. Now he is a lifelong anti-Semite I describe in my book his history. He’s an enemy of Israel, but he is a friend to President Obama. Sid as a matter of fact, President Obama talks to this Turkish president Erdogan more than any other world leader other than David Cameron from Britain. They are fast friends is our president and this radical Islamist Turkish leader.

Sid: Speaking of strange bedfellows, there was an organization, there is an organization called Occupy Wall Street. In your book you tell us who financially supported them, tell us.

Erick: Yeah Occupy Wall Street everyone remembers Sid this was anarchist communist Marxist rally against the American system, against American capitalism. Very strange that radical Islamist around the world supported this movement vocally. Everyone from the Iranian regime to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah all these Jihadist around the world; all of them Sid issued statements supporting the communists, anarchists, and atheists at occupy Wall Street. Now why would they do that? Because our radical Islamic enemies support any movement that weakens the fabric of America. You didn’t see them supporting the Tea Party Movement because that was in favor of a strong traditional America, but Occupy Wall Street which sought to tear America down from within the Islamist were all for it. No surprise there.

Sid: Now you say that America is losing in this battle with radical Islam or the Muslim Brotherhood.  Why do you say that?

Erick: The main problem is political correctness. We have yet to admit who we are facing. Who are we fighting Sid? Our government tells us we’re fighting violent extremist. Okay, are these Hindu extremist, Buddhist extremist? No, we are in a war against Islamic Jihadist, Islamist. This is a totalitarian ideology it is a seamless transition from Nazism to communism, to Islamism. Not every Muslim is an Islamist, but there is a significant portion of the Muslim world that yes subscribes to the Osama Ben Laden brand of Islam. Yet we can admit what we’re up against Sid. I’ll give you an example how pathetic, and I use that word pathetic it’s become with our head in the sand philosophy. The Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan who slaughtered 13 American servicemen yelled “Allah Hu Akbar” as he was doing it. In the pentagon’s official review of that attack, and I describe this in the book, they called that terrorist rampage “Workplace violence.” That’s how our own government Sid identified the Fort Hood terrorist attack, “Workplace violence.” He just had a bad day at the office and went and killed 13 people. That’s a problem.

Sid: Why… Is the secular press afraid of telling the truth about Muslim Brotherhood, or are they conned? What do you think?

Erick: I think they’re conned first of all. Sid as you and I have discussed the Muslim Brotherhood are the dirtiest players in the game. Man they are slick, they are media savvy, they wear suits and ties they’ll tell you everything you want to hear. So yes they’re conned, secondly the main stream liberal media consistently supports what they see as the underdog. Right now big bad America is oppressing those poor unfortunate Muslims. That’s another mind frame of the media. Sid also remember many in the media are gatekeepers are committed leftist. So they see the Islamist who are chipping away at the fabric of America and they kind of like it because they don’t like traditional America either.

Sid: Well your book is brand new “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy” but you’ve had some pretty substantial people review your book. Tell me what Glenn Beck had to say about your new book.

Erick: Glenn (Laughing) supported my work, he’s been great to me Sid. He called the book “Genius.” Never been called a genius before my wife has to laugh at that one, she says the opposite. Glenn calls it “Genius” I’m very indebted to him; Allen West who was a brave American serviceman was a congressman said “It’s a must read.” Michelle Bachman who everyone knows ran for president recently she also said “It’s a must read for every American” so I’m flattered, I’m honored. That such influential strong people would get behind the book and that’s my goal with this book Sid I want to get it in the hands of every lawmaker on Capitol Hill, every decision maker in this country and make a difference. Open eyes and help lift the scales… with the help of the Holy Spirit lift the scales from our decision makers eyes and wake them up to this Muslim Brotherhood threat. The fox is guarding the hen house and time is short and getting shorter. If we don’t wake up and face…

Sid: Speaking of the fox guarding the hen house… even the most conservative press Fox news a high percentage of it is owned by Muslims. The thing that… I want to leave this thought with you from his book “Historically the Muslim Brotherhood collaborated with the Nazis, assassinated Anwar Sadat, helped find Al Qaeda” you can’t call this a moderate group.

Sid: Now I have one of my favorite singers on the telephone Julie True.  Julie I haven’t talked to you in a long time but I want you to know that I use your music because it supernaturally helps me to be able to pray in tongues for an hour.  And that’s my background music and so I am worshiping God every day to your  music.

Julie: Well, that is amazing.

Sid: Well, somehow I can’t really explain it but a lot of people say “Sid, how can you pray in tongues for an hour a day?  And so somehow your music allows me to do that.  Anyway for those that aren’t familiar with Julie I want to take you back to my favorite situation in your life. You move out in the country to a farm area; you don’t have enough room for your piano; you put your piano in the barn.  The barn’s not air condition; it’s not heated and in the coldest days of winter in the evening you have a need to worship God and you go out to the barn and you start worshiping God.  What was the…explain to me why you would do that in such cold weather?

