JOHN:  That movie was AWESOME!  And so I come along and say God is awesome and you go so was my burger and so was the movie. What does awesome mean? Full of awe.  See we use words so loosely today we lose the power of them. The Hebrews they were so careful, so very rarely does a Hebrew elevate to the third degree. Right? So, so  here’s Isaiah. He is before the throne of God. It has to be a spiritual vision, he couldn’t have been there in his body. And he’s there in the spirit, he’s groveling on the floor, these massive angels are not singing a song, they’re responding to what they see. They’re not singing, these seraphim. You know what? I’ve been, I’ve been, I’ve been here for ten trillion years. God, can I go see some other parts in the universe? They don’t, they don’t want that. They don’t want to be anywhere else. Because there’s nothing in creation more beautiful than the Creator. And so every moment another facet of His glory is being revealed. And all they can do is cry “holy!” And they’re crying “Holy” so loud the doorposts of that auditorium, that can seat probably a billion people are shaking. And you know what builders told me when I lived in Florida, they said if you’re ever stupid enough to hang around when a hurricane comes through, get underneath the door jams of the interior room of the house, it’s the most stable part of the structure. Their cries of responding to what they see are shaking a building in heaven that seats a million, a billion people.   Do you understand Isaiah’s groveling, he’s groveling on the ground, “I’m coming apart at the seams” and he’s crying out “Woe is me” because he realized who he was before this holy God. Look, don’t get me wrong. Jesus brought us and reconciled us back to the Father. But He’s still God, and in the New Testament He’s still called “the consuming fire.” He’s still called “the just and holy God” in the New Testament. So we have to understand Him as Daddy and we have to know Him as King. And when you understand that when we know Him as Daddy, [and] we know Him as King, we leave a very healthy life. Can I pray for you tonight?

AUDIENCE:                 Yeah.

JOHN:  You say, John, you know what? “Can I tell you, let me tell you this. How did this all begin with me? I went to a church back in the mid-nineties. They had just had an internationally-known revivalist. He was there for 4 weeks. The community had 60,000 people in it and the church had a 1000 members. They had 1/60th of the community in that church. It was a hopping church. I went in there and I preached a little bit on the fear of the Lord, much lighter version of what you heard tonight “cause I didn’t know what I know now. The next night when I got up to speak again the pastor got up and corrected me for 15 minutes. He said, “We don’t. John is confused, we do not have to fear the Lord because the Bible says “perfected love casts out fear,” we have the Father, we love Him, we don’t have to fear Him.” Well he confused the spirit of fear with the fear of the Lord. And I’ll never forget I went out the next day and I found a construction site “cause I like love praying outside. And I remember I literally, I, I was terrified, I thought “God, I hurt your church, I’ve been corrected by a pastor for 15 minutes before I was introduced last night.” And I said, “I’ve hurt Your church, I’m so sorry.” And I remember crying out to God. And I didn’t feel his displeasure, I felt His pleasure. And before that prayer time was over I found myself crying out for the fear of the Lord.           And that’s how my whole journey began. And so tonight I want to pray with you that the same Holy Spirit of the fear of the Lord will manifest and fill your life. Because you know the Bible says “the fear of the Lord is safe.” I don’t know about you but I want to be safe. Right? It’s too, too messed up of a world right now. And I’m not scared of the world, believe me I’m not scared. When you’re safe you’re fearless when it comes to the world. Okay? You don’t go hide, you’re fearless. You’re going to serve who you fear. If you fear God you’re not going to fear anything the world has to throw at you. But if you fear men you’re going to serve men. I don’t know about you but I want to serve God. Amen?

AUDIENCE:                 Amen.

JOHN:  So if you say, “John, I want fear of the Lord” I want you to just, if you’re watching by video or if you’re in here tonight, just lift up your hands right now. And so Father, we come before You. You are the spirit of wisdom, You are the Spirit of might, You are the spirit of understanding, the spirit of counsel. You are the Spirit of the Lord God, but You are also the Spirit of the fear of the Lord. It is that manifestation we desire tonight, we ask You for tonight. I’m asking, Heavenly Father, in Jesus” name, that You would baptize every one of us with a fresh baptism of the Holy Spirit of the fear of the Lord. May Your Presence manifest, in Jesus” name. There’s His presence right there, just lift your hands up. In Jesus” name. There’s His presence right there. Father, thank you, for what You’re doing in here right now. Even as people are being filled, their bodies are being healed. There’s chronic pain that is been suffered in someone’s back and you will not suffer that chronic pain any longer because it’s like oil that is pouring right down your spine even right now. Others of you are having joint problems, arthritic problems, we curse it now, because the fire of God is literally revitalizing those joints. The presence of the Lord is in this place, somebody’s foot’s being healed. I don’t know what’s wrong with your foot but your foot’s being healed right now. I break the power of nightmares, reoccurring nightmares that have plagued you, no they’re not messages from God and they are not condemning messages to you. They are a demonic attack and I break that attack off of your life in the name of Jesus. Now Lord, I thank You for freedom in this room and I thank you for your presence manifesting, In Jesus” name, amen. Amen. Can we thank God for what He’s done? Amen, Amen, Amen. God bless you!

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JOHN:  So Jesus says “No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing,” the master’s ways, his secrets, his wisdom. “But I now have called you friends.” Now here’s His universal decree to the whole church. This is John 15:14, you ready? Jesus said, “You are my friends…” Now we always stop it right there. We sing songs about it, we preach sermons about it, we write books about Jesus being our friend, right? But we never finish the statement. Because He said, “You are my friends if.” Now “if” where I come from in Colorado is a “condition.” Okay? In other words, if I look at you and I say, “I will pay you 2000 dollars if you work for me next month.” Did you hear the word “if?” IF you work for me next month. So you don’t do anything for me next month and then you come to me saying “where’s my 2000 dollars?” I say forget it. I told you I would pay you the 2000 IF you work for me next month. You didn’t work for me the next month therefore you don’t get the 2000. We all understand that. Why don’t we understand it when it comes to the Bible? Because Jesus said, “You are my friends IFÖ” Well, what’s the condition? You want to know it? He said “You are my friends IF you do WHATEVER I command you.” There it is, the fear of the Lord, trembling at His word. You know what Jesus is saying? Not everybody in the church is My intimate close friend. But He passionately desires everyone to be His close friend. Because James 4:5 says “the Spirit who dwells in us yearns.” To yearn means to long for intensely and consistently. He yearns for our intimate fellowship. He yearns for our friendship intensely. So He yearns, but you see He loves us so much He wants to protect us so we’re not a statistic like Ananias and Sapphira or an example like Ananias and Sapphira. So can you imagine, here’s God wanting to come down, wrap His big arms around Israel and reveal Himself to them because He said “I brought you out to reveal you to Myself.” But He comes down and they all run away. And if you keep reading you’ll find out in Deuteronomy chapter 5, God reviewed that account with Moses. And God said: You know what, Moses? I really, really wanted to reveal Myself to all of them but they didn’t fear Me so I couldn’t. So I told them to go to their tents and I told you to come stand by Me and I talked to you face to face and My voice to them was like thunder. You know people ask me all the time they say where do you get these revelations from your book? Can I be really honest with you? I believe what God has revealed has come out of the fear of the Lord. And can I tell you something? The fear of the Lord and humility run hand in hand. Okay? The person who truly fears God, let me tell you something, you become much more humble. A lack of humility in a person’s life is a lack of the fear of the Lord. If you look at, if you look at Isaiah. Isaiah’s a, he’s a, he’s a godly man, he’s a preacher of holiness, of righteousness. I mean if you look at his book, Isaiah 4, 5, chapters 4 and 5, “Woe to the ungodly, Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, Woe to the drunkard, right? When it comes to Isaiah 6 and he gets one glimpse of the Lord, it’s no longer “Woe is the drunkard.” It’s “Woe is me.” And you know what he says? He says “I’m coming apart at the seams,” that’s literally what he’s saying. Because for the first time in Isaiah’s life, even though he’s a preacher of righteousness, he realized who it really was he was serving and for the first time in his life he realized who he was before this holy God. Because you’ve have to remember these seraphim are massive angels. And when he saw the Lord, these seraphim were covering their faces and one was crying to the other, “Holy, Holy, Holy.” Now we wrote a song and people sleep when we sing the song, it’s a hymn, “holy, holy, holy,” and people, half the people are sleeping, right? That is not what they’re doing. They are responding to what they see. Every moment another facet of His holiness is being revealed. Okay? His greatness is being revealed and all they can do is cry “Holy.” Now they’re not crying “holy, holy, holy” three times. That’s a Hebrew form of writing. I’ve got an expert here in Sid. Whenever the Hebrews want to emphasize a word they’d write it twice. Like when Jesus said “Verily, Verily, I say unto you.” Right? If you were in that room He would have said “VERILY, I say to you.” When He said “Not everybody who says to me, Lord, Lord.” You would have heard it like this, “Not everybody who says to me LORD is going to enter the kingdom of heaven.” They go whoa, we got to emphasize it. They write it twice. They would, we today we boldface, we italicize, right? We put all caps. The Hebrew writers would write it twice. Very rarely does a Hebrew writer elevate it to the third degree. Okay? You see it in the Book of Revelations when the angels go “Woe, Woe, Woe.” They don’t go “Woe” three times. They are railing “Woe” so loud that John writes it three time because Hebrews really respect words. Okay? And so they won’t ever, you know we overemphasize, Naaa, (slaps table) you got to eat at an “In and Out Burger.” IT’S AWESOME! Right?

