Sid: You know what bothers me I see people in the cults knocking on doors sharing the counterfeit gospel. I see peopled on television representing the New Age having no censorship whatsoever and I see people that are genuine born again Christians just having Praise the Lord parties while the world is literally going to hell and it’s about ready to change. God is looking for people that are red hot for Him at least as red hot for Him as they are for the devil. My guest Michael Champagne I’m speaking to him at his home in Palisade, Colorado was raised a nice Baptist I mean you even taught Bible studies. So how does someone raised in a Baptist… now coming from a Jewish background I have some stereotypes if you will Michael. My stereotype is, the Baptist preach the gospel. How does someone who knows the Bible get involved in Satanism at the same time?
Michael: Well it all boils down to the power. I was walking up to my leaders and saying “Hey you know what I read the Bible I read the story when can I heal the sick, when can I cast out demons, when can I do this stuff?” And my teachers would always say “You know Michael God doesn’t do that anymore that was for the Bible time.” And I was like it was just so disillusioning I wanted a real experience and all I could get is their words. So I went on a search to find reality and the devil was more than happy to show me his power.
Sid: Just out of curiosity I find obviously the fundamental church, the evangelical church you don’t see much of the supernatural but even in the charismatic church today you don’t see much of the supernatural. Why is this?
Michael: I think it’s a control issue I think that we want God to show up in His power glory to the degree that we can control it and monitor it. If it doesn’t go with exactly what we believe is the proper Biblical you know, scenario, we don’t want anything to do with it. We don’t want to you know Ezekiel 37 talks about the river under the temple; we want to be splashing around in the wade pool, but God wants us to jump head in over heels and let Him be the tour guide.
Sid: Well correct me if I’m wrong, but in Satanism isn’t that what people do with the devil they go in 100% not 99%?
Michael: Absolutely. I went in in my role in Satanism was the middle of the circle. In Satanism you know there’s earth, wind, water, fire but what you don’t hear about was spirit, I was spirit. Basically I was an antenna for these evil powers. I would just open myself up surrender to them and then they’d come in. That’s where all my power came from is because I was so open to those demonic powers.
Sid: But you knew the gospel did it bother you that you had a twinge of conscience that you’re going to lose your soul for all of eternity?
Michael: At first maybe but for church started getting more dim and more un-relevant and…
Sid: How did you first get into this?
Michael: Well I really quite innocent I was reading Greek mythology you know Zeus…
Sid: Yeah a lot of people read Greek mythology.
Michael: Right but I was looking at this in the same way you know a Christian would read the Bible I was trying to find truth. And you know if you’re looking for something no matter what it is you’re going to find it. If you’re looking for God eventually you’ll run smack-dab into Him. I was just looking for an experience that was real. So the Greek mythology led me to… I was starting to read about this one Greek goddess called Diana she was a moon goddess. So I started reading everything I could about moon worship and then I started getting into paganism and druidism and then before I knew it I was into full fledge Satanism.
Sid: Now you said these demonic spirits controlled you; what do you mean by that?
Michael: Well when they entered me it was 50% me and the rest of it was them so I could walk and talk and do my own thing but when they needed to get out and attack somebody or throw curses on somebody or something like that I wouldn’t remember what had happened. I would blank out the demons would take over and then I would come to.
Sid: Well let me ask you a question now that you’re a believer in Jesus what happens if Satanists curses you?
Michael: It bounces off of them unless I have an open door. See a curse cannot alight without an open door the Bible says. And that is true and witches know that and part of my demonic power back then was I could see sin in Christians lives.
Sid: Give me an example of open doors.
Michael: Sexual perversion, adultery any little thing that’s not confessed under the blood even if they committed a sin that night and they felt bad and they repented it can’t touch them. It’s any sin that’s not been repented of.
Sid: Out of curiosity in the movies in television now in the books that Harry Potter craze the things about vampires and witches if someone watches this and just jokes about it and doesn’t think that it has any power, is there any power of this thing coming into homes almost 24 hours a day in many instances?
Michael: Yeah what the spirits do is they infiltrate the home and they attach themselves to the weakest mind in our case it would be like a child. And it passes the mind and all it does is plays it enters their dreams they start thinking about it they start reading about it and they’ll start getting more into it. This can take a gradual a gradual process over years or it can be immediate.
Sid: But what about this the big craze this Harry Potter what’s wrong with that?
Michael: Well in it in a nutshell it’s really interesting because most people think the more you know obvious it is the more demonic it is that’s not the case. See Satan hides behind the things that look less demonic. Harry Potter the first book and the first movies they start out very innocent so to speak there’s not any darkness there it’s kind of like “La la la.” And as it progresses it gets darker and darker and darker.
Sid: It’s pretty diabolical.
Michael: Right and that’s the way Satan plays the game. See if he came out in all of his evil glory nobody would listen to him it’d freak people out. But if he can you know it’s kind of like a frog in hot water if you throw a frog in boiling water he jumps out but if you put the frog in cold water an slowly turn up the heat that frog will die. That’s what Satan does he slowly puts his victims in mess and he slowly turns up the level of evil.
Sid: Correct me if I’m wrong, everything in Satanism is a cheap counterfeit of the authentic in God true or false?
Michael: True, absolutely.
Sid: How come we see so much for instance when you were in Satanism did you see people healed?
Michael: Yes I’ve healed people as a Satanist.
Sid: Now I was always told that what you do is that you get rid of the demon that’s causing the sickness. In other words the devil is causing this sickness and then he releases it. Is it a demon? I’d like to know from your insight is it a demon that causes sickness all the time?
Michael: Not all the time demons do not cause sickness but a lot of the time it’s a demon that causes sickness. And the interesting thing about demonic healers is it’s much like a drug pusher who sells drugs. You know you come to me with an ailment I say “Okay give me your money and I’ll fix the problem, or I’ll lay my hand on you or do whatever the ritual is and I pull off that demon.” You feel better and then when you walk away. I release it again and it goes back to you and now you’re hooked you’re like “Oh he’s the only one that can heal me.” And then you come back to me.
Sid: Oh it’s a power deal.
Michael: Right exactly it’s just like a drug pusher you know I give you some drugs and then you walk away and then you feel awful when you come down you have to go to me because I’m the one that gave you the drugs in the first place. And so it’s a form of… it’s a physiological control over your subject.
Sid: Now just out of curiosity, I’ve read statistics that there is a high percentage of Jewish people in the New Age and in witchcraft. Do you have any knowledge of this?
Michael: Yeah sad to say that the Jewish heritage other than the linage of the Messiah was also steeped in the occult they had something called the Kabala.
Sid: Not had they still do.
Michael: Yeah they still do they have Kabala which is Jewish mysticism everything in the demonic world is the counterfeit of the way of the Messiah. They have they interview the Bible as part of the rituals.
Sid: But you know the Bible is very clear on what will win Jewish people to the gospel. The Bible states that the Greek requires wisdom, but the Jew requires a sign. In other words, the Jew is built is created to have such intimacy with God to see signs and wonders and if we don’t see signs and wonders in the church, we see it in the New Age. And that’s why we gravitate there that’s why we started a television show we called “It’s Supernatural.” I don’t have to stand up on my television show and say “I’m Jewish and I believe in Jesus and here’s why Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9 and Micah 5 and all of these prophecies.” All I have to do is show one authentic miracle of God and verified and that’s why it was such wisdom on God’s part to give us this television show. Because I know that we are at the time in history in which God is removing the scales off of Jewish people. And we’re making some inroads in secular television right now…