Julie: Well, it I…once you realize how it opens up your own life; it opens up really I feel like itt opens us up to revelation and to signs and wonders and to just to God’s atmosphere basically.  And so you get hungry for it and you will go anywhere you have to go.  And so that was a wonderful time of my life actually not in the physical but in that the spiritual of just learning to sing my heart to God I loved that time.  And I would stay up really late and just sing my heart to Him.

Sid: And I understand you began singing questions and then singing answers from God.

Julie:  (Laughing) Yeah it’s amazing I mean I really feel like anybody can do that.  I really think that it’s a ask and you shall receive kind of thing. 

Sid: You know what’s coming to me “Have you ever notice someone who stutters when they sing they don’t stutter? I’m wondering if that’s same thing is true with prophesy; someone that doesn’t prophesy but when they sing they’ll prophesy.  Is that what you’re saying?

Julie:  (Laughing) Well that could be true I mean I’ve never thought of it at that way but I don’t think about myself as somebody who prophesies. But a lot of people say that I prophesy through my music so they hear it that way. So, yeah I just think it is a natural; it’s a really natural thing; it’s just a conversation with God that goes on and it just doesn’t even have to stop. I carry on conversation with God all the time and I go in and out of singing worship to Him and praising Him or asking Him questions.  And there’s just a constant answering back and I encourage everybody to try it.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity I know that your father was the worship leader of a church that believed in worship but did not believe in musical instruments.  So how did you breakthrough to play the piano and sing?

Julie:  Well, it was a long journey but I grew up singing only hymns and we did not have any instruments in the church.  But my grandmother had a piano and I realized at an early age that I loved to play the piano.  And so later my parents were able to get one for us and so I spent lots and lots of time playing the piano and playing those hymns. I would just play them as instrumentals on the piano. It was actually looking back it was great training and it was great. I love hymns and they are like little capsules of truth that you can pull up at any time in any situation and have a whole encouraging word from the Bible.  And so I love that but eventually I got exposed to contemporary worship and to singing from the Psalms.

Sid: I understand in college you started writing songs; how did that happen?

Julie:  Well, I took a worship class I went to…it was a school they also did not believe in using instruments but it was a class on worship and they believed in God. And for my term paper I do not like writing term papers and I just kind of jokingly asked my professor if I could write a song instead of a term paper?  And he said “Well, as long as it’s a worship song.”  And so I ended up writing 7 songs for that term paper and that was huge, huge thing in my life; a beginning point of me learning that I could sing to God and express my worship in my own way.

Sid: Now you  asked God “What is your purpose?”  That’s that’s a good question, I think everyone should be asking God that question; “What is  my purpose?”  But He answered you, what did He tell you?

Julie:  He said to infiltrate the earth with sounds of healing; and that is not a word I would typically use.  But I knew exactly what He meant and it felt like truth to me; it was instantaneous while I was driving and I pulled off the road and wrote it down on a peace of paper and I embraced it.  It just became kind of the focus of my ministry from that point on.

Sid: What I love about your music is you have a frequency that in the Spirit that I call “peace packaged.”  I believe that when you sing there’s something that happens to some people with all of their hurts, all of their wounds that it kind of dissipates; and then it’s easy for them to be healed. Have people told you that?

Julie:  Yes, and you know I do believe that;  I that we…that there are frequencies of sound and somehow that resonates in peoples lives in that kind of way.  And God just kind of uses it in that way to bring peace into their house or their situation.  Or lots of times I hear people that are in hospital or you know going through some other type of suffering and it just helps them to be at peace and so I love that because I need it too.

Sid: Well, we all do but everyday I get “peace packaged” I can tell you that through Julie True’s worship  music. Now I was brainstorming with the Holy Spirit one day and I felt the Holy Spirit said to me “That My people don’t worship Me enough.” And then I interviewed a man by the name of Norvel Hayes whose a General in faith.  And he had almost it was like 11 – 12 businesses at one time. Many of them were million dollar businesses; he was jetting all over the  world speaking on behalf of Jesus.  And I said “What is your secret?” And he said “Worship; he worships God every morning.”  So I said “Julie if you can design a music CD will call it “24 – 7 Worship” I believe that everyone that’s listening to this I mean the presence of God is so strong right now. And if we could record it live in our studio with people soaking to that music because we have such a strong anointing in our service.  In the studio; we’ve had so many guests come there that the presence of God is just overwhelming.  And we combine that presence of God with your worship.  And I said “Julie I want you to read books and study on worship because you’re doing it but I want you to use it as an example of how you do it and others are going to be able to worship God. And that’s how we came up with our brand new DVD called “Worship 24-7” recorded right in our studio.  And a CD along but the CD doesn’t have a lot of extras that the DVD has but I like your CD for in the car and when I’m driving and things like that.  And then I asked you to put together a special CD on worship on your best songs that you did for Messianic Vision.  And the entire package 2 CDs; l DVD of this amazing music we’re making available…Let’s listen to a little of this music that called spontaneous music recording under the anointing of “The It’s Supernatural Television Studio.”   “Worship 24-7” our new DVD CD is exclusive only through “It’s Supernatural.”

Julie: Worship excerpt 11:01