Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah but on yesterday’s broadcast I found out that she said “God I am so desperate for you I know that there’s more I am totally dissatisfied.” But wait a second now Debbie Rich; how could someone that sees the miracles you see; see’s people’s lives transformed under the anointing of God as you proclaim the words of God; seen the dead raised; have had heavenly experience; how can you say that “You’re totally dissatisfied where you’re at?”
Debbie: Well, I believe the the more we know Him that the more we want to know Him. And Smith Wiggles-worth; that famous English preacher who had 20 some people raised from the dead; made a statement that I believe represents this. He said “The only thing that I’m satisfied with is my dissatisfaction because God wants to take us from glory to glory to glory.” I don’t want to stay where I’m at; I’m so thankful for what I have seen; what I have known and the people’s lives who have been changed in our ministry but I know that there is more. And I want to reach the entire world with the gospel; I want the whole world to know that Jesus Christ is alive and well; and so I know that there is more yet.
Sid: And you are prophetic; are you a prophet?
Debbie: Yeah, well I’m hesitant to call myself that because I know that there’s so many people that try to put labels on themselves.
Sid: But most of the profits I know are non-profit but anyway. (Laughing)
Sid: Anyway seriously you told me that God showed you what is about ready to happen in the United States and even the world. Briefly tell me.
Debbie: Well, I would just say that this is more of an inner knowing but there have been several times that we’ve stepped out and begin to prophesy things above where our natural thinking is at. And I just know that the immanent return of the Lord Jesus Christ is nigh at hand. And…
Sid: But Debbie, every generation has said that and every generation should say that but you feel that this is really it. Oh, yeah just within the last few months can feel things building. We can see somethings in the natural that a person would have to blind if they know the word of God not to see things developing around us. But it’s what the Holy Spirit is telling on the inside that we must reach the lost now; that He’s coming back for His bride and He wants a Bride from every nation and every culture. And all I keep hearing him say is that it would be a new awakening in America and Canada where I’m at right now. The liberality of the laws we see people taking God out of everything..
Sid: Listen on TV in Canada you’re not even allowed to talk about homosexuality.
Debbie: That’s right.
Sid: It’s you’ll break the law if you say that this is what the Bible says.
Debbie: That’s right; and I’ve just found myself weeping the last few days and I can tell it’s the Spirit of God grieving that we must have revival; bring in this harvest and we’re going home. And judgment is about to fall; especially upon the nations that know better. And..
Sid: Well, I’m reminded of the scripture “To whom much is given; much is required.” So America has no excuse.
Debbie: Absolutely, none; absolutely none.
Sid: Debbie, when you were a crying out to God the other day and you had that marvelous visitation you said to God “You were willing to pay the price; what did you mean by that?”
Debbie: Well, I believe to operate in the supernatural realm that we’ve got to have a sensitivity to the Holy Spirit where the things of this world to quote an old song singing “Grow strangely dim in the light of His wonder and His grace.” And I want Jesus to become more real to me than anything this earth holds. And I believe it’s part of paying that price where you’re not caught up in the things of this world and the relationships of this world. And sometimes you can become too conscious of the persecution against you. I want to get to the place that “Jesus You’re all that matters and I will go where You tell me to go and I will say what You tell me to say and I will not hold back even though it may be costly for me; even though…
Sid: That is not the 21st century American gospel. Let me explain you don’t know Dr. Debbie Rich that the gospel according to the 21st century American version is “Say a prayer with Billy; live like the world and you have your life insurance policy.”
Debbie: Yes, that does seem to be what is being propagated but that is not what the Bible tells us.
Sid: There is such a difference between the Bible and what we’ve been taught; I think that the greatest hoax put on American Christians is what I just said. Read, the Bible…you know I tell Jewish people “Read the Bible; think for yourself.” Well, I’m going to tell people who call themselves Christians and act like the world “Read the Bible; think for your self.” What does He mean where He says “Narrow is the way that leads to life; few there are that find it.” I mean and that is not what is being taught in the pulpits of America. Debbie, I’m going to take you back to when you were 18 years of age; just a kid. You met a guy; he swept you off your feet, but he wanted to marry you. Why did you marry him?
