SID: Okay. Now the earth according to many scientists is billions of years old. We have scientific inventions that help us date how old the earth is. What do you say about the book called the Bible that says the earth is a little over 6000 years old?
BRUCE: Well, what you’re not hearing about, Sid, is that the vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation. But to explain life without God you’ve got to have enormous periods of time. So they only pick the methods that seem to indicate, well maybe there has been a lot of time. Let me just explain one, radio-carbon dating. Everybody has heard about that. And I’ll show you why it really supports a recent creation. All of our bodies are made of carbon. A certain amount disappears every so often. So as soon as you die it starts disappearing. Say the carbon in your body is represented by this sheet of paper. After so many years, half of it disappears. After so many more years another half disappears. So many more years, half disappears and then half more disappears, and a half more disappears. We can measure how fast that happens today. You see what’s happening? You get less and less, and les,s until eventually you don’t even have a single molecule of the paper left. So scientists measure how much something has died, they dig it up out of the ground, they measure how much radio-carbon is left and they calculate, well then it must have been alive thousands of years ago because there’s hardly any left. This is what you’re not told. This is what students aren’t told. We can dig up dinosaur bones or coal that was supposedly buried hundreds of millions of years ago. There shouldn’t be a single atom of radio-carbon left. Just like you can’t keep dividing the paper over and over again. And yet, we find like this much radio-carbon left in those things. It says those dinosaur bones, those coal seams couldn’t possibly be as old as we’re told because there’s enormous amounts of this radio-carbon left in them.
SID: So could it be what the Bible says, a little over 6000 years old?
BRUCE: See, that’s what I explain to people when I go out and I teach in churches and in schools, the vast majority of the evidence indicates those things are very young exactly as the Bible indicates.
SID: Okay. Another subject. Is there any proof that a creature has turned into another creature or the whole evolutionary cycle?
BRUCE: There is absolutely no proof for that. What you get is variations within a kind of creature. It’s like, you look at all the different kind of dogs we have. We have Chihuahuas and we have Great Danes. But they all came from the information God put within the first wolf type creature. And then you get lots of variation. But a dog has never turned into a cow, and it’s never been shown how it could happen. Now what evolutionists will do is line things up as you see in museums and in textbooks.
SID: Speaking of lining things up, the American Museum of Natural History has an exhibition of horses. Tell me about that, how it lines things up.
BRUCE: It’s a classic example. You see it in the textbooks and the museums. They’ll line up creatures that have three toes and then creatures that have two toes, and the creatures that have a single hoof, it would be a small creature and then a medium size creature, and then a big creature, you see that proves the horse evolved from a different creature. Once again, remember you’re not being told the whole story. We have since then, [after it] became very popularly shown, all those creatures have been found in the same layer of rocks. So how could one turn into another?
SID: But wait. Now you’re talking science to me. You’re talking scientific fact. That blows that exhibit out of the water.
BRUCE: Blows it out of the water.
SID: Why is it still there?
BRUCE: Because you’ve got to try to pretend that it happened so they’ll leave it there.
SID: Why do you have to pretend?
BRUCE: Because the only alternative is that God made horses. One moment there wasn’t a horse, the next moment there was. We have lots of variety. Some of these horses have since gone extinct. But they were simply horses with lots of variety, just like we have dogs with lots of variety.
SID: All right. But what about we hear from time to time —these missing links, these half, these apes that really look like they’re almost human?
BRUCE: It’s storytelling, Sid.
SID: How come they find bones? They find bones.
BRUCE: I could find a tricycle and a bicycle, and a motorcycle, and a car buried in the ground, and I can line them up and say, see, that proves that that tricycle turned into that automobile all by itself. That’s the same thing with the bones. That’s how you can think about them. It’s a story to try to explain things as if God hasn’t done it. It’s just bones that are lined up. Doesn’t mean one is turned into another.
SID: As a scientist, I want you to help me. Now this is what doesn’t make sense to me. They say, you know, a monkey became an ape, became a human. This is taught as science. So therefore, if that is true, why aren’t there some half-apes and half-men walking around?
BRUCE: Because half of something doesn’t work. A half of a feather can’t fly. You can’t have a reptile scale fraying and turning into a feather and have both animals be useful in some way. It just wouldn’t work.
SID: Tell me about the bees and the pollination of flowers.
BRUCE: Well remember, if you’re not going to believe God created different kind of creatures, you got to believe that something turned into something else, that turned into something else, and something else. So they’ll line them up like the tricycle of a car, except they do it with bones. They find flowers and plants in different rock layers, and they give them certain ages. They pick a dating method that supports their belief system. They believe flowering plants developed about a hundred million years ago. It’s a fictitious time. It isn’t true. But they find other animals like bees that didn’t appear until 20, 30 million years later. How could have plants been pollinated and surviving for 30 million years when there’s nothing around to pollenate them? It doesn’t make sense. It’s one of the many problems with evolution that’s just not shown as students.
SID: I don’t know why, but I have to tell you, your story about the frogs in Africa blow me out of the water.
BRUCE: Well there’s just, God created things to wake us up, so we know He did it. There’s a certain kind of frog, and it’s actually in South America, where it lays its eggs and then it swallows the eggs. So then it shuts down its stomach acid. The frog goes—
SID: How do you stop your stomach acid?
BRUCE: Good question. How do you do that? Evolution cannot explain this. How could a creature learn to do this? Then the frog goes through its whole development where it loses its tail. It becomes a tadpole, grows arms and legs, turns into little baby frogs. About six weeks later, the mother opens its mouth and fully-grown little frogs crawl out of its stomach. It turned its stomach into a nursery to nurture its young and protect them.
SID: This begs the question, how does a frog know not to eat the babies as they’re coming out?
BRUCE: See, creation is not non-scientific. It means the frog was made with those abilities. It was given those instincts so that we would be astounded at the creativity of God. And that’s the purpose. All the variety of life is so that we would be drawn to the maker who made it all. And yet, we pretend it all made itself.
SID: But why didn’t you see this as a scientist that said God was irrelevant? Why didn’t you see these things?
BRUCE: Because if you take young children, and from when they’re small children, watching shows about dinosaurs that pour into them this idea of billions of years have always been around, and then line up things and pretend that it all made itself, and it’s all they ever hear, we become blinded to any other possibility. That’s what’s so dangerous about our American education. It’s become indoctrination.
SID: Okay. How about the Grand Canyon. I know that took millions of years to develop. I want to see his answer when we come back.