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHING)

Sid:  Of all Biblical Festivals to be talking about tonight begins Rosh Hashanah the Feast of Trumpets and for the next 10 days it’s the days of awe in which we pray and we fast and we plead “God do not remove our name from the Book of Life” and then it culminates on Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement.  I have on the telephone Kevin Howard he’s a Hebraic scholar and Bible teacher and he has authored a book that is magnificent. It’s a hardback book with the most beautiful color photographs and paintings to take you within every major Biblical Festival and understand it. The scriptures will become so alive to you. For instance, we’re talking about Rosh Hashanah this evening and Yom Kippur. Now Kevin tell me a bit about Yom Kippur and let’s zero in on something that most of us have heard about but don’t really understand the 2 goats.

Kevin: Okay well Yom Kippur for those maybe just joining us today is the Day of Atonement.  And it was on that day in ancient Israel during the days of the Temple that the High Priest would go into the Holy of Holies once on that day only would he go in no other day of the year but that day would he go into where the Arc of the Covenant was in the Holy of Holies.  Now you mentioned the 2 goats, the 2 goats were part of the sacrifices for the people of Israel on that day.  And the Day of Atonement its purpose was to provide a covering, or an atonement, for Israel’s sins and the nations wins over the past year. So on that day there would be sacrifices for the people of Israel. And actually it’s very interesting the sacrifice was a double sacrifice. There were 2 goats as you mentioned that were brought out for the nation 2 black goats identical in every way and lots would be drawn and one of the lots would say “For the Lord.” That goat would be sacrificed and his blood would be taken in and sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant and upon the altar.  But the other goat the lot would come up and say in Hebrew “For Azul” or literally for escape and hence from that we know that goat as the scapegoat because it was not killed. But yet the High Priest would put his hands on the scapegoat’s head and confess the sins of the people on it and that goat then would be lead out into the wilderness and to an uninhabited place the scripture said and never be seen again.  And prophetically and significantly for the people it indicated that their sins were being carried away and being remembered no more. So it was a double sacrifice but it’s interesting Sid you mentioned about the scapegoat that scapegoat would be marked because obviously 2 black goats identical it might be easy to mix them up. It was marked with a red cord or crimson cord tied to its horn and it’s just interesting that rabbinic tradition in the Talmud that the Jewish commentaries written after the time of the Temple they describe that crimson cord.  It’s very interesting they say that roughly around 30 AD from then until the destruction of the Temple until the last 40 years that that crimson cord no longer turned white.

Sid: But before that date it always turned white.

Kevin: That’s what the promise says you know I’m not going to go way out and hang on to that 100% dogmatically since it’s not scripture. But it’s interesting that tradition says that the cord would turn white signifying that God had accepted the sacrifice and that the people’s sins have been dealt with.

Sid: So we might say “From the date that Yeshua was crucified, buried and rose from the dead God no longer for the next 40 years accepted the sacrifices on Yom Kippur.

Kevin: That’s what we would draw definitely from that statement and it’s very perplexing very upsetting for the rabbis as the discussed that.

Sid: Let me ask you something in the book you have this beautiful chart of Israel’s temple in the 1^st century and you have it color coded for each part of the Temple and for different ingredients and I think it’s wonderful the way you work that into every Biblical festival so that someone can go back to that and really see what you’re talking about when it refers in the Temple.

Kevin: That’s exactly why I put it in there is obviously most of us can’t go to Israel today or certainly not on a regular basis or even if we did there’s no temple. So what would it be like for us step back 2000 years and be in the temple and understand the temple worship? I think when we understand that it opens up not only the book of Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy but also the Gospels and what Jesus was doing there in that temple of Israel.  So I have the chart there I have it color coded with letters and numbers so that as we’re working through the feasts and describing the Biblical observance the reader can look at that in his mind’s eye see exactly where the priests were moving and where the sacrifices were made the whole observance where it was done in days of temple.

Sid: Now but you told me earlier that you wrote this book not just for Christians but also Jewish people that do not know the Messiah.

Kevin: Yes exactly I wrote it in such a way so that it’s coming from a very Jewish perspective and obviously not every Jewish person won’t be open to open to read a treatment of the feasts that says that “Jesus is the Messiah.” But for the Jewish person who’s searching and open to know the truth this book will not be offensive in any way but yet there will be a great affinity in relation to it as far as Him umpiring his own observance in just his own cultural context that he’s in. That’s part of what I believe as our Messiah’s Ambassadors is to go where people are and deal with them in that culture context and bring them to the Lord with the Gospel.

Sid: And I notice that there was a co-author Marvin Rosenthal this man is just a wealth of knowledge of Jewishness.

Kevin: Marvin is a great friend whom I’ve ministered with for the majority of the past 20 years.  He grew up in Philadelphia he’s from a very conservative Jewish background and upbringing and yes he co-authored the book with me and brings a lot of important light to the Feasts and the topics we discussed.

Sid: Now out of curiosity why is the paper such good quality I mean it’s thick paper why are the colors so vibrant. I mean this isn’t just a book that you read and your put on the shelf and you forget about. I mean it’s a book that intrigues you to get in it almost begs you to get into it.

Kevin: Well I laugh because I really feel to have you say that because that was part of our hearts desire to make this book something different. It’s not just a reference book on the feasts it’s much much more than that but part of it is just an experience of seeing and understanding it turns on, at least our goal was turn on the readers minds to what’s happening visually within scripture. And part of that happens to be color and photographs and types of paper.  And interesting Thomas Nelson the publishers at first they didn’t want to do some of these things because it’s very expensive or they don’t normally do that. Yet as we showed them what we were doing they became very excited and then went ahead with the full color throughout the whole book. And I believe that’s really the key unique point to this book it adds a visual dimension to the book.

Sid: Now of course Marvin Rosenthal is Jewish and Kevin you have a Jewish background but you were raised in a Christian home.

Kevin: Yes.

Sid: I tell me why this is so important to you really from your heart why?

Kevin: From my heart my passion is that these feasts point prophetically to Jesus the Messiah history’s most stellar individual the Messiah of Israel Son of God, Son of David, the Anointed One, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. He is absolute center to all history it all hangs and rests on Him. What He did in His first coming, our Passover Lamb, His burial taking our sins far away and not being king in the grave. Becoming our First Fruits guaranteeing us that we will rise again and live forever with Him. And in finally saying the Holy Spirit will bring us into the New Covenant. And then the last 3 Feasts dealing with His Second Coming what He’s yet to do to bring in the Kingdom all of the promises of all the ages to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob we haven’t seen them all fulfilled but we will. And Messiah will come bodily as Son of David, sit on David’s throne, rule from Jerusalem forever and ever and all of the promises are true God will deal with sin.  And it’s all going to come to pass but it is all wrapped up in the person of Messiah that we call Jesus in Hebrew Yeshua.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Mary Jo Clouse and I’m speaking to her at her home in Lake Mary, Florida.  And for the last 7 years she’s been one of the featured speakers at Charisma Women’s Conference and the things she has great satisfaction is from year to year many of the same women come back to her workshops when they say they’ve had total changes in their life.  She’s just written a book called “Getting Free” and it’s a subject that most Christians are aware of however they really don’t understand.  It has to do with generational curses and the consequence and the suffering that people go through because of perhaps a sin that an ancestor committed.  And how in the world did you first find out about this Mary Jo?

