SID: What does this mean to you? What difference did it make in your life?

WARREN: What it’s done is, I understand exactly my mind becomes singular because I’m in the father. I’m in sync with him and what his thoughts are. And the other thing is he gives me my assignments. I begin getting these ideas and various things for my work that I’m doing and various things. And then he shows me, here’s how you accomplish it. Give this to this person. You do this one. You do that. Hold off on this one. It’s amazing, Sid. It’s totally transformed the way I live and brought this Shalom, this piece, upon me, to be able to work, to achieve things that I never thought and dreamed I could in one day, every moment by moment experience with him.

SID: What is happening to people that you’re teaching this to?

WARREN: They’re totally being transformed. There’s people that have been healed. There’s people who have sleep insomnia, totally gone. A woman had a child with a club foot. She began proclaiming the prayer, not me praying it over. She proclaimed the prayer over her child and the child didn’t have to go for surgery. The foot was straightened out. I had another woman, they were going to foreclose on her house, needed $20,000. A person walks up to her from her church, says, I feel led of the Lord to give you $20,000. She’s continuing to walk in that type of provision that God has for her.

SID: Well, when I see what God did for our Jewish people, 40 years in the desert, every need taken care of, I believe it’s got to be better under the new covenant.

WARREN: Definitely. One of the things that I found as a key, he said that you, Moses, can’t pray this. There has to be a high priest that prays it over the people of Israel. So Aaron would pray it each time. And it was this thing when he would pray it, the glory a little bit of the glory would come upon—

SID: Do you realize, Warren, every time you say the word glory, it pops out. I’m not a seer. If I was a seer, I would say… That’s what I would say. But I feel…

WARREN: I feel like there’s people at home, you’re experiencing, but here’s the thing; that priest only went in once a year into the holy of holies, during Yom Kippur. That’s the only time he met with the father in his Shekinah. And then he would say that prayer, and look what the results of it were. But we have a high priest. Now, Yeshua, himself, before he rose up, he became high priest. After he died and rose again, he said over his disciples, it said he lifted both hands. He said, tarry in Jerusalem till the promise of the father comes. He then lifts his hands up. And it says he blessed them. Well, we know the only Hebrew blessing that is said by a high priest is this prayer. But the key is, that prayer is for us today. He wants to proclaim that prayer. When we say it in his name, in his person, it’s him speaking it over us.

SID: It’s two weeks later, your sister takes you to church. What happened?

ROB: Oh my goodness. My sister Ernestine, she says these words. Precious, will you do me a favor? But then she asked me the unthinkable. She said, Rob, will you go to church with me? When she said that? I was like, I already said yes. And in my mind I was a CEO, Christmas, Easter, Only. I didn’t need to go to church very often, because I was a good guy. I didn’t know I needed salvation. But in that very moment, when she invited me to church, I agreed. I show up Sunday morning. She walks me in. We sit down in these nice cushy little seats. And she says, these words. She says, precious, I’ll be right back. She put me in a seat, goes to the back and begins to pray that God would encounter me. That God would touch me. That God would transform me. I started to feel a shake in my body. I felt an overwhelming presence. And I got a little afraid. And I think I said to myself, something like this, I need to get the H E L L out of here.

ROB: I didn’t realize God was getting rid of it in me. And so, as I went to sit up, the presence of God overwhelmed me and a seatbelt came on me, and I bent over and immediately I began to weep. I began to cry uncontrollably. I cried out and I said, these words. Lord, if you’re real, save me. Right there, no one laid hands, no one ministered salvation to me, God himself came and delivered me. From that day forward, Sid, no one had to invite me to church. I just got up every Wednesday, every Sunday, with a thought, I’m going to the house of God. And my life was radically—

SID: What happened to that wonderful photography career?

ROB: Oh my God. That’s all I can say is, when I least expected it, I got invited to a service in Southern California. I lived in Northern California and I knew in my knower, something inside of me was saying, you need to get to the service. And there’s a pastor that’s speaking a message called, lay down your Isaac. And he began to announce to the church, today, we’re all going to sacrifice greatly. We’re going to lay down our Isaac. And he said, we’re going to do something completely different in today’s service. And he says, we’re going to take the gifts that you laid down, and we’re going to ask Bible trivia questions, and we’re going to give it to the one who’s able to answer the question. And we’re going to believe that this was God’s doing. And I was excited. I had a few dollars in my pocket and I was like, yes, Lord, I’ll give it all.