Debbie: Well, I grew up in a small Pentecostal Church and I was under the impression that you know there is just nobody serving the Lord and if somebody says that he is and he’ll go into the ministry with you you better take him. And he was very romantic and as he said “Debbie, I’m not called to preach but I know you are and I’ll be behind you all the way and I’ll go to Bible school with you.” And I had my doubts something seemed wrong; he didn’t seem as on fire for the Lord as I was. But when I talked to people about that they said “Oh, you’re just demanding perfection Debbie; how many men are going to be willing to support you in the ministry and go to Bible School with you; you know those are little things that you are concerned about.” And I thought “This is just prenuptial gritters I’m just concerned about.” I’m nervous something seems wrong but you know I was a kid and had not been taught enough about listening to that voice of the Holy Spirit and I overrode those checks. And thought “This is just nervousness and I’m going to go ahead and marry him and we’ll go into the ministry together and it’s going to be wonderful.”
Sid: Like television taught you.
Sid: Or the movies.
Sid: But unfortunately it was the opposite; it must have been one of your worse nightmares.
Debbie: Oh it was; in fact last night in my service I thought that the Lord told me to get more detailed than I’d ever gotten about it to help others get healed up. And He told me to start doing that more; but I woke up to abuse the next morning that lasted for the next 18 years.
Sid: Was it mental or was it physical abuse?
Debbie: It was both and it daily a barrage of verbal abuse.
Sid: Why did you stay with him so long?
Debbie: Well, I’d grown up in Pentecost and I’d felt that divorce was probably about the only unpardonable sin and I felt that I’d never have a ministry. And then we started having the children I thought for the sake of the children I need to stay with him. Only to realize all these years later that more pain was afflicted on my children and that they use to hide in the closets and pray that I would have the courage to leave him.
Sid: Tell me a few of the details.
Debbie: Well, I was not allowed to ever see a doctor and when I became expectant with my first child he said,,,
Sid: Why didn’t he want you to see a doctor?
Debbie: Just because of his own lust and perversion he felt that a doctor could not look at a woman and not lust after her.
Debbie: In fact he wouldn’t even speak to me on our honeymoon because my mother had taken me to a doctor before we were married. And he said to put it in very blunt words he said “I feel like the doctor got you and not me and so I’m not going to speak to you.” And then when he finally started speaking and went to Bible school he got in fights in Bible School. If somebody was just parked in his spot he got out of the car and beat them up. And then one day I came home from Bible School and work and found out that he had withdrawn me from Bible School. We went to work for the pastor he grew up with as the youth ministers and we got fired from that position. And I found out that he was making passes at the girls in the youth group and I just felt that I was doing something wrong; I wasn’t in faith enough; not pretty enough. If I’d get my act together he will love only me. And so I dieted and I lifted weights; he asked me to that because he was a weight lifter until I was so thin that I was about ready to blow away. And then I became expectant with our first child he wouldn’t allow me to see a doctor. I tried to have that boy alone and out in the country and we both almost died. And when my mother-in-law came and called a rescue unit when I got to the hospital they said that “He would have never been born and we would have died” And there was physical abuse on occasions where I was kicked; my glasses were broken and I was hit in the face. There would have been that daily had I never had said no to anything but I never did because I knew that was what would happen. And he continued to have affairs with…he made passes at my relatives; my friends all through the years. And daily told me that I didn’t have him I would have nobody because I was too fat at the weight of 105. And just terrible temper and just perverse lust (where some of that abuse is what I don’t get into publicly) but that was as bad as anything to where even though he was my husband the perversion he was into he could not be satisfied. I felt like I was being raped daily. And so I had abuse on all sides for 18 years.
Sid: Knowing what you know today what advice would you give to a woman that is listening right now and going through the same thing.
Debbie: Well, I would tell her first of all that God does not expect any woman to live or any man for that matter to live in fear of their own life. Losing their life to be beaten up to be abused like that. Woman are to submit to their own husbands as the church submits unto Christ who gave His life for the church. But a man like that is not loving his wife as Christ loves the church. And you don’t have to submit to sin; you don’t have to submit to the devil or to hell. And I would say first of all; get in a safe place; seek the Lord and continue to pray and believe for his deliverance and his turnaround but you don’t have to live in it while he is making the free choice to submit to the Lord or not.
Sid: I mentioned though that a lot of woman are in these situations because they have children and if they were to leave they can’t support themselves.
Debbie: That’s right; that’s right. There’s a terrible fear and when you’re under that kind of verbal abuse you lose all dignity; you begin to not be able to think for yourself when you’re under that kind of domination. And you have no respect for yourself and you can’t even hold your head up after awhile or make decisions. And that’s when you have to say “Jesus you have to be my strength, my grace; my direction; and you and I can do anything Lord.”
Sid: Debbie, I’m sorry we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast. Mishpochah whether that’s your situation or another circumstance that says “You can not achieve what God has for your life; that’s a lie.