Mary Jo: Well I got saved in 1971 and I read a lot of the Word. I was very hungry for the Word of God and I had a pile of female problems at the time and the doctor told me I had to have surgery. So they brought out several people to get healed and seldom see any change and few that got healed but I also knew that I was the mother of 2 children and I needed to get on with my life and at that point the only answer I saw was to have the surgery and I’m not against doctors had it not been for doctors I would not have been alive today.  And so I had the surgery and then after the surgery I started having a lot of depression and they said that it was hormone imbalance.  And so I took Valium for the hormone imbalance and I didn’t think…you know it helped to maintain me but one day I realized that I was taking a prescribed drug and I was dependant on that drug.  And that without it I couldn’t function because I had run out of the drug and so what it was it was like a progression of illnesses that happened in my life after I got over…I got rid of depression, got rid of the valium and got rid of depression and I immediately started having low blood sugar. And I would have fainting spells and had to have adrenaline shots and I was on a lot of medication. See my sister had died just before this she had died at the age of 48 with sugar diabetes. And then I got over that I got healed and I truly  got healed miraculously every time there was a healing line I’d go up in the healing line and people laid hands on me and pray for me. I was reading the healing scriptures in Isaiah 53 that said “He was wounded for my transgressions, He was bruised for my iniquities and chastisement and his peace was upon me and by His stripes I’m healed.” And I was reading the healing scriptures daily and I would take my medication and before I would take my medication I would read my healing scriptures I would pray the healing scriptures and I would take communion. So I knew that God healed but what I didn’t understand was I would have one sickness and then I would have another one.  So about the time I got over the low blood sugar and was healed and was excited about that. My 43 year old brother died of a heart attack.  Well after he died of a heart attack I started having chest pains and angina pains.  Went to the doctor and they said I had high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and heart problems they wanted to do a heart catheterization.  But I went home and went on a fast and then I told the Lord I don’t want to go that route I saw my brother going through all of that and then he still died there must be an answer in the word of God on what’s going on my life.  As I was on a fast the Lord led me to the Deuteronomy 28.  At first He told me I was reading in the New Testament in Galatians book 3 verse 13 which says “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law He was made a curse for us.  For it was written cursed is everyone that is hanged on a tree.”  And verse 14 says “If the blessings of Abraham are on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”  Now as soon as the true word says I’m delivered through the curse of the law. And the curse of the law is poverty, sickness and death.  And yet my sister has died was a church she was a Christian.  My brother who was an Assembly of God Minister died and left 2 teenage children and I know that there’s a better way of living that we don’t have to live under the curse of the law. And I asked myself “Did I have any bitterness or unforgiveness toward people because I had been studying the word and being around other people knew that bitterness and unforgiveness would cause back problems and all sorts of sickness. And I examined myself anytime we do we will find someone that we have some sort of bitterness and unforgiveness and so I repented of all of that and I God to forgive me.  During the time that He led to Deuteronomy 28 that was where He said in verse 1 “It shall come to pass that you shall harken diligently to the voice of the Lord thy God to observe and to do all of His commandments which I command the this day the Lord thy God will set you on high above all of these nations of the earth. And all of these blessings shall overtake thee as they shall harken to the Lord thy God.”  I said God on one hand being blessed and I’m not being ungrateful but on the other hand the sickness keeps coming to me so why is it coming? Because I read on down to the 50^th verse that says that “If I didn’t harken to the voice of the Lord my God and didn’t obey Him all of these curses would come upon me.” Well I said Lord “I’ve gone through sugar diabetes, low blood sugar, I’ve gone through heart problems, back problems and had horrible migraine headaches right after the surgery the depression kind of thing. So I was just asking the Lord questions and I begin to study this and I began to get up early in the morning and I would pray this scripture I would pray Deuteronomy 28:1-14.  I began to do…I wanted to put in my heart what God had in His word for me because He said “Study to show yourself approved a workman worthy of your calling.”  And I didn’t want to be sick and beat up all of the time. And so it was during that time a book fell in my hands on blessing and cursing and if any of your ancestors have been involved in free masonry or Woodmen of the World or any secret society that could bring a curse. And so I knew that my grandfather on my mom’s side had been in masonry and my grandmother was an eastern star and I just said “Well Lord I don’t know what to do about that.”  So He led me to Daniel I think it is in the 1^st chapter I’m not sure where it is…the 10^th Chapter Daniel the 10^th chapter Daniel repented for the sins of Israel.  And so I said “Well Daniel was not a bad person he was not a sinner he was taken into captivity why does he have to repent for the sins of his ancestors?”  Well I thought to myself “Well it seems we have enough sins of our own without having to repent for the sins of our ancestors.” But I was seeking an answer for my problem so I’m going to read and just listen to God.  And so that was when I realized that I could repent I recognized that I had a problem and then I repented for the sins of my ancestors, I repented for any of my family that had played into Free Masonry.

Sid: Mary Jo you repented what happened to you did you feel anything did you see anything?

Mary Jo: I felt a heaviness leaving my body and I felt the restriction in my chest that brought about a lot of angina pain.  I felt the pain leave my body at that time and then I was able to breathe freely.

Sid: Did you realize that at that moment that you were set free of that curse?

Mary Jo: I don’t think I realized it fully at that time but I just saw my health again begin to improve and I just started walking like a half mile a day and then went up to 5 miles a day.  And then that was when I knew that I knew that my health had changed fantastically.  And then I pressed in and studied even more about the blessings and curses at that time and started teaching on it at that time. Because it talks about if I had been in the occult and I was out doing my own thing about 17 years of age I rebelled and I decided I didn’t need my mother’s religion and I was smarter than she was so I started delving into Jean Dixon and Edgar Casey and studying parapsychology and getting involved in Ouija boards. So I had to go through my house at that time and make sure that I had gotten rid of all of the books and all of the objects that I had. Now earlier in my Christian life we had already done that but I wanted to make sure that there was nothing that would give the devil an entry into our home or into our life. So I went through and thoroughly cleansed the house and got rid of anything that I thought might be connected with the occult.

Sid: So you see these generational curses whether we do it or an ancestor back 4 generations did it as obstacles to receiving the manifestations of healings when you pray in Jesus name.

Mary Jo: Yes because in Exodus 20 verse 5 it says that the sins of the father can be visited to the 4^th generation but the blessings of the Lord Jesus Christ will come to the 1000^th generation.

Sid: Well the blessings are a lot better.

Mary Jo: That’s what I thought I want the blessings.

Sid: (Laughing)

SID: Okay Dodie, there is something that I am overwhelmed with that I want our audience to be overwhelmed with. You have, your children so respect you and your husband, who is now in Heaven. Your children and you have such love. They have such honor for you.

DODIE: I know.

SID: The love that I see. You look around to be a servant. At your age, why do you do that? Come on now, Dodie.

DODIE: I don’t know why I do it. Jesus just puts it in my heart and Jesus would do it.

SID: Wen you pray for people you have the same compassion for them because of what you went through, I believe.

DODI: Probably so. I don’t even know if I’d be praying for people if I hadn’t gone through it myself.

SID: And there’s no important people in your life. There are just people.

DODIE: Just people.

SID: This woman doesn’t say it, but when I walked in to her presence I could feel the love of Jesus radiating out of her. Literally, Dodie, I don’t want to embarrass you, but I could feel that. I really could.

DODIE: I’m glad you did.

SID: And you don’t realize this, but I want to have, and I believe a lot of you do, I want to have the same compassion that you have.

DODIE: Sid, you do. I see it in you.

SID: Well thank you. But I’m not satisfied. I’m not going to be satisfied, Dodie, until I pray for someone that has an amputation just from the knee down and that foot is missing, that leg is missing. And I want to have the compassion of Jesus and pray for them, and that foot is going to go zoom, come right out.

DODIE: That’s what I want, too.

SID: Okay. I want you to pray for me and for every one of you that want that same compassion, that gift of love. I do not believe that Joel Osteen would be the person that he is today if it wasn’t for John and Dodie Osteen. You put that into them. Did you ever think Joel was going to be?

DODIE: No. He’s the last one in the world I would have thought would have pastored.

SID: Really?

DODIE: Yes. In fact I wanted him to go to college. Sid, I was so wrong. He went one year and dropped out and said he didn’t feel like going back another year. He wanted to start TV ministry. I said, “Son, I want you back.”

SID: Wait, he wanted to start a TV ministry for your husband, not for himself.

DODIE: Yes. That was 17 years before he became a pastor. And I was wrong and John was right. He said, “Son, you follow your heart.” Because it was just a little while later that his daddy died. And then he became a pastor. He told me God called him to be a pastor.

SID: Do you know his audience, I just found out, is 40 million a month. Would you have ever thought that, ever?

DODIE: Never. God has given him such favor and he is a real man. He’s real.

SID: I also found out something about him. I’ve never met him, but I found out something about your son. He hears from God.