ROB: And the Lord spoke to me and he says, Rob, do you love me? And I said, Lord, with all my heart, what do you want? I’m thinking 25, $50. At that time, I’m young. I didn’t have very much money. And he said, I want your camera. And he said, will you give me your camera? And in that moment, the basket is going by. And I could feel the heart, that tug. I don’t know if you’ve ever had that tug, that inner fight with the Holy Spirit. I had that inner fight going on. And I just said, yes, Lord, I love you. And I took my pen and I began to write on the offering envelope and I threw it in. And then the Lord spoke to me a second time, right then and there, on the spot as the offering plate is going away. He says, do you love me? I said, Lord, I just gave you my prized possession. He says, do you love me? I said, all within me, Lord, everything in my heart. He says, today, will you sacrifice and give all your camera equipment away? And without hesitation, I said, yes.

SID: I’ve got a Jewish rabbi from New Jersey, that studied at yeshiva in Israel. And boldly says that Jesus, Yeshua, is the Messiah, not just the Jewish Messiah, but is the Messiah of the whole world. And he’s had quite an amazing search to come up with this conclusion. Would you believe his search started out by being a JewBu? You’ve never heard that term, have you? You think I’m making it up? I’m not. Rabbi Jason, tell me what in the world is a JewBu?

JASON: Shalom. A JewBu is a Jewish Buddhist. And I grew up in a traditional Jewish family, was working in the music industry. Looked at the lives of all these famous people, and I said, there has to be more to life than just this. Began a spiritual journey. I didn’t want just religion. I wanted a real relationship, a real encounter with the Lord. So I was going to synagogue, study with my rabbi, but through martial arts and yoga, I became a JewBu, a new age Jew, a Jewish Buddhist. I’d meditate for hours a day. One day as I was meditating, my soul began to vibrate. It left my body. I could see my body there. It went through the clouds, and the next thing I know I was in heaven and I saw this King on this throne, in this glorious light. I felt the power of God pulsating through every cell of my body.

JASON: Every fabric of my being began to come alive with the power and the presence of God. I had never felt anything like this. And this King on this throne told me I was called to serve him. And I knew that that King was Jesus, that it was Yeshua.

SID: But coming from my traditional background, how… I don’t think it was that calm. Was it?

JASON: No, It was crazy because I knew nothing about Yeshua. I knew nothing about Jesus, right? And I have this encounter with him. And the next thing I know, I’m back in my room, shaking under the power of heaven, in this state of euphoria, start running around saying I’m called to serve him. I’m called him to serve him. My Jewish mother is like, you’re called to serve who? Jesus? We’re Jewish for crying out loud.

SID: Okay. Then… and by the way, in a moment, wait till you hear his encounter in heaven, after becoming a believer. We’ll do that shortly. But your best friend, John, something happened to him too, when he starts talking to you, what happened?

JASON: Yeah. He has an encounter with the Lord. He comes to faith in Yeshua and he calls me on the telephone, and he says, Jason, you went to Hebrew school as a child. Could you tell the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament? I said, sure. So he reads me this passage about the crucifixion. And I said, John, that’s easy. It’s a New Testament. He said, let me read you another passage. He was bruised for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities and by his stripes, we’re healed. He said, Jason, old or new? I said, John, that’s easy. It’s a New Testament. It’s Jesus. He said, no, that’s Isaiah 53, the Jewish prophet speaking, 700 years before he ever walked the face of the earth and I was blown away. I’d never heard that passage growing up.

YVON: And so, He basically ignored what I said. And He said to me, “I want you to mark seven days from today. And in seven days, you will be healed.” That was the first thing. So I pulled out my phone, and I took photos of all my skin. And I just said, “Lord, heal me. Just heal me.” Seven days, Sid, seven days, I wake up one morning, and I knew throughout the seventh day something was happening, because my skin was changing color. And literally, I flick them all off, and I am completely and totally cleansed.

