Sid: Dead people coming back to life? Orphaned children, gang leaders being caught up into the heavenlies having experiences with the Lord. Coming back and then preaching gospel. Miracles: people with cancer being healed, every miracle imaginable, revival in one of the most down and out places on the face of this earth. Thousands… one couple is ministering to thousands of orphans. In the last few years has started over 3000 churches moving in extraordinary power. I have them on the telephone Heidi and Rolland Baker. Their ministry is predominantly in Mozambique, Africa. I must ask you this question Rolland. You have a wife that has been so touched by God’s Spirit that as she said she’s literally totally dead to self, lives just for God, but what is it like… I mean she gets pinned to the floor for days at a time, you’d have to carry her away because she’s under the presence of God. You know Mishpochah if there wasn’t fruit we’d say “So what!” but there is fruit. Look at all of these thousands of orphans and churches that are starting all over Africa. What’s it like being married to a woman that is, actually is it fair Rolland to say she’s almost more in heaven than in earth many times?
Rolland: Well it’s true she says she’s… the hardest thing in her life is to remain here on earth with us. I have to say “Heidi you know we have a family here we’d like you to be around.”
Sid: Isn’t that exactly what Paul said “I’d rather be in heaven but for your sake I’ll stay here?”
Rolland: That’s right. We understand that, we’re so split because we’d rather be there with Him which is so much better, but on the other hand this is our only chance to bear fruit through our faith, and through our good fight of faith and the race that we have to win to beat the devil while we have a chance while the day is still here and we can still work. We’re not going to be able to do this kind of work and glorify God like and express our love and trust in Him later, this is our only chance.
Sid: Very briefly I want to know a little bit more about you. You were involved in revival in England then… you were the first one that went to the Toronto Airport Church and were touched by God. Briefly tell about both of those experiences.
Rolland: Well we’ve begun to work with the poor more and more. When we first started off in Asia we began as a dance drama team we were both creative types. She was a dancer I was a photographer and writer and we put together productions. But we began to go to more and more poor areas like remote sugar plantations in the Philippines, the islands of Indonesia and so forth. It got harder and harder to preach to starving hungry people and then just say goodbye. To a little one coming to our meetings on Sunday morning coughing, tuberculosis, and spitting up blood, children wondering the streets carrying their little baby brothers and not knowing where to go and what to do sobbing their eyes out in the rain. We realized the gospel isn’t the gospel unless it’s a practical benefit of starting now because that’s what love is. So we began to slow down more and more and began to work actually with street sleepers in the back alleys of Hong Kong, but Hong Kong was still a rich city per capita. Literally hotels around the corner wherever you go, there’s babies in the streets and rich people everywhere. We knew there were much poorer places that would be a test of the gospel. I wanted to imitate my grandfather who imitated Jesus by being a good shepherd because he was going out looking for lost sheep in very remote areas. So we researched poor countries even in Hong Kong we began hearing about the war in Mozambique and how the rebels were blowing up the Red Cross trucks and how many thousands of children were losing limbs to land mines innocent children. In the meantime we went to England for our PhD’s but we still wanted to work with the poor. So even while we were studying we started a church for street sleepers. Down in the financial district of the stratum under the bridge and along the Tam we find out gallies and put down with the poor and spend enough time to become their friends and learn how to minister to the poor. They began to touched by the Holy Spirit pretty soon we had a church that we called “Believer’s Center.” Like we named our church in Hong Kong. We had a beautiful family where homeless people would walk for hours through the night to come to it, it became our family. Christmas, and holidays, and weddings and all, all our homeless people would come together and we began to taste what the kingdom of God was all about. Pretty soon students and lawyers and other people began to join the mix it was a cross-section of the body of Christ it was beautiful and we loved it. But when we were done with our PhD’s we, at least in England, we wanted to get to Mozambique and we tried to get there for a long time the doors were closed because it was at war. The communist were in power, it was dangerous we thought about going to neighboring countries like Tanzania to get close. Then finally in ’95 there was a cease fire that calmed down enough for a visit and I came again in ’95 and after I was there only 2 days a man approached me and said “Would you like an orphanage?”