DODIE: He does. He hears from God. He’s a very wise man.

SID: I want you to pray this for our audience.

DODIE: Okay. Father, I pray for the healing of people that are watching us today. Lord Jesus, you want your children well. You said you would give us the desires of our hearts. So do that for them, Father. Jesus, you said that you would restore health into us and heal us of our wounds. So I ask you to do that for your children, Father. I curse the diseases. I come against them just like Jesus spoke to the fig tree. I command them to wither and die, and leave, and never, ever, ever come back again. Father, you give the people the great wisdom to take care of their bodies and to do what you want them to do, Father. And Jesus, that compassion, we all need more compassion to be like you, Jesus. So give it to us, Father. Help us to all walk in love, Father, and not to criticize people, and not to see them as someone inferior, but to love them, Father, and to be kind to them and show the love that you have, Jesus, so that they in turn can be kind and be full of compassion. Jesus, help us not to judge people, but to see people as you do within eyes of love. And thank you, Father, for healing and making your children well, and restoring health, and healing us of all of our wounds. And bless Sid and help him to stay healthy and strong, and to keep doing good like he is for people all over the world.

SID: And you pray for Dodie right now if you’re home. And I’m going to tell you this, when you get to Heave

DODIE: Amen.

SID: But you know the first question Jesus is going to ask you, and I want you to ponder this, did you learn to love.

DODIE: Isn’t that sweet. Did you learn to love? That’s good. Oh my goodness. You make people feel so good.

Sid: I have a woman on the telephone that has spent 9½ years working with the Kathryn Kuhlman ministry.  And I’m reminded when those of you that are familiar with Kathryn Kuhlman’s ministry she used to come on television or on radio and she used to say something to the affect “Have you been waiting for me?”  Well I’ve been waiting for this interview with Patti Perior. Patti is on the telephone I’m speaking to her at her home in Porter Ranch, California that’s sort of a suburb of Los Angeles.  And it seems as though many servants of God before they have a chance to even walk into their call there’s an attack on their life. It’s not always but I see this happening over and over again. And Patti when you were just a baby you had a hole in your heart and you were only going to live for 18 months but when you went into convulsions and you were dying what did your mother do?

Patti: My mother called a doctor we were living out in the country at the time and the doctor said “I’m sorry there’s nothing we can do for her.”  This is before they were doing heart surgery for a hole in the heart.  And he said “I told you Mrs. Lincoln you can only have your daughter for 18 months.  So she hung up and being a nurse herself but she began to work with my throat I so stiffened I couldn’t even swallow. She began to massage my neck and I went into a deeper convulsion and she called the doctor again and the nurse said …oh she said “Oh the doctor said if you call again to give the morticians phone number I have it right here.” So my mother hung up and being a woman who’s so had prayed for a baby daughter she began to walk to town.  She wrapped me up she was going to walk to the hospital.  When she went over a little bridge I went into another convulsion so she went under the bridge unwrapped me and put me in the water and dedicated my life to Jesus wrapped me up and took me home again. I began to get better but as time went on I couldn’t run and play like other children I would just pass out. But when I was 9 years old my heart’s desire was I wanted to be a ballerina Sid.  So my mother had bought me a pair of ballerina slippers just to sit around the house and play in.  But I pick up the paper one day and I read where they were giving they were going to have a dance for crippled children and they were looking for tap dancers and ballerinas and modern dancers. So I snuck out of the house and I went down and I tried out for the part.  I put my shoes in a little brown sack and I got the part. So I snuck back in the house the interview was very close to the house as a matter of fact.  And I told my mother about it and she was very upset she said “I’ll take you to your doctors.” I had 3 doctors, 2 heart specialists and a pediatrician they all 3 said “It’s impossible her heart is so bad and she also…” I had come to a place of a lung disease and a blood disease all terminal.

Sid: So all…each one of the time was terminal of all 3 together?

Patti: They each one were terminal and this is why I had to be at that time partially in isolation because any extra germs would just take me.  So the last heart specialist said “She needs to go right into the hospital in isolation” and he said “Don’t ever expect her to come out.” But my mother said “I’m a nurse and I can take better care of her at home please but let her do this one thing let her go and do this dance.” So he said “Alright but that will be last time her feet touch the floor you will carry her down after the performance and put her in isolation.” So Sid my father had a full length raccoon coat and I did my little short dance at the Roxsy Theater and I went off in the sides my hus…my father scooped me up in this coat wrapped me up and took me home and I was put in isolation.  I began to get worse and my Sunday School Class every Sunday would come and put a rose outside my door and the room that was prepared for me was on off a porch had to be window.  People would come to the window and look through the window at me and they would dedicate songs on the radio to the little girl that was dying primary with this heart condition. But after being in bed for one year I was getting worse and worse and my skin was grey, I was 20 pounds underweight at the age of 9 and I could hardly lift my head off the pillow at this point. My mother came in 5 times a day and would give me just little bites it was just feeding a little bird a little bit at a time.  But one night Jesus Christ appeared at the end of my bed.

Sid: Were you praying for Him to come?

Patti: No it’s like the whole town it was praying for this little girl that was dying. And I could feel the presence of God in the room and I always believed in Jesus. I mean I didn’t know much of the Bible because of my life so much in isolation.  But Jesus Christ appeared to me and said “In the morning tell your mother you’re going to be alright.”

Sid: Now this was a number of years ago but what did He look like?

Patti: I almost cry to say that He was dazzling and the look of love that permeated from Him, the confidence that I felt when He spoke I knew whatever He said that is fact that’s it whatever He’s saying that’s the way that it will be. It gave me such love and security.  The next morning…

Sid: Did you believe before you actually got out of bed you would be healed based on what had occurred?

Patti: Yes I believed what He said is so just as a fact that I’ll be changed. The next morning my mother came in and I was sitting on the edge of my bed kicking my feet before I couldn’t sit up.  My cheeks were pink I was no longer grey and I said “Mommy Jesus came to me last night and He told me to tell you I’m going to alright.” And strength began to come through into my body and of course if you hadn’t walked for a year you’re a little wobbly but just as we used to check people out at the Kathryn Kuhlman Ministry before we take them on stage we would have them walk. And as they would walk it seemed like even more of the vibrancy of the Holy Spirit would enter in more fully and flow through them and the energy would just increase and increase. And when they were at a certain peak we knew this is it there just completely there is no shadow of a doubt that this one is healed and we would check them out in every way. And that’s what happened to me my mother she was a woman that I prayed for but so often we feel they’ll gradually get better, they’ll gradually get better and God by His mercy will perform this.  But I was instantly…

Sid: I like miracles healings are good but miracles are better there instant healings.

Patti: Yes.

Sid: Patti we’re out of time today and Mishpochah we’re going to find out that she’s a real sensitivity to the Holy Spirit walks in the prophetic in the miracle ministry.  And she said on next to the Bible a book that was very influential in her life is one called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” This author supernaturally found old manuscripts that had never been published by Smith Wigglesworth in California. He came to a house in California an old house and he went into the cupboard in the front room and found what he’d been looking for and praying for 37 messages from God’s apostle of faith Smith Wigglesworth.  Now Smith Wigglesworth prayed for at least 14 people that were dead that have come back to life and the author goes on to say this book is written around these unpublished sermons.  The lessons that the Holy Spirit taught me through the revelation give to Smith Wigglesworth starting those many years ago at Bible College are lessons that He, meaning God, wants to bring to many believers today.  This book is for those that want more of God who want to part of God’s end time army and are prepared to become flames of fire. My prayer is that some of the fire, some of the hunger, some of the revelation, some of the anointing and power on this man’s life may become yours. Patti how inspirational was this book to you “The Wigglesworth Standard?”

Patti: It caused me to desire more and more and more of Him. I wanted every crumb, every crumb to be manifested because I believed that this man Jesus performed through this man what He wants to be performed through His body.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Now let’s be real. Have you prayed, have you fasted, have you moaned, have you groaned for your physical healing and it didn’t happen, and year after year, after year passed and it didn’t happen? My guest knows why. Anyone interested? So you’re 19 years old. You wake up one morning. You go to the mirror to shave and you see a lump the size of an egg coming out of your neck. Now you had a Catholic background, so you believe the basics of the Gospel, but you didn’t have what the Messiah said is necessary, and so few have this. This is what our Messiah said in the original language: “This is eternal life that you might have experiential knowledge of me.” He didn’t have experiential knowledge. He had no grid for miracles, so to speak. So what did you do?