SID: And the thing that really sinks in, is you and your husband went to a healing conference of someone that’s been a guest on our show, a friend of mine, Randy Clark. And what happened to you and your husband?

YVON: Basically, I didn’t know much about this stuff. All I knew is that when God comes with His fire, He touches you. So I just saw it on the internet and I said, “Fire conference, glory conference, healing conference, whatever it is.” But I just wanted a touch of God. And so, Fire Conference came up, and I said, “Wow, that’s like next week.” And so, I booked it straight away. I had no idea who Randy Clark was. I just knew that there’s going to be fire in this conference, and I wanted it at any cost. I just want it.

YVON: So we got there, and I saw Dr. Randy Clark, and my life was turned upside down. Why? Four days of solid biblical teaching. And every time he would teach, literally, I felt like I wanted to fall on the floor. Because he thought that it was God’s will to heal at all times. That was the first thing that was like, “Wow.”

SID: Everyone.

YVON: Everyone. He even said this, Sid. He said, “Okay, I’m going to pray for you to receive your first word of knowledge.” And I remember, I said, “Okay.” So I’m sitting there, and he said, “This is how you receive a word of knowledge. You can see it, you can feel it, or you can hear it.” So I sat there, and I said, “Lord, I see someone in the room with a very severe neck pain.” And so I said it to me, and I said to my husband, “Look, I’m getting this word of knowledge, but maybe it’s just me.”

YVON: And I remember he encouraged me. He said to me, “Yvon, if you do not practice, this is the word, practice, in the midst of believers, you’re never going to have the faith to practice in the outside world. What are you going to lose?” And I said, “Right.” I put up my hand to Dr. Randy, and I said, “I got a word with this condition.” And he said, “Come up to the front. You call it.” When I called it, a man came out, and he said to me that he had this for over 15 years. And as soon as I called it, the pain left his body. Now, that took me to another level. It’s like, God can use me. He even opened my eyes. Even my eyes could see, so my faith was building up.

YVON: Towards the end, the last day, he called me and my husband out, and that was the last thing I ever imagined. He looked at us. He had no idea where we were from. And he said, “God is giving you the Middle East. And He is saying that you and your husband will preach to Muslims, and thousands will come to the Lord through the supernatural power of God. You will heal the sick, the mute will speak, the deaf will hear. And you will see such a revival.” At that moment, both me and my husband fell under the power of God for almost an hour shaking, just shaking, receiving, and receiving, and receiving.

SID: How do we walk in this degree of glory that just saturates a huge auditorium. When you show up in this degree of love, how do we?

MATT: I tell you, Holy Spirit is no respecter of persons. Holy Spirit will give a divine love to people. All they need to do is ask for it, but also position themselves in the presence of God, in the secret place. And when they go into the secret place, Holy Spirit will visit them as they invite him. And what will happen is their spirit will hit a saturation point. And as their spirit gets saturated with the tangible presence of God, suddenly an overflow will start to happen. And what they experience with God in secret will suddenly start to move out in public. Like when I walk into a room, God walks in with me. Holy Spirit walks in with me. Deaf ears start opening, cancers get healed. In fact, we had a young girl, Sid, Said we were in a meeting. And what I’ve learned is what you cultivate in secret can fill a stadium, can even fill beyond that, really.

MATT: And Holy Spirit started to move around and deaf ears started opening and my team brought up this young girl and she was born with no ears at all. Just, she had this long brown hair and my team pulled her hair back and all you could see, was little holes on the side of her head. And I remember thinking, “Oh God this is not just a deaf ear being healed. She has no ears at all.” But then the power God started with… The raw power of God’s started to

SID: Did she have an ear drum?

MATT: No, she had nothing. She was born with no ear drum, no ears, nothing. She was deaf from birth and the power God started going through her. And all of a sudden her eyes got really big. And as her eyes got real big, I’m like, “What’s happening to you?” She said, “I just heard a popping on the inside of my head ear. And I can hear for the first time in my life.” And her family was there and they were able to testify to what God had done in her.