Rolland: That was my dream to continue as Heidi said earlier to see a continuation of my grandfather’s revival among orphaned children. We just felt like doing exactly what Matthew 25 said just simply starting at the lowest simplest level and just passing out a cup of cold water and finding the next orphaned child that was on the street and going from there. Well we got offered this orphanage as soon as I arrived and the reason we were offered it is that no one else could pay for it, nobody else wanted to fund it, foreign governments didn’t want to handle it, big churches in South Africa didn’t want to deal with it, it was completely vandalized and stripped. Children were living like animals, and nobody had any funds for it, the government didn’t have a penny for it, the directors were extremely corrupt and wicked. We put in a proposal we said “You let us use the land we’ll take care of the orphans, well educate them we’ll teach them spirituality. We just want to help your country.” They didn’t have any idea what we meant by all that but it was a start. We didn’t have any money for that either but we just loved to see the gospel tested. We just loved loved to see the glory of God among the hurting, the poor, and the lonely because that’s where His glory shines. I was just thrilled to have this impossible opportunity and Heidi felt exactly the same way and we just went to Mozambique and within a matter of months these children at this place were filled with the spirit and saved and up all night praying for their daily food, and food was coming miraculously…
Sid: Did you… you have seen food multiplied tell me about that.
Rolland: Well the first time was when the communist… there was a faction in the city government that really had resented us because they were used to embezzling money and getting money out of foreign sources. We were taking charge of the food supply and they really resented how we had interfered in their operation. So they fought it for a long time, they evicted us from that property and they finally succeeded and we were given 48 hours to get out. By that time we had over 300 children and had put hundreds of thousands of dollars into the orphanage and they evicted us and through us right out on the street and we had absolutely no where to go and the children didn’t want to stay because they would rather stay with us under a tree, out on the field, on the beach and be able to worship God than stay there where they were beaten and refused any kind of help. So they left with us, they just literally marched down the highway on their barefoot and walked all the way to town where we had a small flat and an office and no facility whatsoever for that kind of crowd. All of sudden we were inundated with children and they were all over, all over our driveway, all over our… in our house up and down the hallways. We were hosing off children in the bathtub, urine flowing everywhere it was… we just didn’t know where to stack all the kids. They had no food… it was just absurd. We had some friends at the U.S. Embassy that took pity on us they were still concerned for Heidi, me, and our 2 children and how we were maintaining under those circumstances so they brought over a small bowl of chili just to be nice, chili rice just for us you know. They just wanted to help us get through this and they came over with this small bowl just for the 4 of us and Heidi looked at that said “Wow! We have a very big family” (laughing).
Rolland: “This is not going to be enough for us all.” The lady she was just mortified and she said “Oh no don’t try to stretch it. Don’t do this.” Heidi said “Well we’re just going to pray” and she prayed and there was enough for all the children who were with us, which at the time we were somewhere almost a 100 children, and that was the first time.
Sid: That must be an overpowering thing to see enough food for 1 or 2 people multiply for hundreds.
Rolland: Well it was but it’s amazing how the Holy Spirit so overshadows things that it keeps your flesh from freaking out and just being dazzled. Somehow you’re in another world, you’re in another place, you’re in another dimension and the Holy Spirit just keeps your flesh from exploding over the whole thing. It’s almost like there’s a holy hush until later the full significance of what you saw and what happened sinks in and you’re able to deal with it.
Sid: Very briefly, what happened when you went to Toronto the first time?
Rolland: I had been deeply involved theologically with the whole issue where the spirit very much concerned me how this business of staying close to the Lord and by means being in His word and understanding well had to do with receiving ecstatic experiences where you’re just transported into other dimensions with all kinds of emotions and without much understanding. How do we bring these 2 worlds together and how do they relate? So I came in with a lot of intellectual questions and I was under a lot of pressure from the university to finish my PhD and I was under a lot of stress and that was my agenda. I tried to push all of that aside just to partake of the Holy Spirit and all that was going on. I wasn’t really prepared for the avalanche of love that hit me it was like a Niagara Falls outpouring of God’s love for me personally. It was what I had dreamed of all my life that I would feel the love of God like that. The result for me was that I was just burning up with repentance, I was just in an intense state of repentance day after day after day…
Sid: Rolland I’m sorry we’re out of time. On tomorrow’s broadcast we’ll have Heidi back and she’s going to pray for miracles and a transfer of anointing.