STEVE: When I discovered that lump and was diagnosed with cancer I did not know what to do. I just felt fear and terror. But something within me caused me to cry out to the God that I heard about. I didn’t know him personally, but I heard about him. And so I went to the beach to be alone and nobody was there. It was a cloudy day. I sat on the beach and I looked up at the sky to the God out there somewhere. So from my belly a very simple prayer came and it consisted of only two words. I said to the God out there somewhere, “Teach me.” And I forgot about that day.

SID: But three months later, God did not forget about that day.

STEVE: He did not.

SID: What happened?

STEVE: I met a man who I can tell you emphatically with great confidence is a true disciple of Jesus Christ. He’s a man that was born in South Korea. And I went to him looking for alternative methods of getting well, and I asked him, I said, I told him, I said, “I have cancer.” And he continued to smile at me and then I thought he must not know English because everybody that you tell them you have cancer, oh, I’m sorry. But he just smiled at me. Now I know he smiled because he knew that God sent me to him. And when I asked, “What books can I study? What things can I go research?” He says, “You don’t need many books. You only need one book.” He had been reading when I walked in. He slid that book across the table and it was covered with black leather, gilded pages, and I realized it was the Bible. And I said, “What does this have to do with me being sick?” I’m thinking medical science is here. A prayer is far away over there.

SID: There is always alternative health, too.

STEVE: That’s right. And so when I asked that question, what does the Bible have to do with me being sick, he leaned across the desk. He looked in my eyes and he said, “Everything.” That started a five-hour Bible study.

SID: You sat there for five hours.

STEVE: For five hours. Sid, it felt like five minutes, but I was there for five hours. And the way that he introduced the Bible to me was unique. It’s not something I had experienced. He would open it and pointed to a verse and he’d say in his Korean accent, “Read it.” I’d read it. He’d flip the Bible. “Read it.” And we went through this process. He was allowing the Word of God, literally the words of God to speak to my heart. And I found out that day I had a bigger problem than cancer. I found out that day that I had sin, it was not washed clean and I was going to Hell. So that day, I understood for the first time who God is, who Satan is and who I was. And I learned that the Messiah offered me payment for all my sin, but more than that, I learned that removing my sin opened the gate to experience complete healing, mentally, physically and spiritually.

SID: What was going on inside of you while he was explaining this?

STEVE: You know, it’s an interesting question because there was a side of me that was filled with expectation. As I was reading the Word of God I didn’t know.

SID: You had no expectation before you started [read]ing.

STEVE: I didn’t. But the Word of God was so clear to me that day that it was creating the expectation. I was reading about where cancer comes from, the root of sickness. I was reading about how Jesus healed everyone. I was reading a promise that he died on the cross not just for my sin, but that I would be healed, that he took my pain. He took my sorrow. So the scriptures, not the tradition of man that I had been exposed to my whole life, but the scriptures set my expectation. But he declared to me that day, “Today, Steve, you will be healed.”

SID: Didn’t he realize you had cancer, you had some radiation, your body was destroyed by the cancer, your body was destroyed by the radiation? Didn’t he know that?

STEVE: He knew it all. I told him all the details and I was the kind of person that wanted people to know how bad it was and what could happen, and none of that mattered. And I understand now why. He cared so little about what the devil was doing because he was so focused on what God had done through Yeshua on the cross. He was consumed with the love of God and the promise of God, and the covenant of God. So he knew that day what had happened was irrelevant. What was about to happen, that was relevant.

SID: What happened?

STEVE: He took me through the process of saying, well now that you’ve give your heart to God, all the promises, not some of them, but all the promises are yes and amen in Jesus. He immediately, without any other learning, I just heard the covenanted promise, he stood me up, he laid his hands on my head, which I had never seen before. But he laid his hands on my head and he commanded, “In the name of Yeshua, Jesus,” he commanded the cancer to leave. Sid, immediately, I had no context, no experience. I didn’t know there was Christian television. I never went to a Christian church before like this. But power filled the room and filled my body. I remember wondering what is happening because the power was coming from everywhere. And then a circle of entities appeared around us that now I understand were angels. And he began with such vehemence, with such authority, with such power, he began to command, and I knew from the soles of my feet power was coming up and all the evil, all the cancer, all my fears, I didn’t just have cancer. I had OCD. I had fears. I had great anxiety. But these things people don’t care about as much as cancer. But God does. And that day, I felt all of that, all that which was cursed, separating from my body. When he commanded it to go in the name of Jesus, every unclean spirit, everything was broken in a moment and it departed from my body.

SID: When we come back, many people have a disconnect between the promises of God and the provision of God. It shouldn’t be that way. Come on back and it won’t be.

SID: So Steve not only got totally healed of all the fear and everything he had, God totally healed of all the cancer he had, but at that moment, even the bad effects of the radiation disappeared from his body. You have a passion to share that same connection that allowed you to be totally set free for everyone, and it starts with something that people just take for granted. It’s called the Bible.

STEVE: Yes.

SID: Tell me what God has shown you about the Word of God.

STEVE: Sid, we don’t know the treasure that Heaven has entrusted to us when he gave the 66 books of the Bible. The Bible is the most misunderstood, mistaught, misrepresented thing, I believe, in all the Christian faith, because people say I believe the Word of God, but they know not truly what it is. So God over time began to teach me that the Bible is not the black leather book people think it is, but rather that the Bible contains the very mind, spirit and word, and heartbeat of the Father.

SID: You believe the Bible is alive.

STEVE: I do. I do. I’m persuaded of it. You know, before there was ever the earth, before there was ever paper, there was ever leather to bind that paper, God said, before anything else, he said, “Let there be light.” I was studying one day and the Lord asked me, or put on my heart, what language did I speak. There was no Hebrew. There was no Greek. There was no English. There was no Spanish. What God showed me was in First John, the Bible says that God is light and in him there is no darkness. So in Genesis, he said, “Let there be light.” Sid, God began to teach me. When God said let there be light, he was saying let there be me there. He was releasing himself. So the revelation of the book we call the Bible is actually the very release of God himself from the heavens into the earth realm.

SID: So when Peter walked on water, you say God showed you something even higher.

STEVE: Yes.

SID: What?

STEVE: Peter had an intimacy with Jesus. He didn’t have an intimacy with just religious protocol or traditions of men. He was with Jesus. And in the middle of a storm, a scary time, they see Jesus come walking on the water and they cried out for fear. They never expected Jesus to appear as the supernatural God that he is. And Peter, in his boldness, from his faith, said, “Lord, if it’s you, command me to come out to you.” There’s a lot of revelation in this because Peter was saying, bring me under the command of your voice. Bring me under the power of your voice. If I come under your word I’ll enter the realm of Glory that your word is in. And so a lot of people think that Peter was walking on water, but in reality his prayer was, “Command me to come.” It’s very interesting that Jesus explicitly answers Peter exactly according to his prayer, and Jesus says, “Come.” Peter didn’t really walk on water. He walked on the command of God given by his Word, and that was the key that moved him from a life lived, tossed in the boat, to walking on top of the circumstances that were beating that boat.

SID: Just that little revelation that he shared, that little nugget that he just shared, you dust off that little black book you got for your Bar Mitzvah or you got for your confirmation and realize that he has just said that black book is God himself. And when you value God himself your heart cries out to him and there will be a connection. In fact, I’m going to have him share a couple more revelations and then pray for you to walk on water. Whether it’s cancer, heart disease, tumors, anything, God says all of his promises are yes and so be it. Be right back.

SID: Okay. It’s wonderful that Steve Hannett has his miracle. It’s wonderful that he now knows how to have the disconnect removed and just connect into the power of God. But when he teaches this, so many people have the plug plugged in for the power of God. Tell me about one member of your congregation that heard your teaching that had a tragedy turned into a blessing.

STEVE: Yes. We had a husband and wife come to us who were pregnant and they were very disheartened and filled with fear. They came and they told us that the first ultrasound of their baby revealed all the markers for Down’s syndrome, for echo bowel syndrome, a flat nasal, cysts on the brain and other abnormalities. The condition of the child, the medical professionals said was so bad they recommended that they abort the child. They came to us and they shared the news that we had. By the grace of God, we knew it did not matter what the devil was busy doing, we knew what God had already done on the cross through his son Yeshua. And we began to teach them the principles and the covenanted promises of God. They took these promises and they began to pray them. They began to take the revelation that the Word of God is created. It changes things. They went from the revelation that this is a black book to the Living Word. They went back to the doctor and they told the doctor. “We’re going to have the baby.” The doctor happened to be an atheist and with a certain degree of anger, the way they described it to us, was that the doctor said, “I don’t care how much you pray, this is not removing Down’s syndrome.” The woman, praise God, filled with faith, turned to the atheist doctor and said, “You don’t know my God.” It was time to deliver the child and they were so convinced that the child was going to have these abnormalities they had special medical personnel around to whisk the baby away.