SID: I’m reminded as a young man, you persevered. What in the world caused you to persevere like that? But that’s the key, by persevering, he bumped into, as you put it, a total saturation. Is the point you had more than you needed yourself. So others were getting it.

MATT: Yeah. Just shocked by God, honestly. I remember… So now I grew into my young adult years and I was in ministry now. Just started in ministry as a pastor, young pastor. And I walked into my office as a pastor. And I remember as I walked from the hall into the office, the manifest presence of God was right there. I walked right into the Holy Spirit and he said to me, “Close the door. I want to spend this whole day with you.” So I shut the door. I sat down. And when I sat down, Sid, I have felt God’s presence, but this was different. This was… The weighty glory of God came over me. And I got so amazed and thankful that I was experiencing this, that I said, “Thank you, Jesus.” And when I said, thank you. The presence lifted off. And then I got quiet and His presence came back again.

SID:  These, these kids—

 ROBBY:  So we had a glorious meeting.   

SID:  These kids’ll never forget that, Robby.  

ROBBY:  Yeah. And we finished…

SID:  Just as you never forgot what happened as a nine year old.

ROBBY: Yeah. We finished, and we finished off with the, you know with everybody just putting their hands out and inviting the presence of God to come in the room and then feel the tangible reality of God’s presence and they all did, every one of them raised their hand.  

SID:  You know, I want toget to this guy that died where we have the doctor’s testimony.

ROBBY:  Sure. Yeah, Sorry.

SID:  No, no, no, no. But you hit something that is so important for our people to grasp and you really go into detail of course in your “Do What Jesus Did” package. But explain to me what you mean by “ministering the presence of God” for starters. What do you mean by that?   

ROBBY:  Yeah. You know ministering the manifest presence of God you, you are releasing Christ lives in you. The Holy Spirit lives in you. If you have a relationship and you’ve received the Holy Spirit He lives in you. They’re there. They’re present and, and it’s not you know it’s not far off and far away and so you can release that. You know Jesus said peace I give to you. Not just any peace. It’s peace that goes beyond human and, human understanding and comprehension. It’s the peace of Jesus and if somebody gives you something you can give it away. Well His presence in us is something we can release for people to experience and to feel and to encounter. And so when you, when you pray for people we can say—

SID:  Will a non—

 ROBBY:  —you know I release you—   

SID:  Will a non-believer— Wait, Robby. Will a non-believer feel this presence when you release it?  

ROBBY:  Absolutely! Absolutely! And they do many times.  And that’s— there’s many times where I’ve had them, where I’ve prayed for them. They’ve been healed and they’re, they’re still not 100% sure but then with the manifest presence of God you know it just it totally blows them away.

SID:  Again though that’s not—You know we almost have— what I’m hearing you say is we have a secret weapon that 99.9 %…

ROBBY:  Yes!

SID:  —of us aren’t even using!

ROBBY:  Yeah, and I think it’s because we’re not aware that it’s there to use but it is. And it’s, it’s something that we can release and give away and, and just pray for people to experience. And all of it— you know it’s amazing because all these children begin to feel tingling and heat in their hands and begin to feel it over their backs, over their necks, you know along down their legs. And they were feeling that manifest presence of God. Of course it manifests in many different ways you know but they were feeling that. And so it was powerful and so we had—

SID:  Now, now just out, just out of curiosity—

ROBBY:  Yes, Sid.

SID:  Do you, do you willfully ask the presence of God? Tell me how do you do this?

ROBBY:  Well stopping and praying and just saying, you know how I pray is just Holy Spirit, come right now and just, and just fall on my friend here, just rest on my friend right now.

SID:  But do you expect— you expect the Holy Spirit to fall    on them. Don’t you?

ROBBY:  Absolutely! Because—

SID:  So what happens when the Holy Spirit doesn’t? I don’t feel nothin’? What happens? What do you do?

ROBBY:  And there are sometimes where people do that. You know where they’ll say I don’t feel anything. Many times I’ll just pray Lord, any hindrances, any blocks, any opposition from the enemy that’s trying to prevent this we just pray all those be removed right now. Because I know it is not God withholding.  

SID:  So when you—  

ROBBY:  God doesn’t withhold.