SID: But what was going on with this couple during that time?

STEVE: They were laboring in the Word. They told me sometimes it was easy and sometimes it was hard. There was a struggle, but they were praying the importune prayer. They were praying like Jacob, “I won’t let go of thee until you bless me.” And they prayed that way until the delivery.

SID: Did they believe that perhaps the doctors were correct that their baby would be Down’s syndrome?

STEVE: They knew in the natural that what the doctors were reporting was accurate. What they knew in the Spirit that what God Almighty was reporting was accurate. They believed the right voice and they had the facts that their child was going to be deformed, but they had the truth that God’s Word was going to rectify it and change it. The day of delivery came. The child was born and the atheist doctor said, “This child is perfect.”

SID: Ha!

STEVE: No Down’s syndrome, no echo bowel syndrome, no flat nasal. God did a creative miracle and this little girl runs around our church with curly hair, dancing and praising the Lord, and completely healthy to this day. That’s the power of the Word God.

SID: Okay. Speaking of the power of the Word of God, you say we’re not waiting for God, God is waiting for us. I want you to pray right now, but tell me what will happen when you pray. What is going to happen? Will people be healed?

STEVE: People will be healed and they will be healed because that’s the will and covenant of God. Sid, God, people are praying, maybe you’ll give me a little blessing, God. They don’t understand their Father nor his goodness. Heaven can’t wait. The Father can’t wait. The son can’t wait.

SID: I can’t wait. You pray.

STEVE: Amen. Listen. Believe with me right now as I pray. In the name of Jesus Christ, God wants you well. He’s a good Father. In the name of Jesus, I speak according to the covenanted work of God through the Messiah on the cross that by the stripes of Jesus the Messiah, you will be healed and I command every sickness. I command every disease. There is somebody with a band of pain around their head, the Lord showed me, that pain is going to disappear. There are people with vision problems that right now there is pain behind your eye. It’s a bad pain right behind your eyeballs. It’s very, very intense. It will leave. In the name of Jesus, I command every sickness, every unclean thing to depart in the name of Jesus Christ the Messiah. Amen.

SID: Do you know what I’m reminded of? The word “gospel” was originally used because a king would have a messenger come from the battle to report what happened in the battle. And guess what the word “gospel” means? Good news, a victory. You cannot lose. You were created to win. As long as Jesus is your Messiah and Lord, as long as you believe he died for your sins, as long as you ask him with the spoken word to live inside of you and forgive you of your sins then you have the true gospel, the good news, the good news of victory. I say victory for you!

STEVE: Amen.

SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. When you put three world-class prophets together there is a synergy of the Spirit that I’m expecting things to happen that they’ve never thought of. I’m expecting you to have an amazing encounter with God. Anyone interested in finding out what they see for 2017?

Sid: I’ve got on the telephone Margy Palm I’m speaking to her at her home in San Antonio, Texas. On December 11, 1981 she was abducted by a man that had brutally raped and murdered 30 other woman and one just a few hours before her profile. But she had the right profile but she had been praying and God had actually directed her into this circumstance. And as she began to hear from God she literally told him “There will be a roadblock in Austin, Texas you should go to Curville.” And he gets a hold of a newspaper and sure enough it says “There’s a roadblock there.” So he knew that Margy was hearing from God she called her husband and then fear rally hit her because she got out of the Spirit for a moment. But then she got right back into the Spirit and what happened next Margy?

Margy: Well by this time it was you know 7:00 in the evening and we were on our way driving to Curville and he started telling me about this son he hadn’t talked about his son all day long and he hadn’t told me either that he had been married. He said “I’d been married once in Las Vegas and I have this son and I just hate to see my son grow up in such an evil world and he just went on and on and on about how he hated the world, hated his son to grow up in this world.” And I said “Well I want to ask you a question that I want you to answer “If your son had committed the kind of crimes you’ve committed and I don’t know what they are and I mean exactly the same crimes that you’ve committed do you think that you’d forgive him?”  “And I also want to know if you would be willing to let’s just say that there’s a hell would you be willing to go to hell and die for your son if God told you that if you did that you’d be able to pay for all of his sins and he’d go free would you be willing to die in his place and go to hell?” And he said “Those are really hard questions.” And I said “Well I want you to answer them.” So he thought about it for a few minutes and then he said “You know what I would die for my son and I would forgive him.” And I said “Well do you realize that’s exactly what Jesus did for you?” But he said “Do you know what you’ve been preaching to me all day and I finally understand what you’re trying to tell me.” And I said “You’ve been telling me all day how much hatred you have in your heart and yet you have enough mercy you do have mercy in your heart that you’d be willing to that for your son I mean that’s extremely compassionate to be able to do something like that.” So any way I mean I really didn’t say anything else for maybe for 15 minutes we drove on in silence and all of a sudden he pulled my car over to the side of the road. And before he pulled it to the side of the road he started looking all around in my car and I didn’t know what he was looking for but he was looking around and then he pulled my car over to the side of the road with the engine still running and just stopped. And I didn’t say anything I was just looking at him and he looked straight up in the air up above him and he put his hands up in the air and he said “Jesus I’m sorry for everything I’ve done please forgive me I want to go to heaven.” And I just you know I had not ever all day told him “Now listen if you want to get saved you have to say this kind of a prayer.” I never said that to him but what had happened was and he told me about it later he said remember when I was looking around the car?” And I said “Yeah.”  He said I heard the loudest voice, I heard an audible voice and you know it was man’s voice it was a male voice and it said “This is the last time I’m going to call you Stephen.” And he said “When I heard that voice I reflected back to the whole day and the peace in the car and just everything that had happened all day long and I realized that there is really a Jesus that’s real oh my gosh.  And he pulled that’s when he the car over and his hands just flew up in the air. I mean he heard the Lord’s voice I did not hear it but that’s what made him pull the car over. And then all of the sudden I mean I was just sitting there watching this and he started crying and he started saying “It’s gone, it’s gone.” And I said “What’s gone.” He said “He said “All of that hatred it’s something is happening to me and something just came in me and took my hate out I don’t have any more hate and I don’t deserve this and I’m an awful person I don’t deserve this I don’t know why this is happening to me.” And he was just sobbing and I by that time I was crying because I knew that he was born again and that he was and he was having this amazing experience with the Lord. So I said…he said “What’s happening to me, what’s happening to me I don’t deserve this and I feel like I’m clean I feel like every all of the hatred’s been taking out.” And I said “Well you’ve just gotten born again.” And he said “What is that I’ve heard that my whole life I thought it was a joke what is that?” I said “Well the first time your born you’ve been telling me that your father hated you you know even though you were…have his seed in you even if hated you you’ve got his seed in you you’re his son.  But when you give your life to Jesus just like you did His seed comes in you and you become a child of God. You’re his child and you now have His blood has washed you clean and you’ve got His holy DNA in you as crazy as it sounds that is exactly what happened that’s why you feel clean because your heavenly Father has cleaned you and washed all of your sins away and totally redeemed you from your sins.  And He’s take…He’s took the penalty of your sins on Himself so that you could go free. And he just he just cried and cried and cried. And by that time I was crying and all of a sudden I was realizing that you know we were starting to become friends now and you know we kept driving on and he stopped again at a rest stop he took his gun and he put it on my lap and he went and he said “I’ll be right back.” He went into the men’s restroom and here I was with this huge gun and I never even thought to get in the driver’s seat and drive home and it never even crossed my mind I was so stunned by the whole thing. He comes back out from the rest-stop gets in the car and he says I’m never going to do this again I know the rest of my life I’m going to be talking about Jesus this is real lady you are not joking this is really real.

Sid: So to speed it up you left him off at the bus stop you go home what was your husband’s reaction when you got home?

Margy: Well my husband by that time had talked to the police he called the police because he’d seen the 10;00 news with this man on the news and he reflected back to the phone call that he had with me. And then they asked him what I looked like and they said “She looks like all of the people he’s raped and murdered.” So he was standing out in front of the house waiting for the police when I drove up and when he saw me he was terrified and he said “I thought that you were with this rapist all day and look at you you look like your just fine.” And I said “I have been with that guy all day and I had beer cans all over my car and the other thing was he gave me all of the bullets to his gun he put them in my purse I did not have his gun but I had all of the bullets in my purse. And the police were at my house by that time and it was pretty amazing I mean I.

Sid: Now when he gave himself up what did he say to the official that arrested him?