SID: You know, LaDonna, you said this, “That you haven’t lived a perfection type life.” You had a daughter that died. You had a son that was addicted to drugs, probably would have died if God didn’t intervene. But as a matter of fact, I have to believe that what happened to your son; Do you have a son or daughter that you believing is going to sell out for Jesus? I happen to believe that when we come back, I want to talk about your son Tommy, LaDonna because I believe it’s going to give such hope for those that are viewing right now. But make an investment in souls, going to the Jew first, you get healed yourself, and then heal everyone you can lay hands on. We’ll be right back. [music]  

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SID: Well, Sid Roth here with Something More. I’m ready for more, aren’t you ready for more? [music ends] You know when I wrote my song, “There Must Be Something More” before I was a believer, and I was in College. I knew there was Something More, but I didn’t know about Jesus. And I found Jesus, but then I found out something amazing. After I found Jesus, that I can have more and more and more of Him. It never stops, and that’s what I want for you. I want for you to hunger and thirst for righteousness because the Messiah Himself said, “If you’ll hunger and thirst for righteousness, you will be filled.” And you’re about ready to be filled, because I have on the telephone, LaDonna Osborn, daughter of T.L. and Daisy Osborn. And LaDonna, I met your son Tommy. And it’s almost hard to believe that he got as low as he got. Tell me what happened to Tommy, and as a mother, it must have really been difficult for you.  

LADONNA: You are saying true words. He was about 14 and his heart was just turning away from the Lord. He had seen everything with us in ministry, but it was it was like he needed to prove to himself that this was true. So he investigated all the Eastern Religions, and was just going against everything he had been taught; just rebellious, just rebellious. And by the time he was 16 he was, of course, drinking and addicted to drugs. Literally had destroyed his mind. He couldn’t say a complete sentence. I came to the point that I knew all I could do was; #1 Put Tommy in God’s hands, knowing that He loved Tommy even more than I did. And He had lots of ways to get through to Tommy. When I couldn’t, God could. And I just would walk the floor at night just thanking God for rescuing my son. I didn’t shed tears of hopelessness, I just declared that he belonged to God and I believed that God was rescuing him. Well, of course, Tommy had marvelous experience with the Lord. A personal encounter when he was on a “Drug High.” I knew he told you all about it, and during that encounter, he just responded, “Jesus, okay.” And he stopped fighting, and he was delivered instantly from drugs, from alcohol, his life was turned around. He became an instant soul winner.

SID: You know as a proud Mamma, which you are, tell me about your son today. Well, with the transformation.

LADONNA: He had become, #1 He is an Evangelist. So he and his wife, and now they have 5 children, they have been to over 50 nations of the world. Their ministry is Frontier Evangelism.

SID: This is a kid that was about ready to die.

LADONNA: I know.

SID: This is a kid that turned from God, and you think you have a problem with your kid?  

LADONNA: [laughs]

JAMIE: Yeah, I mean this is so fascinating because basically for me, before this conversation, I’m thinking, “Okay, why does the whole world hang on this one percent population?”

JONATHAN: One-quarter of one percent.

JAMIE: One-quarter of one percent!

JONATHAN: It’s that tiny.

JAMIE: But now you’re telling me there are lost tribes of Jewish people in Africa right now. Are you talking about that there are possibly black people in Africa right now that are Jewish? Is that possible?

JONATHAN: It’s not only possible, it’s proven. So how do you confirm that they are Jews? How do you—what are the things that I look for now? One: I look for persecuted groups because Judaism, or Jewish identity, just has been tied to persecution because there’s a literal enemy who’s seeking to destroy the Jewish people, just as God says, “I’ll preserve you”. Two: oral tradition. When there’s a group that’s been isolated, that doesn’t intermarry, that follows certain laws of Moses, and it is part of their oral tradition, handed down for centuries, that’s curious to me and often is like, you know, sending up a smoke signal. And then the third thing now, which is the definitive proof, is DNA testing. So let’s talk about the Lemba in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Okay, they’ve been isolated, they’ve had these claims that they’re not only Jews, but tied to the Levitical priesthood, ignored by the Jewish community for I don’t know how long, and then DNA testing comes along and they test this random group of Lemba and not only did they test positive for having origins rooted in the Middle East, not Africa, but seventy percent have the priestly gene that has now been discovered through a testing of the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews who know that they’re priests from the tribe of Levi, and seventy percent of those tested have the same DNA type. That proves that they’re Jewish, that they’re historically tied to Israel. And now the rabbis are interested in traveling to Zimbabwe to build a relationship with the Lemba and convert them back to their heritage.