Margy: He said “I met this lady…well today if I had seen you there would have been a shootout and I would killed you he’s telling this to a plain clothes policewoman who came up to him.  He said “I know that you’re a plainclothes policeman and I would have killed you and killed myself but today I met this lady and she changed my life and I’m not the same man.”

Sid: When he went to prison you told him you he had an impact on the prison itself especially the warden.

Margy: Yeah I was with him the day before he got executed by lethal injection and I was…the warden came up to me the warden was crying he said “I’ve been a Catholic my whole life I didn’t really know that all of this was true. And Steven has brought me to the Lord and I’m a totally different man and he’s helped a lot of people back here and I’m very very sorry he’s going to die. And the warden started crying and it was a pretty amazing moment that was the day before he died. And the night I know Kenneth Copeland was very involved with is life after this and visited him all the time in prison and as a result a big prison ministry started as a result of Steven.

Sid: And so the next time you pray “Lord I’ll do anything you want me to do today” that’s what started all of this. Have you prayed that again?

Margy:  I have.

Sid: (Laughing.) Margy Palm thank you so much for being my guest.

Sid: A few months back I read a book called “Listen to Me Satan.”  It talks about a man that walked into the authority that the Bible says we’re all to walk in.  His name Carlos Annacondia and in Buenos Aires Argentina where he’s from there has been an out pouring of God’s Spirit throughout all of Argentina.  It’s considered the longest standing revival in history and they’re seeing things that we here in America we even question if it’s even possible, if it’s real. We read these things in the Bible but we’re so accustomed to tradition and religion and a cultural Christianity rather than a vital relationship with the Living God that many of us disbelieve that these things are even true.  But I have seen things like this with my own eyes and I have on the telephone I’m speaking to her in Arlington, Texas Rebecca Macchi. Now Rebecca has been on the platform many times with Carlos Annacondia and has seen these miracles take place and as I was explaining on yesterday’s broadcast… I mean she’s seen that once the air is cleared the evil is cleared from the area based on the authority of the Name of Jesus the authority that only one man needs or one woman needs to have over the spirit realm once that happens it’s like someone when they’re in their right mind of course they’ll turn to Jesus.  She has seen 50,000 people saved in one day. And we need this in America and we are going to have this in America. So Rebecca on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about when Carlos stands up in a large auditorium or a tent there is it’s a power encounter. I have been told, and tell me whether this is true or not this is hear say on my part, I have been told people 2 blocks away from the tent start manifesting signs of demons 2 blocks away from where Carlos is speaking because the anointing is so strong  Is this true?

Rebecca: Yes a huh it’s very true very there’s such a tremendous anointing when the power of God is released over these areas and the whole city now is prepared when he comes in to do a crusade because they know that they are going to be taking a lot of people in ambulance to the hospitals because of this.  So now they’re prepared and they…

Sid: Excuse me they’re taking a lot of people to the hospital why?

Rebecca:  Because they fall out and are manifesting and you know people don’t recognize that this is a manifestation of demons they think “Well they have epilepsy or they’re having heart attack…”

Sid: (Laughing)

Rebecca: Or people don’t know what’s happening or…

Sid: Take me into one of his meetings tell me what you’ve seen with your eyes in reference to deliverance.

Rebecca: Well when the power of God is released over the meetings and he basically you know there’s Satan he knows that the battlefield with the enemy. Well it’s exciting in the fact that people begin to get delivered all over the place and there’s 100’s of people and so they have like 500 guys, camareros, that come together that run out and put these people over their heads.  And they’re trained to do this even though their manifesting they try to put them over their heads or carry them literally into the tents a tent for the woman and a tent for the men. And inside those tents when I looked and I said I’d go and check it out to see what’s happening. And there was a man and he was what they call Uvanda he’s the high priest and it’s like a oh in America you’d probably think of it as a any ways it’s like a Satanic high priest. And he was into this and so they tied this man had to literally tie him up at this point because he was so you know out of control.  And they and of course they couldn’t do that in America (Laughing) but anyway and they were praying over him. And the next thing that happened the man actually elevated and flew to the top of the tent and made a whole in the top of the tent.

Sid: Now you’re saying he flew to the air?

Rebecca: Yeah he elevated ele…

Sid: No I understand the word I understand it (Laughing) I just wish I had been there.

Rebecca: Flew to the top of the tent made a whole through the tent and you know just elevated just like you know a rocket goes off.  Well he went off you know (Laughing). At first you know everybody was shocked but then they begin to run you know and Pablo Bottari will tell you he’s one of the ones who was charged of all of the tents. Anyway they get rid of Satan in the Name of Jesus down you know fall down, fall down in the name of Jesus and then they’d pick him up. And he was up in the air this guy was next thing you know this guy just goes straight down zoom boom. (Laughter) And landed in the chairs you know no harm done landed in the chair and gets totally delivered.  Now he’s serving and preaching and the gospel serving the Lord. And it’s you know exciting to see the changes in people but this man was in charge of a big occult in Argentina which is called Uvanda Occult and God just totally delivered him so it’s just amazing what God can do.

Sid: You know I was sort of bating our listeners on yesterday’s broadcast and I said “There are actually people that have their hair grow back in these meeting in Argentina and they’re actually people who lose weight and I’m talking about instant.  But have you seen someone lose weight at one of these meetings?

Rebecca: Yes I have.

Sid: Alright describe this to me.

Rebecca: Alright it could be a person that’s around well I’ve see this in my own meetings.

Sid: Alright describe one in your own meeting.

Rebecca: Yeah it was about a 300 pound lady and totally lost about 2 dress sizes in the meetings.

Sid: Instantly?

Rebecca: Instantly.

Sid: Now was there a word of knowledge for this or did this just happen?

Rebecca: It just happened (Laughing).

Sid: And where is your next meeting I think I want to go there ….I’m just teaching you.

Rebecca: But this you know people when you have faith you know what makes miracles happen?

Sid: What?

Rebecca: Hunger for God.

Sid: And what about the people that are listening right now that says “I want this hunger but I get so busy I don’t have it but I want it.” What’s the first step?

Rebecca: Acknowledge that you don’t know how to get it and that you need it basically.

Sid: Now it’s being honest with God.

Rebecca: Saying “God you know I don’t know how to have hunger I need it you know I need to have You more in my life but I just…because there’s a lot of people out there you know who love God but they don’t really hunger after Him they don’t really know how to you know get more hunger for God because they don’t know how to experience God.

Sid: And they hear people like you and they say “Boy she must be some special person.”  But anyone everyone can have this hunger for God and this miraculous happen.

Rebecca: And it’s basically when you hunger for God and you have a right heart for God and you know your heart is open and you know judging and saying “Well I don’t really believe dadadada”  but you’re just open.  You’re saying  “God I just I really need to know You I really hunger for You to teach me how to have more hunger for You and show me you know put inside my spirit the burning desire to be hungry for you.” And when you really pray that prayer God will begin to make you hungry for Him.

Sid: You know what I would like our people to pray that prayer right now. I’d like you to pray that prayer right now with us. Rebecca lead us in a prayer and I’m going to ask the listeners to say this prayer out loud and mean it to be hungry for intimacy with God.

Rebecca: Just say “Jesus I need You.”

Sid: “Jesus I need You.”

Rebecca:   “I need You to come to my life.”

Sid: “I need You to come to my life.”

Rebecca: I need to know that You are real.

Sid: I need to know that You are real.

Rebecca: I need to feel Your presence.

Sid: I need to feel Your presence.

Rebecca: I want to be a testimony of You.

Sid: I want to be a testimony of You.

Rebecca: Show up in my life.

Sid: Show up in my life.

Rebecca: I welcome Your Holy Spirit.

Sid: I welcome You Holy Spirit.

Rebecca: I welcome You Holy Spirit.

Sid: I welcome You Holy Spirit.

Rebecca: Give me hunger for You.

Sid: Give me hunger for You.

Rebecca: Let me feel Your Presence.

Sid: Let me feel Your Presence.

Rebecca: Now where I am.

Sid: Now where I am.

Rebecca: I cry unto You O God.

Sid: I cry unto You O God.

Rebecca: Make me hungry for You.

Sid: Make me hungry for You.

Rebecca: Make me desperate for You.

Sid: Make me desperate for You.

Rebecca: Waken me up O God.

Sid: Waken me up O God.

Rebecca:  Let me not be spiritually dead.

Sid: Let me not be spiritually dead.

Rebecca: Open me up to You Holy Spirit.

Sid: Open me up to You Holy Spirit.

Rebecca: Fill my life.

Sid: Fill my life.

Rebecca: Visit me O God.