JAMIE: This is fascinating! You know, people are watching this right now, Jonathan, and they’re wondering, “What do I do? How do I get involved?” You know? And if this one-quarter of one percent could possibly be a lost ten percent, you know, where do they fit into the mix?

JONATHAN: Or more?

JAMIE: Or more.

JONATHAN: Again, the prophets saw this. It talks about, in that day the outcasts of Israel will be regathered. Why is that important? Because it means Jesus is about to return, we need to wake up and smell the coffee. The Bible repeatedly warns us, the New Testament warns us, you can’t set the date, no one knows the hour, but you better know the season. That’s a warning to us. Then we need to be sober, to be vigilant, not to fall into deception, but to be partakers of the outpouring that God wants to bring in the last days, and to be co-workers with the Holy Spirit because this is not a spectators sport, Jamie. We have the greatest opportunity in history to be part of the biggest move of God’s Spirit in history. Today’s the day.

JAMIE: Speaking of that, I know there’s someone watching right now and they need that extra push. You know, they’re looking for something and the Holy Spirit, right now, is working in their heart. Could you speak to those people right now?

JONATHAN: I would love to. I really want to encourage you today; this is the set time to favor Zion, first of all. So, understand God’s plan for Israel, His faithfulness to the Jewish people, because your trust in a God that remains faithful to you is tied into that. But also, I want to urge you to get involved in God’s program. If you have been waiting to commit your life to the Lord and you’re just not ready, I believe today is the day of your salvation. There’s not much time left. If you’ve strayed from the Lord, come back. Now is the time. And if you’re not spending time with Him, and growing close, to Him, and paying attention to His warnings, getting into the Word of God, I really urge you to do it today, because tomorrow may be too late. Today is the day because God has a destiny for your life and He wants you to fulfill that destiny.

BRIAN: I’m like okay, God is doing something!

DONNA: More s’mores!

BRIAN: Exactly. And so my buddy Dave and I looked at him and I said you know if we investigate what God is doing, we can get in a lot of trouble! Or we could just kind of leave, you know? So we chose trouble! And I just asked the girl I said what’s God speaking to you? And she just kept speaking in tongues but the third time she says, “Oh, but the love of God for camp!” Just what I heard a week prior, in my apartment in the middle of the night! 

DONNA: Now this is a bit of a conservative camp, so they were really wanting this to stop.

BRIAN: Oh, absolutely! This was out of their paradigm! They were uncomfortable with this, right? What happened next is, Donna, it was incredible! The power of God started showing up! Kids started just manifesting! Demons were coming out! Kids were falling under the power of God and giving their lives to Christ! They were just coming out of the woodworks! Now, what was interesting though, some of the pastors were watching this and they were literally hiding behind trees and bushes!

DONNA: Oh no! [Laughing]

BRIAN: You know freaked out of their mind! One guy says hey listen, we got to stop the nonsense! Walks up to a girl. Grabs her and starts to pull her. She’s like completely out! And I’m like I don’t know what’s going on! This is God! You know? And the next thing I know is the pastors are calling me into their cabin saying we’ve got to talk about this! What did you bring to our camp? You know?    

DONNA: Oh my goodness! Let’s stop right there. We’re going to be back with more with Brian in just a minute. It looks like Brian’s maybe gotten himself in a little bit of a tough spot here! His passion [Music] to serve but yet He’s maybe getting in a little trouble with some leaders. So let’s find out what happens next in just a moment!  

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DONNA: Well welcome back to “Something More!” I’m here with Brian Blount and we’re talking a little bit about a bit of a tough spot that Brian found himself in! Brian?

BRIAN: Yeah! I was a little perplexed because here the presence of God had come and that’s how I came into the kingdom! And so I was a little confused why were they were so upset by what was happening? And so you know what I did I said – because they kept saying you know Brian, this has been really so much confusion, you know cause these kids are speaking in tongues. I don’t know if this could be God. This could be the devil. And I said well the only way they’re going to know this is God and you’re going to know it’s God is let’s open up the Word and let’s see what the Word says. They didn’t really like that answer so much, honestly.     

DONNA: Oh, no. Yeah. 

BRIAN: And so I got asked to leave the camp and it really put something, of pain in my heart because I was like God, this is what I want to do! What’s going on? 

DONNA: Uh-huh.

BRIAN: And so you know I found myself in this process of like wondering why the church didn’t want to receive the presence of God because this is how I encountered Jesus and I came into the kingdom.

DONNA: Uh-huh. But of course, you had hopes that not all churches and not everyone and not all denominations or groups or whatever had shared that same view.

BRIAN: Right.

DAVID: Well, I’m 31 today. And I remember I was saved at the age of 11. So just about 20 years walking with the Holy Spirit and he’s my closest friend. And I remember he was a friend to me in a season of life. Those awkward teenage years where you sense that rejection, everyone goes through a phase where they don’t feel like they quite belong. And I remember it was in the confusion of that season of my life, that the Holy Spirit showed himself to be my friend. And ever since then, we’ve been very close.

SID: If someone got ahold of your brand new book and your teaching CDs and devoured it and followed these secrets, you’ve been taught your whole life by the Holy Spirit, can they do everything you do? Everything?

DAVID: I believe that. And like your saying, anything I can do, you can do better.

SID: Right. Let’s leave it at that. Well, when we return, David, we’ll pray that the same intimacy he has with the Holy Spirit, you’re going to manifest it. You’re going to operate in it. Be right back.

SID: Now I know a lot of you when they, you see, someone’s going to talk about prayer. You kind of tune them out. You say, “That’s for people that are quote, intercessors.” And I do pray, but you get into a realm where it’s a delight.

DAVID: It’s no longer an obligation. It’s an opportunity when you move past the flesh. You can sing in church and not really have a fight put up by the flesh. Some people can read the scriptures and not really sense that fights. People can do ministry and charity and good deeds and that fight isn’t really put up. But the moment you begin to pray, the flesh starts to squirm and try to distract. Why? Because prayer is the death of the flesh. Prayer is how you weaken that side of your nature. And really it is the flesh.

SID: I know one friend of mine that says, “Flesh, you stop it.” He’ll talk to his flesh. “You surrender flesh. You’re done.” He starts praying in tongues.

DAVID: And that’s one of the keys to really finding this breakthrough, that oneness with the spirit, because anything that strengthens my spirit weakens my flesh. Philippians chapter four, verses six through seven, says, “Don’t worry about anything, pray about everything, tell God what you need, while thanking him for what he’s done.” Here’s really one of the keys to seeing that prayer go from that discipline or that sense of obligation to finding that flow. I like to say that every shovel is full of dirt before you hit the water when digging a well. And prayer is like that when I’m digging for that wellspring, I have to uncover those layers of dirt or the flesh. And so when you present your needs to God says, don’t worry about anything. Worry is the flesh’s powerless counterfeit for prayer. And when I pray, I’m talking in faith.

SID: Wow that is so profound. You got to say that again. Look in the camera.

DAVID: Worry is the flesh’s powerless counterfeit for prayer. When I’m worrying, I’m praying really in the flesh. And so what you do is you approach God. And here’s the thing, you approach God, you give him all those things that are weighing on your mind, responsibilities, family, ministry, all those things that I call inner chaos. And it’s like trying to ascend the mountain of glory while wearing a backpack. You want to put that off before you begin to climb. So when I present my requests to God and leave those in his hands, the Bible says, “Then the peace fills my heart.” Now here’s the mistake many believers make. Once they receive that peace from having unburdened themselves from all of the responsibilities of this world, then they say, “Oh, I sense that peace. Thank you, Lord, I’ll see you later.” And then they leave. But the peace that God gives you after the prayer request is not the end of the journey, peace is the beginning. The Holy Spirit wants to take you into the depths of the spirit, but he waits for you at the gate of peace.