Sid: Visit me O God.

Rebecca: I welcome Your angels.

Sid: I welcome Your angels.

Rebecca: I welcome Your visitations.

Sid: I welcome Your visitations.

Rebecca: And I wait for Your visitations.

Sid: And I wait for Your visitations.

Rebecca: And I expect it God now.

Sid: And I expect it God now.

Rebecca: Amen.

Sid: Amen.

Rebecca: Hallelujah.

Sid: Let me tell you if you said that prayer… uh oh it’s beginning to happen right now.

Sid:  I have on the telephone I’m so excited because maybe about 6 months ago I read a book by Carlos Annacondia.  The title is “Listen to Me Satan” the subtitle “Exercising Authority Over the Devil in Jesus Name.”  Now the longest standing revival I believe in the history of the world is going on in Argentina it’s been going strong for at least 17 years.  And this Carlos Annacondia is the one attributed to the one that God used to start this.  And I have one the telephone and we will be speaking later this week with Carlos by faith. But I have on the telephone, and see he only speaks Spanish so you can see why it will be a little difficult.  I have on the telephone Rebecca Macchi. Now Rebecca is a close friend of Carlos and she has witnessed with her very eyes some of the greatest miracles of the century.  And because she speaks English I have her on the telephone.  Rebecca so we can got to know you just a little bit your parents were missionaries to South America and you actually began preaching at age 13. But before we went on the air you were telling me about how your father really moved in the supernatural.  He prayed for 2 dead people that came back to life tell me about that.

Rebecca: Yes very exciting. When I was about 7 years old I saw…witnessed my first miracle.  There was a child of a pastor in a village that died and so we went to this village for the funeral and anyway when one knows God and knows the power and the presence of God over a person’s life you can sense that some things going to happen at certain times. And so we went into this church at the village we arrived in. He stood at the door praying for and talking with this pastor and I’m curious you know how children are I went to see the little baby and it was not in the casket they had it couldn’t afford at that point a casket apparently but any way it was on the table wrapped in sheets and you know they had candles and flowers all around the baby and it was dead. And so everybody was on the front rows crying and you know and I just looked at the baby because I had never seen a dead child before so I was just looking at it. And all of a sudden I sense the presence of God and at that age I had already experienced you know tremendous revivals and tremendous meetings in the tents where God’s presence would show up. So immediately I related that to my dad because you know God used him in that area so I knew something was going to happen. So I turned around and looked he was still speaking with the minister at the door and all of a sudden he turned around and began to walk toward the table where this baby was. He walked straight to the table grabbed the baby literally and picked it up and said “In the Name of Jesus I command the spirit of death to leave and I command in the Name of Jesus life to come into this child.”  Kind of the words of what he spoke and immediately the baby began to scream and cry (Laughing). Of course it was shocking for everyone and he said “This baby is not dead this baby is alive!” You know but that was one of my first exciting moments of my life you know. And it gave me a deep hunger in my heart and in my spirit to see God do things like this because I believe in a God of miracles, signs and wonders.

Sid: Now you literally saw when your parents needed money and they prayed money comes from heaven.  What do you mean about that?

Rebecca: Most missionaries go through at that point in time but thank God it’s different nowadays but the founding missionaries they went through a lot of times of testing….financial testing as you call it (Laughing). And at this point we had been like a week our food was giving out and you know my mother kept on asking my father you know “Have we gotten any mail, has anyone sent something? You know kept on asking and he says “It’s coming it’s coming he’d say that every day and soon she said “You better do something you know.” And He said “Oh yes I’ll get some in fact I’ll go get some groceries.  And so in fact I said “Dad can I go with you?” And so we went out and he closed the door and he stood on the steps of the house where we lived and looked up in the sky and I guess he was praying at this point. And I said “Dad are we going to the store?” He said “Yeah just wait a minute.” The next thing I know there’s this whirlwind that you know I had to close my eyes because there’s a lot of dust so I closed my eyes because of these whirlwind was coming, dust wind basically.  And the next thing I know there’s this “Look up there Rebecca.”  And so I looked up and floating toward us was this bunch of paper you know it looked like paper but anyway when it fell and the wind totally went away it was totally calm it was money.  And it was 500 pesos at that time and so it was a tremendous miracle financial miracle at that point.

Sid: So you’ve seen the dead raise, money come from heaven that must have really stretched your faith as a young child coming from a heritage like that.  But when you were on the platform with Carlos Annacondia, which you do quite often and you hear him stand up and say the title of his book “Listen to Me Satan.” I mean he speaks with such authority over the devil. What have you witnessed happening to people with your very eyes?

Rebecca: Well what happens a lot of times God can be totally clear like a sunny day I’ve seen this happen a couple of times. A sunny day and when that happens all of a sudden clouds, dark clouds, appear and it becomes very apparent that He is dealing with the darkness over that city and the principalities that are over that city. And it’s very real if any one…out there don’t believe in the supernatural you know in one of his meetings or in evil manifestations.

Sid: So you can see.

Rebecca: You can see it.

Sid: It’s like a fight that’s going on between the powers of darkness and God.

Rebecca: Yes.

Sid: And so what happens when those storm clouds gather and it becomes that encounter?

Rebecca: A lot of people begin to fall out in the Spirit but basically people from all over thousands and thousands of people at his meetings. People who are have been possessed or tormented by evil spirits and immediately begin to scream, begin to manifest fall out and basically various you know manifestations of evil appear. And so to have a team of usually 500 in that country but in other countries less but they pick these people up literally and they call them camareros. They pick them up and put them over their heads and take them straight to the tent. They have a tent on one side for woman and they another side for the men and they have 3 people that for each person that gets each people delivered by the scriptures you know by casting out the evil forces the evil spirits in the person.

Sid: Now here like in the United States and Canada we don’t see a whole lot of that have the demons just gone to Argentina (Laughing) or do we have them here? How come we don’t see that here that much?

Rebecca: No here our demons are very nice and very cultured (Laughing).

Sid: (Laughing).

Rebecca: And very composed the rest of them that are not and do not know how to behave nicely are basically in institutions.

Sid: Hmm.

Rebecca: Here the demons are very intelligent demons they’re very conniving and very smart.  They attack in a different way.

Sid: Now after Carlos prays and the people with demons manifest and they go to a tent and they’re set free I understand that the whole spiritual atmosphere over the meeting changes and it’s so easy for them to throw the net out and for people to come to the Lord.

Rebecca: Oh yes in Mar del Plata this was one of his first largest meetings that he had. He had 50,000 people saved in one night.

Sid: My goodness 50,000 in one night.

Rebecca: Like a month after his ministry began.

Sid: But after he gets rid of evil so to speak through his authority people want to come to the Lord.

Rebecca: Oh yes people run to the Lord! (Laughing)

Sid: What about creative miracles I understand a lot of babies with say Down Syndrome?

Rebecca: Oh yes.

Sid: They get healed but it’s not so much a gradual healing have you actually seen the features of the baby’s faces change before your very eyes?

Rebecca: Well what happens is they fall under the power of God and it’s like for example there little tongues their little tongues usually the Down Syndrome children are kind of hanging out sort of so to speak you know.

Sid: Yes.

Rebecca: It’s like somebody’s grabs their tongue and stretches it like you stretch a rubber band and then you let it loose the rubber band you let it loose.

Sid: Hm hm.

Rebecca: That will actually kind of like their tongue is stretched and it pops back into their mouth its incredible (Laughing) you know to see and the little eyes they totally change.

Sid:  What happens to their eyes?

Rebecca: Well they have you know the special little eyes they have a change comes over their eye features that’s very apparent.

Sid: Well what happens to their thinking ability because you know many are not able to think at a level of a normal person?

Rebecca: That’s what happens they come to a normal IQ level.

Sid: Instantly or gradually?

Rebecca: Once I’ve seen it instantly but there’s some…

Sid: What about the shapes of their heads sometimes the shapes of their head are not correct?

Rebecca: (Laughing) God just does it it’s supernatural.

Sid: Have you seen the shapes of their head change before your eyes, their eyes change before your eyes?

Rebecca: Yes but it’s unexplainable to the natural to one naturally you know you can’t explain it.

Sid: How many have you see like this?

Rebecca: Well this was in one meeting that I saw this and there was at least 6 children went up and they called out of the whole meeting. Now this has happened a lot in Japan where he’s been an incredible Down Syndrome…

Sid: Rebecca unfortunately we’re out of time right now I mean I want to talk about these people that instantly that are bald and they get hair back.  I mean this is hard for us to believe here in the United States but we’ll have you back on tomorrow’s broadcast.